Posted by psgels on 29 September 2011 with categories: Anime Reviews, Blood-C




Blood-C is a very difficult series to recommend. The thing is that this is one series where if you like it, you’ll like it a lot. However, if you dislike it, you’ll grow a deep seated hate against the main cast of this show. I belong in the camp of the former (hence the high rating for this review), but I do want to give out a warning, because this is a rather hard series to get into.

For starters, at heart Blood-C is a mystery horror series, with a high emphasis on building up and atmosphere. It has the building up pacing of a Bee-Train series, but differs completely in the characterization department. What this means in practice is that the entire first half will be spent on nothing but very mundane daily life, intermixed with various battles and action scenes, with very few hints towards the overall storyline. The characters all are very mundane and by far the weirdest part is that this show for a long period of time hardly ever tries to give them some depth. Instead, they’re just like the random people you might run into in a class room or on the street. Oh, and the characters have strange tendencies to make weird decisions at times.

Now, I refuse to spoil the exact how and why of things, but the second half is where this series really shines, and slowly begins to uncover its mysteries. Its plot is so constructed that as a viewer, you can be able to figure out what’s going on by yourself, but even then the final episodes in which everything is revealed pack a great punch and justify a lot of the weird things that happened throughout the series. If, at least, they didn’t get on your nerves too much. The thing is, that that is very easy, and as soon as this series loses your suspense of disbelief with it (which is rather easy with annoying characters), the atmosphere also stops being captivating, and you’ll be even more bored.

It does remain a wonderful atmosphere though. The creators make excellent use of the soundtrack handed to them, and the storytelling combines gory horror together with classical Japanese horror, which tries to capture its viewer through its slow storytelling. Especially the juxtaposition between the very mundane slice of life and the intense fights creates a wonderful tension that can be cut with a knife as the series goes on.

Also, the action scenes. Blood-C really sets itself apart through these things, and they are absolutely brutal and really well choreographed. Instead of the usual shortcuts, Saya is fully animated as she struggles with all sorts of blood thirsty monsters who make it a huge challenge to be actually beaten. The animation in the first number of episodes in particular is just absolutely wonderful, but even in the latter episodes as the budget dies down, the creators still aim to tell as much as possible through the action scenes with as much life-like animation as possible. The gore also is gore on a completely different level in this scene. It absolutely spares nobody. Usually when people die, the camera conveniently focuses on a different shot. Not here: here we can see all of details. Or at least, in the DVD versions we will.

There are a few acting problems here and there, and in particular the characterization has some major flaws in not trying hard enough to flesh out the cast, but overall I really liked this show for what it accomplished, and for the huge risks it took. This really isn’t for everyone. If you find yourself not able to get into the atmosphere because of the characters, then it’s very likely that you’re not going to enjoy this series. If you do however, you’re in for one heck of an intense ride.

Storytelling: 8/10 – Hard to get into, but excellent atmosphere, excellent sense of mystery and build-up and great plot twists.
Characters: 8/10 – Leaves things to be desired in the characterization department, but nevertheless an enjoyable cast that especially gets interesting near the end.
Production-Values: 9/10 – Absolutely wonderful animation and action scenes. Production IG really are un-matched when it comes to hand to hand combat.
Setting: 9/10 – A great concept, great ideas behind the whole story, and it’s great to see how many risks this show takes for the sake of its plot.

Suggestions:
Kurozuka
Gilgamesh

31 Responses

  1. Firechick says:

    Whoa! This is 12 episodes?! I thought it was gonna be 26!

  2. Rex says:

    I really hope they tie it in with the previous entires in the series, the first movie and maybe blood+. Though this seems to head more towards the first movie as its base story, the whole working for the american/japanese government. That story wasnt in blood+.

  3. pacifikix says:

    You’ve definitely got me curious now! Going to have to check this out. Nice review.

  4. brianwuzhere says:

    @Firechick, lol if this was 26 episodes…paced as slow as it was, a lot of people would’ve dropped this show a long time ago. That said, I’m one of the few who actually liked it, especially the finale.

  5. Kim says:

    I haven’t seen this so I have no opinions of my own.

    But your review is the first positive one I saw for this show. Everyone else seems really disappointing. But it’s interesting to read a counter opinion.

  6. Darth_Malleus says:

    I’m one of those people who were, I’ll admit it, horrified by the death and gore of this story. I consider that I can take a level of violence, but this was several levels past my limit. The plot almost had me bored out of my skin, then the second half kicked off. I was taken in by the disbelief but stayed for the plot twists and the WTF moments. That was what made this story unique, I beleive.

  7. Joojoobees says:

    “with very few hints towards the overall storyline”

    I think this is the remarkable thing about Blood-C: the storyline IS the mystery. That might sound dumb to those who haven’t watched it, but this show is unusual. Even in a mystery you know WHAT the mystery is, you know whether you are looking for the murderer, or the antidote for the poison, or whatever. In Blood-C the mystery is itself a mystery. You are forced to look for clues (and they are there), but you aren’t told what the mystery is, and this left some viewers to dismiss the series as having nothing going on. There is a mystery, but it is being kept a secret from you.

    I was very impressed, and this has me psyched up to watch the movie as well.

  8. lubu says:

    Pretty sure I posted on here after the third or fourth episode that I was frustrated with the series. I did end up completing it, although it’s left a sour taste in my mouth.

    I felt like the logic for the antagonists goal was very, very weak. I won’t post spoilers, but when you get to the exposition, you’ll know what I’m talking about.

