Posted by psgels on 3 December 2011 with categories: Last Exile - Ginyoku no Fam



Whoa. they actually gave the people from Gracies the Russian language. And while I know nothing about that language, it actually sounded pretty authentic
there. This episode once again rocked, with some very solid dogfights and tactics. This episode did both justice to the Sylvius who had to escape against overwhelming odds, and Fam, who actually felt very responsible for guiding the enemy last week.

I’m still a big bugged about this whole “skyfish hunting”, though. This episode explained perfectly fine how this is done: destroying the Claudia tank of this huge warship eliminates the thing that keeps it afloat. It does leave me to wonder though: if it really is so easy, then why aren’t more people following Fam’s tactic? Or are Vanships really so hard to control that only the top pilots can really get a good shot before being shot down? That’s the thing that’s really bothering me about this series: why are there so little precautions made against Vanship attacks, even though it has been shown quite a few times that they can give the large warships quite a difficult time? Or did the enemies blow their entire budget on the huge imposing warships, hoping to win by intimidation?

So, eight episodes in and about a third of the way through, the execution has been a bit wonky, but the pacing has been surprisingly solid, albeit slow. This show was a bit clunky on the character introductions, but the past episodes have allowed us to get a good feel of the characters, and they’re beginning to stand out more. By far the best part though, is how much colour it brought into its world. This is the part at which I actually believe it’s getting better than the first Last Exile. The first Last Exile still stands miles above this one in terms of characters, though.
Rating: ** (Excellent)

24 Responses

  1. Kixmachina says:

    This would have been a very, very good episode…
    However, there are many things that made it off. For example, Fam’s sudden Skyfish hunting, as well as being able to pull off the sinking of the Anshar… There are also some quality issues in this episode…

    Still, there are many good highlights in this episode… Gracies seems to have badass firepower and cool technology, not to mention that they Russian! I also liked that the Silvius had to really struggle to be able to breakthrough the siege… I find it kinda annoying though that Fam herself doesn’t need to struggle as much…

    And what pains me in this episode is about Giselle! Poor girl! T_T How can Fam just leave her like that?!?

  2. Kixmachina says:

    This would have been a very, very good episode…
    However, there are many things that made it off. For example, Fam’s sudden Skyfish hunting, as well as being able to pull off the sinking of the Anshar… There are also some quality issues in this episode…

    Still, there are many good highlights in this episode… Gracies seems to have badass firepower and cool technology, not to mention that they Russian! I also liked that the Silvius had to really struggle to be able to breakthrough the siege… I find it kinda annoying though that Fam herself doesn’t need to struggle as much…

    And what pains me in this episode is about Giselle! Poor girl! T_T How can Fam just leave her like that?!?

  3. gandalf8 says:

    The “skyfish hunting” part has always bugged me too, besides the very noticeable abscence of a solid defense against Vanship attacks in the Federation fleets. It is certainly a viable tactic to be used against their ships as evidenced by Fam in this episode, so I am not satisfied that they left such a vulnerable weakness that could be easily exploited. And I cannot fathom how the heck Fam and co are gonna salvage the Anshar if it has sunk. I mean, won’t it be wrecked when it crashes down to earth? If it was still salvageable, can the Federation afford to just abandon their ships to their enemies? Can’t they salvage it back from where it crashes down? They have a lot of other ships in their fleet, right?

    Nevertheless, this was still a good episode overall. It was certainly nail biting to watch Silvinus’s fight against the Federation forces, besides getting a glimpse at the superior technology and weaponry at the disposal of the secretive Gracies forces. For me, this episode is signalling that the series is finally heading in the right direction and I find myself anxiously waiting for next week for more doses of Last Exile.

  4. goto says:

    next 2-3 episodes incoming drama between gisey and fam

    Honestly I think gisey is just being a . . .little girl getting her self all worked up and jealous of fam x milia as if she forgot the promise fam made to the king about keeping milia safe. . .what was that thing about sky pirates and ALWAYS honoring their contracts? (you know the king giving the family heriloom as payment)oh wait, all bets are off a once little girls throws hissy fits and gets her feelings hurt for the sake of *drama* and gissey just *happened* to be unable to ride the vanship with fam so save themselves from complete annihilation. I just face palmed at the scene of her crying after their asses just got SAVED, like seriously? you were just on the brink of death and the first thing you do is cry from jealousy instead of being glad you are alive?! Someone please shoot gisey now, Id rather millia take her role since she has gotten less whiny and more mature seeing as to what has happened to her over the course of the story. the impending two episodes of needless *dorama* is going to fuck up the pacing even more now. . .

  5. nymbryxion says:

    well in the first Last Exile they mentioned before that there was no concept of using Vanships for attacking big ships (instead they were used to deliver messages and scout). They only used Vanship fighters to fight against the Guild after it was demonstrated it was feasible (after the heroes inspired the Mad Thane to use smaller ships in battle).

  6. gandalf8 says:

    @nymbryxion: the problem is the setting is now on Earth, where the use of Vanships by the Sky Pirates for “Skyfish hunting” has been going on for quite some time already. I cannot believe that the Federation are not aware of that vulnerability as I believe the Sky Pirates have stolen a lot off their ships, hence the reason they set up that trap to annihilate Fam and Gisey’s band of Sky Pirates. If any off their enemies ever get it into their heads to use a fleet of Vanships each armed with those Claudia engine disablers like Fam had, the Federation fleets will surely be at a huge disadvantage.

