Posted by psgels on 29 September 2011 with categories: Anime Reviews, Blood-C

Blood-C is a very difficult series to recommend. The thing is that this is one series where if you like it, you’ll like it a lot. However, if you dislike it, you’ll grow a deep seated hate against the main cast of this show. I belong in the camp of the former (hence the high rating for this review), but I do want to give out a warning, because this is a rather hard series to get into.

For starters, at heart Blood-C is a mystery horror series, with a high emphasis on building up and atmosphere. It has the building up pacing of a Bee-Train series, but differs completely in the characterization department. What this means in practice is that the entire first half will be spent on nothing but very mundane daily life, intermixed with various battles and action scenes, with very few hints towards the overall storyline. The characters all are very mundane and by far the weirdest part is that this show for a long period of time hardly ever tries to give them some depth. Instead, they’re just like the random people you might run into in a class room or on the street. Oh, and the characters have strange tendencies to make weird decisions at times.

Now, I refuse to spoil the exact how and why of things, but the second half is where this series really shines, and slowly begins to uncover its mysteries. Its plot is so constructed that as a viewer, you can be able to figure out what’s going on by yourself, but even then the final episodes in which everything is revealed pack a great punch and justify a lot of the weird things that happened throughout the series. If, at least, they didn’t get on your nerves too much. The thing is, that that is very easy, and as soon as this series loses your suspense of disbelief with it (which is rather easy with annoying characters), the atmosphere also stops being captivating, and you’ll be even more bored.

It does remain a wonderful atmosphere though. The creators make excellent use of the soundtrack handed to them, and the storytelling combines gory horror together with classical Japanese horror, which tries to capture its viewer through its slow storytelling. Especially the juxtaposition between the very mundane slice of life and the intense fights creates a wonderful tension that can be cut with a knife as the series goes on.

Also, the action scenes. Blood-C really sets itself apart through these things, and they are absolutely brutal and really well choreographed. Instead of the usual shortcuts, Saya is fully animated as she struggles with all sorts of blood thirsty monsters who make it a huge challenge to be actually beaten. The animation in the first number of episodes in particular is just absolutely wonderful, but even in the latter episodes as the budget dies down, the creators still aim to tell as much as possible through the action scenes with as much life-like animation as possible. The gore also is gore on a completely different level in this scene. It absolutely spares nobody. Usually when people die, the camera conveniently focuses on a different shot. Not here: here we can see all of details. Or at least, in the DVD versions we will.

There are a few acting problems here and there, and in particular the characterization has some major flaws in not trying hard enough to flesh out the cast, but overall I really liked this show for what it accomplished, and for the huge risks it took. This really isn’t for everyone. If you find yourself not able to get into the atmosphere because of the characters, then it’s very likely that you’re not going to enjoy this series. If you do however, you’re in for one heck of an intense ride.

Storytelling: 8/10 – Hard to get into, but excellent atmosphere, excellent sense of mystery and build-up and great plot twists.
Characters: 8/10 – Leaves things to be desired in the characterization department, but nevertheless an enjoyable cast that especially gets interesting near the end.
Production-Values: 9/10 – Absolutely wonderful animation and action scenes. Production IG really are un-matched when it comes to hand to hand combat.
Setting: 9/10 – A great concept, great ideas behind the whole story, and it’s great to see how many risks this show takes for the sake of its plot.


31 Responses

  1. Firechick says:

    Whoa! This is 12 episodes?! I thought it was gonna be 26!

  2. Rex says:

    I really hope they tie it in with the previous entires in the series, the first movie and maybe blood+. Though this seems to head more towards the first movie as its base story, the whole working for the american/japanese government. That story wasnt in blood+.

  3. pacifikix says:

    You’ve definitely got me curious now! Going to have to check this out. Nice review.

  4. brianwuzhere says:

    @Firechick, lol if this was 26 episodes…paced as slow as it was, a lot of people would’ve dropped this show a long time ago. That said, I’m one of the few who actually liked it, especially the finale.

  5. Kim says:

    I haven’t seen this so I have no opinions of my own.

    But your review is the first positive one I saw for this show. Everyone else seems really disappointing. But it’s interesting to read a counter opinion.

  6. Darth_Malleus says:

    I’m one of those people who were, I’ll admit it, horrified by the death and gore of this story. I consider that I can take a level of violence, but this was several levels past my limit. The plot almost had me bored out of my skin, then the second half kicked off. I was taken in by the disbelief but stayed for the plot twists and the WTF moments. That was what made this story unique, I beleive.