    Amazingly good action sequences though. I just feel like the pacing was poor, the mystery wasn’t one. This series was one director away from greatness.

  9. lubu says:

    Pretty sure I posted on here after the third or fourth episode that I was frustrated with the series. I did end up completing it, although it’s left a sour taste in my mouth.

    I felt like the logic for the antagonists goal was very, very weak. I won’t post spoilers, but when you get to the exposition, you’ll know what I’m talking about.

    Amazingly good action sequences though. I just feel like the pacing was poor, the mystery wasn’t one. This series was one director away from greatness.

  10. Snowolf says:

    You all know how much I loved this show. Probably makes it way to my top 25 favorites of all time.

    Thanks so much for blogging and loving it psgels, when most folks couldn’t. It’s been a pleasure! :) (Personally I would have given it between a 87-92 out of 100 but then again, my ratings have never strayed far from yours, so.)

  11. Gell says:

    OH YEAH man this series is beyond awesome!
    So elegant an exploration of so many themes, like moe slice of life shows, for one, and and, so so many things. I mean, people dislike this because of ADD every episode was ultra moody and the violence is so cathartic and i´s just so karmic and tragic and terrifying. The idea of finding-losing yourself within a narrative, within a history, the dynamics of power in this world (with the powerfull lines spoken by the elder bairns during the series)
    The sort of incestious tension between Saya and her “father” resulting in one of the most violent and powerful animated duels in recent memory…
    It really reminds me of twin peaks, it´s particularily beautiful how they integrated the coffee-guimauve consumption lol.
    Saya, like Odin, has to lose an eye to gain greater awareness (althought she should be able to regenerate it I mean, she lost half her head-brains!)
    Anyway, as always, Japan keep the cool coming, fuck the haters, do it for the love of it, as always, godspeed.

    AND THE MOVIE !!!
    LOL THE MOVIE!!!

  12. Obsidian says:

    First @gell dude chill man there are good reason why people had hated the anime initially.

    Now me and psgels agree here — this series had a phenomenal ending and I mean extremely cool.

    Most of the characters weren’t the same but I think most of us kinda expected that.
    \
    The second part of this series was extremely good and yeah some of the deaths even made me cringe but was excellently handled.

    Overall, this series gets a 3.5/5 for me for having a good storyline and action at the end.

  13. Gell says:

    just think about it this way: How many shows with this structure-content-themes do you know of?
    There will always be another moe sliceoflife thing or shounen adventure. And that´s great but jewels like this come only once a year at the most.
    I remember being really intrigued by sequences like int the first episode, when Saya sings while going to school. It just feels so fucking ominous, I don´t know, as I said, you just don´t see things like this all the time. If you think about it the show is super deep, super deep. Like, meta stuff. It´s always the case with stories where people put on an act, as in, the end of the show being the end of the lie (there was a similar thing in eva 2.22 with shinji at the end, as an avatar of the director, transcends (or at leasts tries to) the narrative that is evangelion (evangelion the series as well as the world inside the series)
    Authors have been trying to incorporate this meta-level into everything now because we, as postmodern consumers feel pretty claustrophobic “normal” stories. Among the many “stories about stories” in anime recently blood-c is one of the most potent.
    ALSO
    GORE MAN, PORNOGRAPHIC LEVELS OF GORE

    What more could one ask for?

  14. MAruu says:

    huhu why it has only 12epi? anyways its really good anime :)

  15. Lloyd says:

    I honestly do not think I could be more excited about an anime movie than I am about this one.

    And I loved Steins;gate.

  16. Mormegil says:

    Kubo wrote the plot to this anime. That’s the only explanation. TROLOLOLOLOLOL sums everything up perfectly.

    I laughed throughout the entire show. Really.

  17. Whisperer says:

    I loved Shiki and Gilgamesh. They are shows I’d watch again if I had the time. Maybe I’ll just watch this Kurozuka thing instead.

    As for Blood-C, not really willing to see if the s**tstorm is warranted. Never did like the Blood franchise, and Clamp ruins every good premise with its preference for (looooong limbs and) crossovers.

  18. Bree says:

    @Gell “How many shows with this structure-content-themes do you know of?”

    Madoka comes to mind.

  19. Nic says:

    Wow! Seriously, you recommend Shiki next to this freaking trainwreck? I honestly don’t understand what you see in this show, especially when you’ve openly criticized other shows that were remarkably similar in their lack of coherent writing.

    I mean, I watched this series for one reason alone: The fights. They fight sequences were incredible and quite intense. And that’s what sold that series to me. Everything else was a complete failure.

    The root of the problem is that those characters are as bland as a cardboard box and we’re supposed to care for them somehow. Any series with such boring characters and whose “subtle hints” are so subtle you could guess the big twist after 4-5 episodes is bound to end up in failure. Anyone who didn’t realize it by then is flat out daft.

    They dragged the show with bland characters and the brutality wore off at the half-way point for me because quite frankly, I didn’t care anymore. It was violence to the point of being masturbatory, completely gratuitous. Fight-slaughter-rinse-repeat for 12 episodes. And then it dropped 90% of the story development in the last 2 episodes. The mark of shabby writing.

    Let me be blunt, I consider this a 6/10 series but if it wasn’t for its technical prowess with the fights, this would go as low as 3/10 for me. A complete disaster from beginning to end. I just can’t see how anyone can take that story seriously considering its godawful execution.

    Even the last episode, which was probably the best, added a bunch of pointless brutal violence when you’ve been desensitized to it 6 episodes ago. They used slaughter to fill the void that its boring story couldn’t fill.