  7. Silent Minstrel says:

    Using vanship to attack the Claudia tank is actually harder than what the anime shows. In Episode 4 Gisey mentioned she never succeed even during training.

    In the end of this episode Fam also says that this is their first success.

    So it IS a viable tactic, but not am easy one to pull off.

    The Ades battleships are equipped with small-caliber fast-firing weapon all over their body to shoot down those pesky vanships.In episode 8 several Silvius vanships are shown to be damaged after their sortie. However vespas are just too small for even those weapons to reliably shot down.

  8. lolcat says:

    yeah, ppl happy that Gracies are Russians+) Well, i myself happy as well, but my ears just hurt when i hear most of their phrases, since I’m russian. +) But i heard one of them speaking clearly ^_^

  9. valinor89 says:

    I for once liked the admiral or whatever saying they can’t loose valuable and experienced crewmembers… and they are loosing entire ships.
    By the way what is the purpose of rocket assisted vertical takeof if the first thing they do is going horizontal?

    The thing with point defense is that it is very dificult when you have manual control and nothing remotely like a computer to control it. And in anime point defense never works to stop the good guys.

  10. Guest says:

    I think one of the VAs is a native Russian speaker, but the others…at best she might’ve coached them. Was still an awesome surprise to hear it up in my Last Exile.

  11. DangerMouse says:

    I loved this episode.

    Totally agree on the Russian, it was really cool and further added to the scale of the world with an international feel.

    Perhaps the rockets got them to their target/border faster with the better propulsion.

    @valinor89: Totally agree, Sadri was great. He even upped his greatness with him caring about his crew and him and his crew saluting their ship which I loved, really added that little “classy” touch that the chivalry added on occasion in the original.

    Right gandalf8, and I think they are becoming aware of their weaknesses but change takes time, this is a massive fleet already in service. And they are in the midst of trying to outfit themselves with new anti-vanship weapons, it’ll take more time to address actual hull issues I’d imagine.

    Also perhaps they eventually could have salvaged the Anshar once it hit ground if it were in their territory however they are in extremely hostile territory (Glacias) and defending their dead ship from the Silvius with a fleet would easily bring Glacias forces since he was already keeping back most of his forces and already risking bringing in a smaller force so this ship is a relatively small loss given their fleet and huge number of ships and as he said he wants to save his men so it’s unlikely they can sit their waiting nor bring in a new fleet since they are across Glacias’ border and the ship won’t be able to fly for much longer leaking Claudia.

    Perhaps to finish off the capture off-screen maybe Dagobert from the Silvius as a real Guild engineer might be able to do something about that to prevent the Anshar from continuing to sink in a timely enough manner so as not to piss of Glacias since they may not be getting shoved out of Glacias territory quite as fast being one ship as Ades would and repair it just enough if they have some spare refined Claudia to refuel it a bit.

    Ooh, another interesting bit, since it’s Claudia Unit damage we’re talking about here this also brings up an interesting question for later as we continue to learn more about Ades (and hopefully some more Guild threads as started last time) about their level of Guild knowledge and that they may be not nearly as familiar as thought possible just because Luscinia and Alauda were in power positions (and they’re clearly keeping some things isolated since we’ve never seen them with Guild-hybrid like Alauda’s, and their battleships are “current” not even remotely even slightly “super advanced Guild”), in regards to these in the first series Anatoray and Disith generally couldn’t make them they came from the Guild and likely couldn’t repair all but basic damage (unlike the Silvana/Silvius design and it’s Guild engineer) so it may have mostly been a lost ship to them anyway.

    @goto: Gisey’s current is state is equally if not moreso about the “real war” around her and how hard she is on herself and the constant edge on which they’ve recently been in real combat and further pushed by watching the Sky Pirates getting shot down followed by worrying about her father’s ship. It was clear she was going break first from this kind of “you could die at any moment” than Fam who pushes her vulnerabilities to the back of her mind and takes action. With now both Milia and Giselle undergoing changes and/or losing their composure, hopefully it’s Fam’s turn now as we build to the mid-season climax as

    The most likely reason, like the first series, they haven’t addressed the weakness yet is that they can’t just refit and replace their entire fleet that quickly, these ships put everyone else’s battleships to shame as shown in how they’ve been able to take on every other world power so they are relatively new and the height of the “battleship era” and yet were likely created just before vanships began to be used in actual combat and probably soon before or just about when the Sky Pirates began to use vanships in a sort of early version of vanship combat (and before they had full knowledge of Glacias since they’re clearly built on isolation), they’ve been caught in the midst of the shift to a new style of combat which is why they recognize they are in no way yet prepared to take on Glacias and are in the midst of developing new weapons and likely other new countermeasures and defenses for these new tactics, likely while their engineers back home are likely in the midst of developing new ships, but things are moving fast and they’ve been caught in between like most ships in the first series that stared down the Silvana and Alex and Tatiana’s groundbreaking tactics. Glacias is in isolation and the Silvius is a new player since they don’t even know where Anatoray is yet and it’s only been 2 years since they came to Earth (plus it’s unlikely they even knew the Silvius was a carrier until she launched her hidden fighters)

  12. DangerMouse says:

    Damn that did not seem so big in the little text window….I would have split that up since I posted about several different things, sorry excuse the massive post.

