Posted by psgels on 25 December 2011 with categories: Anime Reviews, Fate/Zero



First of all, for those who are wondering: Fate/Zero is a prequel of Fate/Stay Night. You don’t need to have seen Fate/Stay Night in order to enjoy this, although it would be wise to first read up on a bit of the terminology, because that is pretty much the only thing that this series assumes its audience to be familiar with.

Now that that’s out of the way: this definitely was a unique and interesting series to watch. It has a few flaws here and there, but on the other side of the coin we have a very original and well researched setting here. This series grabs many classic references and figures from all over history, ranging from Alexander the Great to King Arthur, and puts them all together. Chivalry is a huge theme in this series that gets looked upon from all sorts of different angles.

What’s also great here is that it’s really hard to pinpoint the actual main character in this series. Of course, in theory this should be Saber and all, but you’d be surprised at how little airtime and attention she gets in this series. The character development of some of the other characters is far more interesting, and she’s very often outclassed by the rest of the cast here. In particular Rider is just one of a kind. He’s without a doubt the best character of the bunch and his monologues are incredibly well written. But really: nearly all of the characters here are interesting and colourful, perhaps with the only exception of the rather one-sided Caster-duo.

The main flaw of this series is the pacing. Very often this show just doesn’t flow well. The first episode for example is 50 minutes of random people talking without giving the viewer any reason to care for them, and the battles in this series are often a bit understated because the characters keep interrupting them to talk to each other about their strategies and powers. Fate/Zero spends a lot of its time on building up for the second season. At times this goes at the sacrifice of its pacing.

Still, this is a show that definitely gets better over time, as you get to know more and more of its characters. The characters slowly reveal more about themselves and their backgrounds and motivations. It’s here where the dialogues in this series really shine, to the point where they become the thing to recommend this series for. Make no mistake, the script in this show is very well written here and when this script combines itself with the character development, it’s when this show is at its best.

So yeah, the pacing has issues but really: in a time when anime diverts more and more into teenagers, it’s great to see a series that fully focuses on adults, and actually delivers a really solid storyline here. Seriously, this was one of the most solid series of the past three months.

Storytelling: 8/10 – A few pacing issues, but excellent dialogue.
Characters: 8/10 – A rich and diverse cast that will take a bit of time to fully blossom. Also a lot of the development seems to be saved for the second season.
Production-Values: 9/10 – Yuki Kajiura perhaps doesn’t bring in her A-game for this series, but still pretty solid all around. The animation is very good too, with especially the combination between 2d and CG being very good..
Setting: 9/10 – Well researched, imaginative and quite unconventional.

Suggestions:
Le Chevalier d’Eon
Rose of Versailles
Amatsuki

17 Responses

  1. Chrono says:

    I don’t really watch much anime now but I think Fate/Zero really gave a breath of fresh air into the industry.

    Caster is very much the big bad guy where everyone works to defeat first. However, I find his conversations with Ryuunosuke in the final episode quite interesting, from an atheist’s point of view.

    Can’t wait for the second season! (or more aptly, second half?)

  2. gandalf8 says:

    I for one quite like these sort of series that don’t really have a main character but instead has an equally fleshed out main cast. I never really liked Saber very much, so the move to not focus on a main character was the right choice in my opinion. As for the pacing, I’ve never had any qualms with it. In fact, I even find the way they fought whilst pausing now and then completely natural and not jarring at all like in most shounen series. For example in Saber and Lancer’s first fight, the reason they paused every now and then was so they could feel out and analyze each others strengths and weaknesses. Besides that, as knights, they both relished the opportunity to fight and test their strength against a worthy opponent, so it was really understandable that they wanted to relish their battle.

    Oh well, I guess we’ll just have to wait for the second part to really kick things into a higher gear. These 3 months will probably feel very long indeed..

  3. Starry says:

    Why are you reviewing this show when it hasn’t finished yet…?