    And yet, I somehow want to see that movie to see her revenge because her character seems slightly more interesting and I don’t want to have watched 12 episodes of this crap without having seen the ending. Whoever directed the show ought to be fired.

    • braintree says:

      Apologies for replying to such an old comment, but I’d recently gotten around to watching this show and wanted to see what psgels thought of it.

      I’ll start by saying that I disagree with pretty much everything you’ve said about the series, but tastes differ, so hey. I wanted to ask, though, about your thoughts on the foreshadowing.

      …”subtle hints” are so subtle you could guess the big twist after 4-5 episodes…Anyone who didn’t realize it by then is flat out daft.”

      I was wondering which part of the ‘big twist’ you were referring to, (or perhaps even all of it?) As for myself, the chain of events starting at the end of episode ten completely caught me off guard, throwing everything I’d thought about the series for a loop. Now, I don’t mind it if I’m considered daft by your standards, but I’m very much curious as to what gave everything away so quickly for you.

      I mean, in episode two, I thought that the ‘thing guimauve tastes/feels like’ was likely flesh or blood, since Saya’s inhumanity was fairly obvious. A few episodes later, I guessed that the blood was her father’s, and maybe that’d go partway to explaining why she seems to adore him a little excessively. Did I have any idea that her dad was a monster, or that Saya couldn’t drink human blood? Not a clue.

      Same with the ‘uncanniness’ of the town. Around episode four, I started to wonder why people weren’t more freaked out about the disappearances, and why there was only one of everything. When I watched five, I assumed the town had made some ancient pact with the monsters, like a secret lottery to determine who’d be sent out and be eaten. The whole thing about ‘breaking the covenant’ and ‘Shrovetide’? I assumed that for whatever reason, Tadayoshi and Fumito were the only adults in town who were still hostile to the idea of letting people die and were using Saya (a vampire they’d somehow defeated and ‘sealed’ into that oft-mentionned ‘promise’) to try and fight back against the status quo. That and maybe a dozen other theories flashed through my head during the two days it took me to finish Blood-C, but when the big reveal actually came, I was shocked.

      When Fumito declared that the entire town is made up of actors and/or people recruited to live there? And that he gave some people charms that somehow kept them alive despite being turned into paste*? Blew my mind.

      So…I’m not sure how flippant I may sound, but I’d honestly like to go back sometime and see what kind of hints there were about all of those things. I’m not exactly the most observant person, and it’d probably help me a hell of a lot to understand as a whole just what went on.

      *I will admit, that part was ridiculous. All but one of the ‘main cast’ who ‘came back from the dead’ had been turned to near pulp right in front of our eyes, and then they’re suddenly strolling around unhurt? At first I thought, maybe the twins and such aren’t human (hence that one odd sequence where it seems like Nene’s purposefully using her shadow to massacre the entire shopping district), but when the ‘main cast’ didn’t have their charms and died from equal/lesser mutilation, I did raise an eyebrow.

  20. Obsidian says:

    @ Gell inspired me with the postmodernist mention though gratuitous gore doesn’t always play well.

    The show’s movie seems promosing

  21. KittiChan1 says:

    I have to say this serie is by far the bloodiest of all anime I’ve seen. There were way too many death though it was understandable. It was still kinda hard too watch. Sometimes I was about to throw up and sometimes I couldn’t take my eyes off the screen. The ending wasn’t really sastisfying. But I gonna watch the movie anyway, so I can expect at least some answers. The future is gonna be red “bloody red”^^. When’s the movie coming out again?

  22. Anca says:

    I don’t think you need suspension of disbelief to watch this; maybe a hint of lack of cynicism about series… I found it pretty obvious right from the start that the town was Not Right. My first thought when I saw Saya’s classmates was ‘Those twins are creepy’, ‘There’s no way that girl is in highschool’ and ‘what is up with those blood colored uniforms?’. And those pink cakes – my thought was ‘that’s made with blood’ but I still felt sick when it turned out to be worse. And Saya… I was waiting for some big reveal. And the series didn’t disappoint.

    I’ve read a lot of CLAMP series, and this was perfectly in line, though I think it was grimdarkest since Tokyo Babylon.

  23. Gintoki says:

    YES. I finally had the time to marathon the remaining 7 episodes!
    The last 2 episodes were brilliant, and totally made the earlier episodes make a lot more sense(they felt two-dimensional because it was all an act- they wanted to keep Saya in a perfect and happy world after all. Otherwise though, the first 10 episodes were kind of a chore to sit through. Actually, I think they could have cut this series in half and add more post-“idyllic world” plot. I pretty much tolerated it all just to get to the magnificent ending, although I do have to admit there was one more highlight to the series other than the conclusion:the gore. The bloody action scenes were both gruesome and thrilling to watch. If it wasnt for those scenes I would’ve dropped this series without a second thought, and I;m not such a big fan of gore either…unless its done well. :)
    Also, is anyone hoping that Watanuki’s going to make an appearance? I’m REAAALLY hoping he’s the dog even though I’m sick of CLAMP crossovers…
    Also, about the flimsy and improbable reason to the antagonist’s actions: If he’s got the resources and money to burn, why not? When your an evil genius, you don’t really have to care about the implications I guess. He gets to do whatever he wants because he CAN.

    @Mormegil:HAHAHAHA…yeah, Kubo goes by another name during his free time: CLAMP. DUH. I shoud’ve known.After all, they are both the masters of trolling(darn it,the ending of TRC and xxxHoliiiiicccc!!)