  13. jzar says:

    From what little I know about ships at sea if they had to abandon ship they would also set explosive charges on board to ensure no enemy would be able to salvage her. So, unless they throw that basic premise out the window the Anshar is going not going to be useable.

    I am guessing that Fam boarded the vessel and disarmed the ship and stopped the engine power link….it was in the scene we didn’t see this episode. :)

    Any way great episode, I’m gonna have to go watch it again.

  14. gandalf8 says:

    @DangerMouse: I don’t think the Silvius are infringing into Glacies territory right now. They had crossed the border in their attempt to escape the Federation fleet, but they managed to escape towards the Grand Lake as seen when they were just about to crash. If my memory serves me right, the Grand Lake isn’t in anyone’s territory, more like the international waters in our world where no specific country has full control off. I also don’t think the Anshar sunk in Glacies teriitory, as when they started to pursue the Silvius after all their sub fleets were damaged, the Silvius had already withdrawn from Glacies territory during the commotion of the Glacies forces opening fire on the encroaching Federation fleet.

  15. cheese says:

    @goto
    Your comment about Giselle is probably as pathetic as that brain of yours. Giselle is probably one of the more mature characters in this series. She understands the gravity of war and its cost, while Fam and Milia are just two simple and THE MOST NAIVE characters ever. Fam has her ability as a pilot to support her outrageous stunts in battle, but Milia is the “little girl with nothing strong about her.” Seriously, the downfall of this episode for me was exactly how unlikely Anshar was sunk. Let’s accept that destroying the tank underneath the ship can destroy the whole ship, even though that’s also ludicrous for such a grand battleship. Then you have Fam charging in at high speed. Milia, the princess with little experience in markesmanship, pointed the gun, and HAS to hit the mark. 2 MAJOR mistakes happened. Why would anyone close their eyes when she is aiming for something that must be absolutely shot down??? Second, her inexperience, indicated by arm movements that the huge recoil was taken, still allowed her to shoot down the tank, which was exactly the hard part, as suggested earlier when Giselle commented on how she could never do that. So, if inexperience Milia can sink Anshar, why not let everybody pilot vanship and sink other battleships???
    Furthermore, Fam NEEDS Giselle as the navigator. Haven’t you realize most of the tactics require timing and knowledge? (since you have limited amount of info-gathering-instrument on a vanship) Giselle is the brain of the vanship while Fam just execute them flawlessly. For example, the last turn during the race in episode 6, Fam needed Giselle’s precise timing, and Giselle delivered. Who else can be as knowledgeable as Giselle? She even memorized almost every strategic information required? It’s even lucky that Fam returned with Milia in their “sky-fish hunting” sorty. Seriously, Milia matured??? She’s even wiling to sacrifice her self to save Silvius, not knowing it’s a trick…and just imagine how she will govern her kingdom if she did gain them back in the end of the series…she’s way too incompetent by her naive-ness. Back to Giselle, yes, she did feel jealous of Fam and Milia relationship, but only a little. She’s more grateful that both of them returned safely than she’s more jealous of them. Furthermore, she never promised to protect Milia, it was Fam and her rashness again. Plus, wouldn’t you be more concerned about your family more than some random kingdom’s business??? She’s not throwing “hissy fit,” she’s just breaking down from all the emtions from the past events. Think about all the times Giselle saved Fam and herself with her quick-decision. You, however, are the one throwing a “little girl’s fit” Go face palm yourself next time if you have something naive to comment, just like Milia.

  16. drask says:

    @cheese
    You hate Fam. We get it already. We dont need a wall of text. Normally I dont post any comments but yours are just to annoying. Giselle is not mature, she is emotionally weak. So is Millia but not as much as Giselle. Yes Giselle is smart and clever but no planner. She is good at the practical implementation of someone else’s plan. Much like a sergeant carrying out a plan made by an officer. Of almost everything they did the basic plan was almost always Fam’s. Giselle just figured out how to actually do it. In ep 1 both the first catch and Lassas was Fam´s basic plan. So was the first capture for Tatiana where Fam figured out they somehow trick the owners when she saw the uniforms. In episode 7 Fam figured out how they would escape but left the actual implementation to Giselle. Giselle herself would have never figured it out, she was panicking to much.
    Fam is foolish and naive but does not suffer from tunnel vision the way Giselle does. Fam is also stupidly fearless. As for Millia most of the maturing she did was because Fam forced her into situation the was unfamiliar with. Also seem to forget that Millia did a lot of book studying during the time Fam and Giselle where out hunting skyfish. Before she could not even read the lightcodes. Fam forced Millia to recognize her own weakness. Until now Fam has been the officer and Giselle the sergeant who figures out how to carry out the officers plan. Giselle is as dependent of Fam as Fam is of her. Actually Fam could probably manage somehow on her own. But right now Giselle is completely dependent on someone showing her the right direction. She herself is incapable of it.

