Posted by psgels on 23 March 2012 with categories: Anime Reviews

I have been following the Noitamina timeslot ever since 2005. At this point, I’ve watched and completed every single anime to appear in the timeslot, save for one, so yes: I do not say this easily: Guilty Crown has been the worst Noitanima series I have ever seen.

This is a combination of a hype that it miserably failed to live up to, plain bad storytelling and a ton of wasted potential. Here we finally had another Noitamina series that was allowed to go on for two cours with 22 episodes. In a timeslot where the biggest problem is being too short this really is an amazing chance, and even more of a bummer to see it trashed like this. This show is stupid, badly told, boring, inconsequential, and most important of all: it’s empty.

Seriously, this series does not know how to tell a story. This show has the idea that as long as it pulls enough plot twists, it’ll automatically get good. It wants this so badly, that it starts pulling these twists right out of its ass. Especially the second half of the series just keeps pulling the most convenient deus ex machina right from out of bloody nowhere. “Oh, we need this power to keep going, oh wait, that character conveniently had that power, even though it was never mentioned or hinted at before!” – and that’s just one of the least insulting ones.

Okay, so the plot is bad. On its own that’s not automatically a failure if the show has enough to make up for it. The thing is however: this show doesn’t. It looks pretty and all, but I can’t really recommend it for anything. In fact, the plot isn’t even the worst part of this show. No, that honour belongs to the cast of characters.

Shu has got to be the worst main character that I’ve seen in a long while. I mean, you really have to try to be as bad as him. This is the kind of guy of which the creators never really decided what personality they should get him. The result is that he completely changes character with every passing episode with no explanation behind it whatsoever. Whatever is the most convenient for the plot, he acts like that. The result is an incredibly annoying, inconsistent and bafflingly stupid character.

And the thing is: the entire show revolves around this loser. Every character is tailor-made to revolve around him, even though we’re never given a reason to actually like him. Everyone is forced into this role to help him tell his story… whatever the hell that may be. The lead female… is completely useless for the entire length of the show. I know that we often joke with romantic interests being pointless, but this girl is even worse. She literally does nothing other than talk here and there and go emo once in a while. The rest of the side-cast also isn’t better of, as they fit in with whatever role the male lead seems to want to play at the moment, acting as cannon fodder for him. The antagonists are just a bunch of screaming stereotypical evil guys who like to kill people because… well… because.

It’s very likely that this show had the biggest budget of the past half year. And yet, I wouldn’t rank the animation as the best or most interesting here. The show has great inbetween animation, but it hardly ever does anything interesting with its eye candy or direction. I found myself enjoying the visuals of Nisemonogatari, Black Rock Shooter, Milky Holmes, Last Exile and Chihayafuru much more, because they actually tried to bring their characters to life. Guilty Crown doesn’t even attempt to do that.

Overall, the first half of Guilty Crown is mind-numbingly boring. Hardly anything really seems to happen in it at all. This completely changes in the second half when it pulls the most bafflingly convenient plot twists that would make Code Geass cringe. And you know what? It’s still boring. It’s been a while since a show that was this hyped, that was this ambitious, fell so flat on its face as here. I read in an interview once that the creators want to make the male lead into the new Shinji Ikari of Evangelion. And indeed, parts of this show scream “Evangelion wannabe”. These guys however had no bloody clue what made that show good.

Storytelling: 6/10 – Mind-numbingly stupid, boring and empty. Has no idea how to tell a good story and just pulls random twists whatever is the most convenient.
Characters: 5/10 – I really have nothing positive to say about these guys whatsoever. There was no character whatsoever who I liked. Everyone revolves way too much around the male lead. Everyone here is exceptionally bad.
Production-Values: 8/10 – Okay, the series does have pretty graphics, but with the budget it has it could have done so much more.
Setting: 6/10 – Who on earth green-lighted this? The setting behind this feels like no thought was put into making it actually work. Again, it centers way too much to the male lead, instead of the other way around.

Suggestions:
Toward the Terra
– Neon Genesis Evangelion
Eden of the East

85 Responses

  1. daigo says:

    I love you reviews psgels, pretty accurate.

    I never see a review of Neon Genesis Evangelion (original series) of you.

    Is that polemic? too review eva?. what is your score to evangelion XD

    • Sei says:

      I think he seldom reviews anime that is too old and, well, everybody already know (Everybody knows Evangelion). But based on his review of the movie, i think he enjoyed the original series a lot.

  2. Armpit says:

    I’d give it a 72/100 , but i agree with almost everything you said in the review.

    Shu is certainly a bad main character, but he is nowhere near as bad as your typical harem lead , although i have a feeling you don’t watch many harems. If you don’t watch harems then yea he is one of the worst main characters. I think what makes it worse is that most of the time terrible main characters tend to come from 12-13 episode generic series. In a 20+ episode production ig/noitamina series there really isn’t an excuse for how bad Shu is.

  3. Anon says:

    You are being way too lenient scoring this anime. Especially after that ending and the excruciating voyage to get there.

  4. Armpit says:

    Too lenient eh? I’d say that applies more to his Fractale review than this one. I know a bunch of people , myself included , who think Fractale is the worst Noitamina series ever.

    • Anon says:

      I’d like to pretend that Fractale never happened. So much wasted potential.

      Both of these shows were pretty though, especially Guilty Crown. But high production values can’t make up the problems with the script.

      • Venterion says:

        “But high production values can’t make up the problems with the script.”

        Nothing to see.

      • zhai2nan2 says:

        _Guilty Crown_ makes _Fractale_ look like _Nausicaa_.

        • Armpit says:

          Fractale looked nice. I think it had a better world setting than GC, but it didn’t have anywhere near the same budget per episode.

          Plus Fractale had 1 extremely good episode that came early on , and a bunch of mediocre to bad episodes.H3ll Fractale even had filler. Filler in a series that couldn’t even produce a coherent well executed story. Makes a lot of sense.

  5. daigo says:

    I give Guilty Crown, 75/100

    It was generic, and pull twists like Code Geass R2.

    A casual anime viewer will like this.

    It was better that those low budget shonen.

    Still mediocre

    • Armpit says:

      Bingo

      Although i see similarities with Code Geass , i still liked Code Geass a lot more. Maybe because it was actually coherent up until ep 5 or so of R2 , and because Lelouch >>>>>>>> Shu.

    • Et2012 says:

      I think many generic shonen are actually better-executed than this show. Mostly because they build characters you want to root for.

      I care far more about the characters in the new version of Hunter X Hunter than I ever did about Shu or anyone else from Guilty Crown.

  6. Ichi says:

    I pretty much liked Fractale, except for the end, as for Guilty Crown…. It was just very bad.

  7. Kaiser Eoghan says:

    I agree on Fractale, largely based on what a waste of potential that whole show was and that I really didn’t like the male lead and that info dump of a (near) ending.
    I gave Guilty crown 14 episodes and then tapped out feeling that it was going nowhere, was wholly unoriginal ,made little sense, was contrived and boring in its plot and main character.
    Visually however it was great and I enjoyed the action scenes but it was all style and no substance.

    • Armpit says:

      I agree with this as well. The only reason i am even debating on this subject is because it irritates me how people are biased , or allow other things to cause the super negative opinions.