    The second half of the show isn’t a second season. It’s just a three month break in between episodes. It’s the same as scoring the other two cour series as one whole.

  4. meow says:

    @Starry

    No, the 2nd half is considered a 2nd season. It even says so in japanese text in the next episode eyecatch. I was expecting 13 episodes though. I thought this series had something like 26 episodes?

  5. takashid says:

    meow: While they may be calling it a second season, in terms of the story, Fate Zero cant be split like this. The first half that just finished was just that: half of a full story. Originally the show was going to continue past this point into January, and it was only after episode 1 aired that ufotable announced the decision to split it and pause till April.

    • meow says:

      The first half that just finished was just that: half of a full story.
      Yep. Quite a cliffhanger. I was hoping to at least resolve the current conflict. I wonder how it will go from here on out. On the other hand, it does build up some nice tension. Reminds me of the recent Unicorn Gundam 4th OVA.

      it was only after episode 1 aired that ufotable announced the decision to split it and pause till April.
      That’s weird. Was any reason given?

      • rawr says:

        They split it to keep up the amazing quality. Remember episode 11’s derp faces? They are splitting it so that doesn’t become the norm for the series later on.

  6. psgels psgels says:

    The reasons why I’m treating this as a single season is simple: consistency. So what if it ends in the middle of a story. There are tons of other serise who also do that.

    There was a time in which I used to wait for a story to become fully finished, but that became just way too problematic. There were shows which delayed their final episodes by months, and there were also tons of other series who had an announced second season, but cancelled it somewhere along the middle. Because of this there is no review of Red Garden, Tsubasa Chronicle or Mushiuta on this site. Fate/Zero isn’t a special construction in any way. It simply announced its episode count beforehand.

    Junjo Romantica also split up its series in two halves after it was first annuonced that it would have 24 episodes, and I also treated both of those as separate seasons.

  7. Aidanak47 says:

    “It has a few flaws here and there”

    ….for example?

    “Chivalry is a huge theme in this series ”

    Not really…

    “The main flaw of this series is the pacing. Very often this show just doesn’t flow well. The first episode for example is 50 minutes of random people talking without giving the viewer any reason to care for them, and the battles in this series are often a bit understated because the characters keep interrupting them to talk to each other about their strategies and powers. Fate/Zero spends a lot of its time on building up for the second season. At times this goes at the sacrifice of its pacing.”

    It seems the only flaw you seem to find is the pacing and it’s very subjective. You didn’t find talking interesting (Which is odd because I believe you praised this fact before)because you didn’t have the background info which would be natural when watching it. After all most people would be inclined to watch the first series before driving into prequels and sequels. (Though to be honest it’s more beneficial to play the game instead)
    If I recall clearly most of your “pacing issues” where because lacking information.

    Come on psgels, this is just bias talking. (Ok, I am probably the bias one as Type moon is my god…)

    • Cholisose says:

      All opinions are biased. Sometimes people will feel a story is really good, while for others it just “won’t click”.
      (For example, I saw the movie Hugo recently, and thought it was one of the most boring films I’ve ever seen–and yet the critics are showering it with praise and confetti. That’s just how it goes. Or for an anime example, there’s Penguindrum, which just felt random and bizarre to me, rather than fascinating and brilliant as it was for most people.)

      Personally I’ve felt Fate/Zero has had excellent pacing, but I’ve also found all the dialogue in this series very well-written, so I’ve never been bored by the long conversations and philosophical musings. In my opinion, all of this have been a big help in keeping Fate/Zero from becoming a mindless action series. The characters seem particularly well thought-out in Fate/Zero, compared to most anime series, which makes it very easy to get invested in its plot.

  8. Kuroichi says:

    One thing you seem to grossly misunderstand, psgels : while this is a chronological prequel, it is in reality the second story of that universe, with F/SN being the first (like it or not). The random characters talking are characters the creators (rightly) expect you to know about already!

