Posted by psgels on 28 October 2011 with categories: Anime Reviews, Macross Frontier




Um… yeah. This movie…. I think I’ve just been trolled.

The first Macross Frontier Movie stayed very close to the TV-series, only in a much more streamlined version. It cut all of the unnecessary stuff that dragged out, and instead focused on the core of the series, which worked really well and I ended up really liking it (and this is coming from someone who was really annoyed by parts of the TV-series). The second movie is… different…

One of my problems with Macross Frontier was that some subplots took forever to get anywhere, and a lot of them were resorted rather half-heartedly, if at all. This movie isn’t like that. This movie wants to be exciting. This movie wants plot twists, and it delivers them no matter what.

It’s difficult to do this review without spoilers, but let’s just say that this movie wants to deliver plot twists a little too badly. Especially the second half shows this. The result is a story that has lots of twists and turns… that just don’t make any sense whatsoever. You are going to have to turn off your common sense if you want to be able to enjoy this. I did not, and was raging throughout half of them. This was in no way good storytelling! The creators just pulled whatever twist looked the coolest out of their ass, and completely disregarded narrative logic. And I’m not the strictest when it comes to not making sense, but what the creators pulled here was just deus ex machina after deus ex machina that only add to the style of this series, not the substance. Oh, and Shoji Kawamori shows his environmentalist side again. You know, the kind where the environmentalist messages are just shoved down your throat without any sense of subtlety.

*Ahem* when you do turn off logic, you’ll be rewarded by an utterly gorgeous movie. In particular the musical segments shine as ever. This is one part at which Macross Frontier has never disappointed, and this is o exception. The use of colours and camera angles shows how much budget and animation talent went into this. Both for the 2d animation as the CG as the backgrounds.

It IS a fun movie. Just don’t go into it expecting good drama, because the drama here is of soap opera quality.

Storytelling: 8/10 – Well, it’s fun and engaging. It’s at least a great action movie.
Characters: 7/10 – This movie does add things here and there to the characters, but I’m not sure whether they were good ones. The three leads do have extra charms compared to the TV-series… but there still are enough annoyances about them.
Production-Values: 9/10 – Not among THE best animated movies, but it has stunning visuals nonetheless. Gorgeous for movie standards, but loses points for reuse of soundtrack.
Setting: 7/10 – Makey no sensey. Also Kawamori’s environmentalist traits got old years ago.

Suggestions:
Redline
Rebuild of Evangelion 2.22: You Can Not Advance
Tailenders

16 Responses

  1. DmonHiro says:

    Does anyone else feel trolled?

  2. Anonomyous says:

    The movie was fine for me. Was expecting it to follow the series but it became obvious it was not going to do that with the spy business (which episode 1 already laid foundations for).

    Few headscratchers that might have reasons for it

    i) Why SMS was not arrested immediately (acceptable because SMS political power should be pretty high and at that time the Vajra was still not under control)

    ii) Why that rock could sustain hits that could take down captial ships (really no idea unless Wilder is such a incredibly skilled surfer to reduce the damage to minimum by sacrificing the edges)

    iii) Why the prisoners were so well behaved in Sheryl’s breakout (ok maybe they were fans)

    iv) Why the prison warden allowed the performance (looked like it was already on Ranka’s schedule or the warden is a big fan)

    v) Why was no one really bothered a prisoner accused of treason was allowed on stage (looked like the concert was open to the general audience or the audience simply assumed the warden okayed it)

    vi) How did Alto manage to speak so long with Ranka nd Sheryl when energy beams were already travelling towards him (maybe the effects of the queen)

    vii) Why did Ai-kun rescue Sheryl (acceptable because Sheryl’s fold wave power level was much closer to Ranka’s in the movie hence Ai-kun gettiing affected)

    viii) Why did Ai-kun have that bubble power (bit stretching here but the adult Vajra do have their shielding system and the ability to maintain life support during Ranka’s capture)

    ix) Why did Michel not die? Given that this will be like DYRL in Macross canon, the best answer for this and all others, is that its a movie about Macross Frontier (hence the NUNS and SMS backup arriving when it would not make sense at all but serves to make the 2 look good)

  3. Alael says:

    For anyone who has watched the TV series, you know exactly what you were getting with these movies – non-stop action and superb visuals. I know they won’t get any prizes for their scripts, but watching them is an experience on its own. The graphics are perfect, just as the audio. Really, this is demo disc material.