      In the case of GC people are going way overboard with the negative stuff simply because of how over-hyped it was , and because it got a massive budget.

      Anyone who watches at least half the animes per season, and can use logic, will see that GC is plain mediocre.

      • Anon says:

        Well, speak for yourself. I had no preconceptions whatsoever going into either Fractale of GC – haven’t even heard of them until watching the first episode. Just because someone despised an anime, it doesn’t follow that she was biased against it from the start.

  8. starry says:

    If the characters are bad and you didn’t like anybody (especially the lead) why is it a 5? A 5 is plain average/mediocre, a 1-3 is terrible. Same could be said for the other scores too…

    • Armpit says:

      I’d give a 9.5 on visuals 9.0 on music a 5 on characters because other than Shu i found most tolerable and a 4.0-5.0 on story simply because it wasn’t that bad other than the numerous parts that didn’t make sense , or weren’t explained. Still most anime nowadays have deus exes all over the place and unexplained plot holes. Most animes however don’t have the visuals or music this has.

    • Souther says:

      psgels has a custom rating system that doesn’t work exactly like the usual scales, so it’s meaningless to argue about this any further.

  9. Armpit says:

    I actually usually agree with psgels rating system , but every now and then i see a head scratcher like GC. I feel like he got sucked in to the pre release hype , and the hype because it had Production IG and noitamina behind it.

  10. Souther says:

    Without going into too much detail, Guilty Crown definitely suffered because of Shu’s general weakness and Inori’s almost complete passivity. This could have been adequately compensated if they changed over time or if Gai and the other characters were significantly better, but they didn’t really have the opportunity to fully develop either. It’s disappointing and perhaps 22 episodes just wasn’t enough, but we’ll never know if there was any other alternative.

    Admittedly, Shu eventually became more of a man, in a certain sense, but not in a particularly exciting nor interesting way. It was all rather typical and predictable. I didn’t care for the incest subtext found throughout the plot either, which was taken to the extreme with the whole Mana/Inori debacle.

    In the ending, Guilty Crown was simply too boring and a real slog to sit through. Even if I don’t really agree with psgels on Code Geass, the fact is that other show also had some writing and characterization issues but it still benefited from being a longer series and thus having more of a preexisting base before the twists came in. Guilty Crown feels like an incomplete and inconsistent attempt to do something similar, but with even worse results.

  11. Armpit says:

    Wow Souther very eloquent , and also a very accurate post.

    On the Shu topic, i don’t know if it was just me, but i disliked him a lot because of a single event. When the girl who liked him died and he actually became badass for a short while. It gave me hope that i never should of had. If i didn’t have that hope, i would of just chalked Shu up as a normal male generic lead that we see so much these days, and wouldn’t of been so mad.

    Also strongly agree on the unneeded incest subtext. I also strongly agree that this series would of highly likely been more passable if it got the episodes that Code Geass did. I really have no clue what they were thinking. Maybe it would of also been better off if they didn’t air this until the spring season. About 30% of the way in i felt like they were making stuff up on the spot and that is inexcusable to me when a budget like this is involved.

    • AidanAK47 says:

      Armpit, to me Shu(Or the more suitable name “Shoe”) was the downfall of guilty crown. The biggest flaw. Psgels said before that one episode of guilty crown was decent because Shu didn’t make an appearance. And when you think about it the most annoying moments of this show was when that idiot was on screen. You said harem leads are worst but I disagree with that. Harem leads are pretty much plot devices. Their only job is to stand there and be loved by girls for no reason. They don’t really inspire hatred because they are pretty much a blank stale for poor bastards to paste their personality on.
      Shu on the other hand is a character that pretends to have character. He’s like a very poor actor. He joins the undertakers despite having no real reason for doing so. Doesn’t really care about Japan. Has no real goal. But despite the fact that the only thing that defines him is a power that isn’t even his everyone loves him for some reason or thinks he’s special. Even if he commits terrible mistakes he is absolved of all blame and even someone who was almost killed just because Shu didn’t want to waste air in the end has to forgive Shu because he was clearly in the wrong…. apparently. Shu can even cheat on a test and is forgiven because he was just using something that made him special. So basically everyone sees him as a Mary sue but we know better. Thus making him one of the most annoying characters I have ever seen.

      If you remove him from the show guilty crown actual becomes fairly watch-able. Still stupid but not quite as bad as before.

  12. Kaiser Eoghan says:

    I’m possibly alone in this but I would see Shu as being just as bad as harem lead. At least in Code Geass Lelouch had charisma and was at least we were told was clever, Shu is such an everyman that he feels like a self insert character, just as harem leads are and I think this is further supported by the moe aspects of the show. Still despite saying all that I somewhat agree with you Aidan by saying he’s like a bad actor.

  13. Kaiser Eoghan says:

    Feel free to contest/debate that view or tell me if theres anything off about it off course.

  14. Kaiser Eoghan says:

    And incest, for lords sake they even threw that fetish in. I’m really glad I didn’t finish this show.
    Whats awful though is that I can watch bad anime and get a laugh out of it as a guilty pleasure or make fun of it/laugh at it but here I couldn’t even do that.
    With Code Geass that wasn’t the case for me, I deem that every bit as ridiculous but in its case Geass became unintentionally fun because of it.

  15. Armpit says:

    Lelouch wasn’t a bad character no matter how you slice it anyway. Sure Code Geass had problems , especially in R2, but that wasn’t because it had a bad lead.

    And actually Aidan you have swayed me quite a bit with your post. It is completely true that harem leads are almost always just plot devices. And even if i do find the typical harem lead , not all of them because there are exceptions like Akuto from Ishiban Daimao, to be a tad worse than Shu , i have to factor in what you mentioned. So yes i now agree with you and have changed my opinion ! Shu is worse because he is in an anime that was supposed to be good and original , and not mindless fun like harems are supposed to be.

    Like i said before though i really hate Shu.So i don’t know if i’m letting bias cloud my judgement. Those 3 episodes out of 22 that i like Shu made everything worse in the end.

  16. Armpit says:

    Code Geass is similar to GC in how it generates hate, albeit for slightly different reasons. In regards to Code Geass it’s because it has a lot of fanboy/girls that claim its the best anime ever , or one of the best.

    If i were using psgels rating system id probably give Code Geass like a 82/100.

  17. Kaiser Eoghan says:

    Whats worse though is why there had to be a moe element here at all. Especially Inori. Look, yes she was attractive I’m not going to lie about that, I like moe I admit that but I’m so sick of it showing up where I feel it shouldn’t/doesn’t belong and its all the worse because Shu feels to me like a self insert character.

  18. Kaiser Eoghan says:

    Its easy to get caught up in the hype of Geass and Guilty crown if followed when their airing but any thought given to either could at least in my case realize how trite both are.

  19. Armpit says:

    Honestly Inori had one good part for me in the entire anime, and that’s not good for someone who took up the 2nd most screen time. The only time i enjoyed her was the measly 3 mins when she transformed into that beastly form. Too bad her deus ex morphing like that negated the coolness of it.