    As such, It’s rather ridiculous to say on one hand ” You don’t need to have seen Fate/Stay Night in order to enjoy this”, and then in the next paragraph complain about random characters that you would have known about if you had simply done what you are telling others they don’t need to do (i.e. read the FIRST story).

    From that perspective, I personally saw virtually no pacing issues (with the exception of the Rin episode, which could have taken less than 1 full episode to cover).

    • Anca says:

      I’ve seen FS/N, but I don’t remember anything beyond the whole “Remember that rule? Well, everything that happens in an exception to it” thing the series pulled every second episode. I don’t even remember the anime outright saying that Saber is King Arthur (I didn’t know until someone pointed it out for me later). Well, I remember that the main character is “Emiya Shiro”, that he was a wimp, what happened to Archer, Shiro’s harem and something about Sakura being chained in the finale?

      Still, after Penguindrum this was my favorite series this season. I didn’t see any pacing problems either XD the talk at the beginning was excellent setup.

      • Mike says:

        …I dunno, I’d say Excalibur is a pretty blatant giveaway as to who its wielder is, you might as well have been saying you had no clue the fat old man in the red suit riding the reindeer sleight is santa claus because he wasn’t carrying a neon sign with his name on it over his head.

        and no, Shiro didn’t have a harem, and that was Illya chained up in the end, not Sakura, and what happened to Archer was also pretty obvious…

        It sounds more like you didn’t really pay attention to the show rather than just couldn’t remember :P

  9. hikari says:

    I also didn’t have any pacing issues, it’s probably my bias since i love this series so much(one of my fav TM works aside Rakyou), so i very much enjoy all the talk/long dialog among the charas, even the 1st ep didn’t feel long to me. If there’s any pacing problems, if it’s me probably sometimes it feels short, like suddenly it was over since i already read the whole novel&i know there’s few things they cut here&there(probably cuz i don’t want anything to be cut, especially riderxwaver talks since it’s a whole lot more funny in the novel, but that’s definetely impossible), and so far ufotable has done excellent job in it despite few flaws/dropping here&there. Heck, they already did an excellent job compared to deen fsn adaptation few years ago.

    But, yeah i guess this is just me, since i already familiar with the charas, the theme&the story, especially since all the dialog is well written in here, thanks to Urobuchi, it never become something that to much of techno-buble stuff like index or horizon, so i never get bored. Plus, all of that is important for the second half anyway which is going to be awesome&full of tearjerker(if ufotable play’s it right), but i have faith in them that they’ll do a good job&hopefully with this break they really stock up a whole lot of budget cuz they’ll be needing it for the second half anyway.

    Oh, although it’s already pretty late but Merry Christmas everyone and i hope you have a fantastic holiday.

  10. I’m having an anime marathon right now to Fate/Zero and Everything is doing great for me. I’m quite dissapointed to Saber’s personality and I think it needs to be altered/changed good thing she’s just too cute and her looks compensate for it!