  4. Akari Mizunashi says:

    what Alael said; feel like people are barking up the wrong tree a lot of the time.

    this was just visual and auditory bliss. if you want something with a little bit more substance -> then watch the TV series; if you want something with a lot more substance -> then watch a different show; if you want something masterfully written -> there exists media beyond anime…people seem to forget this.

  5. cody says:

    eh I think you just need to take it as it comes. Think of Drive. That film is pretty good. IMO a bit “douchey”, but the style, setting, and music all come together to make a dream-like ultra-violent surreal experience.

    Anime can do the same things. It’s not always about story!

  6. Kim says:

    Hmm I actually found this movie to be an improvement in many ways from the TV series; especially in the development & characterization of Alto’s character.

    In the TV series I never could understand what Ranka & Sheryl saw in him. I didn’t have that problem here as he became a much more admirable character to me.

    And while I kind of liked the OT3 ending of the TV series I was fine with Alto’s decision in the movie because I felt there was enough development for it (I wasn’t heavily rooting for either girl).

    Overall one of the rare cases for me where the movie improves upon the TV series (except in the case of Brera’s character which is a shame).

    The first movie was fine but I didn’t see that it was any better or worse than the TV series so I rated them the same. The second movie I rated slightly higher than the TV series.

  7. ender650 says:

    I wasn’t a huge fan of the series, but I still went to see it simply to see really good animation, action, and music. It didn’t disappoint with any of those, but that’s really all the movie has going for it. The plot is paper thin and has numerous holes, I still don’t really think the macross plot is interesting, and the pacing is really off. Overall, it was fun to watch but probably the worst anime film I’ve seen this year.

  8. tk007 says:

    Overall, the animation and action are gorgeous. I’m also happy that the love triangle is finally being resolved. However, all the new songs are pretty forgettable IMO.

  9. Unentschieden says:

    Despite every flaw the movie has it has the best answer to the “who is he gonna end up with?” question: The mature star or the innocent upstart? neither, he performs a kabuki show for the titanic alien queen and the elopes with her.

  10. Middi says:

    Ugh, Alto confessed his love to Sheryl, which sucks. In the end, they switched Ranka and Sheryl’s role, Ranka who was suppose to be special and the main character of the series ended up being compared to less than Sheryl with no specialness.

    But who cares, i’m a fan of Ranka so i’ll just have to say that Alto was such a girl, Sheryl was such a guy, and it’s why they paired those two up. Hopefully Ranka will find someone cooler if they ever make a continuation :]

  11. Jeff says:

    Movie is gorgeous, but what’s up with the faces? It’s even worse than the show, which was worse than most ‘endless’ shows like naruto…

  12. AidanAK47 says:

    “this was just visual and auditory bliss. if you want something with a little bit more substance -> then watch the TV series; if you want something with a lot more substance -> then watch a different show; if you want something masterfully written -> there exists media beyond anime…people seem to forget this.”

    If you want something with visual and auditory bliss then make a music video. Not an anime. You know it helps if something is well written. I mean it’s not exactly a compliment to say that this show is all just flashy lights and nothing else. And there do exist anime that are masterfully written.

    As for this Movie it was going good for the first 40 minutes or so. I for one thought the twist regarding the Macross Galaxy takeover was excellent. Anyone who seen the series knew they were going to become the main villains so having them be taken out and replaced with macross fronter as villain was an excellent twist. But then that other crap happened.