  20. Kaiser Eoghan says:

    Also does anyone agree with what people say about this show being misogynistic?
    I apologize if anything I’m saying here comes off as too rantish but I feel should defend what I said regarding the moe elements of GC, I said that they shouldn’t belong there in a mech show, to me its the same and equally annoying as watching a moe harem comedy show that shoehorns in fake drama and angst near the end without indicating or touching on drama from the start.

  21. Sei says:

    At the end of the day, there’s nothing we could say that matter. Shoe and that emotionless Rei-wannabe chalked up the popularity poll I think. The DVD and Blu-ray sells like hot cakes. An anime only need smooth animation, nice art, nice music, hot babe and pretentious plot to sell those days, maybe.

    Dear god don’t make it the new standard for anime from now on.

  22. Armpit says:

    I don’t know about misogynistic , but i know that as every minute passes with me thinking about GC i like it less and less. And i started out thinking it was mediocre.

    I think about Code Geass which i found extremely entertaining with a bunch of flaws. It makes me think if GC at least made the characters somewhat likeable then it would of been way more entertaining. I mean Code Geass with all it flaws, still had interesting characters , and quite a few of them. Shu can’t hold a candle to Lelouch. Inori can’t compare to CC.

    I really think GC should of been held back til spring so they could of went over the script again. There were some good and interesting ideas in GC, but they all fault like they were just thrown together, and made up on the fly in some instances.

  23. 祈是条母狗 says:

    祈是条母狗,谁要谁牵走;祈是个臭逼,谁要谁来上

  24. Kaiser Eoghan says:

    The differences between Inori and CC are most apparent in the fact CC was an actual character (as was Lelouch far from what Shu was)and not and maybe I’m being too harsh here, a little sex doll more than anything else.

  25. Armpit says:

    I think the guy who called her a rei wannabe had it right.

    I think i’m going to marathon the series again in like 6 months and see what i think before i assign a rating to it. The more i think the more Aidans point sets in for me. I think about Shu and then i think about the typical male harem lead. They have almost all the same qualities with 1 big difference. Shu is a whiney b^tch who was emo for literally 75% of the series. The typical harem lead never goes emo , and if he does its for a few mins in an episode or 2.

  26. Kaiser Eoghan says:

    Given what you said about re-watching it armpit, I may do just that. I try to to where possible watch something at least twice, just in case or if I find my interests change.
    It may be entirely possible that in whatever time I choose to re-watch it I will have a different view on it.

  27. nymbryxion says:

    While the premise is similar to Code Geass, and is as much of a train wreck as R2. The biggest difference why people like Code Geass more (still had a lot of hate too) was that the protagonist was interesting. The biggest problem with Shu in guilty crown, was he is a stereotypically weak protagonist (like a lot of harem shows), and he doesn’t try to engage in conflict or solve problems. Rather the main character is a wuss for majority of the show and tries to just run away and doesn’t seem to do much (so the writers essentially had to make the situation occur by coincidence near the protagonist to get him to react at all). Also, the idea with Guilty Crown I felt was they wanted to gradually bring Shu from a weak person to a strong leaderlike role. But this occurred way too late and had a lot of consistency problems to do so. Meanwhile Code Geass, despite its flaws, the protagonist Lelouch was interesting. Unlike other heroes, he was ambitious and wanted to actually do things in the story and cause trouble. Plus, having the protagonist willing to kick puppies to reach his goal is always refreshing to the stereotypical hero crap we see all the time (not to say that plot didn’t have any flaws, it jumped around a lot too in R2).

  28. Mormegil says:

    Yep. This or Jyu-Oh-Sei for worst anime to air on the Noitamina block. Pick your poison. Plain and simple, they both sufferered from atrocious writing.

  29. Commenter says:

    Personally I liked some parts of this show, and I didn’t think that Shu was a bad character. For one he seemed to react in a believable way in many situations. He doesn’t have the moments of predicting the most outlandish things and seeing the future like others in this genre(looking at you, Lelouch).

    This show definitely wasn’t without flaws though, like how there were simply a couple of characters that were just there but never used by the plot in a meaningful way. Or the technobabble that is the mark of poor writing. Though the final cardinal sin this show did was bringing back Gai. I personally was glad to see that annoyance die halfway through the show. He was just not very interesting and bringing him back to life after he was killed not only cheapened earlier episodes, it also made clear how little he had to do with the plot of the latter part. His goals were achieved at the halfway point. They brought him back together with his part of the plot. And this was weird. It was as if the writers decided to make this a two-parter though copying the first part but changing the details here and there.

    TL;DR: So here we are now. Why did you, who loathe the show, watch it to the very end?

  30. Da5id says:

    I wonder, is this the lowest score you’ve given a show?

  31. momotsu says:

    GC’s pacing, story and character are indeed atrocity, I admit. No need for further discussion with those issues.

    But, Crap, After I saw your score with the production, you review is full of bias, 8/10?? are you kidding me?
    GC’s production is fantastic. Both animation 2D/CG and music are really superb. Far better than Lase Exile Fam or the most of serie that you give 9/10 or 10/10.

    As you mention about the budget, did you see its actual pay sheet or it is just your clueless guess??
    If it is the latter, I’m disappointed.

    Please, I know you hate this serie, but please , give it some deserved justice.

    • walker says:

      The animation is good, but it’s often focused on the most useless places. The display of emotions was just slight widening or narrowing of eyes, while more interesting movements were going on with the hair and boobs.

      Another thing: maybe it’s just me, but the shots, composition and camera angle seem quite general for such a hyped up production.

  32. anon says:

    I almost completely agree with your review, though the score I’d give it is much lower.

    I didn’t even think it was possible for me to hate a cast of characters as much as School Days’ cast but this series almost got there. So many inconsistencies, stupid and mindbogglingly choices. They seemed to be only there to serve the plot, which wasn’t good either.

  33. Armpit says:

    I didn’t realize School Days was hated that much on this site. It’s a show people usually love or hate , but seems almost everyone here hates it.

    I can’t hate it. The main character was a huge douche , but was nothing like the typical harem lead so i can’t hate on him. Almost all the girls were tramps, but again that is so different from your typical harem where the girls are usually just d%ck teases so i can’t hate on that either. And the ending was absolutely hilarious for me even though that wasn’t what they intended i’m sure.

    • AidanAK47 says:

      I like school days. The shock factor was excellent and it does make you feel for the characters even if it’s done cheap and manipulative. It’s not the best anime but you got to admit that it had balls. Plus, it’s an excellent anime to traumatise the hell out of newbies…

      • Armpit says:

        Absolutely agree. Now for someone who doesn’t watch many harems i can understand them giving it a horrible rating. For anyone who watches a lot of harems like i do though there is no way to hate on School Days.

        On a Harem Scale i’d give School Days a 95/100 because it is so unique in comparison to other harems. In overall terms id give it probably a 75/100

        • magi.touma says:

          Then White Album should be rated as 100/100, considering how much it broke the convention of your usual harem…

          • Armpit says:

            Yea i will be checking it out soon because of recommendations from the community here. I look forward to it.

          • AidanAK47 says:

            Not at all. White album is a harem that tried to apply soap opera drama to it. In the end many the aspects of a harem were presented unaltered. But even then I find it hard to call that show a harem despite the fact it has the qualifications. Wasn’t it more a drama?