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Now anon, that reminds me, Ash was apparently based off River Phoenix.
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@Anon: You cheeky fiend =P
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If they ever make a live action Banana Fish, they should cast Kevin Spacey as Dino.
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Regarding RErideD and Double Decker, I'm in no rush checking them out now. Will do that after this season wraps up
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Regarding politic, my dad was a Communist so he was pretty tight-lipped when it comes to the topic. Most of the things I learned from how the system works is by listening to him and his colleagues talk over while drinking
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Regarding Ash, yeah it strikes me the same as Ash is is way too perfect in everything (the new talent we found out the last few episodes: superhacker). When he said to Eiji that he never wanted that "gift" in the first place, I honestly don't know which one he was referring to
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I may aswell finish it given that that its the last episode.
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So Planet With ends and the madman actually did it. Besides needing a bit more of a epilogue, that was a great finale.
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@Animosh: I try to understand, make sense of the other sides views within reason.
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I really want a successful fantasy go on an adventure style show though, I feel like I'm genuinely in the mood for one, I've actually considered watching some old ovas of that nature.
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@Animosh: The most common thing my father and I talk about is Brexit really and how once upon a time we actually went after tyrants.
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And even though I have the God thing, never became a burn the witches kind of person. I do want to put the far right/fascist people in gulags though lol
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The Kaiser thing, now that I think about it is actually really odd, I speak minimal German, am no monarchist and am a leftist. Yet even though I hate the bougoiuse , I love aristocratic costumes lol
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Then again, it may not be overly odd, there were Maoist priests.
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@Kaiser-Eoghan: This is pretty common here too. Organized religion isn't popular but most people believe there is a God and, depending on the person and cultural background, that parts of the holy books are true (or not, if they're real agnostics), usually in a metaphorical sense though.
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*upbringing
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That mixed upbringoing of having a communist father and religious relatives is an interesting thing.....for all of the exploitation I watch, I ctually feel nunsploitation is going too far lol I also sometimes check with my dad before watching certain things to make sure it isn't "too anti-left/anti socialist".
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@Animosh: No problem. I think it depends a bit on how people were brought up decades ago. It's probably different nowadays, no idea. The arguing was kinda fun though, especially for the teen me (I bet I annoyed the shit out of my father).
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Yet having no regard for organized religion.
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I however am a mutt though, believer in some kind of a God to an extent....while also having communist sympathies.
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@Animosh@Amagi: As it stands neither my mother or brother are communists, actually my mother while very left wing would criticize my father when going "too communist". My parents and my brother are the only members of my family who could be considered leftist/non-religious.
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@Animosh: Planet With definetely needs some sort of epilogue OVA. You can somewhat guess the dragon's story but it's not the same as seeing it and there are still a few of semi-loose strings like the people who are still dreaming.
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@Amagi: my apologies for my presumptuousness. ;) My mother occasionally also participated in political discussions, but yeah, for some reason it's often men who have strong political opinions and are not willing to admit defeat in discussions.
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Also I don't spoil anything but the last minutes of the first episode just feel stupid. I think/hope there will be an explanation later for how something has worked so perfectly that shouldn't have worked at all. In general it seems to be a show that tries hard but can't deliver for some reason. I won't completely judge it yet though.
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Planet With also wrapped up things nicely. Unfortunately the dragon remains a bit underdeveloped, which makes it difficult for me to care about his fate, and I would have liked to see at least the main ship officially confirmed, but other than that it was an excellent finale that satisfactorily ties up all loose ends. This is how you do a one-cour.
