Posted by psgels on 15 October 2011 with categories: Anime Reviews




Oh my god. I’ve finally finished the first part of this behemoth of a franchise. Legend of Galactic Heroes is completely unique. It took more 12 years for it to completely finish, from the opening movie to the final side-stories. It was un-rivaled at the time when it came out, and nothing like it ever appeared again. With amine being as it today, I don’t think there will ever be another series like it. I know that it’s long (it totals a whopping 162 episodes and three movies), however if you have the time to watch it and are tired of anime’s trends towards moe and cheap entertainment: by all means give it a chance.

This is one of those series that actually changed my perception. After finishing this series, my view of how to portray tactical warfare, strategical warfare and politics are completely different. In those three areas, this series just blows every other anime out there out of the water with its complexity, maturity and ingenuity. Instead of basing itself on weird logic, just about everything in this series is carefully thought through and fleshed out. The main cast of this series is intelligent, without being perfect: everyone in this show has his or her flaws to make up for it, ranging from hypocrisy to laziness and temper.

I remember that my biggest criticism for the first movie was that the creators tried to make the main characters smart by surrounding them by rashly thinking officers who can’t see the big picture. This thankfully also got fixed throughout this series. Not by just removing it, but giving it a very deep meaning within the story. Whereas the movie was just a depiction of a space battle, the TV-series has very strong themes about Autocracy versus Democracy, what it means to be a ruler and commander, and what it means to be a hero. The incompetent people who fail at their jobs are used perfectly in order to illustrate how difficult commanding an army can be.

And then, there is the character development. This series has 110 episodes, divided over 4 seasons. All four seasons stand on their own as different, and this particularly shows in the character development, and how the characters think and act. The main cast changes subtly, but significantly, but even the side characters grow throughout this series. And really: the cast of this series is ENORMOUS. What this show also likes to do is take minor side characters who haven’t appeared for what feels like 50 episodes, in order to put them a bit in the spot-lights and show how much they’ve changed.

Now, this series has undoubtedly parts that it does better than any other anime out there. Did it turn into my favourite series, though? For that question, I’m afraid that my answer is no.

At this point, Legend of Galactic Heroes is ridiculously hyped. Let me however clearly state what this show isn’t: it is not a roller-coaster ride. It’s also not a series that is easy to get into, it’s not a series that blows you away time after time, it’s not a series with an impeccable atmosphere, nor is it a series that’s very easy to watch and draw you in.

The storytelling in this series is very composed and polite. It’s so very calculated and the plot twists feel very natural, but I did have to force myself to really sit through such an emormous amount of 110 episodes. The direction delivers its plot twists as they are, and rarely adds extra spices to the storytelling in terms of inventive camera work, or passionate voice acting. The animation as well is very composed: it’s good enough to keep character models consistent, battles interesting, but only one out of 10 or so episodes really goes beyond that. And heck, the episodes with the best animation aren’t the most important ones to the plot, and there is one character death episode that actually suffers from very bad animation. It’s a bit like reading a history book, really: it is incredibly interesting to see how everything plays out, but it still feels like something is missing when you compare it to other forms of entertainment.

110 episodes is really long. Nevertheless though, I still believe that this was the absolute best that anime had to offer until Escaflowne came out.

Storytelling: 9/10 – For its length, this series actually never drags. The dialogue is truly excellent, the battles are all well written. The direction could have used a bit more bombast though, and is sometimes a bit too composed for its own good. Nevertheless, that composure also has plenty of charms on its own.
Characters: 10/10 – Brilliant. The cast is huge, and yet everyone feels different and has his own part in the story. The changes over 110 episodes are immense, and what especially sets the cast here apart is how intelligent half the cast is.
Production-Values: 8/10 – Solid, with very few weak moments and the creators have come up with a very inventive way to depict huge space battles, but there are still too many static frames for me to really rate it as 9/10.
Setting: 10/10 – In terms of politics, strategy and tactics, this series is completely un-rivaled. An enormous setting that dynamically changes, and reacts believably to the characters’ actions.