            But to me that show was a complete bore. 26 episodes and I didn’t even get a conclusion to the romance. Normally I wouldn’t hope but this was a VN adaptation so I thought they would pick at least one of the girls endings.

          • Armpit says:

            Woah he doesn’t get any girl in the end? I know he has sexual relations with at least one girl in the series, and has a bunch more after him and he ends up alone?

            I don’t want to sit through 26 ep’s of drama for that. It’s annoying enough when the guys in normal harems don’t choose anyone , but at least you usually get some laughs out of it, and occasionally some awesome action scenes.

            With School Days it was only 12 episodes and it didn’t just rely on soap operaish drama

  34. Kaiser Eoghan says:

    Based on your thoughts on school days and my comments on it in the shoutbox I reckon you’d like white album armpit.
    And I agree with you armpit, even though I’m happy to accept a generic harem as enjoyable to me, school days still went that extra mile and offered something different.
    Didn’t feel as if it was playing it as safe or as self conscious as most post 80s/90s harems.

  35. Kaiser Eoghan says:

    Aidan, I don’t think the guy in white album really deserved a girlfriend to be perfectly honest with you.
    Also I’m sorry if this sounds rude but can we move this over to the chat box instead, this is a review about guilty crown not the harem genre and school days.

    • Armpit says:

      I think its probably better here than to spam up the chat box. Not to mention spoilers aren’t allowed there. With all the hate GC has got we may as well use it to our advantage.

    • AidanAK47 says:

      I agree but seeing as we were not going to get a “Nice boat” end I think it would have been more satisfactory to see him learn the error of his ways and actually clean up his act. Seeing him break up with the girls he didn’t want and apologise truthfully would have been a far more suitable end. But what happens in the in end? He’s screws a bunch of girls, causes them great misery and gets away with Scott free. Not to mention he learns absolutely nothing from it and the girls don’t even hate him. At least school days got the moral right. You screw around, it will come back and kill you.

      • magi.touma says:

        I guess that the nice boat stuff and the moral of the story isn’t really required when you watching an anime (or,at least for me), I enjoyed White Album for its unexpected twists, the characters emotions (I’d applause the VAs for doing a really good job at it,i.e. Nana Mizuki),and its character development.

        The dramas in WA is at much higher complexity,and therefore quality than in SD.Really, when watching SD, you can just watch the 1st episode and skip to 12th without miss anything. In WA,however, if you do that.. you’ll scratching your head.

        • Armpit says:

          I haven’t seen WA so i can’t be sure, but still i don’t think you can even compare the drama between 2 shows.. From the comments i’ve seen it seems like WA would be considered drama/harem. I would classify SD as psychological/harem.

        • AidanAK47 says:

          Magi, in the end White album amounted to nothing. Nice boat or a moral isn’t exactly necessary…but all stories need a point. So why care about the drama or twists of white album when it doesn’t even result in anything?

  36. Armpit says:

    Yea Makoto got what he deserved.He knew that he was actually ruining peoples lives and didn’t care. So many of the people i’ve talked to that hate School Days almost always have 1 thing in common. The mention how much they hate the main lead. And i have seen some people going deep into it explaining how mad they got.I’ve seen this in forums and in comments on streaming vids.

    I always want to ask these people a couple things, but never do because i know it will just start a fight that isn’t rational. If you hate the guy that much then didn’t they do a good job? How can you say you hate the series because of a bad character , yet not acknowledge that you are supposed to not like him?

    And to top it all off he got what he had coming in the end. It isn’t like he got away with it.

    • Kaiser Eoghan says:

      As I said I think Touya from white album didn’t deserve to be with anyone. However he did acknowledge he was replacing his girlfriend in the end. I also think white album played it more realistically than school days even in its ending.
      And while I can curse Touya for sleeping around and kissing other girls, having more time for other women I can still turn it around and see it another way that his relationship with Yuki was not a healthy/feasable one.

    • Sei says:

      Well, a lot of people hated the characters of school days because it was badly done. His changes in personality makes no sense at all, the girls are reduced to sex object or outright obsessed with that guy for no reason viewer could understand. I appreciated it effort to make its story apart from other harem, but still, in order to do that, characters have to be real character, not walking caricature.

      • Armpit says:

        His change in personality made no sense? He was basically a sociopath which means he was born that way. And to be honest i witnessed many of girls like that during my school days. Young girls are not smart when it comes to relationships (in general there are always exceptions though). Girls are more mature and smarter on average than boys of the same age , but when it comes to love/dating/romance thats a different story.

        I will fully admit though about halfway in stuff started unrealistic everywhere. I doubt what he did would of drove 1 girl insane, much less two. There is no way that ending made sense. I just don’t nitpick at that stuff , especially when i know i’m watching a harem. I was entertained greatly, therefore i enjoyed it.

        And for the record, i can easily see how many people would hate SD ,and i wouldn’t try to say they were wrong. I am only against the people who solely hate it because of the main character.

        • Kaiser Eoghan says:

          Have a read of my most recent comment if you can regarding Makotos personality change, I do believe he was a sociopath yes but I have to wonder if that was a result of his upbringing rather than being born that way. And then theres the influence of that bastard he was hanging out with who in a sense raped Kotonoha, who knows what kind of effect that guy had on Makoto’s mind.
          Am I just over-analyzing this?

          • Armpit says:

            You aren’t over analyzing it.If you ever play the game you learn a lot more. Still even if he wasn’t a sociopath , that’s not out of character for a male his age. A bunch of males at that age think with their lower head and don’t care about the consequences.

            But yea he was a sociopath for sure. He knew all the trauma he was causing and kept going. That is where he differs from a normal guy that age.

          • Kaiser Eoghan says:

            I would have been the opposite of Makoto in that sense of sociopathy but I agree with that alot of men that age think the way you mentioned. In a way and this is in a lesser extent to why I can say something bad about Makoto but moreso the guy from white album, is that both of them and what they did with women made me regret when I myself was unfaithful when I was a teenager.

          • Kaiser Eoghan says:

            And Makoto as far as I recall was damn worse in the game…holy hell if I remembered right didn’t he bang Kotonoha’s sister too in the VN?

      • Kaiser Eoghan says:

        I also think that my previous comment justifies Makoto’s change of tune.

  37. Kaiser Eoghan says:

    And I agree that the fact we hate Makoto because we’re meant to and he’s not a bad character. Yeah I hate the guy as a person but as a character he’s original/innovative for the genre.

  38. Armpit says:

    I was getting that vibe from all the comments.Meaning that i had a feeling WA would be more realistic than SD. In SD the characters acted realistic for close to the first half of the series,then it quickly turned into ridiculousness. Although it was still entertaining. Think ill also start WA sometime during this week.

    • AidanAK47 says:

      I don’t know Armpit. White album is downright boring. Even Psgels admits in his review that the first season is pretty bad. But I found the second season to be not great either.
      Let me just say that you shouldn’t go into it expecting anything great. Actually, now that I think about it I can barely remember any of the story. That’s usually a bad sign.