  13. c160 says:

    The prison scene is just so awkward..What did those Ranka fans did to earn a place in there? Burning Sheryl posters? lol. The whole scene was just too silly.

    But the new music is really good though. Even Ranka’s songs.

  14. Watcherzero says:

    Visually impressive however an inferior retelling much like the Eureka 7 movie. It substituted plot for emotion, in a way it was like watching opera.

    The only ‘cool’ addition was the fleet at the end, anyone who knows Macross knows how rare and powerful the Macross class ships are and while this film removes the coolness of Macross Frontier and Macross Galaxy fighting from the series seeing a fleet arrive which contained at least five Macross class ships was telling of how serious the wider galaxy considered what was going on. Though again that partly removes some of the impact of the original, the Frontier fleet was supposed to be out beyond civilsation with only nearby Galaxy fleet and the research fleet. Their only contact with home was by communication, and mostly technical updates of newly created technology.

    There was also a lot of plot changes and different outcomes (noone dies in this version) which I felt were just there so that they were different and it wasnt the same ending.

  15. gandalf8 says:

    I finished this movie with quite the opposite feelings that you had, Psgels. I’m usually very critical of even the slightest plot hole. I like scrutinize every action or event that happens in an anime, and would frequently pause an episode to analyze any sudden plot twists or event. If it didn’t make much sense, you would then find me cursing and swearing at the producers or writers on how the heck they could make such an incomprehensible mistake. But with this movie, even with all the idiotic plot progression, deus ex machinas, fake out deaths and whatnot, I found myself just totally enjoying the movie so much. I’m not sure why I had such reaction, but I suspect it was because of how much better Alto was portrayed in this movie. His character is much more prominent in these movies, especially evident through how Alto confronts his past. I was also satisfied with how they portrayed the love triangle this time around. I can now see why Ranka and Sheryl love Alto so much, while Alto is much more aware of the girls feelings compared to the idiot he was in the TV series. Even with that troll ending, I’m glad they showed Alto choosing one of them (Yay Sheryl) instead of leaving it hanging like the TV series. Although why the heck he would do a mating dance and elope with the Vajra queen after confessing to THE Galactic Fairy just beats me. :)

    • Atonal says:

      I totally agree with those that said that the movie was better than the tv series. In my opinion, the tv series failed for me. It was a lot of dialogue and very little action. It’s like they got the story line portion just the right amount, but lacked in the action part. It got pretty boring and I finished it only for the sake of finishing it since I love the Macross series.

      The movie really brought back the reasons why I loved this series so much though. It had the right amount story and action combined. Plus, they brought back one of the best things about Macross had in the very beginning action-wise for a very brief moment. I’M GONNA FIRE A SHIT LOAD OF MISSILES AND WATCH YOU EITHER DODGE OR DIE! The past few Macross additions lacked a lot in terms of this type of action so I really enjoyed seeing all those missiles being released all at one go :)

      I’m also glad that that it was Sheryl and Alto that “got together.” Ranka always appeared like a little kid to me…

      And about the prison scene. It’s a concert at a prison. It doesn’t matter if they were Ranka fans or not. How much entertainment do you think prisoners get at a prison? Of course they would be happy about it! Although the warden was obviously a huge fan if you managed to somehow skip the scene where he’s holding the little signs with his guards with Ranka’s signature, etc. Also, Sheryl wasn’t on that stage for very long either. And you had to kind of pay attention, but there weren’t that many escapees and there was a small scene where you could see a guard shooting something at the few escapees.