  7. Joojoobees says:

    “with very few hints towards the overall storyline”

    I think this is the remarkable thing about Blood-C: the storyline IS the mystery. That might sound dumb to those who haven’t watched it, but this show is unusual. Even in a mystery you know WHAT the mystery is, you know whether you are looking for the murderer, or the antidote for the poison, or whatever. In Blood-C the mystery is itself a mystery. You are forced to look for clues (and they are there), but you aren’t told what the mystery is, and this left some viewers to dismiss the series as having nothing going on. There is a mystery, but it is being kept a secret from you.

    I was very impressed, and this has me psyched up to watch the movie as well.

  8. lubu says:

    Pretty sure I posted on here after the third or fourth episode that I was frustrated with the series. I did end up completing it, although it’s left a sour taste in my mouth.

    I felt like the logic for the antagonists goal was very, very weak. I won’t post spoilers, but when you get to the exposition, you’ll know what I’m talking about.

    Amazingly good action sequences though. I just feel like the pacing was poor, the mystery wasn’t one. This series was one director away from greatness.

  9. lubu says:

    Pretty sure I posted on here after the third or fourth episode that I was frustrated with the series. I did end up completing it, although it’s left a sour taste in my mouth.

    I felt like the logic for the antagonists goal was very, very weak. I won’t post spoilers, but when you get to the exposition, you’ll know what I’m talking about.

    Amazingly good action sequences though. I just feel like the pacing was poor, the mystery wasn’t one. This series was one director away from greatness.

  10. Snowolf says:

    You all know how much I loved this show. Probably makes it way to my top 25 favorites of all time.

    Thanks so much for blogging and loving it psgels, when most folks couldn’t. It’s been a pleasure! :) (Personally I would have given it between a 87-92 out of 100 but then again, my ratings have never strayed far from yours, so.)

  11. Gell says:

    OH YEAH man this series is beyond awesome!
    So elegant an exploration of so many themes, like moe slice of life shows, for one, and and, so so many things. I mean, people dislike this because of ADD every episode was ultra moody and the violence is so cathartic and i´s just so karmic and tragic and terrifying. The idea of finding-losing yourself within a narrative, within a history, the dynamics of power in this world (with the powerfull lines spoken by the elder bairns during the series)
    The sort of incestious tension between Saya and her “father” resulting in one of the most violent and powerful animated duels in recent memory…
    It really reminds me of twin peaks, it´s particularily beautiful how they integrated the coffee-guimauve consumption lol.
    Saya, like Odin, has to lose an eye to gain greater awareness (althought she should be able to regenerate it I mean, she lost half her head-brains!)
    Anyway, as always, Japan keep the cool coming, fuck the haters, do it for the love of it, as always, godspeed.


  12. Obsidian says:

    First @gell dude chill man there are good reason why people had hated the anime initially.

    Now me and psgels agree here — this series had a phenomenal ending and I mean extremely cool.

    Most of the characters weren’t the same but I think most of us kinda expected that.
    The second part of this series was extremely good and yeah some of the deaths even made me cringe but was excellently handled.

    Overall, this series gets a 3.5/5 for me for having a good storyline and action at the end.

  13. Gell says:

    just think about it this way: How many shows with this structure-content-themes do you know of?
    There will always be another moe sliceoflife thing or shounen adventure. And that´s great but jewels like this come only once a year at the most.
    I remember being really intrigued by sequences like int the first episode, when Saya sings while going to school. It just feels so fucking ominous, I don´t know, as I said, you just don´t see things like this all the time. If you think about it the show is super deep, super deep. Like, meta stuff. It´s always the case with stories where people put on an act, as in, the end of the show being the end of the lie (there was a similar thing in eva 2.22 with shinji at the end, as an avatar of the director, transcends (or at leasts tries to) the narrative that is evangelion (evangelion the series as well as the world inside the series)
    Authors have been trying to incorporate this meta-level into everything now because we, as postmodern consumers feel pretty claustrophobic “normal” stories. Among the many “stories about stories” in anime recently blood-c is one of the most potent.

    What more could one ask for?

  14. MAruu says:

    huhu why it has only 12epi? anyways its really good anime :)

  15. Lloyd says:

    I honestly do not think I could be more excited about an anime movie than I am about this one.

    And I loved Steins;gate.

  16. Mormegil says:

    Kubo wrote the plot to this anime. That’s the only explanation. TROLOLOLOLOLOL sums everything up perfectly.

    I laughed throughout the entire show. Really.

  17. Whisperer says:

    I loved Shiki and Gilgamesh. They are shows I’d watch again if I had the time. Maybe I’ll just watch this Kurozuka thing instead.

    As for Blood-C, not really willing to see if the s**tstorm is warranted. Never did like the Blood franchise, and Clamp ruins every good premise with its preference for (looooong limbs and) crossovers.