  24. Gintoki says:

    Sorry, I meant does anyone one hope Watanuki is going to make an appearance in the MOVIE. :)
    *I meant you’re not your argh.
    **Forgive me for saying also twice. Thats just bad writing. Sometimes I wish I could just reedit my posts.

  25. AG3333 says:

    Checked out the start if this series (I plan to watch it soon)
    I think most of the negative reviews comes from the fact that this Blood is very different from the previous Blood adaptations.

    I’m guessing this series might have rated higher if it was called something else.

  26. Will says:

    And what do you know, I actually came to love the series for its awkwardness and plain story line (blood bath).

  27. braintree says:

    Honestly? I loved this series. Would probably give it more of an 85-87, and I can’t wait for the film to come out.

  28. ncky says:

    Thank you for writing a review about this series, it was an awesome ride!! This is really the reason why I watch anime!

    Blood-C reminds me of the horror movie ‘Cabin in the woods’! Nothing seems like it is and also all that blood and gore.. I’m curious about the Blood-C movie, gonna watch it asap!

  29. Arno says:

    The interesting part was the slow unraveling mystery. The less, much less interesting part was the totally ridiculous monsters.

    The gore part was intense, certainly, but you could also suspect that this is the kind of thing you add when you know there is not much in your story.

  30. Dissapointment says:

    the best part of the anime to me probably the last episode , but the rest really are not so interesting to me , 1-10 episode just like a repetitive side-quest with a little bit differences there , what i only care about is the dog , her pop and one of her classmate i have forgotten his name already , their death scenes are something and the rest just sucks , where is the promising mysteries i can’t find it even after i watched the movie of this anime , the story is just too shallow where 0 mystery found unlike the pandora hearts ._.

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Lenlo
I cant help but feel theres some cultural aspect I am missing to the Rakugo rant scene. Makes me sad.
Lenlo
Rakugo, continues to be great and gets another time skip. Im always surprised by how engrossing it is just listening to these people talk.
Lenlo
Makes me sad, just like Berserk. Got an entire shelf dedicated to it but its just so slow. stupid boat.
Lenlo
Vagabond was phenomenal, but its been on hiatus for years now hasnt it
Kaiser Eoghan
....well without spoiling towards the middle of that rakugo episode and all throughout during that middle part, my opinion on Yotaro's character went far up.
Kaiser Eoghan
Struggling to remember the name of that josei samurai manga from the 90s (or earlier 2000s), had a gender bending theme.
Kaiser Eoghan
I've already read kenshin and vagabond, I loved shigurui death frenzy and sword of the stranger but found samurai champloo uneven. Theres a kagemusha manga but I haven't read it and I've yet to see/read blade of the immortal.
Kaiser Eoghan
At a glance I'll go against the grain and say I think demi-chan is funnier than konosuba, going on one episode of each.
I've been watching a fare share of samurai films in the last two years and lately so I'm open to wathing more anime/reading manga dealing with samurai.
SuperMario
Hand Shakers, how I love to watch it jumping off the cliff. This show contains lines like "I don't understand... even if I did understand... but I don't understand." It isn't a dialogue that we encounter too often I'm sure.
AidanAK47
@Mario, Sounds good to me. With me covering Little Witch Academia, Saga of Tanya the evil and Rakugo this season is well covered.
SuperMario
so I've decided to blog 3-gatsu, Scum's Wish and ACCA this season. A bit worry about the latter as I still don't have much to talk about that. Let's try it and see what happens; I say
SuperMario
Okay, I'm not hot on Onihei this week, as if the main theme about these two episodes were "people can be corrupted" then I'm not buying it. ACCA, on the other hand, was still very solid of building up the world and its big events to come.
AidanAK47
I have played all the big roguelikes and found they have the same problem. I argee on procedural generation. Even if the map is different every time you are essentailly going through the same rooms and doing the same things.
Masky
Though to be honest, I don't like procedural(or designed room and then game connects them randomly) games much. I much enjoy hand designed dungeons since I rarely play games through more than once anyway so roguelike's appeal of "Every time you play it through its different!" doesn't appeal to me much and hand designed dungeons are much more memorable
Masky
Can't really comment further on that since I don't know which roguelikes you have played, and neither I have played gungeon so I don't know if its badly designed to the point you can't do anything if rng says so. Though I guess there is nothing wrong about liking luck based games, if roguelike in question is truly unbeatable if rng says so, well, its really badly designed one if you ask me.
AidanAK47
Take my last run. Made it up to the fourth floor. Got plenty of guns but none were really useful. Even then ran out of ammo for all of them and the game was cheap about giving out ammo. Plenty of money but shops with nothing worth buying. Over 5 heart containers but no goddamn health. Died on the boss because I rolled out of a bullet into another bullet. Pretty much unavoidable.
AidanAK47
@Masky, that's the theory but in pretty much every roguelike I played its not the case. If the RNG decides you are going to have a bad time then you are going to have a bad time. Skill can only bring you so far. I have played this game for 7 hours and I know I could have finished it in 2. Only thing stopping me is a dice roll.
Masky
Like, the thing with roguelikes is that they can get easier/harder depending on luck, but well done one should be completable even without any upgrades at all if you are skilled enough.
Masky
Thats not the really case with roguelikes though, unless game design is bad and includes insta kill traps and such that are unavoidable if you are unlucky
AidanAK47
I hate roguelikes. Been playing enter the Gungeon and I just lost all patience with it. Getting real tired of my victory being decided by a RNG. It never feels satisfying to finish a roguelike because I know my victory was determined by pure luck.
AidanAK47
So we got to rely on fansubs for it when it's airing.
AidanAK47
@Mario, Nope. I think because netflix only puts up full seasons they are only planning to put it up when it's finished airing. Or when it's dubbed.
SuperMario
But how does the Netflix thing work? So of I have a Netflix account I can watch the show weekly?
SuperMario
@Aidan: that's a dumb way to do things really because unless you watch the show weekly, everyone gonna forget that it even exist. Just look at Re-Life last year
Lenlo
thought*. Words are hard.