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Regarding RErideD I have conflicted feelings. As said, the premise sounds pretty good but the budget is damn dab, especially for the beginning of a show. There is a scene in which the MC is so badly animated you can't even recognize what's going on at first.
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@Animosh: funny enough I am female, but yeah somehow these discussions only exist with fathers while the mothers are just trowing the towel and say "fuck it", I mean it usually doesn't change anybody's mind so it's more of a hobby I guess.
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It's a bit late, but Hanebado is finally giving me what I wanted from the show: tense, well-animated badminton matches. The match does feel a bit rushed, the overexplaining can be annoying and there's still plenty of melodrama, but it's a lot more enjoyable than what we got in the previous weeks at least.
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will be seeing what kind of flaws Ash has. Also, I think this way of characterizing him also fits into the narrative. This strength that Ash has is what pushes his gang members away and see him not as a normal human, but a "king."
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That was some interesting insight on Ash as a "perfect" person. While I do think that Banana Fish shows that Ash is an extremely capable person time and time again, he cannot win this "war" alone. There's too many enemies and too many things that need to be done. Also, I think as we get further on into the second cour, we
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Also, it's neat watching the first few episodes again after what goes down throughout the first half of the series; you get to see all of the characters together before everything blows up in their face.
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When I say perfect characterization, I should say I mean the way he's characterized as this perfect supremely capable person. The other characters do help reveal other aspects of Ash though: Eiji is his age and allows him to be a normal teenager; Max is like a surrogate father and lets him act like a son; Arthur and Dino are kind of evil inverses of that.
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When I say perfect charac
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Anyways, not to hate on Ash because he's still a fantastic main lead and anchors the whole show. It's just that because he loses sometimes I push some of the problems of his perfect characterization to the side, but when you actually think about it, he seems more like a character than a real person.
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Also the fact that Ash has been through a super tragic backstory doesn't help a lot: it seems like the writers are trying to make him a character who has been through all the tragedy in the world and has overcome it and became the most skilled person in the world. I will say though that any onscreen tragedy is 100% believable, it just some of the flashbacks that are a bit too much.
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I guess that slightly cheapens Ash's character on retrospection: of course he is still the charismatic lead, but he feels a bit too perfect at everything. Dino must have taught him quite a bit, but Ash is skilled in, like, everything. It just seems a bit too much.
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Like the whole Yut-Lung Shorter Eiji situation was beyond Ash (in fact he still knew something was off but couldn't pinpoint what); that wasn't really a mistake Ash made, it was just that he couldn't have known the secret connections Yut-Lung had.
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Something I noticed about Ash is that he is, as some of you pointed out, a Gary Stu but it doesn't immediately jump at you. The thing is that Ash still loses quite a bit, so he doesn't seem invincible, yet at the same I think the majority of his losses were beyond his control. It doesn't feel like he makes mistakes, rather that other people outmaneuver him due to factors beyond him.
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@Kaiser & Amagi: I also had lots of political discussions with my father. Didn't know that was such a common occurrence. Boys will be boys I guess? And he's actually a former Marxist too, having grown up in the 60's-70's and all. Now he's just a boring socialist though. ;)
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RErideD seemed really promising in theory: an original time travel anime written (at least in part) by Abe, with the director of Steins;Gate in charge? Count me in. But unfortunately the reviews so far seem to be uniformly negative. So I'll probably avoid it for now.
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Four episodes of RErideD: Tokigoe no Derrida got uploaded at the same time earlier.
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Its just a saturday, so busy. And Kaiser, nice. Gonna go to the con at all?
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As a writer for it, I dont believe so?