Suggestions:
Les Miserables – Shoujo Cosette
Mouryou no Hako
Seirei no Moribito

31 Responses

  1. gandalf8 says:

    So you’ve finally finished it ehh? LOGH really is the most epic anime series I’ve watched and will probably remain so. Although Psgels, does this review encompass the entire franchise with all the movies and extra OVAs or is it only the main 110 episode OVA?

    On a side note, I really wish that watching LOGH could be made compulsory viewing for all the politicians in the world. Maybe that can cure some of the plain idiocy being shown by a lot of politicians these days.

  2. psgels psgels says:

    Nope, it’s just the first 110 episodes. The rest of the OVAs are still coming up.

  3. Thomas says:

    Acutally i didnt like the ending ‘small bad’ boss. They always tried balance good/evil of all sides in this conflict, so this [SPOILER] is a bit too much ‘one sided’ for me.

  4. Nix says:

    I suppose the next show you will be tackling is monster?

  5. Scamp says:

    So psgels, the question you have to ask after someone watches LOGH: Who do you prefer, Yang or Reinhard?

  6. Guigas says:

    You finally finished this masterpiece o//

    I know that it does have some problems, like the bad animations sometimes, and the fights are quite lame and unnapealing for me. But heck, this is the most intelligent piece of animation I had the pleasure to watch, no doubts of that.

    I watched over +800 animes, and I can’t think of any anime that left me more impressed or satisfied than this one. Un-rivaled story level, politics and strategy. Fantastic cast and the best dialogues I’ve witnessed on a anime. It’s something that everyone definetely should see to taste how a REAL masterpiece is. One of the very few animes with score 10 at my list along with Mushishi and Monster (Psgels will preety much love this one as well XD).

  7. AshLynx says:

    For me personally, I found it pretty easy to get into after ep 2 and while I took a break after the first season (cus it was sad), once I started season 2, I must’ve watched 10-12 eps a day and went “what time is it? Whatever, I can fit in another ep” so for me it was absolutely addicting and easy to watch in large chunks. Might be because I already like the political thriller/drama genre a lot as is though. But I probably would’ve watched the whole thing straight through (it only took me 2 eps to get into it after all) were it not for those pesky things called “sleep” and “classes” and “food”. For me it was a roller coaster, just not a typical one I suppose.

    I’ve yet to watch the OVAs, but I’ve seen all the movies, I’ll get to it eventually, but I’m on a manga binge phase.

  8. AKI says:

    @Ashlynx You forgot “pee” and “bath”. Or maybe you really did not.

    Anyway, LOGH was a masterpiece. I can see why psgels gave it a 90+. I finished the series in like, 3 months? It was exciting and the intrigue factor was one of the things I liked. :)

    Psgels finished it much faster than me. Kudos!

  9. Pax says:

    After reading your review to me it feels like watching Lotgh was more of a chore to you than a pleasure, I read this review and I just don’t feel your usual enthusiasm that I find in reviews of series you gave a score over 90.

  10. psgels psgels says:

    Pax: there is indeed a difference. Most of the series I rate above 90/100 are emotional roller coasters. Legend of Galactic Heroes wasn’t. Instead, it contained the best and most intelligent politics and strategies out there. For that, I rate it very highly, but it was indeed a challenge to sit down and watch the damn thing.

  11. Alec says:

    Didn’t hear too much about this anime until I registered in MAL. People wee talking too much about in the forums…hmm… I think I should give it a try after finishing the annoying Excel Saga.

  12. Will says:

    The only real problem I found with LOGH was in fact in the beginning, the rest was magnificently easy to go through. Hell, after I finished the first part, I blitzkrieg through the whole OVA series within 10 days.

  13. Silty says:

    psgels, you’ve hit the nail on the head when you said that you had to force yourself to sit through this anime.

    This is the problem with elitist anime like this and Monster. Personally, I’d rate the “fun factor” for this anime as a mere 7/10. It has its moments of awesome excitement, but a lot of it is a bit of a drag and doesn’t provide the entertainment expected from an anime.

    As such, I don’t see why you gave it a score in the 90’s instead of somewhere around the mid-80’s. Anime that have epic setting, characters, and story are certainly good animes, but they don’t deserve to be put on a pedestal as the “best” if they don’t also rate highly in the entertainment factor.