Eventually found the actual first ep though and enjoyed it.
Lenlo
Was funny. I tried to find the first Ep for Little Witch, found original short made afew years ago, watched it and though "This is very similar to the original... Whats new".
AidanAK47
Little witch is one of the best shows this season and yet I can't get subtitles because Netflix doesn't release shows weekly. Motherf*cker.
Lenlo
Ore Monogatari I enjoyed. It was a nice romance that actually explored what happens after the confession. Also the 2 leads are just precious.
Lenlo
Alright but unmemorable seems like a good summation.
SuperMario
@Lenlo: one good thing about Seiren is if you don't like this romance, the whole thing gonna reset after episode 4 so there's a chance that you might end up like it. Agreed that the comedy wasn't very good. Alright but unmemorable
SuperMario
@Topgavin: I watched like first 3 episodes and stopped because I didn't have much time there, but I enjoyed what I saw. A well-written and endearing show in my book
Topgavin
Has anyone here watched Ore Monogatari before? Because in the 4 years I've watched anime, I've never heard of it (I guess it did come out 2 years ago) and yet it's turning out to be one of my favorite shows. Always great going into a show expecting nothing and getting pleasantly surprised.
AidanAK47
Only one more impression to go. Should have it up tomorrow.
Lenlo
Im really not feeling Seiren. Its "comedy" isnt for me and I just dont find it very enjoyable to watch so far. Im curious if it gets any better but 2 episodes in it just isnt that good.
HelghastKillzone
That ending scene is an entire side-story compressed into that. Don't expect anymore of it from here on out as the it sticks to ruthless military/fantasy pretty well.
LookingForKeys
@Topgavin I think it was good, making it the second episode. That way the first set up the world the story will be in, and showed how much of a monster the "little girl" really is right at the end, and then made ep.2 the explanation. Nothing against Tanya trying to rip "God" a new one.
That after-credits scene, though...
SuperMario
Hmm, as much as I like Seiren's omnibus format, it doesn't turn out really hot this second episode. Demi-chan, on the other hand, still maintains its endearing tone. Might blogging Demi-chan instead
Topgavin
Yeah, that second episode was much better than the first. Dunno why they didn't start with that to be honest, waste of an opportunity for a good hook episode. The voice for the main girl still sounds weird to me though; I get it's supposed to sound weird because it symbolizes 'her' being out of place and her personality and body being a mismatch, but it'll certainly take some getting used to.
AidanAK47
Youjo Senki, now we are talking. Like Helghast said, Did the god scene way better than the LN and manga. Made it less comedic and more intimidating.
Lenlo
Oh man that Rakugo intro. Not sure what to think, but first time seeing it I liked it
Kaiser Eoghan
I sort of like good will hunting because I kind of saw a bit of myself in Damon's character when I watched it ages ago.
Kaiser Eoghan
@Mario: Remaking psycho and ruining the shower scene, for shame van sant, for shame.
Kaiser Eoghan
Its easy to ripoff some obscure thing though and get away with it. The dogtooth director essentially stole an old Mexican film to make that.
SuperMario
@Kaiser: yeah, that following some guys from behind like they were on a RPG games, which I think actually fit with the tones of Elephant. I have such mixed feeling with Gus van Sant too. Don't really think he's a great director.
Kaiser Eoghan
@Mario: Although Istvan Szabo is probably a little more well known for that Mephisto film that updates the Faust story. Zoltan Fabri's the fifth seal is a very thought provoking war movie.
Kaiser Eoghan
@Mario: I remember seeing a film documentary that featured Gus van sant in one section, they showed clips of tarrs films, Sant ripped of the cinematography and stole the style from some British short film to make Elephant.
SuperMario
@Kaiser: agree on the other Hungarian filmmakers, I don't know much about them either.
Kaiser Eoghan
@Mario: Scorsese's Silence was a big comeback. I really really emotionally connect with spiritual crisis stories.
SuperMario
@kaiser: yep, definitely check wreckmeister down. Althought I admit that watching his 2-hour plus films will feel like 5-hour anyways
Kaiser Eoghan
@Mario: I'm more tolerant of darker teenage/coming of age films/stories. Les Demons was a big surprise.
Kaiser Eoghan
@Mario: Though its kind of frustrating, I do think Tarr probably takes attention away from other hungarian filmakers because no-body knows who the hell the others are.
Kaiser Eoghan
@Mario: Man, wreckmeister was so visually arresting I started getting dreams from it.
Kaiser Eoghan
@Mario: I would consider Tarr to be kind of a poor mans Janco, Angelopolus and Tarkvosky rolled into one. I don't entirely "get" wreckmeister and man from London but they are great atmospheric mood piece experiences.
SuperMario
@Kaiser: I had been wanting to watch Belar Tarr's Turin Horse and Werckmeister Harmonies for so long now. Well, Fat Girl is shocking haha, but I'm normally drawn into those kind of films anyway.
SuperMario
@Kaiser: Margaret took like 5,6 years to release because he couldn't cut it down in the way he wanted. The final cut if I remembered correctly was edited by Martin Scorsese
Kaiser Eoghan
@Mario: Only a HDcam for moonlight now.
Kaiser Eoghan
I looks like my lineup is witch academia, rakugo and youjo senki, well the most latter one until I get bored.
Kaiser Eoghan
@Mario: I sense a directors cut for manchester, it feels like it need another 30 minutes.
SuperMario
@Kaiser: right up my valley. Watch Kenneth Lonergan's previous works Magaret and You Can Count on Me. Magaret is very messy but have a raw dialogue and interactions as well
SuperMario