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@Kaiser: she was like "omg MARIO, you're serious crying while watching a TV show?" well, she invaded my privacy and still had the guts to say that huh?
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@Mario: Matt Dillon is great in it.
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@Mario: What was there reaction out of curiousity?
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*Catch me right at the act
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And visually it is immersive.
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BabyMario as in like super Mario world 2 =O
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Also being immortal would meant that I finally had enough time to finish all the games and series I am interested in.
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@Kaiser: the hate against immortality is overrated, I would totally be okay with observing history for centuries.
SuperMario
@Kaiser: yeah, it’s supposed to be the final one that closes the whole franchise
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Theres going to be another euphonium movie next year.
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The soundtrack is pretty understated aswell.
Kaiser-Eoghan
Also quite naturalistic in how it uses/animates movements/body language.
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*is in
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I watched liz and the bluebird, the storybook segements give the film a certain magical feel to it, even if they feel obvious and on the nose, what this film achieves if in its silent, quiet and visual exposition rather than spoken words, its also more sensitive and low key than Euphonium.
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Thanks, Amagi. They look pretty cool
Amagi
Why would I waste my time watching other people shopping or working. Not to mention that the scripted part turns everything worse than it usually is by shoving in terrible cringy moments everywhere to.. don't know. Entertain(?) the audience or something.
Amagi
I mean unless you want info dumps you watch fiction and you watch that because it makes you indirectly experience adventures you can't have in real life. Even when fiction is down to earth it's usually about special situations like the MC becoming a professional runner like in Kaze ga or something.
Amagi
@Kaiser: Me neither, especially because it seems to be the exact opposite of the reason why people consume media, and therefore fiction, in the first place.
Amagi
They probably used these in Irozuko because they look like're part of some J-RPG town.
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Amagi: I never really understood why reality television ever became a thing or how someone could give it any form of attention.
Amagi
Seems like they even have a wikipedia entry https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trullo
Amagi
@SuperMario: It's some specific type of house that only exist in Apulia. https://cdn.getyourguide.com/img/tour_img-437617-146.jpg - the whole historic disctrict looks like that
Amagi
I shouldn't use so many brackets.
SuperMario
Trulli? What does that mean?
SuperMario
We have all kinds of international film festivals here. I watched Roma in the Latin Film Festival. Yeah that aspect I mus say that I feel lucky
Amagi
There are Trulli in one scene of this week's Irozuko (after they entered that painting), how funny. I just visited this city (Alberobello) last month.
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Mario: You are lucky, Roma gets a one day limited release here for one time.
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Aidan: Just imagine going to the west of Ireland and asking them about the internet.
Kaiser-Eoghan
Yes there are people turning up to the one art cinema we actually have. But Ireland is not a good place to be in general if you are a film/anime/gaming fan.
Kaiser-Eoghan
lol this country is incapable of giving a proper wide/long cinema release to anything that might even be considered slight non-mainstream.
SuperMario
*week-long
SuperMario
Well, we have a week-log screening here and I already lament how undeserving these films have. Guess I should be more appreciate now I know that other countries have 1-day screening only
Kaiser-Eoghan
I wonder if anyone started out in the light novel industry as a stepping stone before moving on to real book writing. I also wonder how easy it is to get published.
Anonymous3183156
Progressive is good from what I heard since he went back to his older material from a more mature outlook. Ordinal Scale is decent too coming from the same matured Kawahara.
Kaiser-Eoghan
Sometimes there are re-showings, some cinemas will play Akira for the billionth time for example.
Kaiser-Eoghan
I imagine seeing scenes like that being recorded in the recording booth would look quite strange.
Anonymous3183156