    It’s not fair to say “this is boring and sucks,” but it’s also not fair to say “this is great despite being boring.” The overall mix of attributes makes an anime like this just “good.”

  14. psgels psgels says:

    Silty: boring is a strong word. There was no point at which this series was a proverbial pain to sit through. Instead, it did not keep me at the edge of my seat either. It’s somewhere in the middle, and because of that the dialogue and intelligence were able to make up for it.

    Oh, and Scamp: I have to say that my favorite character was Yang Wenli.

  15. wakka9ca says:

    @Silty: People have different tastes concerning whether an entertaining or a solid series are “good”. Just because you found it “boring” doesn’t mean everyone found it so. Just like many people cannot read classics, others are totally absorbed into it. For me, LoGH was not in anyway “boring”. Personally, I found Madoka to be boring but others don’t think so. Thus, people tastes differ and there is no “right” way to rate a series. Psgels rates it like he wants.

  16. mnedel says:

    To me this is the best anime I ever watched. It has everything, great plot, deep characters (who are adults), interesting world. To me it was very entertaining. After a few episodes I was completely addicted, finished the entire series in les than two weeks.

  17. thepotatohead says:

    psgels..I think you should not forget about another epic, “12 Kingdoms”.

  18. kero says:

    I thought this would get a higher rating!

    My brother first watched this, and he recommended it to me, he liked it so much that he watched it with me again. Almost every night we were both free we would sit and watch 2/3/4 episodes of LOGH. I understand what you say about it not being a rollercoaster, but if ever the word EPIC applied to anything, it applied to Legend of the Galactic Heroes.

    It was entertaining and intelligent, and the way they depicted the battles and the strategies was fantastic.

    I think it stands alone in so many aspects, I don’t think we’ll ever see anything like this again.

    It’s a shame that it didn’t fire you up like how it made me feel.

  19. Hades says:

    Well if this series wasn’t able to pull off a 97,5 so I’m coivinced no anime will ever reach this mark. And 100/100… I don’t think I’ll live enough to see a perfect mark =P

    @Silty
    “This is the problem with elitist anime like this and Monster. Personally, I’d rate the “fun factor” for this anime as a mere 7/10. It has its moments of awesome excitement, but a lot of it is a bit of a drag and doesn’t provide the entertainment expected from an anime.”

    That’s certainly not my case. I think these animes were never supposed to be just pure and simple entertainment. You’re wrong if you think that animes are made just to provide fun. Both LoGH and Monster are animes that provides lots of reflections and critical thinking, they certainly are not pure/simple entertaining since they were not made for this purpose to begin with. And I’m not saying this as some elitist like ” You don’t like it cause you are dumb, go back to your shallow entertainment, cough, Code… cough, Geass. I’m more intelligent/skilled than you do, that’s because I like elitist anime and you don’t” like lots of LoGH fans do.

    “… they don’t deserve to be put on a pedestal as the “best” if they don’t also rate highly in the entertainment factor.”

    That only means you base your criteria to rate animes considering the fun factor as your primary standard. You should give more value for the story and characters. It’s not easy to make such a rich and detailed setting and story like the ones present on animes like Monster and LoGH. And BTW I think that both are between the best animes I’ve seen.

  20. evolstar says:

    psgels, I can’t believe you watched 110 episodes in less than a month. I marathoned the first two seasons, but when I found out about a “certain event” in the third, I put it off for the longest time. I finished it only a few days ago myself and will be doing the rest over the next few days.

    “I have to say that my favorite character was Yang Wenli.”

    Yep, I agree with you 100% there psgels- he was by far my favorite character all the way.
    While this isn’t my #1 favorite anime, it’s very close- the politics and strategy in this show are unparalleled and the characters outstanding. It’s sad to say that if it were to air in today, it never would have stood a chance.

    psgels, do you plan on doing separate reviews for the two side stories or one for both?