  17. cheese says:

    @drask
    Thank you for putting a constructive argument. I stand corrected on several points, one of them being giving the impression I’m saying Giselle is too smart. I do agree Fam and Giselle need each other, Fam being the officer, and that Giselle is emotionally weak, which again is why I like Giselle more, since it shows a more humane side to the story. However, you’re missing my original contention. I only wrote a couple of lines about Fam and I actually like her, not hate her. BUT, I dislike Milia and her character. Tell me, how has she mature throughout the series? She has been going through hard times, but in no way has it indicated she snapped out of her naive-ness, which in fact SHOULD be the result of enduring hardships. My original contention is that Giselle is not useless, like goto said in his/her post. And I also pointed out that Milia, which he/she said is more capable than Giselle, is actually not. Explain how it’s logical that Milia sunk the battleship with her skill, and the fact she closed her eyes right before she shot…The only good thing about her is that she sure has immense luck.
    Lastly, thank you again for putting such a solid argument, disproving some of my points, but please at least stay on topic next time, since I was trying to say Giselle is not a worthless girl in the series, as goto insisted that “somebody shoot her now”
    P.S. What is wrong with putting a wall of text? What do you find annoying in that, since you also put a huge wall of text and you chose to read my comment? AND you DON’T get my point…so I guess next time I need a bigger wall of text to make it even clearer…(sarcasm)

  18. drask says:

    @cheese
    I will be jumping somewhat between different themes: Giselle is not useless. she a skilled and excellent sergeant. The best you could want. But she is not a leader.
    Milia is more mature than she was at the beginning of the series, where was a fairly arrogant princess (a product of her upbringing). Just look how she behaved towards Teddy. Does she behave this way now? Not really. On the other hand Milia is still not very mature. But she did realize her weakness. That she was powerless and did not really know much about the world. Thats one step towards maturity. Next step towards maturity is that she realized she had to do something about it. As I mentioned before studied things like light signals and other things while on Silvius. One can presume she studied things like weaknesses of Ades warships and what a navi must know. Central to this is Fam who constantly pushes Milia into new situations. Like when they went to get back her sisters glass and telling Milia the was an orphan or putting Milia into the situation where she got captured by Silvius (Dio did not help). Or pushing Milia to establishing a government in exile or lastly forcing Milia to be her navi. Fam pushes her, knowingly or not, to mature whether she wants it or not. I suspect Fam did the same thing with Giselle when they where young. Thats why she is such a good navi but also shy she is so emotionally weak. Fam is to dominant. This will probably be bad in the long run.
    As for the sinking of the Ades battleship. Remember that Fam and Giselle tried to use this tactic in ep 4 when they tried to capture the Silvius and failed miserably because Anatoray are not stupid (like Ades) and put Silvius claudia unit deep inside the ship protected by armor. Giselle also said she never succeeded getting the shot even in training. This indicates this is a known weakness in Ades warships and Giselle thought Silvius would have the same weakness. One can suspect this was not a stupid design choice by Ades but probably a compromise of some sort. Their newer battleship are big and heavy so the claudia units must work a lot which requires a lot of cooling. They did not use vanships in combat so they probably did not think it would be a problem. Remember Gracies vanships have anti ship guns so a hit is going to hurt a lot anyway. Also from Giselles prior experience the target is difficult to hit. One can rationalize it like this but is was probably just a convenient anime plot weak point.
    Basically Milia was just very very very lucky in hitting it since normally it does not seem to be a viable option. Also Silvius would have probably escaped whether they sank Ansher or not.
    I suspect th post has gotten a bit to long sorry.

  19. cheese says:

    @drask
    Thank you again for another intellectual comment. This probably will be my last comment, seeing that we’re mostly in an agreement. I completely agree that “Giselle is not useless….But she is not a leader.” And your second paragraph completely reaffirmed my contention that Milia has to be VERY lucky to get that shot. And you further provided a plausible scenario why there’s the weakness on Anshar, even though it still seemed a little ludicrous XD The only point I still do not agree on is Milia maturing. As of NOW, I will have to say Milia is still too naive. (hopefully that will change) She “might know her weakness” but she’s still not making any improvement on her character or intelligence. And I highly doubt Milia can understand anything about Ades’ weakness…Anyway I really liked this episode, despite some minor flaws. Lastly, once again, I thank you for your even longer wall of comment! XD And I hope you can see my original contention that goto is the one being annoying with his/her naive comment.

  20. kero says:

    This episode was really exciting and I loved the battle scenes and the introduction of another country and their kick ass tech.

    The downside to the episode was that Millia made the shot that brought down the battleship.
    It’s annoying that the set up such a good battle scene with very real looking tactics, and then they win because some princes with NO experience of being a navi and NO experience of shooting, manages to shoot down a battle ship WITH HER EYES CLOSED.

    I felt like flipping a table right there.

    @goto that’s all kinds of harsh. Gisey/Giselle is what,a 15yo girl suddenly sucked into this do or die battle that she never wanted to get involved with in the first place, and you think that all she’s doing is having a ‘hissy fit’.

    You chose to interpret her tears as being due to jealousy, but I would say that it’s a part of what she’s feeling, but I’d believe that she’s also relieved that Fam survived, and that she’s also crying because of the situation she’s found herself in.

    Human beings are complex, it is possible to feel more than one thing at the same time.

    ___

    Like @cheese I’m not a fan of Millia, she’s not really shown herself to be intelligent or country ruler material. She needs to sharpen up, but I’m not convinced that Last Exile is intent on making anything better out of her.

    I’d have been disappointed by the weaknesses in the main girls, if it wasn’t for the fact that Last Exile has a lot of female characters that kick ass.

    .. Where was Dio btw? he completely disappeared from the screen.