Apparently, he even apologized to the voice actress for being subjected to voice a rape scene, so I guess even he has deep regrets about it. The LN doesn't have any more moments like this so I guess he matured a lot.
Amagi
@Anon: The problem is that he was still a teen when he wrote Alicization, he just edited it a bit later. But I also wish he would have cut this scene, it's always so forced and feels so stupid.
Amagi
Pancreas has no subs yet AFAIK
Anonymous3183156
Ugh, ep10 of Alicinization reminded me why I disliked SAO so much years ago. I assume Kawahara still had some nasty tendencies in him when writing Alicinization despite being past his edgy teenage phase.
Amagi
@Kaiser: It's the same here too. One day screenings and that's it. I also believe that anime are made for everyone it's just that the West (save for France and Italy maybe) doesn't give anime a chance. They are sure people would never care so they rather die or air the same awful scripted reality show for the 5th time rather than try showing anime that could appeal to adults like Monster.
Kaiser-Eoghan
The anon might want to watch that though, a torrent of it recently got uploaded.
Kaiser-Eoghan
Also Let me eat your pancreas wasn't shown here. But it was shown in Australia.
Kaiser-Eoghan
Although there are some films that America gets that we don't, the Heavens feel, the Madoka movies and Nanoha reflection showed in America but not here.
Amagi
@SuperMario: That would be great.
Kaiser-Eoghan
Anime films seem to appeal to normies aswell.
Kaiser-Eoghan
I saw an older woman in my screening of Maquia and talked to her after it and she liked it.
Kaiser-Eoghan
Again, I don't know about elsewhere, but what surprised me was the amount of people who are seeing these in the audience who don't actually come off as anime fans and probably aren't.
Kaiser-Eoghan
But I'm genuinely surprised that my country would actually even go that far to even show them.
Kaiser-Eoghan
I don't know about all the other countries that get showings for these anime films, but here its a one day only thing each time one comes out.
SuperMario
Reviewig anime movies/ making posts about them might be something I can do in the future
SuperMario
@amagi: anime movies are somethingn I wanna raise more awareness as well. Normally each year there are 4,5 solid anime films out there, but like you said they’re hardly discussed
Kaiser-Eoghan
I've never heard of UFO no natsu.
Kaiser-Eoghan
I felt bad for the little girl in grave of the fireflies, the boy was already caught up though in "muhfascistempire is goat tier" for me to care about him as much as her.
Kaiser-Eoghan
The Air movie was more focused, better paced and visually directed with more panache than the show.
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Amagi: I have gone to almost every anime screening since the early 2000s and continue to.
Amagi
And many have barely any sort of advertising so I only notice them coincidentally by seeing a thread on /a/ or because I see some screenshot somewhere.
Amagi
Speaking of it there are so many great anime movies every year but nobody ever talks about them because the fans are split between those who see the screenings (that happen randomly depending on the country) and those who watch it a year later on their PC.
Amagi
I also found Hotori sad but it's ages old and I never met anyone who cared about it besides myself. Also, Hanbun no Tsuki and UFO no natsu although these were 6 part ova. Colourful probably too and the Key movies. I actually like all these movies like Air or Clannad but I didn't like the series that much.
Kaiser-Eoghan
I think ultimately its the patience some of these sad films are made with that allows then to eventually land their effect.
SuperWooper
It takes a while to get to that point, though.
SuperWooper
"The Wind Rises" is pretty damn sad.
SuperMario
Well, Grave of Fireflies hands down. or Your Lie in April if you don't mind TV show
Amagi
Then basically everything from Shinkai for example.
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Anon: You may need to let us now what type of drama you're into, are you okay with highly melodramatic stories?
Anonymous3180985
if so anybody have any good sad anime movies?
Anonymous3180985
anybody here?
Amagi
The more we approach xmas time the more it rains in my city. Like every year.
Amagi
Didn't know that guess I try this someday I love this setting.
Kaiser-Eoghan
The most recent thing I've watched dealing with a created/artificial/virtual world was an old German mini series called World on a wire by Rainer Fassbinder.
Amagi
Wonder about the consequences these last scenes in Gridman will have.
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Mario: I finally got around to Aki Kaurasamaki's films, watched I hired a contract killer, I like dry, sad bastard black humour like that and even when it wasn't being amusing I enjoyed the whole quirky tone throughout it.
Kaiser-Eoghan