  21. death13a says:

    For me this anime raised a question.
    If you have 30 billion people and under Democracy 70% of those 30 billion chosen a leader, but what about 9 billion people that are not satisfied, should their choice simple be ignored? Those 9 billion could create their own government but would other 21 billion people simple allow those 9 billion to do what they want?

    Democracy will simple self-destruct under it’s own population.

    Autocracy provides forceful but stable government. But it slow sinkhole that will erode to only shadow of government it was at beginning.

  22. andrea says:

    If logh isn’t entertaining I don’t know what else could be. Most of the movies from the 30s up to the 70s have that kind of soberty logh has, it’s a normal thing.

  23. Watcherzero says:

    Two points to make.
    Firstly while lacking in space action the post main series Prequal stories do up the ante in hand to hand action, visual quality and animation, mainly due to improved production technology. I wasnt a huge fan of the ending of the main series though it works if you realise its not a heroic story in the vein of the Greek but a tragedy like Shakespearean plays. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shakespearean_tragedy

    Second, the problem of forcing yourself to watch it. This is a problem that exists when you come to a very long series that has been running a long time. More complex series are harded to cram than simpler ones, for example I crammed Dragonball and Naruto, catching up from scratch when they were around the 100 episode marks and its not that hard and quite pleasent. LOGH on the other hand was a whole kettle of fish, you must allow yourself to watch it slowly a couple of episodes a week as that was the way it was made to be shown, its too complex a series to cram and it wont leave a pleasent feeling. This density of content is in part because the episodes came out so slowly, it was never shown on TV but a straight to VHS series released a few volumes a year, the production company financed itself from sales of the tapes and they could not work faster than the income from the sales, so the adaptation of the novels was a lengthy process taken with great loving care and time.

  24. Silty says:

    Wow, I did not expect so many responses.

    Anyways, I did not mean to imply that LotGH was boring per se, just that it didn’t have the amount of entertainment I would expect from a 90’s-rated anime.

    Thank you for your opinions, everyone. It was a bit shortsighted for me to see anime as purely entertainment.

    Though, it just goes to show how subjective ratings are – from now on I will probably pay less attention to scores, and continue reading the interesting commentary psgels has. Thank you for continuing to post reviews. :)

  25. Fedek says:

    Masterpiece in every aspect. But not so easy to get into.

    Casual anime viewers , should stay away from this one.

    Anime can be entertentment, or a history book.

    But not both at the same time

  26. billish says:

    I really like your analogy of a history book in comparison with this anime. You are a talented writer psgels.

  27. jared says:

    I’m seeing no mention of one of the greatest aspects of the show….the music!!

    Never have I seen an anime be able to use Mahler or Shostakovich smack dab in the middle of a show and have it seamlessly enhance the story.

    This will forever be one of my favorite series, and it cannot be hyped enough imo. It’s easy to identify with any of the characters regardless of your background (Oberstein ftw, cough). Glad to see it’s popularity spreading.

  28. Guigas says:

    @jared

    There are also 2 animes i’ve seen that uses classical music with brilliance besides LoGH: Princess Tutu and Nodame Cantabile. Both are also excellent animes so if you like great classical music you should check them out anytime =D

  29. Alec says:

    “I’m seeing no mention of one of the greatest aspects of the show….the music!!”

    The music in my opinion is decent. However, the the OP and ED songs (particularly the 3rd ed) screams of Nostalgia. I just finished this anime a few hours ago, and just seeing the op or ed song makes me eye get almost teary.
    The op and ed seemed annoying to me at first, but I finally understand what they are for.

    As for my fav character… it used to be Yang Wenli, but it became Reinhard, for he finally showed us that he is human, and Finally it became Oskar von reuenthal, for his amazing[SPOILER]. The fact that Yang[SPOILER] didn’t make him my favorite character.

  30. Alec says:

    “I’m seeing no mention of one of the greatest aspects of the show….the music!!”

    The music in my opinion is decent. However, the the OP and ED songs (particularly the 3rd ed) screams of Nostalgia. I just finished this anime a few hours ago, and just seeing the op or ed song makes me eye get almost teary.
    The op and ed seemed annoying to me at first, but I finally understand what they are for.