  18. Bree says:

    @Gell “How many shows with this structure-content-themes do you know of?”

    Madoka comes to mind.

  19. Nic says:

    Wow! Seriously, you recommend Shiki next to this freaking trainwreck? I honestly don’t understand what you see in this show, especially when you’ve openly criticized other shows that were remarkably similar in their lack of coherent writing.

    I mean, I watched this series for one reason alone: The fights. They fight sequences were incredible and quite intense. And that’s what sold that series to me. Everything else was a complete failure.

    The root of the problem is that those characters are as bland as a cardboard box and we’re supposed to care for them somehow. Any series with such boring characters and whose “subtle hints” are so subtle you could guess the big twist after 4-5 episodes is bound to end up in failure. Anyone who didn’t realize it by then is flat out daft.

    They dragged the show with bland characters and the brutality wore off at the half-way point for me because quite frankly, I didn’t care anymore. It was violence to the point of being masturbatory, completely gratuitous. Fight-slaughter-rinse-repeat for 12 episodes. And then it dropped 90% of the story development in the last 2 episodes. The mark of shabby writing.

    Let me be blunt, I consider this a 6/10 series but if it wasn’t for its technical prowess with the fights, this would go as low as 3/10 for me. A complete disaster from beginning to end. I just can’t see how anyone can take that story seriously considering its godawful execution.

    Even the last episode, which was probably the best, added a bunch of pointless brutal violence when you’ve been desensitized to it 6 episodes ago. They used slaughter to fill the void that its boring story couldn’t fill.

    And yet, I somehow want to see that movie to see her revenge because her character seems slightly more interesting and I don’t want to have watched 12 episodes of this crap without having seen the ending. Whoever directed the show ought to be fired.

    • braintree says:

      Apologies for replying to such an old comment, but I’d recently gotten around to watching this show and wanted to see what psgels thought of it.

      I’ll start by saying that I disagree with pretty much everything you’ve said about the series, but tastes differ, so hey. I wanted to ask, though, about your thoughts on the foreshadowing.

      …”subtle hints” are so subtle you could guess the big twist after 4-5 episodes…Anyone who didn’t realize it by then is flat out daft.”

      I was wondering which part of the ‘big twist’ you were referring to, (or perhaps even all of it?) As for myself, the chain of events starting at the end of episode ten completely caught me off guard, throwing everything I’d thought about the series for a loop. Now, I don’t mind it if I’m considered daft by your standards, but I’m very much curious as to what gave everything away so quickly for you.

      I mean, in episode two, I thought that the ‘thing guimauve tastes/feels like’ was likely flesh or blood, since Saya’s inhumanity was fairly obvious. A few episodes later, I guessed that the blood was her father’s, and maybe that’d go partway to explaining why she seems to adore him a little excessively. Did I have any idea that her dad was a monster, or that Saya couldn’t drink human blood? Not a clue.

      Same with the ‘uncanniness’ of the town. Around episode four, I started to wonder why people weren’t more freaked out about the disappearances, and why there was only one of everything. When I watched five, I assumed the town had made some ancient pact with the monsters, like a secret lottery to determine who’d be sent out and be eaten. The whole thing about ‘breaking the covenant’ and ‘Shrovetide’? I assumed that for whatever reason, Tadayoshi and Fumito were the only adults in town who were still hostile to the idea of letting people die and were using Saya (a vampire they’d somehow defeated and ‘sealed’ into that oft-mentionned ‘promise’) to try and fight back against the status quo. That and maybe a dozen other theories flashed through my head during the two days it took me to finish Blood-C, but when the big reveal actually came, I was shocked.

      When Fumito declared that the entire town is made up of actors and/or people recruited to live there? And that he gave some people charms that somehow kept them alive despite being turned into paste*? Blew my mind.

      So…I’m not sure how flippant I may sound, but I’d honestly like to go back sometime and see what kind of hints there were about all of those things. I’m not exactly the most observant person, and it’d probably help me a hell of a lot to understand as a whole just what went on.

      *I will admit, that part was ridiculous. All but one of the ‘main cast’ who ‘came back from the dead’ had been turned to near pulp right in front of our eyes, and then they’re suddenly strolling around unhurt? At first I thought, maybe the twins and such aren’t human (hence that one odd sequence where it seems like Nene’s purposefully using her shadow to massacre the entire shopping district), but when the ‘main cast’ didn’t have their charms and died from equal/lesser mutilation, I did raise an eyebrow.

  20. Obsidian says:

    @ Gell inspired me with the postmodernist mention though gratuitous gore doesn’t always play well.

