Posted by psgels on 24 June 2012 with categories: Anime Reviews

Back when I was a teenager and not an anime fan yet, I used to watch way too much American cartoons. I pretty much suffered an overdose from it and all of the incredibly bad stuff I actually sat through back then. I wasn’t going to touch any of those shows anymore unless it had something really good to offer. Enter the Legend of Korra.

The premise of this series just sold me. Instead of going with the usual premises, it instead took things a step further: this series takes a look on what would happen after the world has been saved by an “Avatar”. What would the world look like after someone came along and united everyone? What would the new version of him look like and what would her part be? The result is that the creators stuffed a martial arts expert inexperienced into a big political battle with roots deep in racism and oppression by those who are stronger. It blurred the lines between good and bad by making both sides flawed, and Korra often ends up as a hypocrite due to her inexperience. Add in some terrific action scenes in which in particular the fight choreography stands out (which really was better than any of the other anime that aired this season) and you really have a series that could have become amazing.

There are two things that ended up holding this series back though. At first this series struggles with its romance. It’s inconsequential and annoying with a pointless love triangle that only serves to stall for time, rather than just spending time to flesh out the characters. The second flaw is that it’s got a really bad ending. I know that this is only the half-way point of the series, but the ending did try to wrap up everything that this season had brought forth, and failed miserably with a bunch of very blatant Deus ex Machina that render some of the build-up and most defining moments earlier on in the series rather meaningless.

Now, the Legend of Korra does have some very good individual moments and great concepts, they just don’t come together at the end and due to that ending I’m not sure whether I can really recommend it (endings for me are very important on fiction and often ended up changing my view on a work significantly) and my rating for this series would have been much higher without it. For those who don’t want to watch any of the other installments of the Avatar Franchise: don’t worry. This series is actually pretty standalone and an be watched on its own.

Storytelling: 7/10 – A bit of a wonky pacing with a bad ending mostly reduces the potential of this show.
Characters: 8/10 – It uses its characters very nicely and the age gap between the different characters along with their backgrounds combines very well. The romance doesn’t really work, though.
Production-Values: 9/10 – This season there really were a lot of series that stood out with visuals, all in their own ways. For Korra, this was the fight choreography that was un-matched.
Setting: 8.5/10 – Great ideas for politics.

Suggestions:
Last Exile
Mahou Shoujotai
Secret of the Cerulean Sand

58 Responses

  1. Joe says:

    Believe me, the ending makes a lot more sense if you’d seen the original series.

    • S-R says:

      Agreed.

      Doesn’t entirely save it, the rushed pace made it feel unearned – had any time at all actually been spent on exploring the spirit world in Korra’s time and the avatar state and its link to past Avatar lives, it would have gone a long way – but it does help a great deal in contextualising it.

      Hopefully S2 can correct the problems present.

      • Joe says:

        Yeah, I don’t think that it was nearly as bad as psgels thought, but I still wasn’t completely satisfied with it, or even 90% satisfied with it like I was with the first series’ ending. I wish they’d had 20 episodes for the season from the very beginning. Oh well, hopefully the next season will be better.

        • tktym says:

          I actualyl agree with psgels. The ending was a copout. BUT I understand why. the creators/writters of the show didn’t get the ok for a second season until they were already finished with the first season, because of the 12 episodes they were given, they basically didn’t have the time to build the show like they did in the previous Avatar. Only having 12 episodes because Nickolodeon were being douchbags, and didnt want to give them enough time to make a decent show, brings the result seen here. the creators are VERY good writters, and were pretty much using the setting as some kind of boxer rebellion thing which is why the overall plot is so good. But yes that ending is pretty terrible. I assumed that they were going to have Korra travel through the world like aang did to get her bending back. Which would have been really really amazing. I personally think they were planning on doing that, untill they got word that they only had one season.

          The romance… was just bad.

          • Chiarissimo says:

            The second “season”, which is the “second part” of the “first season” btw, was greenlighted from the very beginning.

            And the romance was just great.
            Go back watching japanese shit or something.