  21. Kanub says:

    Giselle can be compared to Ravie in 1st series.
    She too wasent fit for combat, and it hit her pretty hard when the fighting started.

    With everything thats been going on, it wasent a surprise to see her break down in the end.

    Fam is almost like Claus. Too blind to see and understand her feelings, and simply go with her own ideas.
    Honestly, Fam shoulda been made a little bit more responsible.

    Still, very good episode. Music fit in perfectly, and cant wait to see more of them russian pilots!

  22. kero says:

    @kanub

    It feels like a travesty to compare Fam to Claus, from what I remember, their characters are very different.

    I keep waiting for the moment where I’ll warm up to Fame, Gonzo! throw me a bone here!

  23. Anon says:

    Lol, “authentic”, the pronunciation and accent and grammar was so bad that I didn’t realize it was Russian right until the end of the opening. This is not 2001, it’s not that hard to dig up some native Russian speakers to sho-in in Japan. Next time they ought to check the local taverns in Hokkaido ports.

  24. WatcherZero says:

    Late/early post second world war they did develop rocket powered interceptors, the idea was they would quickly get off the ground and to altitude ready to meet incoming aircraft in a very short time then dump the expended rockets for better maneoverability. They were very quickly superceded when lighter/more powerful jet engines were developed but the same idea persists, in aerial combat the high ground is very important and shaving a few minutes getting to it before the incoming hostiles hit you is still important.

    Also im thinking Giselle/Fam is Ravie/Claus clones.