    The show’s movie seems promosing

  21. KittiChan1 says:

    I have to say this serie is by far the bloodiest of all anime I’ve seen. There were way too many death though it was understandable. It was still kinda hard too watch. Sometimes I was about to throw up and sometimes I couldn’t take my eyes off the screen. The ending wasn’t really sastisfying. But I gonna watch the movie anyway, so I can expect at least some answers. The future is gonna be red “bloody red”^^. When’s the movie coming out again?

  22. Anca says:

    I don’t think you need suspension of disbelief to watch this; maybe a hint of lack of cynicism about series… I found it pretty obvious right from the start that the town was Not Right. My first thought when I saw Saya’s classmates was ‘Those twins are creepy’, ‘There’s no way that girl is in highschool’ and ‘what is up with those blood colored uniforms?’. And those pink cakes – my thought was ‘that’s made with blood’ but I still felt sick when it turned out to be worse. And Saya… I was waiting for some big reveal. And the series didn’t disappoint.

    I’ve read a lot of CLAMP series, and this was perfectly in line, though I think it was grimdarkest since Tokyo Babylon.

  23. Gintoki says:

    YES. I finally had the time to marathon the remaining 7 episodes!
    The last 2 episodes were brilliant, and totally made the earlier episodes make a lot more sense(they felt two-dimensional because it was all an act- they wanted to keep Saya in a perfect and happy world after all. Otherwise though, the first 10 episodes were kind of a chore to sit through. Actually, I think they could have cut this series in half and add more post-“idyllic world” plot. I pretty much tolerated it all just to get to the magnificent ending, although I do have to admit there was one more highlight to the series other than the conclusion:the gore. The bloody action scenes were both gruesome and thrilling to watch. If it wasnt for those scenes I would’ve dropped this series without a second thought, and I;m not such a big fan of gore either…unless its done well. :)
    Also, is anyone hoping that Watanuki’s going to make an appearance? I’m REAAALLY hoping he’s the dog even though I’m sick of CLAMP crossovers…
    Also, about the flimsy and improbable reason to the antagonist’s actions: If he’s got the resources and money to burn, why not? When your an evil genius, you don’t really have to care about the implications I guess. He gets to do whatever he wants because he CAN.

    @Mormegil:HAHAHAHA…yeah, Kubo goes by another name during his free time: CLAMP. DUH. I shoud’ve known.After all, they are both the masters of trolling(darn it,the ending of TRC and xxxHoliiiiicccc!!)

  24. Gintoki says:

    Sorry, I meant does anyone one hope Watanuki is going to make an appearance in the MOVIE. :)
    *I meant you’re not your argh.
    **Forgive me for saying also twice. Thats just bad writing. Sometimes I wish I could just reedit my posts.

  25. AG3333 says:

    Checked out the start if this series (I plan to watch it soon)
    I think most of the negative reviews comes from the fact that this Blood is very different from the previous Blood adaptations.

    I’m guessing this series might have rated higher if it was called something else.

  26. Will says:

    And what do you know, I actually came to love the series for its awkwardness and plain story line (blood bath).

  27. braintree says:

    Honestly? I loved this series. Would probably give it more of an 85-87, and I can’t wait for the film to come out.

  28. ncky says:

    Thank you for writing a review about this series, it was an awesome ride!! This is really the reason why I watch anime!

    Blood-C reminds me of the horror movie ‘Cabin in the woods’! Nothing seems like it is and also all that blood and gore.. I’m curious about the Blood-C movie, gonna watch it asap!

  29. Arno says:

    The interesting part was the slow unraveling mystery. The less, much less interesting part was the totally ridiculous monsters.

    The gore part was intense, certainly, but you could also suspect that this is the kind of thing you add when you know there is not much in your story.

  30. Dissapointment says:

    the best part of the anime to me probably the last episode , but the rest really are not so interesting to me , 1-10 episode just like a repetitive side-quest with a little bit differences there , what i only care about is the dog , her pop and one of her classmate i have forgotten his name already , their death scenes are something and the rest just sucks , where is the promising mysteries i can’t find it even after i watched the movie of this anime , the story is just too shallow where 0 mystery found unlike the pandora hearts ._.