  39. Kaiser Eoghan says:

    Actually you could say that Makoto had depth as a character and even explain his behaviour, theorize at least that its partly due to his family background, I recall his parents were seperate and divorced and then look at his relationship with Kotnoha, she let him do nothing. Okay maybe I’ll get alot of hate for this but…a relationship that does not provide sex for one or either party in it is a poorly functioning one.

  40. alt says:

    This review is why I like your blog.

  41. lol says:

    I get your review, but I honestly find it biased that you only gave it a 8/10 for production values.

  42. Snowolf says:

    To be honest, I’m surprised psgels didn’t give this a 4/10; and those four points are for the animation and music, if anything. Everything else was the biggest high budget trainwreck I’ve seen yet. At least it was mildly entertaining though.

  43. Jsmithmim says:

    Super flop series..WHY people are bringing CG in here i don’t know..its one of the best despite the twists..i personally prefer happy endings..i would have loved the ending if inori(deserved) and shu(slightly arguable) both were alive..if i rank this anime it will get 30/100..[plot-02,charecters-03,music-10,animation-8,enjoyment-03,ending-00,production-02,script-02 ]..i have never given an anime sucg low marks..(my top rated animes* FMAB:99/100,CG AND CG2:97.5/100,D GRAY MAN:98/100)

  44. Jsmithmim says:

    Code gess was a great show..its one of the most highly rated shows of all time because of lelouch of course…I DON’T LIKE HAREM SHOWS TAHT MUCH..I LIKE ACTION(SHOUNEN) ANIMES..GUILTY CROWN SHOULD HAVE HAD TWO SEASONS LIKE FATE ZERO(RATED-85/100)..kick the ass of IG..how dare they make an anime go to dust..i hope some other studio like aniplex or nitroplus takes responsibility of GC,makes proper use of the story and give it a happy ending which i prefer the most.

  45. tiredx says:

    i liked every thing about GC except the telling of the story frankly i’ve seen worse but i have also seen waaay better a couple of tweeks here and there and i think GC coulda been i fairly good manga cept you could feel the story line writers desperate struggle to figure out how they wanted the series to end everything from allowing the evil and dumb people to live who should have died to just throwing weird unexplained things into the mix wtf?

  46. tiredx says:

    also i’ve seen both school days manga and anime i hate both but for 2 dif reasons in the manga the main characters not a doosh he’s just a normal guy trying to talk to the girl he likes while also protecting his childhood friend who becomes a little to attached to him. however in the anime they make him seem more like a no good player who takes advantage of people if feel kinda bad for him in contrast between the two because most people base his character off the anime only in which he is scum and im not even goiing to go into the games details…

  47. lilac says:

    i dont know what’s wrong with me but i really love the series,

    shu is not the best protagonist, but definitely not the worst yet,
    i really like shu being so human, weak, fragile and idiot most of the times, but in the end still found himself.. but i agree, the story telling, the script, and character development were not given much thought. it really beats me to think if inori and shu’s first meeting is part of Gai’s plan or if it’s just an accident, and if shu’s involvement in all that war thing and his connection to lost Christmas were all just a coincidence..it was nvr explained(that reminds me of bleach a bit, but atleast in bleach, ichigo’s involvement and everything was explained convincingly by aizen in the end and everything made sense!)… also in the end part, i got confused why all of a sudden things were put into place sooo randomly that it doesn’t made sense..it’s so stupid,it hurts.
    the antagonists were not fully rooted also, the main reason of all their ruckus was so stupid, but if the writers did a better script on that it might become convincing..i guess? i get the feeling that the writers were trying to be obvious and abstract at the same, the only problem is that the obviousness and abstractedness they are trying to pull out in the story doesn’t match at all ( i hope you get what i’m saying)

    but still i love the anime, because in the end the title GUILTY CROWN did made sense! surprisingly! and when i ponder abut it, i forgive all the mishaps of this anime, and Shu, for me,after all those stupid plot twist,ending being crippled, alone whithout inori and pathetically listening to a song reminiscing something he’ll trade his life for to see again, did represent the guilty crown pretty good.. if that sound stupid, pardon..

    [own opinion, dont hate!]

    • Idunno says:

      I agree with you there. GC for me is also a pretty good series. It only needed a better story and development and it might break the series entirely GC comes out as just really underdeveloped. IMO.
      I was never annoyed with Shu. I don’t know if thats bad or if I ca just tolerate him.