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@Mario: Man, wreckmeister was so visually arresting I started getting dreams from it.
Kaiser Eoghan
@Mario: I would consider Tarr to be kind of a poor mans Janco, Angelopolus and Tarkvosky rolled into one. I don't entirely "get" wreckmeister and man from London but they are great atmospheric mood piece experiences.
SuperMario
@Kaiser: I had been wanting to watch Belar Tarr's Turin Horse and Werckmeister Harmonies for so long now. Well, Fat Girl is shocking haha, but I'm normally drawn into those kind of films anyway.
SuperMario
@Kaiser: Margaret took like 5,6 years to release because he couldn't cut it down in the way he wanted. The final cut if I remembered correctly was edited by Martin Scorsese
Kaiser Eoghan
@Mario: Only a HDcam for moonlight now.
Kaiser Eoghan
I looks like my lineup is witch academia, rakugo and youjo senki, well the most latter one until I get bored.
Kaiser Eoghan
@Mario: I sense a directors cut for manchester, it feels like it need another 30 minutes.
SuperMario
@Kaiser: right up my valley. Watch Kenneth Lonergan's previous works Magaret and You Can Count on Me. Magaret is very messy but have a raw dialogue and interactions as well
SuperMario
Now the first episodes are over, I will keep on covering 3-gatsu, as for the other twos atm I have 3 options: 1) full romance/anti-romance high school Seiren/Scum's Wish. 2) slice-of-life moe monster girls Demi-chan/Maid Dragon and 3) Mature,dark Onihen/Acca (which although I like them I don't have much to talk about).If you guys have any preference on which shows you like covered then let me know
Kaiser Eoghan
@Helghast: At this point I'm watching youjo senki as an entertaining guilty pleasure.
Kaiser Eoghan
@Mario: Too many reboots upcoming, will wait for the dvds instead. I want to explore more of manchester by the sea's director's work. I also want to finally get more into Bela Tarr's stuff.
Kaiser Eoghan
@Mario: I was rather shocked by A Ma souer/fat girls final act. Scenes with the Italian in the bedroom were initially creepy.
SuperMario
@Kaiser: it's a nice review Kaiser, a bit jealous with you that you've seen those 3 films which are touted as the best films of 2016. Also Fat Girl, haha, I love that movie.
Kaiser Eoghan
Poor yotaro =< you have so much stuff going down on you =<
HelghastKillzone
Youjo Senki episode was so good today. That revamped scene with God just fitted so right.
AidanAK47
A official release of that game in the west is apparently coming but it's been a few years and not much news about it.
Kaiser Eoghan
@Aidan: Ah yes that was the one.
AidanAK47
@Kaiser, Had to think for a moment on that one but I think I was talking about this. https://vndb.org/v3144
Kaiser Eoghan
Now I'd hardly consider myself a studio trigger fan, but I watched the first witch academia episode there, it was actually kind of fun, got the same reaction from me as flipflappers did, that magical, special feeling.
Kaiser Eoghan
@Mario: I also, of interest reviewed Kenneth Lonegrans new film: http://letterboxd.com/shao_liu_ringon/film/manchester-by-the-sea/
Kaiser Eoghan
@Mario: Moonlight got some feels out of me though it could of been more, it ends abruptly and with 20 extra minutes they could have spent a bit more time on each section of his life.
Kaiser Eoghan
@Mario: I checked out lala land, ending was very well executed, one of three scenes in the film that were impressive visually. The whole thing looked pretty and Gosling and Stone had some decent chemistry. Although it didn't resonate emotionally as strongly as the musicals of Jacques Demi did.
Kaiser Eoghan
MOM I want aiyoku no eustia and I want it now.
Kaiser Eoghan
I've never heard of himawari or tokyo babel. The hellsing comparison at least interests me in dies irae. What was the name of that visual novel again that was coming out soon, Aidan you described it as "And Kaiser would love it because its supposed to be really fucked up".
Kaiser Eoghan
I vaguely remember the anime for 11 eyes, it was very forgettable, even the voice acting was poor, hated the childhood friends and the pacing was poor, those black knight things were kind of interesting though.
Kaiser Eoghan
@Aidan: You'll have to add me onto the list of those unsatisfied with the ever 17 writer, I read one of those games and felt it was a bunch of interesting bait that never paid off.
AidanAK47
Anyway I plan on doing a review of 11eyes here when I finish it.
AidanAK47
Can't say I was a fan of Ever17. That was a really good twist but when it came to explaining it their was a lot of contrived development. Generally not a fan of the writer. Looseboy, Ryukishi, Gen and Nasu are more my kinda thing
AidanAK47
@Anon, it is nice that so many VNs are on steam but I wish they wouldn't be stupid with the whole no adult content thing. Not so much for myself but to prevent idiots from writing negitives reviews because the game doesn't have sex. VNs can grip you in a way anime simply can't and while they require pathence and time those can be some pretty powerful stories.
Anonymous678956
@Aidan, I am so happy steam's so VN-friendly now. I think it's a very good type of media. Like anime, it has nice visuals, music and some movement but also the inner monologue and text amount of books. It's the perfect combination. Plus, the routes, which are often puzzle pieces and PoVs you have to go through to understand the whole story. True routes like the one of Ever17 blew my mind.
AidanAK47
Hopefully the two VNs I bought of steam turn out better. Tokyo Babel is supposed to be alright and I heard really good things about Himawari.
AidanAK47
I am about a third of the way through the game and really not much of worth has happened. The concept is interesting but the execution is sorely lacking.
AidanAK47
I went in expecting it to be a mixed bag and it's pretty below my expectations. It's just not really well written and the protagonist is a moron. THere isn't really routes and instead you are pretty much stuck with his childhood friend as the main love interest. Problem with that is her character begins and ends with loving the main.
Anonymous675376
@Aidan, damn. 11Eyes is on my reading list as well. Although I almost expected it to not be as good as I thought it'd be (back then). Guess I would have enjoyed it if I was able to read it while the (shitty) adaption aired, maybe I have seen/read too many series by now. Guess I'll still give it a try some day though.
AidanAK47
@Anon, I haven't heard the OST or watched the intro video. I only know it be reputation and have decided to walk into it as blind as I can. Still slightly worried as I was somewhat looking forward to reading 11Eyes for a couple of years and now that I am reading it it's well...not good.
Anonymous675376
@Aidan, same here. I was waiting years for this, since I saw the intro video for the first time. Also, that OST!
HelghastKillzone
Youjo Senki is already leagues better than Izetta. It's going to be top anime of forever and ever. (maybe not)
AidanAK47
And finally Dies Irae is funded. May actually be able to play and finish the game before the anime airs. If the hype is real behind this baby it could be a new personal favorite Visual Novel of mine. Already looking promising with it being like a cross between Hellsing and Fate/Stay Night. Two things I most certainly like.
Lenlo
@Masky, in regards to style over substance thats where im at with Gurrne Lagann.