  2. Jeff says:

    I agree with Joe. The ending does not feel deus ex machina at all if you understand the lore and the ways of the avatar. In fact the ending all together was very emotional (for me, I cired mentears!) when the “you know what” was made it felt like the proper lore thing to do, even if it was ultimately predictable.

    And she finally bended that hard element! She was kicking ass with it, greatly fitting with her general fighting/bending style.

    Storypacing was akward at times, but they shouldn’t have cramped a season within 12 episodes to begin at ;B

    • Nayrael says:

      They had no choice: S2 was greenlighted when S1 was almost finished.

      • Chiarissimo says:

        Stop repeating this shit : they had 26 episodes to work with from the very beginning, this has not, I repeat, NOT, been written from episode 1 as a 12-episode series. The 26 episodes were just split in two, just like with Gundam 00, to pick an exemple which you japanfags would understand.

        • ameryln says:

          Hmm, not exactly. I remember announcements for this series coming up last fall, and production for the first series was pretty far then. They only released a 26 episode statement after they had finished the first series and began actual promotion. I don’t think they were contracted all 26 episodes at once.

          Though they still could have done more with the ending than what they did.

          If you really want to know I’m sure Bryan Konietzko can answer general questions on production scheduling if you ask him on his tumblr page – http://bryankonietzko.tumblr.com/

        • Hunter-Wolf says:

          First, before calling anime fans here japanfags you need to provide proof for your claim that they had all 26 episodes green-lit from the very start (which is bullshit until you provide proof) .. second .. what the *%^& are you doing commenting on an anime blog if you think anime fans are japanfags .. sorry but the only fag i see here is you.

  3. Kim says:

    I saw and loved the original series but didn’t like the ending of Korra muhc either.

    But once again Psgels watch the original series. It’s an excellent adventure series with great character development. It’s not perfect but it takes its time to tell a wonderful epic tale, something Korra was unfortunately too rushed to do. It’s definitely the best American television animation has to offer and stands up to the very best anime series.

    I mean you can argue there are some convenient plot devices in the original Avatar too, but the way the characters grow and change make up for that. It’s the lack of real growth that disappointed me the most about Korra.

  4. CJay says:

    I have to disagree saying that watching the first series explains the use of “avatar mode” to heal other people. I feel like it actually makes less sense. Remember how much trouble Aang had controlling the avatar mode and how one of the most interesting sub-plots was how Aang was scared of Avatar mode because he essentially went out of control. Yeah why can Korra magically control it perfectly now? She hasn’t maintained very much spiritual connection with the avatars at all save one moment. This makes it even more of an ass pull if you think about it.

    • Joe says:

      Some fans had a theory that throughout the series Korra was unlocking her chakras. One of the last ones was the air chakra, for love and blocked by guilt, which she overcame during the final battle with Amon when Mako was about to have his bending taken away. The last one, presumably, was the one blocked by attachment, which she overcame when she was considering committing suicide on the cliff so that a new Avatar who could bend all four elements could be born. It should have been explained better in the show, but it does make sense. I blame the short limit on the number of episodes and the time wasted on the romance.

      • CJay says:

        Hm, that is an interesting theory. But without the necessary build up even if that was the intention it was, like you said poorly demonstrated.

        And completely agree with the romance. Also the ending pretty much advocated cheating on your gf as long as you are “in love” which i also feel like is a random direction to go it.

        Asami on the other hand had good closure. I was worried the whole show that she was going to become some kind of villain after being dumped or something but luckily the show avoided that pitfall.

        • Ahmy says:

          In regards to that “cheating” thing, I felt it was rather obvious that they had broken up when things were coming to the climax…like something that wasn’t necessary to show on screen but was hinted at when they argued in the kitchen. I dunno.

          I do agree on Asami though, I was waiting for them to wreck all that lovely character development she got by turning her either into a villain or a bitchy green eyed monster. I’m glad she ended up the way she did.

    • Saff says:

      It’s an interesting point! I debated about this, too. But Aang was trying to contact her throughout the series, and a friend of mine pointed out that almost all of the episodes had a theme of one of the Chakra points being unlocked (if out of order), which, if true, could make everything that happened make a lot more sense.