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@Mario, starting to think I didn't need my help after all. I hope they make something worthwhile.
On a unrelated note the Dark Souls 3 DLC boss is serious bullshit.
Hey Aidan, thqt Kickstarter project Mecha-ude has passed its goal (nearly double now with 10 more days to go). Seems like people getting real hype for it
Wonder if Bam has played the new Dark Souls DLC. Found it rather lacking when compared to previous DLC from the last games.
@Anon, it's just a video of a still image of anime girls in bikini's with a red circle around one of their chests. Seeing as this thing has no views or subscribers my guess is someones is fishing for views. To which i say...what really is the point of making videos if this is the only way you can get people to watch them?
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I"] hate this crap that they corrupt anime with (crappy video that insults anime)
So RWBY's back. I actually miss the whole RWBY team. Still prefer Ruby's old custom more. Nora looks cool.
With the fourth episode, Vivid Strike seems to have crossed an invisible line that makes it more like the original Nanoha shows rather than Vivid. The kind of brutal beatdown delivered by the co-protagonist and the build up to it is something quite alien to a normal SoL/Sports anime show.
Ep. 4 of Tiger Mask was a lot better than the last 3, quite a hyped fight that was a full 6mins long. Will continue watching in hope of an awesomely long final fight.
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Going back to the fanservice topic, its very easy to complain about it in anything but then something actually comes along that actually does it for you. I mean I always say that I don't watch a show/movie for its fanservice elements and stick with pictures on image boards, but then I ended up seeing a film where I actually got something out of the fanservice while watching the film its.
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The oujia prequel was competent genre fare, the director cared about the characters and every now and the built up a decent mood. Although jump Scares are there . And I always appreciate a horror film having a mean spirited ending. One of the rare cases where the young actors do well in a horror film. The pace is a bit uneven, rushed and a bit laggy .
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In the sense of how messed up/especially bleak those two episodes were.
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There was the sense too with both those episodes of "Jesus...I wasn't ready for that...."
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Though the first episode of the first season and the third episode of season 3 are very hard to beat. Adding to what I thought of s3 ep3 I felt that one hit me on the same level as s1 ep1 did so.
Though in previous seasons I generally only really liked 2 out of the 3.
@Kaiser, though the previous seasons where only 3 episodes long and you enjoyed 3 out of 6 in this season. So yo essentially get the same amount of enjoyment as previous seasons.
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Based on my comments, it looks like I had a mixed reaction to the third season. Three out of six, but the great was was great and forgives it but I still feel that there was more of a consistentancy in quality in the other seasons. I enjoyed every story in seasons 1 and 2.
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The final episode felt like a movie all on its own, I'd have gladly watched another thirty minutes of it, ending was a nice punch in the gut.
Just finished black mirror season 3. I hear people basically complaining that it's not as strong as the previous two season but I disagree. I really enjoyed this and this is a show that deserves much more episodes. Personal favorite is between shut up and dance and hated in the nation. Worst I thought was San Junipero. Overall thought each episode was interesting.
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On the upside I loved black mirrors fifth episode, I'm a sucker for war/action-dramas and I particularly liked the tech in this one.
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Yeah this is impossible for me to sit through, the romance part is also rather dull.
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Eh, this fourth episode is plodding and trite, feels like a bad, poorly dated 90s film.
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@Aidan: Third episode also instilled a great sense of paranoia.
@Kaiser: thanks for that mate. I have too much to say for Flipflappers but to put them all in coherent flow is goddamn hard. And like I said I still fell I left many details out: that gung-ho potato or Yayaka and the twins
@Friend: jugding from the last convention I went to, people loved Re:Zero customs (Emilia and Rem, Ram were highlights. Or you could try RWBY characters (I for once love to see someone cosplay Pirrha Nikos or Velvet Scarlatina)
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@Aidan: Didn't care much for new black mirrors second episode, then again I'm not really the target for that story. The third episode while a bit heavyhanded and predictable was suspenseful, nasty/mean and I liked that about it, did in 50 minutes what some thrillers fail to achieve in two hours.
Holo is a good one :0
Materials aren't a problem at all for the most part, except for anything too crazy like working in brass. I'd prefer it to be characters I'm familiar with.
Does it matter to you that they're from shows that you like, or are you just in it for the challenge?
@Friend Aidan has some good ones there. I'd also give the cast of Akame ga Kiru a shot, I don't like the series but it has a lot of neat character designs.
I was thinking simple as I didn't know what kind of materials you got on hand. I was also thinking of Holo from spice and wolf or Kino from Kinos journey either.