Topgavin
Yeah, I'll probably watch the next episode to see whether it can redeem itself. Hopefully it can but considering 1st episodes usually get a lot of budget, there's some severe doubt in there.
AidanAK47
I actually argee with character designs and voices are bad in regards to female characters. Still the next episode might change your mind if we get more into the main characters head.
Anonymous671470
It's boring
Topgavin
Also, it seems I disagree with a lot of people in thinking Youjo Senki will be a massive trainwreck. The character designs are awful, the voice acting is mismatched but most of all the premise just seems so very dumb. If I wanted to watch a badass kill people I'd go watch Hellsing or Drifters, because at least those don't have some op, disproportionate loli as the mc.
AidanAK47
Gets even more complicated when you account for Satire and Parody. You could equally argue all examples listed as being as such.
AidanAK47
Little Witch Academia is a decontruction of Harry Potter....I don't believe that but honestly if I tried I could put some reasoning behind that statement.
Topgavin
In the end, it always comes down to opinion (as with every discussion about anime, for some reason). You could spin any and every series as a "deconstruction", which is why people shy away from using the word. You could argue NGE, Madoka and Re:Zero are all deconstructions yet also argue Gundam, Precure and SAO are depending on what points you weigh more importantly.
Masky
Like, if deconstruction is supposed to be just "break the elements and then play story how it would realistically go down" well I haven't watched NGE, but as far as I know it does have stuff that isn't typical to mecha genre besides the "It would fuck up kids" thing plus "realistically how it would play out" is pretty subjective thing. I mean, its mainly about how cynical bastard the writer is :P
Masky
Like I said, I don't fully agree with it because I find video's speaker's attitude annoying, but I found it semi convincing. Main thing I don't find convincing about it is that I don't think its hard to turn video's own arguments agaisnt it and say that by its own logic NGE isn't deconstruction either, like Aidan just said earlier
Masky
And I don't really have energy for checking out the "correct" one. If there even is one. Anyway, the hipster video I was talking about was titled "What Actually Is A Deconstruction?" if you want to check it out.
Masky
Hmm, well, it does depend on definition you use. Like if you use "realistic" thing, well, Magical Girl shows don't usually have "You turn into monsters" thing going on and reason why NGE's pilots go crazy is from dangerous situations rather than evas making them do so. But honestly, I don't really have strong opinion on matter since word seems to be one of those with several different meaning
SuperMario
for me Madoka IS a deconstruction of Magical girl, and yeah like what Aidan said
SuperMario
I think part of Utena is a deconstruction of "prince riding horse and save the girl" because that notion is just a foundation for Utena to become a prince herself and save other girl. That's breaking it apart and resemble it again in its own way. Don't have to be dark/ don't have to be real either
AidanAK47
@Masky, That's just debating semantics. Besides that difinition would pretty much mean that Neon Genesis Evangelion isn't a decontruction either. Madoka isn't a decontruction because it's dark. It's more in its aspects of criticising why a girl should throw her ordinary life away for something as dangerous as being a magical girl. It does take plenty of the typical tropes and turn them on its head
SuperMario
@Masky: Genre deconstruction is such a tricky word that I normally try to avoid using because there's really no set characteristic about the term and different people have different opinions about what constitute "deconstruction". For me, I disagree that deconstruction have to be dark and real, hmm can't say it well but I will give you an example:
Masky
But yeah, I guess I could try to find the video if you guys are interested, though like I said, I got hipsterish feel from the video and felt rather annoyed through it even though I did get what the point was and found it sort of convincing besides my annoyance
Masky
(not that liking NGE is hipsterish, its just that I find NGE to be more style than substance sort of series <_< Anyway, guy didn't dislike madoka or anything, he just seemed to dislike people using word deconstruction wrong in his opinion)
Masky
(especially with how much they seemed to praise Neon Genesis Evangelion)
Masky
I mean, I think the guy was being somewhat hipsterish, but its true the being darker take on genre isn't same as deconstructing the genre
Masky
@AidanAK47: Some other guy on youtube did video that had actually pretty good point about how Madoka isn't really deconstruction, if you go by definition of "Break it down to parts and then play them straight to show how horrifying it would be in real life"
Anonymous670441
Gente - Ristorante no Hitobito
Kaiser Eoghan
If anything its the hate I have for certain characters that makes it more effective.
Kaiser Eoghan
The obsessional level of attachment is just uncomfortable to me, I don't want to get THAT attached to a non-real character.
Kaiser Eoghan
Its literally just a case of "Okay lets look at this picture of this character, she looks interesting, no feelings or expression from me, apply this fetish, fap, get release, go home. "
Kaiser Eoghan
Or drooling/dribbling/heavy breathing/grinning over the characters. I abhor alot of the anime girls I find attractive or am indifferent, even when looking at ecchi/hentai drawings I'm straight and clinical with it.
Kaiser Eoghan
I mean to each their own. But I really hate the level of emotion/devotion to moe/finding the characters attractive. Such as celebrating their birthdays, going on about how cute/hot they are, how important it is that they're virgins. Or not being being self-aware of how irritating the characters are.
Lenlo
Anime hipster is pretty accurate. His general treatment of the current state of anime is annoying, as is his obsession with moe. Maybe its cause I cant stand moe most of the time, but it bugs me.
Kaiser Eoghan
@Lenlo: Essentially my brothers view on digibro.
Kaiser Eoghan
@Aidan: I don't usually feel the need to correct errors in your reviews as the errors are generally un-important, but I think you meant to say apprentices rather than appearences in the Rakugo review, just bringing that up as it felt like kind of a throw off.
AidanAK47
Which is kinda like saying Madoka wasn't a magical girl deconstruction because Sailor Moon and Nanoha had dark elements too.
AidanAK47
Went and read the reddit comments on it and seems I was right on the money.
AidanAK47
@Lenlo, He's basically a anime hipster. For example, I saw a thumbnail of his which had Saitama on it and below it "Is There Meaning In "Subverting" Shounen Tropes?" and I thought "Okay, he's going to go on about how OPM isn't subversive and then list a bunch of arbitrary examples in an attempt to redefine what is actually subversive"
Lenlo
I have lots of issues with Digibro. Dude has some good points, but other very horrible ones. Some issues he feels strongly about and gets kinda biased on imo.
Anonymous669202