I decided to watch season 2 of sound euphonium before getting to liz and the bluebird. I would like to see more of this. I guess I liked Asuka's arc.
Kaiser-Eoghan
I think bloom into you has stood out in how its dealt with Nanami's insecurities and backstory, found myself liking that one side character Sayaka more. There will be an arc where they do some kind of play which compliments/links in well with nanami's character.
Animosh
But yeah, I agree the series has great character writing. In hindsight, it's kind of a shame you picked Irozuku over Bloom into You. It had a great premiere and some stunning scenes, but the characters are so incredibly droll that there's just not much to write about. They're both slow burns, but Bloom into You gives you much more to think about.
Animosh
So I think the crossing the line thing is ambiguous between your interpretation and Yuu's subconscious fear that if she initiates things, displays her affection towards Nanami (and a passionate kiss that Yuu initiates certainly seems to qualify), then that will be the end of things. Actually, it's probably a bit of both.
Animosh
@SuperMario: I think Yuu is also aware that Nanami does not want Yuu to fall in love with her (I mean, it's hard not to after that death stare). And as a result she can never initiate things, because showing affection would undermine the whole reason Nanami fell in love with her. And Yuu obviously does not want this relationship to end.
Anonymous3177625
Did uh that really happen in BF? Probably not, but dang if that really was the case then stuff got real
SuperMario
@Animosh: the thing is Yuu takes the special attraction from Nanami for granted, and her mode is that she “doesn’t hate” it. She doesn’t hate it when she spends time alone with Nanami, she doesn’t hate it when they kiss. So for Yuu, when Nanami askes her to actively do it, it’a the first time Yuu feels like she’s crossing the line. Some really great character writing there
Anonymous3175137
It boils down to a female-targeted version of those moe shows that I don't care about all that much. Just replace the cute girls with hot boys.
Anonymous3175137
Compared to Katsugeki, where it tried to sell the series as something more than just a mobile adaptation and tried to court non-fans, here I got exactly what I expected; something safe and predictable, and catering exclusively to fans. So I got nothing out of it.
Anonymous3175137
Is there some sort of moe equivalent for male characters? Because this show probably counts as one. otoh, my feelings towards it are like most CGDCT anime: indifference.
Anonymous3175137
I think the oddest thing I did regarding anime this year was how I sat through both season of Touken Ranbu Hanamaru (including the one that aired earlier this winter), and didn't claw my eyes out when it's basically an unfortunate mix of a mobile game adaptation and a CBDCT show mixed in with some action segments to show that it's not just a pure estrogen-fest.
Animosh
I should also note that I don't relate to her in every way. I understand her difficulties with falling in love, but for me the problem is more that my view on love is too negative, and as a result I'm hesitant about taking the "leap of faith" that any relationship requires. Love is messy, and may well get you hurt, so it's easier to observe things from a distance, like Maki for example.
Animosh
Oh Yuu is definitely frustrating to watch. Her idealized conception of love prevents her from seeing what is obvious to everyone watching: that she's slowly developing feelings for Touko. And when those feelings evidently turn into love, instead of seeing them for what they are, she's in denial and insists that her feelings aren't special enough to be called "love". It's frustrating.
SuperMario
Then again, I can't really say why Bloom into You works for me now, but kept me in a distance in their first few episodes. It's slow-burn, and when you think back to it, not a lot has been happening. But I feel they haven't made any wrong step yet
SuperMario
Can't say I relate to Yuu thou. She's the kind of character that in real life I would find really frustrated, and I know many of my friends behave that way. That just to further demonstrates how real these characters can be. Even the side characters, Sayaka and the lesbian adult couple work well for me.
SuperMario
@Aminosh: it took awhile for me to fully embrace Bloom into You (I say about episode 5,6) but I agree it's getting very solid now. it reminds me of Scums Wish as well, mainly because how twisted romance can be
Animosh
I'm also worried it won't end in a satisfying way, since the manga is still ongoing. But otherwise I quite like it. It has its problems, but if you go into it with the right expectations (slow pacing, complex and flawed characters that make for an unusual love story, with more focus on the characters' psychological issues than their sexuality) there's a lot to enjoy.
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