    As for my fav character… It’s Oskar von Reuenthal. It used to be Yang Wenli, then it it became Reinhard, for he finally showed us that he is human, and Finally it became Oskar von reuenthal, for his amazing,[SPOILER]

  31. cobra34 says:

    Rating: 92,5/100

    Oh what a pathetic plebeian you are. I thought you had taste since you arrogantly insult others for liking their “moe and cheap entertainment” but you are not better at all. Seriously, only 92 out of 100? Go away, with your coarse tastes you are in no position to criticize others’ tastes.

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But to tell you guys the truth, I never think that I'm cut out as a reviewer (even now), because I'm a type of viewer who more perceive (I know why I like/ don't like stuffs) than express (just can't never explain stuffs well)
SuperMario
@Topgavin: it's depending on what grabbing you really; as I always find shows with heavy symbolisms like Penguindrum or Flip Flappers the easiest to dig deeper. But those are always my kind of show to begin with
Topgavin
I'd find it really hard to write something about a show without reading about it first; watching it one time by myself I usually only notice the big things. Stuff like Flip Flappers I had no clue what half the episode's hidden meanings were, can't imagine reviewing a show like NGE or penguindrum.
SuperMario
that's exactly how I write my reviews anyways
Lenlo
I cant imagine writing a review, id just repeat myself with different words but the same intended meaning over and over again
AidanAK47
Wonder if I should write a review of this. Might be hard without giving too much away.
AidanAK47
(Finishes Sweetest monster Visual novel)
.....well....fuck.
(Buys all authors visual novels on steam.)
Lenlo
Sadly, I doubt Nioh will get a PC port. Sony is pretty stingy on their exclusives, like Bloodborne. But I am so very happy with Nioh. I love technical combat like this
Kaiser Eoghan
I suppose this means I'm looking into this rpg maker game thing now isn't it? Might aswell.
Kaiser Eoghan
I remember the word animerican used to describe things like avatar last airbender. Filthy word =P
Anonymous853606
God no. Jiro Taniguchi died.
AidanAK47
@Lenlo, I have been hearing very good things about Nioh. Really hoping it gets a PC port.
@Topgavin, No real surprises there.
Topgavin
I'm sure most of you have heard, but looks like New Game is getting a season 2 out of all things. Apparently they had good sales, and I can certainly see why. CGDCT with yuri undertones and clean animation is hard to get wrong, let alone not sell.
Lenlo
Just started with Nioh, and oh my goodness do I love it.
Anonymous852887
anyone play resident evil 7? its so good.
AidanAK47
Thought that's because the term American Anime just feels wrong to me on all levels.
AidanAK47
@Anon, they do not. They are cartoons.
Anonymous852775
DO people call D.C. Comics animated movies American anime?
AidanAK47
@Anon, I am certainly interested in seeing the next episode. Those minisodes were pretty good too. One thing I thought the writting faltered on though was the comedy. It really was a little too slapstick considering how serious the drama was.
SuperMario
@Lenlo: ah remind me the time I went to Texas (Corpus Christy) before X-mas time and I was wearing short pants and thongs (nice!!!), then went all the way up to Niagara Falls and I was almost freezing there.
Lenlo
See, I love winter, but its almost non-existent in Texas
Anonymous852268
@Aidan: I agree. I loved To the Moon. It's so good seeing emotional drama that isn't centered around high-school kids. Seeing the ups and downs of a whole long life of a person gives everything that happens way more impact.
Kaiser Eoghan
@Mario: An Australian friend put it as "A sunbaked rock in summer, a giant zoo, that actively tries to kill its population"
SuperMario
Not that I'm enjoying the winter either. Why autumn always go so fast?
SuperMario
Believe me but summer here is way too much. When it's too hot and dry it starts bushfiring really badly. And it's too hot that even a big fan straight in front of you don't do you any good
Kaiser Eoghan
What is this mysterious creature known as summer you refer to? =P My country is grey as a black and white film =P
SuperMario
I'm wondering how freezing you guys have to endure right now, but the place I came today in Aussie just reached 50 degree celsius this noon. So hot I felt myself burning
Lenlo
I think the part I liked the most, was just how satisfying those mud splatter sounds were. I dont know why, but its in my head