      To quote her:

      Earth chakra: deals with survival/blocked by fear. See the episode where she faced Amon at the memorial statue

      Water chakra: deals with pleasure/blocked by guilt. See the shipping trainwreck at the finals

      Fire chakra: deals with willpower/blocked by shame. Same episode, I would argue, but instead look at her victory on her own, taking the team to the finals

      Sound chakra: deals with truth/blocked by lies. Hiroshi Sato being an Equalist, when no one would believe [Korra].

      Light chakra: deals with insight/blocked with illusion. Her meditation in the box probably opened this

      Then I talked about the Air chakra (which is opened by love and blocked by grief). (Last episode, I think.)

      Then the Thought chakra is cosmic energy vs. earthly attachments. If you view that scene at the cliff as… well, her having suicidal thoughts, that could fulfill letting go of earthly attachments. [/End quoting, paraphrasing]

      Again, though, it depends on how you view things!

  5. Saff says:

    The ending is still rushed no matter how hard you look at it and the pacing needed some work, and the ending does seem a bit deus rex machina-y even if you’ve seen the original series, but it makes sense if you have seen the original, which the majority have, I think. I suppose it’s also relevant to keep in mind it was originally a 12-episode series, and by the time it was greenlit for an additional 14, I believe all the work had pretty much been done, and it would have been ridiculously costly to changes much of anything at that point. So with that said, I think it was forced to wrap up and tie everything the way it did, though I would’ve found it more awesome to have her bending taken away except for air into (the majority at least) of season to, and have Korra grow and develop from that. But alas.

    I think Mike and Bryan do better work when they have more episodes to use. I don’t think they know how to condense as well as perhaps they should.

    • Hunter-Wolf says:

      Totally agree, it really felt they are cutting all ties with the ending of the first seasons (specially with Tarlok killing himself and his brother along with him, well .. he did it specifically to rid the world of his brothers OP blood bending) .. that means no going back to Aman or Equalists storyline anymore in 2nd season.

      So yeah the ending did indeed feel rushed, but it isn’t deus ex machina-y by any means, just rushed .. i too hoped -at the point Korra was crying her robbed powers and inability to become a proper Avatar- for the second season to -surprisingly- follow the exact same storyline you described, Korra going on a journey to strengthen her resolve and find a way to regain her ability to control the three locked elements again …. but now that i think about it .. it would be too similar to Ang’s journey .. so let’s wait and see what they come up with in the 2nd season .. maybe it will be some pleasant surprise and they won’t have to rush any part of the story this time XD

  6. Nic says:

    Gotta say, pgels, that here, you not having watched the first series of Avatar really makes your comments about the ending seriously flawed.

    I, too, think it was kinda rushed but Deus Ex machina ending? Way to show you have no grasp on the world the Avatar series lives in. The ‘Avatar Mode’ is the very reason why the Avatar is so respected… and feared by every foe.

    It brings a direct connection to the souls of the previous Avatars and makes the Avatar incredibly powerful and able to pull off what would otherwise be impossible feats. The downside? If the Avatar is killed during that mode, it dies permanently. No resurrection. So it comes with great risk.

    So, that is why her finally learning her final element allowed her to connect with the previous Avatars and bring out her true power. All this was established eons ago in the previous Avatar series so this shouldn’t even be a surprise to anyone who watched the first series.

    I’m gonna be a bit harsh here and say that even though I agree with the fact that the ending was kinda disappointing, you really shouldn’t start talking throwing words like ‘Deus Ex Machina’ without having seen the first series. I just can’t take you seriously when you speak about the ending until you do.

    • AidanAK47 says:

      Nope Nic, it’s a pure Deus ex machina in every sense of the word. I seen the original series. I know about avatar mode. So the way Korra just suddenly activated it and can control it perfectly was just an asspull. Korra didn’t go through half the crap it took for Aang to achieve it.