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AidanAK47
I actually was going to admit that I was wrong when I heard about the "Kiss" and gladly do so. But when I watched the scene in question it's clear what I said is still correct. They will dance around it, sure. But never outright confirm it.
AidanAK47
@Anon, discussed this before when the "Kiss" happened. Despite the series hinting it, and hinting it hard, it still hasn't outright confirmed it. While I am sure it is head canon to the watchers, the series itself is just queer baiting.
SuperMario
Okay... Just watched this week's Yuri on Ice. Haha things got weird again... and they so nailed Barcelona here, I recognized most of the places.
SuperMario
@anon527634: actually about that, I am a bit let down that after that "supposed kiss" in episode 7, no one in the series mentioned it again. Just like that "kiss" never happened.
Anonymous527534
So when is Aidan going to publicly admit he was wrong about the Yuri romance?
Lenlo
I loved the special ED so much.
Lenlo
Alright... Yuri this week was interesting in so many ways.
SuperMario
I'm also planning to catch BBK/BRK before the year end soon. I'm also find that series entertaining despite its obvious flaws
Kaiser Eoghan
But come to think of it, I do know what its like to enjoy something admittedly flawed, the first season of utawerumono was like that for me, I have nothing but criticism of it in all aspects but yet ended up being one of those things I somehow enjoyed watching.
Kaiser Eoghan
Ah, only flippflappers, natsume, drifters on my end.
AidanAK47
I wonder if anyone here is still watching Bubuki Buranki? It's weird but despite how deeply flawed it is I find it fairly enjoyable. Though that fantastic soundtrack certainly helps.
AidanAK47
@Anon, Oh they announced a Sonic movie too. Apparently it's a mix of live action and animation.
Anonymous525559
I am suprised SEGA didn't announce an Sonic movie and went with games like Altered Beast and Crazy Taxi, they probably could have just ripped off one story from the Archie Sonic comics and make an movie based on that, preferably the story where Sonic travels in the multiverse to fight an super powerful Sigma alongside Classic Megaman and Megaman X,Steet Fighter cast,Breath of Fire 3 cast and more
AidanAK47
@Anon, A parody Grindhouse film actually could work. I consider Overkill the best of House of the dead. Thing is there actually is already a house of the dead movie so this would be their second attempt. The first attempt...lets just say it didn't work out.
Anonymous523336
And House Of The Dead: Overkill is probably the best game in the franchise to adapt, i mean, it has Isaac Washington in it and dude's awesome.
Anonymous523336
None of those games have much of a story, but at least House Of The Dead could make for an entertaining silly movie, i mean House Of The Dead: Overkill is freaking awesome and has silly cutscenes at the start and end of every level.
Kaiser Eoghan
At most moonbeam city seems sylistically interesting.
Kaiser Eoghan
Archer I simply lost track of and it ended up getting to long to catch up on it.
Kaiser Eoghan
Relatively old news, although I've been joking with friends about what if scenarios for a streets of rage film. I know there is a cg/live action hybrid sonic film in the works. I kind of want to think a shinobi or streets of rage film could work if they went full on 70s style action film.
AidanAK47
None of these games are played for the story. You would be better off just making a new game for them instead of a movie.
AidanAK47
I haven't even seen Archer. On another note SEGA is planning a bunch of live action movies of their franchises and boy do they all sound like a horrible idea. Shinobi, Golden Axe, Virtua Fighter, The House of the Dead, Crazy Taxi, Streets of rage and Altered Beast.
SuperMario
@Anon522497: hmm, I found Moonbeam City underwhelmed and for Archer up until their last season I actually got a bit tired of the cast (couldn't finish that season 7)
Anonymous522497
If i wanted Archer i would just watch Archer or Moonbeam City like everyone else.
Anonymous522338
Bloodivores
SuperMario
Anyone here watching Pacific Heat? It's an Aussie Archer-ripoff aired in Netflix last week. I actually enjoyed the 1st episode, not that great but everyone panned it like a plague.
AidanAK47
@Anon, Who?
Anonymous521123
#StephanieJaworowiczIsBeautiful
Kaiser Eoghan
@Mario: That'd be the compiliation film. I watched that based on hearing that the film version trimmed back on the shows weaker moments.
SuperMario
@Kaiser: was it the compilation film or the series itself? That scene is the highlight of that first season. I'm always a fan of KyoAni so it's very natural that I enjoy this series a whole lot.
Kaiser Eoghan
I watched the first season of sound euphonium, not much to say for it other than I liked the teacher guy and the scene where the black haired girl tells the main character that she thinks shes hiding behind a mask. Animation was as expected of kyoani good. All of those emotion shots though and some of the melodrama...
AidanAK47
@Kaiser, it does stop if you make an account.
Kaiser Eoghan
Hmmm there we go again, it delayed sending my message for longer than it should have.
Kaiser Eoghan
Anyone notice today and last night that the site has had some loading issues? I kept getting an error page for a while and it was also loading a bit more slowly. A server issue?
Lenlo
Have to say, Flip Flappers ep 5 was pretty good. I love atmospheric settings like that.
Lenlo
Looks like an Epee. The large bell guard, the fact that they are focusing on thrusting attacks instead of slashing (mostly). Fencing is alot of fun. Be prepared for some bruises though, as some people put their full body weight behind their thrusts.
SuperMario
I have one last dumb question, Can you tell what types of blade of Juri in Utena? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fGsVSSUv_i0
SuperMario
@Lenlo: the more you described the more I found fencing interesting. I might take a look around my town to see if we have Fencing here (the curse of living in a small town).
Lenlo
Blades are slightly different, yes, but mostly just in their guard and how much they bend. Sabers bend easily, Epee's not so much. Surprisingly Epee is the slowest, because people tend to be more careful. Saber is actually the most aggressive of the blades, atleast at my skill level
AidanAK47
That's all they had to do. Just stay inside and let it pass. But for some weird reason they just keep panicking over nothing.
As far as time/alternate world stuff goes this was ridiculously underwhelming. Just finished another movie called triangle and now that's how you do Time travel mindfuckery.
AidanAK47
@Mario, I am not fond of movies where people make stupid decisions for no good reason. For example:
"We should just stay inside"
"No, staying inside isn't realistic"
WHY IN THE HOLY HELL ISN'T IT REALISTIC.
SuperMario
Showed that movie to a bunch of friends last year and I remembered one of the girl just shut off the movie after 15'
SuperMario
@Aidan: too bad. I found Cohenrent really funny and entertaining. Some of their twists are stupid but I was actually invested in much of their characters. Maybe because I always love movies about a bunch of characters in an isolated setting
SuperMario
@Lenlo: sounds like Epee is the most "all-out-attack" and aggressive one. Their blades are different as well I assume?
AidanAK47
Just watched a movie called coherence and man, what a bunch a pseudo-intellectual garbage that was.
Lenlo
For Right of Way, its basically Person A attacks, Person B parries, Person A hits, Person B hits, Person B gets the point because they took right of way with the parry. Saber and Foil both have that, but Epee does not. Epee is simply "Whoever hits the opponent first, doesnt matter where, whole body is target area"
Lenlo
Theres Saber, Foil and Epee. The main difference is this thing called right of way, but there are other smaller ones like how Saber can hit with the edge and Epee is allowed to hit the entire body, instead of just the chest like Foil
SuperMario
For news, Blood Blockade Battlefront getting second season next year. As it was one of my favorite last year I'm really lokking forward to this second season
SuperMario
@Lenlo: that sounds great. From what I know from fencing there are 3 different types of blade right? So what are the differences between them? (Fencing 101 here)
Kaiser Eoghan
Although a fantasy sports thing could also generate interest, such as combining sports together to create something totally new.
Lenlo
@SuperMario, Fencing was great. Favorite sport ever and it helped me stay in shape in College. I find Epee to be the best blade, mostly cause I fenced it, but its a very intense 3 minutes. Unlike sports like Soccer and such which is alot of sustained running, Fencing is 3 minutes of Dont-Stop-Moving then wait till next match. Gets really fun once you figure out your own style.
SuperMario
haha, I wouldn't mind either if each episode focus on a single sport/ character/ country. Or even the positive aspects like role models, sports inspirations and stuffs
Lenlo
That Olympic anime sounds great.
Kaiser Eoghan
And it would be a good excuse to have characters of multiple backgrounds included too.
Kaiser Eoghan
Could be an 13 episode ova series with 48 minute episodes, and if its to be an ensemble character drama you could have 10 minutes to a each character (the ones being focused on in that episode) in each episode.
Kaiser Eoghan
Ah yes, aswell as cheating it could also get into "stage parenting", "abuse", "Disabilities" and also the general politics of sports, the backroom stuff.
SuperMario
I'll be the first in line if that olympic anime ever come out. Could be interesting to see the interactions between athletes in different sports, and then fans/athletes/coaches relationship, then the gold rush, doping... So much to talk around to
Kaiser Eoghan
I don't think theres ever been a manga about hurling either. Hey heres an idea, someone do an ensemble drama anime that deals with the olympics, fit in multiple sports that way.
SuperMario
Personally I find Australian football much more exciting than rugby. Or crickets.
SuperMario