HelghastKillzone
Youjo Senki 6 subs came out at 11pm PST.
Lenlo
Atleast Rakugo didnt get held up. Still amazing as ever
AidanAK47
Well I spent my time waiting for it to come out by playing and finishing To the Moon. Got to say, it takes some real skill to make a game in RPGmaker that can make you really feel something. But maybe I am just a sucker for this kind of story.
SuperMario
Hey, I would be very frustrating if Hand shakers got delayed. But I agree this delay is caused by Being X. And Scum's Wish, haizzz, this is the show we love to get pissed at. Haha
Anonymous850298
I blame Being X.
AidanAK47
Sigh, Youjo Senki 6 is delayed. Why is it always the best shows that get delayed? If an episode of hand Shakers was delayed no one would give a crap but nope. Gotta be the show you want to watch right away.
AidanAK47
@Anon, in both anime and manga I never liked that character much.
Anonymous849783
Meh, dropped Masamune-kun. Seriously why do they always have to shove in these one dimensional characters with a crush out of f* nowhere. It never made any of these shows more interesting, it's always the opposite.
Vonter
@Kaiser Eoghan - I find it weird having the teacher being so unashamedly evil. In a way I like that, but at the same time I can't relate to the notion of people like that existing IRL.
Kaiser Eoghan
As I continue to watch scums wish, it becomes an anger inducing as much as it is engrossing experience.
AidanAK47
Or the UBW movie over the TV series. You just don't do that.
AidanAK47
That's like recommending someone to watch NGE death and rebirth instead of the TV series.
Kaiser Eoghan
Meh, I just got fed up with the padding in the tv version.
AidanAK47
Jojo has the kind of entertainment that clicks with you or doesn't so I understand if you didn't get into it. Though to give it a fair chance I would recommend trying the first episodes of Battle Tendency. It starts at episode 10 of the first season, you can jump to it. If that doesn't catch you then Jojos really isn't for you.
AidanAK47
Don't listen to Kaiser. The OVA is bad.
Kaiser Eoghan
....found out where a friend had been off to lately, making a movie and he ended up actually making and finishing and I got first dibs. Had a hard time commenting on it as I know the guy personally.
Kaiser Eoghan
@Mario: Totally with you on the academy thing.
@Lenlo: If you ever try jojo again and get onto part three go for the ova instead as it trims down an overly bloated arc.
Lenlo
For JoJos, I couldnt get through the first season. It just didnt hook me
Lenlo
What I dont understand is how anything other than Mob Psycho won best animation, cause my god.
Lenlo
I think Erased lost not because of the libido, but because Yuri was "gay" and "progressive" and most important of all, recent. Yuri had just finished airing so it was stuck in everyones heads. Of course it was going to win everything
AidanAK47
Erased truly deserved to win that category and it only lost because people voted with their libido instead of their head.
AidanAK47
If there's one thing that really makes me angry about these awards it's Yuri on Ice winning most heartwarming moment for "The Kiss". Because A) It wasn't a fucking kiss and B) Even if it was that isn't heartwarming. Oh I am sure something is getting warm but it sure as hell isn't your heart.
AidanAK47
Likely the main reason Kira didn't win main villain because Jojo has grown to a episode count which makes people hesitant to pick it up. Not to mention many would lose interest by Stardust crusaders midpoint.
AidanAK47
When it comes to judging quality you have to leave it to the people who have experienced enough of the medium to truly be able to critical judge it. Pretty darn sure most who voted didn't even bother watching everything worthwhile each season and just gravitated towards whatever they were exposed to.
AidanAK47
Lets not forget someone voting multiple times and bot voting. Because yes, people really do that. As you two pointed out, a public vote was never truly going to be a accurate gauge of quality. For you are not only opening the vote to anime lovers but also newbies and those who simply haven't refined their tastes yet.
SuperMario
so they either abstained their votes (which actually was reasonable); voted for something popular or even voted based on what their kids liked the most (which was flat out unforgivable).
SuperMario