      • Hunter-Wolf says:

        No it isn’t a Deus Ex Machina, not every Avatar is identical to the others, each one of them had different personalities, circumstances, strengths and weaknesses and their stories aren’t all identical to Ang’s (very clear from what glimpses we saw of them in the previous series), besides .. it has been mentioned countless times that Ang’s soul was seeking Korra out over and over and trying to tell her something .. so this time the spirit world and her previous lives (specially Ang) were actively trying to contact her .. and she clearly manged to make some link with them and Ang when she experienced his memories with Tarlok’s father while she was locked in the metal cell.

        • AidanAK47 says:

          …You didn’t counter my point.
          How does anything you just wrote prove that this isn’t a Deus ex machina? In fact all of what you just said is baseless assumption.

          • Hunter-Wolf says:

            Ang’s spirit trying repeatedly to contact Korra throughout the whole freaking series is a baseless assumption .. what !!? .. you were asleep while watching the series i presume XD

          • AidanAK47 says:

            Like I said. Baseless assumption. You have no idea what Aang was trying to contact her for. You are just using this as cheap justification.

            Also according to my memory it was mentioned twice that Aang was trying to contact Korra.

    • wicked says:

      A series like this should at least try to stand on its own merit in term of plot. I dont mind minor plothole that need to be filled in by the previous series, but dont use something you never even mentioned by name and only shown once in the series as a way out, and not even bother to explain it afterwords.

      by the way, Aang had enetered Avatar state before he learned all the bendings and didnt master it right away even when he was able to bend all 4 elements.

  7. Ahmy says:

    I think something to keep in mind with the rushed ending and some of the pitfalls: This was originally going to be just this. No second season what-so-ever. So they played this out to make sure that it would be a stand alone series. All things throughout this one season were “closured” in a sense. Korra finally got air-bending, she resonated with the previous avatars, love triangle ho hah was solved, and the de-bending problem defeated along with the bad guy/s. They were really expecting such popularity that they got a second season out of it. I think that makes the rushed climax make a tiny bit more sense.

    Not that I don’t agree, there were some things that I felt were no necessary or needed more development i.e. General Iroh; he kicked ass, I wanted more of him. XD But when I look at this as the final, completed project, I feel it’s not so bad.

    (And Meelo= adorable. LOL)

  8. starry says:

    Please watch the original series, its pretty much better in every single way to Korra sans the animation.

    While the ending may not be a deus ex machina, as explained it did cheapen the loss of Korra’s bending powers. It could have been so much better if she learned how to be the Avatar without them.

    • detra says:

      I wouldn’t really say that it’s so much better.
      I only watched it some time ago and especially season 1 was very childish and too many episodes felt like filler.
      Second season was much better and the final one is up to par with what Korra delivered in terms of story and action.

      The ending of this season may not be perfect but seeing as a second season wasn’t planned at the start it’s satisfactory enough.

      • starry says:

        Eh, the first season may be childish and have fillery episodes early on, but it hits its stride and the characters come up more developed then Korra’s was by the S1 finale. Hell, Sokka was more developed then Bolin by the fourth episode for instance. Even the fillers helped the characters grow and showed off Aang practicing bending (something Korra pretty much dropped after episode 2)

        If they had twelve episodes to work with until very late in production, they should have paced and developed it for a twelve episode story, not a full season.

  9. CJ says:

    So, any plans to watch original Avatar now, psgels? Some of the ending definitely makes more sense with prior Avatar lore (but it’s still rushed). But then at this point, Avatar: The Last Airbender is still a way better show than the first season of Korra. The same dude choreographed the fight scenes for both series (and I recall TLA having more sword and weaponry combat that was just as epic). And if you wanted character development, I think TLA will satisfy you big time.
    So hopefully you will go on to Avatar: The Last Airbender now! I’d love to know your thoughts on both it and Korra’s ending with TLA knowledge.

  10. WatcherZero says:

    How about taking a look at the other amazing series at the moment, the remake of Thundercats? If you liked Korra you will like that too.

  11. wicked says:

    On fight choreography, western animation has really stepped it up lately, taking a page from movies studios. Warner Brother’s DC animations like Batman under the red hood and the currently airing Young Justice has some exceptional fighting choreographs.