acca looks visually interesting, and I personally really dig this kind of show, but it seems that it's definitely not for everyone
AidanAK47
Time to live up to my word. Four posts incoming.
AidanAK47
Man, Little witch Academia was so good. I disagree with the whole Digibro thing about being able to recognise a great show in it's first episode but watching this makes me think that this really is going to be something special.
AidanAK47
Alright, gonna put in effort today and have 3 or 4 first impressions posts done. That should knock out near half the season.
Kaiser Eoghan
Had a flip through handshakers. Garish is the word I'd use to describe it visually, it takes you out of the show.
Topgavin
ASuperMario From the first minute I can already tell it's by the same people that made K. Those colour filters and the extremely jarring/obvious city CGI is unmistakable.
SuperMario
Hand Shakers, literally makes my hands shaking. It's an abosolute mess. Highly recommended to check it out because it's so terrible it's great to watch
Vonter212
Yeah, and it's also a literal woman in refrigerator plot device, since that the thing that pushes the story forward.
Masky
I'd say that having to hide your sister's body in fridge would count as daaaaaaark and edgy, but when the body is wearing only underwear, and for some reason main character put metal things in fridge to keep body standing(I guess to not knock fridge open from inside?) I think it goes to "exploitation" you are talking about
Vonter212
@Masky - Did someone said doing dark things for drama? That's the bread and butter to get despair. Unless it's for the sake of perversion. Then it's just exploitation.
Kaiser Eoghan
@Masky: His other works dead tube and scumbag go further in the unhinged regard.
Masky
*relies on easy "let's do [x dark thing] for drama!" thing
Masky
Geez, Mayonaka no X Giten is fricking disturbing/disgusting ._. I'm pretty sure that writing relies on e, but I can't help but think mangaka is trying to make corpses sexy.
SuperMario
I found Onihei to be quite good, actually one of the most solid new episode I watched this new season. Guys, check them out
Vonter
I just hope it doesn't fall into the same misstep Kabaneri or Inuyasha or Bleach fall by making a villain so over the top that it crossed the line of not having a satisfying downfall.
Anonymous657941
@Vonter I think they just moved on. I lost interest rather quickly and I guess even the fans did that at some point, like with some other long-running series. There is much more new and more direct "fujo" stuff out there, many of them probably switched. Don't know what happens in the manga but maybe the story got worse or contained things some people didn't like.
Vonter
January will be loli dictator month (for me) :p. World Conquest Zvezda Plot, Youjo Senki: Saga of Tanya the Evil (new), Seraph of the End. For some reason I stumble into three curious series with little power hungry girls. If I can ask, why did Owari Seraph's hype died, I remember back it was mentioned more often. It still has the fujoshi fanart but still, I don't see people bringing it up.
SuperMario
@CATski: well, if you didn't like its first 3 episodes I dont think the rest gonna change your mind. Have you finished Erased then? How did you like it?
SuperMario
But I understand it's difficult to speak in front of camera, get some time to get used to it
SuperMario
@kaiser: I won't commend on poem as I'm terrible at it myself but younneed to work more on presentation Kaiser. Small little things like looking directly at the camera or say "thanks for listening" in the end can connect you to the audience better
Anonymous657071
Ok. I'll give the thing another chance. *clicks torrent* XD. CATski.
Kaiser Eoghan
@Topgavin: You might like centaur no nanami if you like demi-chan.
Kaiser Eoghan
Damn...repeated myself =<
Kaiser Eoghan
There are these things called slam sessions done in bars where people get up and read out stuff in front of a crowd and read stuff out. Actually watching rakugo made me think about practicing for that kind of thing.
Kaiser Eoghan
@Mario: the video I did was of me reading out a short piece of writing I did, a poem. lol I uploaded it to the wrong youtube account too I just realized =P
[link src="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ypBZ2hBDBYs&t=11s
I"] was recording this from my mothers laptops inbuilt cam while reading off my desktop.
SuperMario
@Kaiser: I think it's a good idea for you to try out reviewing movies/stuffs in youtube channel. I'll be very interesting to listen to them
SuperMario
@Topgavin: Agree. Demi-chan was so charming. Definately one of my favorite so far this new season
Topgavin
Demi-chan's first episode was good. Like, really really good. That blonde-haired girl was hilarious, the teacher-student relationship between the MC and the girls is really interesting and the social/practical problems the demi's face make it look like my favorite show so far.
CATski
Ah... ok. Is it really that good or it's just one of those "artsy" animes that tend to get overrated by their ardent fans? I didnt find the rakugo bit interesting.... probably the weakest aspect of the show for me.
Kaiser Eoghan
@Aidan: Why did I read that chapter. Why did I do that to myself.
Kaiser Eoghan
Admittedly yes the premise is not for everyone, but if you stick with it, the flashback arc had some good character work in there.
CATski
Rakugo has a season 2? I watched ep 1 - 3 of season 1 then promptly deleted it. The loud "yankee" dude was annoying. And the anime was boring.
Kaiser Eoghan
Oh man, I've been thinking lately of trying to start some kind of youtube channel. I did a few trial run videos. Its much much harder than it looks, didn't realize how nervy being in front of a video camera was.
Kaiser Eoghan
*a declining art and rakygo halls are closing down
Kaiser Eoghan
As the show continues to mention how "its declining art", that got me thinking of the modern day, how while things like tv and cinemas probably hurt attendances for rakugo performances, the internet has replaced theaters .
Kaiser Eoghan
Ah, now I've watched it. It'll be interesting to see Yotaro's relation to sukeroku's daughter develop. By all intents he should be an irritating character and not as interesting a yakumo based on his personality, but I can't help but like him, example of a goofball character done right.
Anonymous654016
ElDlive is looking good
Kaiser Eoghan
I haven't gotten around to rakugo's second seasons first episode yet =<
Kaiser Eoghan
Just looking at masamunes female protaganist I want to punch her.
Kaiser Eoghan
Vapid would be how I'd describe it, I didn't care about Masamune no revenge but at least there was some life to it.
Kaiser Eoghan
Ah, suzuka I remember a friend telling me when I got halfway through the anime to literally run from it and not continue. I flicked through fuukas first two episodes and played count the cliches.
Kaiser Eoghan
While I definitely got something out of Yojo senki's manga, I found the first episode easier to get through than the manga, in terms of pace and exposition.
AidanAK47
@Masky, Fuuka chapter 135. Read and be amazed.
Masky
Ah sorry ._.; And wait, there is another twist later on? What
AidanAK47
@Masky, Even if it's a crap show don't go posting spoilers on the chatbox.
Oh and that's just the begining, a really dumbass twist happened recently in the manga.
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