Now the first episodes are over, I will keep on covering 3-gatsu, as for the other twos atm I have 3 options: 1) full romance/anti-romance high school Seiren/Scum's Wish. 2) slice-of-life moe monster girls Demi-chan/Maid Dragon and 3) Mature,dark Onihen/Acca (which although I like them I don't have much to talk about).If you guys have any preference on which shows you like covered then let me know
Kaiser Eoghan
@Helghast: At this point I'm watching youjo senki as an entertaining guilty pleasure.
Kaiser Eoghan
@Mario: Too many reboots upcoming, will wait for the dvds instead. I want to explore more of manchester by the sea's director's work. I also want to finally get more into Bela Tarr's stuff.
Kaiser Eoghan
@Mario: I was rather shocked by A Ma souer/fat girls final act. Scenes with the Italian in the bedroom were initially creepy.
SuperMario
@Kaiser: it's a nice review Kaiser, a bit jealous with you that you've seen those 3 films which are touted as the best films of 2016. Also Fat Girl, haha, I love that movie.
Kaiser Eoghan
Poor yotaro =< you have so much stuff going down on you =<
HelghastKillzone
Youjo Senki episode was so good today. That revamped scene with God just fitted so right.
AidanAK47
A official release of that game in the west is apparently coming but it's been a few years and not much news about it.
Kaiser Eoghan
@Aidan: Ah yes that was the one.
AidanAK47
@Kaiser, Had to think for a moment on that one but I think I was talking about this. https://vndb.org/v3144
Kaiser Eoghan
Now I'd hardly consider myself a studio trigger fan, but I watched the first witch academia episode there, it was actually kind of fun, got the same reaction from me as flipflappers did, that magical, special feeling.
Kaiser Eoghan
@Mario: I also, of interest reviewed Kenneth Lonegrans new film: http://letterboxd.com/shao_liu_ringon/film/manchester-by-the-sea/
Kaiser Eoghan
@Mario: Moonlight got some feels out of me though it could of been more, it ends abruptly and with 20 extra minutes they could have spent a bit more time on each section of his life.
Kaiser Eoghan
@Mario: I checked out lala land, ending was very well executed, one of three scenes in the film that were impressive visually. The whole thing looked pretty and Gosling and Stone had some decent chemistry. Although it didn't resonate emotionally as strongly as the musicals of Jacques Demi did.
Kaiser Eoghan
MOM I want aiyoku no eustia and I want it now.
Kaiser Eoghan
I've never heard of himawari or tokyo babel. The hellsing comparison at least interests me in dies irae. What was the name of that visual novel again that was coming out soon, Aidan you described it as "And Kaiser would love it because its supposed to be really fucked up".
Kaiser Eoghan
I vaguely remember the anime for 11 eyes, it was very forgettable, even the voice acting was poor, hated the childhood friends and the pacing was poor, those black knight things were kind of interesting though.
Kaiser Eoghan
@Aidan: You'll have to add me onto the list of those unsatisfied with the ever 17 writer, I read one of those games and felt it was a bunch of interesting bait that never paid off.
AidanAK47
Anyway I plan on doing a review of 11eyes here when I finish it.
AidanAK47
Can't say I was a fan of Ever17. That was a really good twist but when it came to explaining it their was a lot of contrived development. Generally not a fan of the writer. Looseboy, Ryukishi, Gen and Nasu are more my kinda thing
AidanAK47
@Anon, it is nice that so many VNs are on steam but I wish they wouldn't be stupid with the whole no adult content thing. Not so much for myself but to prevent idiots from writing negitives reviews because the game doesn't have sex. VNs can grip you in a way anime simply can't and while they require pathence and time those can be some pretty powerful stories.
Anonymous678956
@Aidan, I am so happy steam's so VN-friendly now. I think it's a very good type of media. Like anime, it has nice visuals, music and some movement but also the inner monologue and text amount of books. It's the perfect combination. Plus, the routes, which are often puzzle pieces and PoVs you have to go through to understand the whole story. True routes like the one of Ever17 blew my mind.
AidanAK47
Hopefully the two VNs I bought of steam turn out better. Tokyo Babel is supposed to be alright and I heard really good things about Himawari.
AidanAK47
I am about a third of the way through the game and really not much of worth has happened. The concept is interesting but the execution is sorely lacking.
AidanAK47
I went in expecting it to be a mixed bag and it's pretty below my expectations. It's just not really well written and the protagonist is a moron. THere isn't really routes and instead you are pretty much stuck with his childhood friend as the main love interest. Problem with that is her character begins and ends with loving the main.
Anonymous675376
@Aidan, damn. 11Eyes is on my reading list as well. Although I almost expected it to not be as good as I thought it'd be (back then). Guess I would have enjoyed it if I was able to read it while the (shitty) adaption aired, maybe I have seen/read too many series by now. Guess I'll still give it a try some day though.
AidanAK47
@Anon, I haven't heard the OST or watched the intro video. I only know it be reputation and have decided to walk into it as blind as I can. Still slightly worried as I was somewhat looking forward to reading 11Eyes for a couple of years and now that I am reading it it's well...not good.
Anonymous675376
@Aidan, same here. I was waiting years for this, since I saw the intro video for the first time. Also, that OST!
HelghastKillzone
Youjo Senki is already leagues better than Izetta. It's going to be top anime of forever and ever. (maybe not)
AidanAK47
And finally Dies Irae is funded. May actually be able to play and finish the game before the anime airs. If the hype is real behind this baby it could be a new personal favorite Visual Novel of mine. Already looking promising with it being like a cross between Hellsing and Fate/Stay Night. Two things I most certainly like.
Lenlo