Mm, Tatsumaki might be not challenging enough to design for. Doesn't Shiki simply wear either a coat or Japanese kimono? I do work in set design and not in character prop design, but I'd love to try something that would let me reasonably challenge myself.
@Friend, Spit balling here but Tatsumaki from One Punch Man? I know the costume for that one would be simple enough. Or maybe Shiki from Kara No Kyoukai?
*I don't want to do anything too complex for my first try, but I also don't want to do anything boring. Boring would be a character like Rukia or Celty. Any ideas?
I remember talking about this with Emma/Kaiser before, but has anyone here gone cosplaying at an expo before? I thought it would be neat to try designing my own costume and try something else beside drawing on a computer.
@Kaiser, I am up to episode 4. 3 has been the best one so far.Though in all these episodes I pretty much figured out the twist from the get go. Still this shows always tends to get you thinking.
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I think the roles/identity thing with flipflappers, at least with the protaganist does fit in well with adolescence.
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@Aidan: I've only seen the first episode so far. I felt the acting was intentional and reflected the satire Brooker was going for on the shallow nature of society. Bleak as ever but gloriously grotesque.
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@Mario:Good in depth reviewing there Mario of flipflappers episode three.
Good god this first episode of black mirror is hard to watch. I know exactly how it's going to turn out but it's just so damn painful to watch.
Well, tbh up to where I've seen there's not much explicit yaoi in yuri on ice, only a lot of fujoshi fuel.
@Kaiser. thanks for the torrent. Gonna blaze through this today.
@Topgavin, as someone who watches a metric ton of anime I am rather surprised at that estimate that 90% of it contains Yuri.
My god those gay scenes in Yuri on Ice are hard to watch for me. Wonder if this is how it feels to be a girl watching 90% of normal anime nowadays.
okay, Flip Flappers episodic review was up. This is my lengthiest weekly review so far and I still feel I missed a lot of points. Damn you Flip Flappers
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You have seen the light, not needing to know everything thats happening to enjoy something ^_^
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I've given some consideration to reviewing that oujia film followup.
Whether you see one or the other is entirely up to your preferences, so it makes no difference to me which is worse. I have gotten very tired of generic character types, but again that's just because of the things I decide to regularly follow.
I will say if it must come down to either unnatural dialogue or unnatural character types, at leas the character type is speaking their own words and not the words of the script writer.
Or was that a black and white fallacy? Maybe it was a little of both.
@Realjustified, K-Off wasn't agreeing with me. That's a Moving the Goal Posts logical Fallacy but well I will answer regardless. Honestly it's preferable to have neither. The big mistake you are making here is that you are putting down a condiction that a show must have one or the other. But both cartoons and anime can have both. I just think it's a lot more prominent in cartoons than anime.
Like, having read hundreds of harem manga over the years, a majority of the ultimate love interest always happens to be the first girl the protagonist meets.
Wait wait wait wait. Aidan and K-Off. I get that dialogue in cartoon can seem like it was written by a script writer, but at the same time, lots of anime have characters whose sole purpose is entirely scripted. The whole spectrum of "deres" and everything. What do you think is worse? Unnatural dialogue, or unnatural character types?
You guys should really go fuck yourself, it's a solution and it's nothing short of great!
You guys should really watch the first 4 episodes of Bungo, it's a prequel and it was nothing short of great!
omg!! I just realized To be Hero was one of the show that I reviewed its 1st episode back in Chinese Animation post. I watched raw then though
forgive me if I'm a bit too overwhelmed by Flip Flappers... For this episode alone I took like 25 screenshots...trying to write a review now...
I have absolutely no idea what is going on in Flip Flappers plot. And yet for some reason I am OK with that.
Anyone out there that's a fan of crude humor should go watch ep.3 of To Be Hero. Certinately stepped it up a notch from the last two humor-wise.
One downside I can think of already is that I'm bound to lose or break one of the detachable controllers. The cost for those pieces is what I'm most interested in.
Nintendo Switch hmm? Honestly it looks too good to be true. I expect some major downsides to this thing.
I like cartoons, don't get me wrong. Certainly good for a change of pace. But there is something about the way they are written that I find rather distracting.
I don't know, maybe if I said it's like the difference from how characters talk in movie vs how characters talk in a sitcom?
@K-Off, I said one liner's or jokes. Not one liner jokes. It's hard to explain. Basically when I hear a conversation in anime even if it is based in stereotypes, it at least feels like a conversation that's being had in the moment. In cartoons however there is a layer of artificiality and it feels like characters know what a person is going to say and has a response prepared.
That's probably why some of my favorite anime in recent years haven't been very heavy on character archetypes, or were either parodies of it.
Comedic dialogue with anime in recent years have leaned too much on the idea of playing off character archetypes. The collected character vs the energetic character, for one. I'd like to see more variety. Some more word play, hyperbolic humor, body humor, etc etc.
@Aidan Not quite sure what you mean by that, because it's certainly not even a majority of cartoons that rely on cheap one liner jokes. I suppose it's entirely up to taste, but I can appreciate the energy in cartoons like Steven Universe or Regular Show when compared to the increasingly repetitive dialogue found in some recent anime.