@Kaiser: ha! Interesting that you mentioned Gaelic football, because in Aus we have AFL (Australian Football League), that really similars to Gealic Football to the point sometimes we have the 2 national teams compete each other with modified rules
Kaiser Eoghan
Hmm, lets see, sport under-represented in anime? Fencing, golf , Gaelic football, bowling, boat racing.
SuperMario
Hey, fencing is actually really cool. How did you like it Lenlo?
SuperMario
You have your point there Topgavin, as I clearly remember many instances where players' legs, backs or even necks got snapped during rugby's tackles. But in regards to Rugby I never really care about it. That and car racing
Lenlo
Its mostly the type of injuries you get that differ I think. Football you get concussions and broken bones and such, while in Rugby you probably get alot of bruises and cuts. Granted I have played neither, I was a Soccer man in highschool and fencing in College
Lenlo
American football has alot of rules, and really is just a bunch of millionaires running around chasing a ball. Rugby however, as Topgavin said, has no pads so when you get hit you get hit HARD
AidanAK47
I never ceases to surprise me just how high and mighty visual novel fans can be over Mosaics present in localized games. I mean they are literally complaining about not seeing genitalia yet the way they phrase it, it's like they are fighting against great injustice. If these VNs were Nukige they might have a point but in most cases the sex scenes in question are pointless and shoehorned in.
Topgavin
@Mario Rugby is more extreme *because* it has no protective gear. No hiding behind helmets and cushioned shoulder pads when ya get bowled over.
SuperMario
@Lenlo: I'm no expert but isn't American football a variation of Rugby? And I believe american football is more extreme, considering they have to wear helmets, protection gears and all that
Lenlo
I dont think theres alot of manga about it because its simply not that popular outside the US. As far as it being a battlefield, eeeeh? Not really? You want a battlefield watch Rugby.
SuperMario
I can think of other cool sports that could be interesting to see in anime: Kick Volleyball (Sepak takraw), Bossaball (combined soccer, volleyball in a trampoline), or in the same vein of skate figures this season, why not pole dancing competition???
Anonymous504493
What other sport is cool and popular that remains original to write about by now? There isn't a lot of manga about it compared to anything else.
Anonymous504493
American football looks like a battlefield with a visible battleline and everything. Id like it if there wasnt so many darn commercials.
Lenlo
I mean, its a sport. Far cry from best, but its definitely a sport.
SuperMario
@Vonter: or maybe because american football IS the best sports ever?
Kaiser Eoghan
@Vonter: Most likely due to the middle section of the original anime being the most popular bit.
Vonter
Can someone explain me how Cobra, is apparently getting an anime around some sort of space american football? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=54kNWPr43zE
Kaiser Eoghan
@Mario: Its not safe enough a film for me to properly recommend. Even to exploitation fans, they might find it too slow others would be too sensitive to it. Really una vita violenca, mamma roma, accatone, hawks and sparrows are what Pasolini is really about.
SuperMario
Now that you watched Salo, would you recommend the film to other people? I personally think it's a masterpiece but it's one of the title that I think people would break up with me if I show them this movie
SuperMario
@Kaiser: even him as a director, both Braveheart and Apocalypto don't do much to me, will see if Hacksaw Ridge going to change my mind (but I'm not to fond with war movies in general). La Notte is in my sooon-to-watch list for years, haha
Kaiser Eoghan
@Mario: Mel Gibson as a director, not as an actor =)
Kaiser Eoghan
@Mario: Thats why I prefer the neo-realist/quasi-neo-realism stuff as it deals with the worse off in society. But Antonioni was the master of being able to do films about angsty well-off people, L'aventura, the passenger and La notte for example
Kaiser Eoghan
@Mario: Its not so much that I dislike post 50s fellini moreso I feel that his throw everything at the screen and hope what sticks method can be hit or miss.
SuperMario
While I don't really mind his later stuffs because he was masterclass, I have a pretty hard time for Paolo Sorrentino's later works. The thing is I don't care much about the high class society so everything is just ridiculously over the top and glamour and I'm tired of it.
SuperMario
I haven't watched nights of cabiria but I did watch La Strada and boy, I was sad for few days after watching it. Fellini mentioned that he was inspired to make this movie when seeing a woman pushing a cart from behind. The film really carry that sense throughout its running
SuperMario
Michael Haneke put Salo in his top 10 films. Quite understandable when you think about it. Still for me one of the movie that affected me deeply.
SuperMario
I really admire Elle for its ability to maintain its sharpness because under other inexperienced directors it could easily becomes a mess. Mel Gibson, really? He's one of the few actors that I absolutely dislike
SuperMario
@Kaiser: The Red Turtle remains one of the the most refreshing time I had this year in cinema, but then again I haven't watched much films lately. Agree with you on Sonia's performance, and I still think they could cut out the first 20' of the film because it feels out of place compare to the rest of the film
Kaiser Eoghan
Debating whether to bother catching up on I am a hero or watching the film adaptation. I haven't read it since they got rid of that one female character.
Kaiser Eoghan
@Mario: I've a feeling you'll like nights of cabiria, Fellini was cranking out some solidly effective social-realist dramas in the 50s before he fell into self-indulgence.
Kaiser Eoghan
Now I have that sound euphonium compilation film downloaded, I should get to that sometime.
Kaiser Eoghan
@Mario: I also finally watched Salo, I ended up meeting it pretty much halfway. Some parts still retain the ability to effect a modern viewer, having seen his other works though its crazy just how different Salo is to them.
Kaiser Eoghan
@Mario: Seeing I, daniel Blake tomorrow and rogue one in a few weeks.
Kaiser Eoghan
@Mario: I hope Mel Gibson and Isabelle huppert win at the next oscars.
Kaiser Eoghan
@Mario: I liked the red turtle for its visual style of storytelling and animation even if I didn't get as emotionally attached to it as others did. I also watched Aquarius nd was pretty much blown away by Sonia Braga's performance. Elle is now one of my favourite Verhoeven films and its a miracle he managed to maintain such a great balance successfully throughout the film.
SuperMario
I don't care for the sequel of Code Geass at all. Why Spice & Wolf still hasn't got season 3 though is what really bugged me. From what I know their manga and LNs are selling very well
Anonymous494677
I wonder why that is...
Kaiser Eoghan
Ah, they were always milking code geass though what with those bajillion-million-billion manga spinoffs.
Kaiser Eoghan
Still say I was more fond of the character chemistry in spice and wolf as opposed to everything else.
Kaiser Eoghan
I'll likely pass on the code geass sequel, the memory I have of it has already led to its appeal dimishing for me, I don't want to ruin things further watching an un-neccesary followup. Still avoiding utawerumono's second season for same reasons.
AidanAK47
After all there are things which need sequels and things which don't. And Code Geass never needed a sequel after R2's ending. Giving something a sequel can just ruin the conculsion of the orignal series. Case in point. Eureka Seven Ao. Remember that? Cause you shouldn't. Because it was terrible.
AidanAK47
Honestly I would have preferred Spice and Wolf Season 3.
AidanAK47
So...is anyone gonna mention that Code Geass is getting a sequel?
....Because Code Geass is getting a sequel.
AidanAK47
@Anon, I am watching it as well. But I am a bit behind because I am watching the funimation broadcast dub. It's a very good guilty pleasure. I don't find it quite as funny anymore but it's still pure dumb fun.
SuperMario
@Anon487524: I'm still following it and it still remains a fun show to watch. I love the way they do the fan-servicey completely straight.
Topgavin
@anon I'll admit to watching it. While it is very simple and follows the sport anime formula religiously, it's still a blast to watch every week. This is also helped because you have no expectations for it before watching other than "oh god what's gonna happen this week".
Anonymous487524
Granted, nothing special, just one of those anime whose only worth is being fun to watch without being deep, but Keijo really is fun to watch, easily the best guilty pleasure anime in a long while to me.
Anonymous487524
I started watching it expecting an crappy fanservice anime with nothing of worth, but it ended up being actually pretty fun and awesome to watch.
Anonymous487524
Anyone here seeing Keijo?
SuperMario
What's up with 3-gatsu no Lion? Delayed for a week huh?
Kaiser Eoghan
Checked out Hedeki anno's godzilla re-boot earlier out of curiousity, its a bit plodding/dull at times but sometimes its high camp value played straight is kind of funny, having godzilla evolve during the film was a cool touch and I enjoyed every scene with him and making a Godzilla film today is still very relevant. Not a patch on the old ones though.
Anonymous482380
I think that movie was just so terrible that people made it into a meme. Stuff like "The Entire Bee Movie Except Evey Time They Say 'Bee' The Movie Speeds Up"
Kaiser Eoghan
I'm sorry lmao I had to, it seemed so appropriate a moment: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-1GadTfGFvU
AidanAK47
Fun Fact: The whole Bees shouldn't be able to fly thing is a myth.
Badesh
I think that was just a dry realization...
AidanAK47
@Topgavin, It's a meme to post the entire script of the bee movie in random places?
....I don't get the joke.
Topgavin
For anyone wondering, I think anon just copy/pasted the entire script for the Bee movie. Memes are goin strong
Anonymous479946
According to all known laws
of aviation,