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They used to realease them like single American comic book issues in the west.
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I'm not talking bound volumes but actual 20-30 pages chapters and these would be expensive.
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Or things like Mischief makers .
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I was also always discussing about politics with my father. Whenever we started with this my mother just said "porca putana" and went into another room to watch tv in peace.
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@Animemosh: lol I have daily political discussion with my Marxist-Leninist father just like that =)
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Oh I should state, even though I'm not as bothered by the modern setting, I actually do prefer the cold war narrative.
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@Animosh: The documentries name was Battle of Chile by Patricio Guzman.
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Especially since I don't think that the typical BF audience is of a kind that would lose interest because a series is taking place in the past. It was just written for the 80s, people can't just change that without changing the story itself to some degree.
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@Animosh: I thought the anime did such a good job with Shio's backstory , that I didn't miss what was omitted. The anime is now up to date with the scans. I do agree that Satou's obsession with Shio is non-pedophilic but I think the scene itself is kind of going to give the wrong message.
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@Animosh: one of the many reasons why I would have prefered Banana Fish's original setting.
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By the way, apparently the backstory of Shio's mother - which supposedly is really tragic - was largely skipped. Guess I'll have to read the manga.
Animosh
I get what they're going for, recreating the ritual and all, but I also thought the Shio-Satou moment was a bit forced. I still think their relationship is platonic though. Satou has never been shown to lust after Shio: she just fills her with warmth and happiness. They're more like messed up siblings than (romantic) lovers.
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@Kaiser: sounds interesting! Chile is an excellent example of the kind of Cold War intervention that I really don't see happening today. Although you never know with an impulsive narcissist in the White House.
Animosh
End of monologue. Sorry about this. :p
Animosh
Long story short: I think the Banana Fish conspiracies fail to adequately represent the current situation. At the very least, it fits the Cold War world order much better.
Animosh
That includes the US (backing the Kurds and the rebels), but also Turkey and the Arab states (Sunni rebels), Russia and Iran (Assad), and so on and so forth. You can't act like this is the fault of one party. Hell, I'd say Russia and Assad are more responsible for failing to a peaceful resolution when they had the chance.
Animosh
As for Syria, it's a mess, but the US is only one of many parties responsible. And oil isn't particularly important in this conflict. It's a civil war that's been made much worse by the influx of money and weapons from many different parties vying for regional influence.
Animosh
So what does it do? It gives military and financial backing to militias with shared interests (which is much less than Russia does, by the way), orders drone strikes, and perhaps the occasional tactical strike. But overthrowing countries and setting up puppet regimes? I don't see it happening. That's basically declaring war on the other big powers.
Animosh
And even when it does intervene militarily, it rarely goes all out. The US has learned from Iraq and Afghanistan. It doesn't want to be dragged into another endless conflict, or see its efforts end in another brutal civil war that destabilizes the region.
Animosh
So although the US occasionally still intervenes militarily in other countries' affairs, other means of pressure are now more popular. The sanctions against Iran and North Korea are a good example of this.
Animosh
The current landscape is much more complex. America is still powerful, of course, but relatively speaking it is in decline, and that means it can get away with much less. Today's world is closer to a multipolar world, with many sides fighting for influence. And because the ideological conflict is much less pronounced, the US is much less willing to go against its purported values.
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@Animosh: Coincidentally I recently watched a series of Chilean documentaries regarding the murder of Salvador Allende and the installation of the Pinochet Junta.
Animosh
And that meant both that America was far more powerful than it is now, and that much more intervention was considered acceptable - including shamelessly backing dictators that oppressed and exploited their people. After all, a defeat meant evil would prevail.
Animosh
Obviously the US still interferes in other countries. Quite a lot, actually. But there's a big difference between its current policy and that during the Cold War. Back then the geopolitical landscape was very different. It was bipolar, with two big Isms (capitalism and communism) fighting it out.