@Topgavin: I just read that review and his main reason being Shelter is pretentious. oh well! Can't never please anyone.
Thought I'd check out the reviews for Shelter on MAl and the top review is a 1/10. Apparently because it's a cute girl we sympathise with her more, which is bad because reasons. I mean.. what? MAL never ceases to amaze me
@Mario, no. It's more that the dialogue keeps trying to push out one liners or jokes regardless of whose talking.
@Aidan: maybe because they spoke in your native language do you can feel that it's artificial, ya know? I know I have the same problem with Vietnamese drama/ cartoon and maybe Japanese people have that same issues with anime?
By which I mean, the way characters talk in cartoons is very...artificial. Like you can tell that the dialgoue was clearly written beforehand and it never really sounds natural. At least to me.
@Anon, I wouldn't. The writing and structure are too cartoon. What with the episodic nature and dialogue that generally pushes for a comedic tone.
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Flanagan also directed absentia which I haven't seen yet but I think someone I came across of 4chan linked it to being lovecraftian?
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Oculus was a film of two halves for me. Hush was a pretty standard home invasion thriller, making the victim deaf was an interesting twist but not as unique as you might think, still suspenseful though.
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I never saw the first oujia film. Though Mike Flanagan who did the sequel, he's never made a bad movie but he's never really made a great one either.
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I stick to the firm belief that cartoons and anime, visually should do and be their own thing. I'll prefer a western artstyle for cartoons rather than one pretending to look like anime style.
But this is a good topic and I'm sure everyone has their own opinions so I'm looking to hear some more arguments
@anon352392: no they aren't. For me not because of where their production based, nor their intended audience, but rather their styles, both visually and storytelling-ly, are different
Anime,” they assert, is not a “style” of illustration or animation.
That's where I differ to those guys. For me, anime is a style. In that sense, I consider RWBY, and Canadian-produced short Flutter as an anime. Thunderbolt Fantasy is not and anime-influence shows/movies that are intented for Western audience like AniMatrix or Afro Samurai are anime
@Anon nah they wouldn't be because they aren't made by a japanese producer for the japanese market. Quality isn't the question, production is
NX and Red Dead Redemption 2 trailers tomorrow.
They are good series and i honestly like them alot more than most anime series, would their quality make them anime?
What about cartoons like Steven Universe, Gravity Falls, Wander Over Yonder, Star Vs The Forces Of Evil?
In other news a sequel to an absolutely terrible horror movie called Ouija is out and it's...actually pretty good? Wondering if critics were paid off or it is legit good. Well it did have the guy who was behind Oculus and that was a pretty good movie.
Simplify the term down enough and anime is literally anything animated but the whole point of the term is to distinguish it. For to call Spongebob an anime makes me want to projectile vomit. Point is this, you say you watched a cartoon, people think Tom and jerry, Scooby doo etc. You say you watched an anime, people think Cowboy bebop, Attack on titan, etc. Whole point of the term.
For example, I don't consider Avatar or RWBY to be anime for while they use anime style, the writing is fundamentally structured like an American cartoon. Through I would consider Bloodivores an anime even though it was made by a Chinese animation company, making it technically a Chinese cartoon.
As far as what is and isn't anime I honestly think of the term as a means of distinguishing it from cartoon which gives the impression of being for children. It's like Graphic novel is to comic book. Though techically graphic novels are issues of comics bound in book form, the term Graphic novel is often used to distinguish works that go above superhero comics and whatnot.
Basically I think it was due to Porter Robinsons involvement that they didn't consider it anime.
@Aidan: Did the mods give any concrete reasons why they didn't consider it an anime?
@Mario, It wasn't the community that had the problem. It was the mods. The community made it pretty clear that they considered it anime.
So despite the art style is obviously anime, the character speaks in Japanese, and the production was animated by A1 Studios, it's not an anime? Sometimes I feel sad that the anime community keeps limiting themselves with such fixed minds.
I saw it yesterday and yes it was good. For a 5-minute story, they don't make it too overwhelme with details, and still pack an emotional punch. Moreover it elevates the song. Good stuffs.
Shelter was quite good though. It works well and the animation was beautiful. Song is not bad either. It's got a nice emotional punch to it though it's a bit simple a story.
Well anyway I only saw all this because I checked out the video for the first time and wanted to see how others thought of it with a quick scan through reddit. And I get this shitshow instead.
Playing the victim is the one really pisses off the internet. For refusing to admit you f*cked up only encourages people to shove how you f*cked up into your face. That's what really grinds peoples gears.
Yep, seen that too. The mods even put up another tread about the video and tried to guilt trip people by saying they got death threats. Look, internet rules 101. If you said or did something stupid admit to it and just walk away. Do not try to deflect blame or play the victim, that only adds fuel to the fire.
@Aidan oh yeah saw that live lol. Porter himself even commented on twitter about it, gotta love internet drama