This from my own frustration mostly when it comes to awards like this. But I've been following the Academy Awards for way too long now and every now and then you heard something that really disheartened about their voting process. Like for example many of the Academy members admitted that they don't care to watch anything animated because... it's kiddy stuff
SuperMario
TL;DR: my point is I have mixed feeling about the whole Crunchyroll awards. One more thing that I noticed about the nomination is that the pool was dominated by shows from the first half of last year.
Lenlo
I dont think public voting is the way to go is the thing. Popularity contests are horrible. With popularity contests moe is going to be near the top every time, while shows like Rakugo never really have a chance. And I think there is little doubt that Rakugo was one of the best shows last season
SuperMario
@Lenlo: there is an issue with the first thou, because reviewers like us don't actually represent the whole public opinions. So it's all come down to the very reason they create an award in a 1st place (your second point). But with voting we can't really reason why the winners win the trophy, right?
Lenlo
The problem with awards like that is for them to mean anything they need 2 things. 1) A board of voters who are actual reviewers who have watched a large portion of what was on shelf that season. 2) Reasons for why each thing won its award. An award without reasons means nothing
SuperMario
Other issue about voting for these awards is that the nominating body and the voting body aren't always the same. Usually the voting body is broader and more generic in taste, so I'm not at all surprised when shows like Rakugo couldn't win. Too art-house for their liking. Well, at least it got nominated which for me is good enough.
SuperMario
That's the thing. When it comes to awards, they are more 'popularity' contest than actual quality, since people tend to vote for the safer choice (the one that are both popular and mildly critical success), YOI fits the bill here.
Lenlo
Those awards were not the best and little more then a popularity contest imo.
SuperMario
Actually with that line-up I had no problems with YOI taking the top spot
SuperMario
I actually forgot about the Crunchyroll Anime Awards so I came to check the winner. Guess which show won AOTY huh? Alright, at least it wasn't Kabaneri or Jokers Game
Kaiser Eoghan
But the best one was Mask of Phantasm.
Kaiser Eoghan
@Aidan: And return of the joker also.
Kaiser Eoghan
It has aged admittedly very poorly, but I always got a great kick out of that old 1994 spiderman cartoon.
Kaiser Eoghan
@Mario: I think its fair to use the term K-anime or C-anime for the Korean and Chinese influenced stuff, or maybe just anime would be just as appropriate. If some Argentinian guy can write/draw a manga for a Japanese manga magazine (big comic superior thats the magazines name) and have it actually be called a manga, it should be the same for China/Korea.
Lenlo
Mhmm. Marvel had the movies, but DC had the animated series
AidanAK47
Man, I loved the villains of Batman Beyond. Inque and Shriek had such interesting powers. The DC animated shows tended to be the one that didn't treat you like a kid while watching.
Lenlo
Well, they released a trailer for Samurai Jack S5, so its coming. Batman Beyond I also enjoyed
AidanAK47
Ah Samurai Jack. Wonder how that Adult swim revival is going? Batman the Animated Series as well didn't need Batman to crack off jokes every minute to be great.
Lenlo
Agreed. Samurai Jack was one of my favorite cartoons for that very reason. It ran the gamut of genres, each episode being something different.
Also I used Nichijou cause it was the first to come to my mind as a "Kids Show", though Love-Ru works as well
AidanAK47
One thing I think Cartoons could do to move away from the stigma of being for kids is having more genres than Comedy and Action adventure. Or at least stop putting comedy in everything.
AidanAK47
@Anon, Every fanbase has it's fanatics. There are idiots everywhere.
@Lenlo, I thought this might come up though I was expecting more of "placing Berserk and To Love-Ru in the same category" thing. Honestly I don't have a rebuttal for that. What is an isn't anime is really a matter of what anime is to you.
Lenlo
Now Aidan, you say putting Berserk and Scoopy doo in the same category is wrong, but what about Berserk and say.. Nichijou? A similar problem comes up and I think thats more to do with Berserk being a pretty major outlier (And I love it for being so. Have all the original Dark Horse volumes on my shelf)
Lenlo
Really though, reading Reddit arguments about it is so much fun.
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