Animosh
@anon: not sure if this is the right place for a political discussion, but whatever. I like politics, so here we go.
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*was no exception
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@Animosh: If, out of the many moments in happy sugar life that I'd consider unsettling, it would be the one's with the aunt and this weeks episode was an exception. That last part of the episode will be interpreted as shoujo-ai bait by people though.
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Looking forward to Angels of death next week, I think we're getting answers, glad to get answers on bad guy even if he is a simple villain.
Kaiser-Eoghan
Now this is an interesting coincidence as last night I just got done watching a documentary about cyberwarfare against Iran.
Kaiser-Eoghan
Thats alot more detailed than what I was going to say. I was just going to say that it reflects current foreign policy.
Anonymous2808488
however the current stalemate in Syria is a reflection of the intransigence of the monied elite to not let go of ill-gotten gains, constantly provoking conflict with Russia/Assad/Iran
Anonymous2808488
Its a documented fact the US/EU promoted the Arab Spring/ISIS rebellions and it was stopped by patriots with a conscience
Anonymous2808488
replace with the mexican cartels/Hezbollah, and oil money promised to Cheney-connected Genie enerrgy
Anonymous2808488
its a pretty accurate description of the current reality minus a couple silly things like the mafia and mind control drugs
Anonymous2808488
You guys realize this plot is unfolding in Syria just replace drugs with oil money
Lenlo
Its hokey in the now, but in the original context the series was written, the Cold War, I think it could fit really well.
Animosh
@Kaiser: what felt awkward to you? I thought the pumpkin stuff in particular was pretty hilarious. Eiji is an evil guy. :p
Animosh
Yeah, the conspiracy stuff feels a bit wacky in the present. But in the context of the Cold War, it makes perfect sense. The USA supported plenty of bloody coups after all, especially in Latin America. Hell, they even backed the Taliban in their war against Russia.
Kaiser-Eoghan
In the future I want to make a bigger effort to follow MORE of whats being covered on here seasonally.
Kaiser-Eoghan
http://kissmanga.com/Manga/Red
https://manganelo.com/manga/red_naoki_yamamoto Two history manga, wonder if they'll be fully translated.
Kaiser-Eoghan
I imagine most will probably agree with you anon though. I have alien taste/opinions. I also love conspiracy stuff =P
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Anon: Originally, in the manga version of that part, it was attacking communism in south America.
Anonymous2805624
I don't know; I kinda find the whole Middle East stuff a bit hokey; maybe that's just me.
Lenlo
Im about to watch it. Looking forward to it
Kaiser-Eoghan
I know its only one line, but that they still mention skip and shorter, even its just their names, at least the show keeps them in mind.
Kaiser-Eoghan
With episode 12, Banana fish has successfully contemporized its political/cospiracy aspect for me . Eiji is semi-uselful. Humour in this episode for the first time feels awkward, fast pace kind of means that the quieter slower scenes , though I still enjoy them, feel slotted in.
Lenlo
Most of my emotions this week came because of the original and my love of it, not this one
Lenlo
I agree, Steins;Gate 0 had all the potential, and there are some specific episodes that realized it. Like this episode had a lot of touching scenes cause it slowed down to play up Okabe's relationship with Amadeus. But most of the time, it fails to reach that potential. So as a whole it just feels... lacking
Kaiser-Eoghan
Plebs, not combining both into a single dessert.
Anonymous2802297
I'm talking about that sweet saccharine Chocolate Mousse, the Ganache, or the Chocolate Gâteau. Your puny muffin stands no chance. Mwahaha!
Anonymous2802297
Blasphemy. As a proud American, I can't stand for anything less than pure unadulterated diabetes-inducing sugar in chocolatey cake form. Anything less is an insult to my great nation. /s
SuperMario
@anon2801739: that's a nice analogy but I can't say I agree as I prefer chocolate muffin much more than chocolate cake :)))
Anonymous2801739
Steins;gate 0 is all potential but generally it's wasted. Whenever it actually seems promising they manage to jump plot points to boring nonsensical melodrama for a century. It was supposed to be a chocolate cake. Instead what we got was a muffin with tiny chocolate chips buried few and far between. Yeah it's still sweet at some points, but most of the time you're chewing through pointless fluff.
Lenlo
Like I said in my last post on it I think, the pacing is fucked
Animosh
I did like that the lab members finally acted like scientists again, methodically thinking through their options and all, and there were some pretty touching individual moments and nicely tied up ends. But mostly I'm just annoyed by all the unfulfilled potential of this show.
Animosh
I also hated the backtracking in the beginning. Don't make such a big deal of The Return if you're going to throw it out of the window in the next episode.