@Masky, in regards to style over substance thats where im at with Gurrne Lagann.
Topgavin
Yeah, I'll probably watch the next episode to see whether it can redeem itself. Hopefully it can but considering 1st episodes usually get a lot of budget, there's some severe doubt in there.
AidanAK47
I actually argee with character designs and voices are bad in regards to female characters. Still the next episode might change your mind if we get more into the main characters head.
Anonymous671470
It's boring
Topgavin
Also, it seems I disagree with a lot of people in thinking Youjo Senki will be a massive trainwreck. The character designs are awful, the voice acting is mismatched but most of all the premise just seems so very dumb. If I wanted to watch a badass kill people I'd go watch Hellsing or Drifters, because at least those don't have some op, disproportionate loli as the mc.
AidanAK47
Gets even more complicated when you account for Satire and Parody. You could equally argue all examples listed as being as such.
AidanAK47
Little Witch Academia is a decontruction of Harry Potter....I don't believe that but honestly if I tried I could put some reasoning behind that statement.
Topgavin
In the end, it always comes down to opinion (as with every discussion about anime, for some reason). You could spin any and every series as a "deconstruction", which is why people shy away from using the word. You could argue NGE, Madoka and Re:Zero are all deconstructions yet also argue Gundam, Precure and SAO are depending on what points you weigh more importantly.
Masky
Like, if deconstruction is supposed to be just "break the elements and then play story how it would realistically go down" well I haven't watched NGE, but as far as I know it does have stuff that isn't typical to mecha genre besides the "It would fuck up kids" thing plus "realistically how it would play out" is pretty subjective thing. I mean, its mainly about how cynical bastard the writer is :P
Masky
Like I said, I don't fully agree with it because I find video's speaker's attitude annoying, but I found it semi convincing. Main thing I don't find convincing about it is that I don't think its hard to turn video's own arguments agaisnt it and say that by its own logic NGE isn't deconstruction either, like Aidan just said earlier
Masky
And I don't really have energy for checking out the "correct" one. If there even is one. Anyway, the hipster video I was talking about was titled "What Actually Is A Deconstruction?" if you want to check it out.
Masky
Hmm, well, it does depend on definition you use. Like if you use "realistic" thing, well, Magical Girl shows don't usually have "You turn into monsters" thing going on and reason why NGE's pilots go crazy is from dangerous situations rather than evas making them do so. But honestly, I don't really have strong opinion on matter since word seems to be one of those with several different meaning
SuperMario
for me Madoka IS a deconstruction of Magical girl, and yeah like what Aidan said
SuperMario
I think part of Utena is a deconstruction of "prince riding horse and save the girl" because that notion is just a foundation for Utena to become a prince herself and save other girl. That's breaking it apart and resemble it again in its own way. Don't have to be dark/ don't have to be real either
AidanAK47
@Masky, That's just debating semantics. Besides that difinition would pretty much mean that Neon Genesis Evangelion isn't a decontruction either. Madoka isn't a decontruction because it's dark. It's more in its aspects of criticising why a girl should throw her ordinary life away for something as dangerous as being a magical girl. It does take plenty of the typical tropes and turn them on its head
SuperMario
@Masky: Genre deconstruction is such a tricky word that I normally try to avoid using because there's really no set characteristic about the term and different people have different opinions about what constitute "deconstruction". For me, I disagree that deconstruction have to be dark and real, hmm can't say it well but I will give you an example:
Masky
But yeah, I guess I could try to find the video if you guys are interested, though like I said, I got hipsterish feel from the video and felt rather annoyed through it even though I did get what the point was and found it sort of convincing besides my annoyance
Masky
(not that liking NGE is hipsterish, its just that I find NGE to be more style than substance sort of series <_< Anyway, guy didn't dislike madoka or anything, he just seemed to dislike people using word deconstruction wrong in his opinion)
Masky
(especially with how much they seemed to praise Neon Genesis Evangelion)
Masky
I mean, I think the guy was being somewhat hipsterish, but its true the being darker take on genre isn't same as deconstructing the genre
Masky
@AidanAK47: Some other guy on youtube did video that had actually pretty good point about how Madoka isn't really deconstruction, if you go by definition of "Break it down to parts and then play them straight to show how horrifying it would be in real life"
Anonymous670441
Gente - Ristorante no Hitobito
Kaiser Eoghan
If anything its the hate I have for certain characters that makes it more effective.
Kaiser Eoghan
The obsessional level of attachment is just uncomfortable to me, I don't want to get THAT attached to a non-real character.
Kaiser Eoghan
Its literally just a case of "Okay lets look at this picture of this character, she looks interesting, no feelings or expression from me, apply this fetish, fap, get release, go home. "
Kaiser Eoghan
Or drooling/dribbling/heavy breathing/grinning over the characters. I abhor alot of the anime girls I find attractive or am indifferent, even when looking at ecchi/hentai drawings I'm straight and clinical with it.
Kaiser Eoghan
I mean to each their own. But I really hate the level of emotion/devotion to moe/finding the characters attractive. Such as celebrating their birthdays, going on about how cute/hot they are, how important it is that they're virgins. Or not being being self-aware of how irritating the characters are.