So did anyone happen to catch the big old shitstorm of that Shelter music music when a mod of the Anime subreddit decided it wasn't "Anime" enough and removed the discussion post about it? Oh internet drama...what silly nonsense.
Finally caught up with JoJo. Diamond is Unbreakable has turned out to be much better than Stardust Crusaders. Should have waited for the season to finish through as I really loved marathoning it.
I had a feeling that might be the case considering the source materail for luger.
@Mario Oh I watched that, certinately worth it. Packed more story that some 12-episode shows do nowadays and gorgeous animation.
and I will check out "Shelter" music video to see what all the fuss is about
*this weekend to be exact.
Sounds like Luger Code 1951 is an OVA that will air next week, the same air date with "my" Zaregoto OVA.
@Mario: doesn't sound real at all to me lol
@Mario, I might be able to manage. If all else fails I can talk about the past of these historical figures.
While I don't mind watchinng Drifters, I swaer if I had to cover that show, I couldn't come up with anything to say.
Do you guys know what language the fairies speak in Drifters? It does sound like a genuine language
@topgavin: humanity has declined is a great show. It has good writing and dark, witty sense of humor. I could talk about it in length but psgels pretty much covered it all. He was really impressed by that show however.
That should be me covered till the weekend. Why do all my shows air on the weekend...
@Mario nah I've watched the whole thing but I'd heard about it at the start of this year and put it off. The dialogue between her and the fairies was great stuff, probably gonna rewatch it this weekend now that you mention it
Alright, I got three posts written up and will be throwing them out in about two hours or do.
I thought you've finished it. Yeah I love her character a lot, so cynical but witty. My favorite moment was when she read about fairy's plan to invent religions. She was like "so religions are invented?" (beat) "I've learn something new today". Priceless
@Mario Oh nice, it was one that I had heard about but never got round to. To put it in simple anime terms, Watashi is best girl
@topgavin: I just finished the series yo mentioned the other day: humanity is declined. Man, I love it. I know now I have a thing for dark twisted absurdist anime
@Ano340004: the name is Watashi ga Motete Dousunda, or to put it short Motete. I have fun with it but i'm not that enthuastic
@anon the english name is Kiss him, not me. Search through the first impressions if you need the jap name.
then that girl really loves BL (boy love)
what is the name of the anime that the girl is fat and then she got depressed because her favorite boy anime died then she got thin?
Season 7 is awesome so far too. It feels like the tone of the show is finally back to normal and it feels like Adventure Time again.
Whew, I binged all seasons of Adventure Time this weekend. The show hit a low spot in Season 6 but I think it needed to happen...Poor Finn needed the serious character development after what he did to FP.
You guys are too hard on it
Motete is very funny
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When it comes to gag manga and four-koma, I just eventually reach a stopping point with a comedy series in that format. Even with hidamari sketch.
I think it was typical light novel trash based on what was in the PV. I laughed that despite it being horrible that the crowd still cheered anyway, likely because it had a bath clip in it.
The PV was hilarious. I had no idea what the anime was about.
@Aidan I'm good, I'll stick with Working.
@K-Off, you could switch to something like Gi(a)rlish Number if you like. I for one am really digging the satire of the show. Plus I like that it's basically showing how an utter train-wreck of an anime can be made. That PV in the last episode was truly painful.
Feeling pretty disappointed with Working. I haven't gotten any more cynical with comedies, at least I don't think, and its flaws are so irritating.
@Adam Le, I find that with Comic book dialogue. Which is one of the reasons I have gone off marvel movies. Cartoons have it to a degree as well.
I love the instagram shots in Yuri
Maybe I can have a watch through those live action films and do a compare/contrast to see which version works better. After all movie and tv series are 2 different medium, and live-action vs animation is the topic that we never get tired of
speaking of which, the overlap between anime and live-action adaptation from manga is overwhelming. For this year alone, there were Erased, 3-gatsu no Lion, Fune o Amu, orange, and Chihayafuru (part 1&2). Those were just the ones I know.
@Adam: Don't know which genre you're into but you can try Fune o Amu (The Great Passage)
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I can't seem to get into any of these new shows. I don't know, the dialogue always seems off to me and the forced comedy is a big turn off.
Reminds me of a thought I had when I was last at the Getty art museum. People walking past works of art hundreds of years old, but only taking a second-long glance before moving on to the next one. Not their fault really, it's only the professional critics who can understand what they see with depth.
I'm the opposite really, they're getting paid for what they said so they better know their shits
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I suppose I'm slightly envious of professional critics somewhat.
Sometimes you're just meant to experience the ride you know. I don't watch those explained video anymore because after all it's just one guy's opinions.
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And I mean people who art professionals or students.
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I guess I'm just unsure of something, how many people watching "arty" stuff are able to pick it up on their own. By looking up an "explained video" or "explained essay" to get it, am I copping out?
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