Animosh
I really don't understand Steins;Gate's pacing. It slows down to a trickle in the largely irrelevant middle part, and now that things are finally getting somewhat interesting again it just speeds through everything without building things up properly? I don't get it. And how on Earth are they going to resolve everything satisfactorily in one episode?
KTravlos
Reinhard (old series). Ash is interesting and depicted well, but not close to Reinhard. There is something noble in Reinhard, something beyond charisma.
Anonymous2797046
In a charisma battle between our two favorite Blond Boys (doing what blond boys do), who'd win: Reinhard or Ash?
Kaiser-Eoghan
Kind of felt this is what prelude penultimate episode/calm before the storm episode should be and I liked quite liked the ginko and souya scene, but I'm still eh, I shrug at this.
Vonter
After watching some more Star vs. the forces of evil. I'm getting Jitsu wa Watashi wa vibes. The Sailor Moon-like character episode was cute.
Kaiser-Eoghan
The bullying arc in sangatsu made me want to shootup the school.
Lenlo
I will admit, the family life stuff is less engaging than the crippling depression, but I dont think that would hit as hard with out the relaxing bits in between. Dont want to overload the audience.
Anonymous2791561
3-gatsu no Lion has its ups and downs; its ups are the intense emotional drama or shogi matches, while it's downs are the more relaxed slice of life food porn stuff. When I say up and down, I don't necessarily mean good and bad, just more about the intensity. I personally found that I could enjoy both styles, but sometimes I'd find the slice of life stuff dragging on.
SuperMario
Well, I regard 3-gatsu as one of the best character-writing in this medium in recent years. As for shaft, I'm their fan but even me was worried when I learnt Shaft adapting this. They did a nice job thankfully
Kaiser-Eoghan
Though I was glad that the comedy becomes more reigned in later on.
Kaiser-Eoghan
I got used to the tonally discordant humour eventually, accepting that the show essentially exists in two plains.
Kaiser-Eoghan
In tsukiyomi moon phase Shinbo made some of the shots look like photos, which was cool given the protaganists profession. Their weird style also was a good fit for an oddball show like Zetsubou-sensei.
Lenlo
I just finished the 4th episode, and so far I am torn on Akari. Im still not sure what to make of some of these relationships. I love the permeated depression theme in every episode though.
Kaiser-Eoghan
I wonder if it will get a third season.
Kaiser-Eoghan
I want Akari to be my mom.
Kaiser-Eoghan
Hmmm only 9 out of 13 volumes adapted, which means the anime hasn't adapted the best bit.
Kaiser-Eoghan
Unfortunate that the sangatsu manga doesn't update often.
Kaiser-Eoghan
While I haven't seen it, I heard that vocaloid thing shaft adapted was very poorly suited to their style.
Lenlo
If a drama can actually make me feel something, actual emotions, then its a success. But it takes a pretty good, well made drama to do that.
Lenlo
I am very particular about my Drama'
Lenlo
Im planning on burning through the whole thing in the next few days. Maybe then ill try the manga, since there is probably more
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Lenlo: I didn't think your lie in April or sangatsu would actually be your thing. They're very drama-ey.
Lenlo
Basically im with Kaiser on this one. As for Shaft, I am very show by show with them. I couldnt stand Nisekoi, yet Sangatsu's color palette and way of drawing faces really has me
Lenlo
See, so far it has a very Mushishi/Fune wo Amu/Your Lie in April feel to me. I love these kinds of things animated, because I feel the music and color-choices really help set things in the mood.
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Mario@Lenlo: We can be Kanabros for life all three of us ;)
Kaiser-Eoghan
But in general I do think shafts style lends itself at its best to more comedic work.
Kaiser-Eoghan
I actually felt that shafts style elevated their adaptation of Sangatsu. I find it easier to watch these slow paced shows than reading them. Also Kana Hanazawa.
SuperMario
Shaft's style can be a hit or miss with the audience, however. While I don't mind that, I still would recommend you try the manga instead
SuperMario
Oh, so you still have, like, 40 episodes left
Lenlo
Huh. Finally got around to March Comes in Like a Lion, gotta say. 3 episodes in, its pretty good
Kaiser-Eoghan
Speaking of it though, I wish they'd get that proposed new Vampire hunter D anime off the ground.
Kaiser-Eoghan
Though my memory on this is extremely fuzy.
Kaiser-Eoghan
Y'know, I saw an article there on anime news network referring to the second vampire hunter D film, I know I watched it years and years ago, loved it, but I forget the plot, thinking about it now, how was the dude D was after supposed to survive without blood after buggering off to space alone with the girl?
Anonymous2786239
Amen to that
Anonymous2785164
I read blogs to see opinions on anime, not to read about how blog writer is much better than some youtuber I probably have never heard of :D
Anonymous2785164
Anyway, don't any of you guys let that get up to your head :p I'm also annoyed whenever media producers start mocking each other and setting themselves up as better.
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