Lenlo
Anime hipster is pretty accurate. His general treatment of the current state of anime is annoying, as is his obsession with moe. Maybe its cause I cant stand moe most of the time, but it bugs me.
Kaiser Eoghan
@Lenlo: Essentially my brothers view on digibro.
Kaiser Eoghan
@Aidan: I don't usually feel the need to correct errors in your reviews as the errors are generally un-important, but I think you meant to say apprentices rather than appearences in the Rakugo review, just bringing that up as it felt like kind of a throw off.
AidanAK47
Which is kinda like saying Madoka wasn't a magical girl deconstruction because Sailor Moon and Nanoha had dark elements too.
AidanAK47
Went and read the reddit comments on it and seems I was right on the money.
AidanAK47
@Lenlo, He's basically a anime hipster. For example, I saw a thumbnail of his which had Saitama on it and below it "Is There Meaning In "Subverting" Shounen Tropes?" and I thought "Okay, he's going to go on about how OPM isn't subversive and then list a bunch of arbitrary examples in an attempt to redefine what is actually subversive"
Lenlo
I have lots of issues with Digibro. Dude has some good points, but other very horrible ones. Some issues he feels strongly about and gets kinda biased on imo.
Anonymous669202
acca looks visually interesting, and I personally really dig this kind of show, but it seems that it's definitely not for everyone
AidanAK47
Time to live up to my word. Four posts incoming.
AidanAK47
Man, Little witch Academia was so good. I disagree with the whole Digibro thing about being able to recognise a great show in it's first episode but watching this makes me think that this really is going to be something special.
AidanAK47
Alright, gonna put in effort today and have 3 or 4 first impressions posts done. That should knock out near half the season.
Kaiser Eoghan
Had a flip through handshakers. Garish is the word I'd use to describe it visually, it takes you out of the show.
Topgavin
ASuperMario From the first minute I can already tell it's by the same people that made K. Those colour filters and the extremely jarring/obvious city CGI is unmistakable.
SuperMario
Hand Shakers, literally makes my hands shaking. It's an abosolute mess. Highly recommended to check it out because it's so terrible it's great to watch
Vonter212
Yeah, and it's also a literal woman in refrigerator plot device, since that the thing that pushes the story forward.
Masky
I'd say that having to hide your sister's body in fridge would count as daaaaaaark and edgy, but when the body is wearing only underwear, and for some reason main character put metal things in fridge to keep body standing(I guess to not knock fridge open from inside?) I think it goes to "exploitation" you are talking about
Vonter212
@Masky - Did someone said doing dark things for drama? That's the bread and butter to get despair. Unless it's for the sake of perversion. Then it's just exploitation.
Kaiser Eoghan
@Masky: His other works dead tube and scumbag go further in the unhinged regard.
Masky
*relies on easy "let's do [x dark thing] for drama!" thing
Masky
Geez, Mayonaka no X Giten is fricking disturbing/disgusting ._. I'm pretty sure that writing relies on e, but I can't help but think mangaka is trying to make corpses sexy.
SuperMario
I found Onihei to be quite good, actually one of the most solid new episode I watched this new season. Guys, check them out
Vonter
I just hope it doesn't fall into the same misstep Kabaneri or Inuyasha or Bleach fall by making a villain so over the top that it crossed the line of not having a satisfying downfall.
Anonymous657941
@Vonter I think they just moved on. I lost interest rather quickly and I guess even the fans did that at some point, like with some other long-running series. There is much more new and more direct "fujo" stuff out there, many of them probably switched. Don't know what happens in the manga but maybe the story got worse or contained things some people didn't like.
Vonter
January will be loli dictator month (for me) :p. World Conquest Zvezda Plot, Youjo Senki: Saga of Tanya the Evil (new), Seraph of the End. For some reason I stumble into three curious series with little power hungry girls. If I can ask, why did Owari Seraph's hype died, I remember back it was mentioned more often. It still has the fujoshi fanart but still, I don't see people bringing it up.
SuperMario
@CATski: well, if you didn't like its first 3 episodes I dont think the rest gonna change your mind. Have you finished Erased then? How did you like it?
SuperMario
But I understand it's difficult to speak in front of camera, get some time to get used to it
SuperMario
@kaiser: I won't commend on poem as I'm terrible at it myself but younneed to work more on presentation Kaiser. Small little things like looking directly at the camera or say "thanks for listening" in the end can connect you to the audience better
Anonymous657071
Ok. I'll give the thing another chance. *clicks torrent* XD. CATski.
Kaiser Eoghan
@Topgavin: You might like centaur no nanami if you like demi-chan.
Kaiser Eoghan
Damn...repeated myself =<
Kaiser Eoghan
There are these things called slam sessions done in bars where people get up and read out stuff in front of a crowd and read stuff out. Actually watching rakugo made me think about practicing for that kind of thing.
Kaiser Eoghan
@Mario: the video I did was of me reading out a short piece of writing I did, a poem. lol I uploaded it to the wrong youtube account too I just realized =P
[link src="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ypBZ2hBDBYs&t=11s
I"] was recording this from my mothers laptops inbuilt cam while reading off my desktop.
SuperMario
@Kaiser: I think it's a good idea for you to try out reviewing movies/stuffs in youtube channel. I'll be very interesting to listen to them
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