there is no way a bee
should be able to fly.


Its wings are too small to get
its fat little body off the ground.


The bee, of course, flies anyway


because bees don't care
what humans think is impossible.


Yellow, black. Yellow, black.
Yellow, black. Yellow, black.


Ooh, black and yellow!
Let's shake it up a little.


Barry! Breakfast i
Kaiser Eoghan
Actually I think it was up to about episode ten or so I saw.
Kaiser Eoghan
From what I can recall I watched legend of the galactic heroes somewhere past the part with the Caligula guy.
AidanAK47
That is one thing I wonder about the remake. How are they going to make the space battles interesting? Cause for me theres only so many times you can watch tin boxes shoot lasers and explode.
AidanAK47
I didn't like LOGH until the third episode. That's when it started to catch my attention. It also helps that I have a interest in history as the plot of LOGH practically reads like genuine history.
AidanAK47
In my case the overhype didn't kill it for me as I generally try to avoid that. When I walked into LOGH I was under the impression that it would ahve merit but not be for me. After all I heard it was mostly politics and the politics of Gundam bore me to tears. Funny enough the opposite happened. The space battles bored me but the politics got me really interested.
AidanAK47
@Leahcimali, The problem is that the people who say that something is the best thing they ever seen don't actually mean it. Often it's just hyperbole. When talking we other people fans tend to blow certain things out of proportion unintentionally. Overrated is likely the wrong word but you get what I mean.
leahcimali
@AidankAK47 oh and are you going to write a review about it or because psngel already wrote a review of it you are not gonna write it ?
leahcimali
the problem is trying to rank art . Even comparing a comedy show and a story focus show is clearly impossible. @AidanAK47 do you think the overhype of some hardcore logh fan killed you enjoyment of the show ? Because sometimes when you expect nothing of something you can enjoy it more than when waiting for something incredible.
leahcimali
i hear the same thing from fan of lord of the ring, star wars and game of thrones, star trek ... etc. The hardcore fan of those says that they are the greatest things in history ... but saying there are overated is discrediting the quality of those. Nothing is perfect and again maintening equal quality in a longuer running show is impossible. But having a longer story create a more rich background
LookingForKeys
@Mario Kimi no Na ha is pretty damn good. Watched it while in Japan a couple weeks back. The story has well done surprises, and on the graphics side you can *really* see Production IG worked on it.
leahcimali
I don't think saying logh is overated is a good way to say it. All media with great aclaimed critics or even highly popular show suffer from the fan reaction. If fan claim that it is the best things that they have ever saw and you don't agree, it feels overated. But this is only pure subjectivity. Saying he is greastest thing in history is a way for fan to exprim there love
AidanAK47
However it has been placed on a unreasonable pedestal that nothing could live up to. Eva is sort of in the same boat. So yes it is overrated but that does not mean it isn't great.
AidanAK47
@Leahcimali, if anything is claimed to be the greatest thing in the history of mankind it is overrated. The basic idea that there is a single anime out there which is fundamental and universally better than all other anime regardless of genre or intent is inherently a flawed concept. I do certainly see why LOGH is so highly acclaimed and I believe it is well worth watching.
AidanAK47
@Anon, I didn't look into the details of the new LOGH remake. I was planning on doing that when I am doing an anime season preview for it whenever it's going to air next year. For a long anime it does rate highly but even then I am not certain it really needed all 110 of those episodes.
leahcimali
about your comment are you thinking the LOGH anime is overated ? i ask Because you said that there is plenty of anime you consided better .
Anonymous476875
about the remake won't it be a straight adaptation from the manga remake by the artist that made shiki ?
Anonymous476875
AidanAK47 personally i really loved legend of the galactic heroes and it is one of the anime that make one of the biggest impact on me. I found it the best "long" anime that i ever seen (more than 24 ep). But comparing it to anime with shorter format is a bit hard. you can make something that have perfect pacing in 1h30 but it is impossible with a 110 ep anime.
AidanAK47
Either way I am pretty certain that all other isn't crap to me now seeing as I have seen the so called pinnacle. In fact There are plenty of anime I consider better that LOGH.
AidanAK47
There are aspects of its story which wouldn't really work by today's standards.
AidanAK47
And I did it. I watched legend of the galactic heroes. I have slain the white whale of anime. It certainly was interesting to say the least but I think the remake coming is going to have trouble. I am in between giving it a 8 or a 9 but it's clear that LOGH is very much a product of its time.
Kaiser Eoghan
I didn't really care for this weeks flipflappers, the fanservice and also it was even more trigger than I could take.
Kaiser Eoghan
@Gavin@Mario: I'll get round to your name someday but I think this might be my last chance with shinkai.
Kaiser Eoghan
@Aidan: That disgaea review made me nostalgic because I remember my friends and I playing it back when it first came out. We found it difficult but were amused by it/liked the characters.
Kaiser Eoghan
@Aidan: Are the manga posts exclusively for series with only a few chapters translated or series that came out in the past year or so? I've been reading gunka no balthazar and enjoying it enough and think it should get recommendation out there.
Topgavin
Just booked tickets to go see it on Sunday with my little sister. Was surprisingly reluctant but I know she'll like it, I've already seen it but pumped either way.
SuperMario
Your name movie has been showed theatrically here in Aus, I'm planning to rewatch it soon in theatre and then do a review on it. Is that alright with other admins?
SuperMario
so I guess the top 6 will advance to the final are: Otabek Altin (Kazakhstan), Giacometti (Switzerland), Yuri, Yurio, JJ and Phichit? Will be very cool final event haha
SuperMario
At the very least Yuri on Ice shows me how entertaining ice skating can be
SuperMario
@K-Off: have a good trip ahead K-Off. Well, it's still better than Japan (earthquake) I guess
K-Off
Well, heading to Korea tomorrow. What a time to go. In the middle of Korea's biggest financial scandal since the 80s.
Lenlo
Is it just me, or does the Yuri on Ice opening get more colorful and detailed every week?
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