  12. Anonymous Anime Addict says:

    If you enjoyed the Legend of Korra in any way, then I really recommend you watch Avatar: The Last Airbender. It is by far superior in every regard. I was impressed with it. It really stood out from other U.S. animated TV series.

  13. Tanz says:

    I knew the sloppy ending must have had a reason. With how epic they ended ALL the season finale in A:TLA, I knew something was wrong in Korra. Damn you, Nick. Give them more seasons!

  14. FlippyJ says:

    The Legend of Korra was so disappointing in how it presented so many themes and characters that had potential but were simply not developed for the sake of romance and action. As psgels pointed out, the political issues presented in this series were very interesting as the equalists have some valid reasons for their cause that make them morally grey rather than simply the bad guys. All the members of the council and the police are benders and many jobs can only be done with bending. Normal people would suffer both economically and socially as they have no protection or representation, prompting them to start a revolution. The only thing wrong with this is that I had to think up all of this in order to make the equalist issue more interesting than it actually is. We are never actually shown how non-benders suffer, thus making them only the “bad guys” rather than people fighting for their rights. If the writers had only shown us a poor non-bender family being oppressed by benders and thus being forced to turn to the equalists for help, the conflict would have been so much deeper and more meaningful.
    While I am a big fan of the original series and fully understand the avatar/energybending concept, the last few minutes of the finale still seemed terribly deus ex machina and nonsensical. By giving Korra the ability to return people’s bending, the writers effectively ruined what made Amon a truly intimidating villian and made the entire season have no consequence.

    • Hunter-Wolf says:

      Those are some interesting thoughts you have here regarding the idea of the Equalists and how it could have been expanded .. but let’s not forget Aman presented himself as that said victim of Bender tyranny (and we did see many people abuse their bending during the series like the three gangs of republic city and how they abused the shop owners by threatening them with their bending to collect protection money from them), also Tarlok is a prime example of a bender gone rotten (not to mention the irony that Aman himself is the kind of bender who would justify the existence of the equalists and show how arrogant and power-hungry some benders can be), not to mention Asami’s father who could really be considered the most crucial member of the equalists, he had valid reasons to had bending and benders.

      I really felt bad for the captain of the equalists forces when he found out about Aman’s lies, he seemed to be the most dedicated equalist and really believed in the cause, another point is that the equalist revolution (even with Aman’s involvement and lies) was almost a bloodless revolution, and no it isn’t because Avatar:Korra the show is aimed at younger audiences .. many character died in the vicious attacks of the Fire nation in the previous series including the mother of katara, but with the equalists there was almost no bloodshed at all (even off-screen), that boosted their image as a group fighting for a valid cause not a bunch of terrorists or murderers, they surely do a lot of wrong things like taking away the bending from people you didn’t abuse it or jailing them just for being benders .. but that still puts them in the gray spectrum not the typical bad guys black zone … IMO the series did a very good job handling the issues and i personally didn’t feel the equalists where typical bad guys at all.

      As for the ending, no it wasn’t Deus ex machina at all, just rushed (probably due to pressure by Nickelodeon), as for Aman being intimidating, well .. as soon as his mask fell and he was known to be a blood bender he wasn’t any more intimidating than Tarlok .. heck even less .. and we can’t even tell for sure what he did exactly with his blood bending .. being the liar he turned out to be (everything about his was a lie) .. maybe what he did was just locking the bending not taking it away for real and forever (which is something only the Avatar can do) so the avatar would simply be able to return it again (with some help from her previous lives) very easily because when it comes to bending the Avatar is real deal XD

      • FlippyJ says:

        While I understand what you are coming from, the three gangs and the shopkeeper does not make the equalists any more valid. Yes, the non-bender shopkeeper was being bullied by the gangs, but he was also saved by a bender(Korra) and the Metalbending police was literally five minutes away from reaching his store and helping him. The Equalists were not made to oppose these truly terrible gangs, but rather to oppose the benders that lead the city. The only problem is that the Avatar, as the world’s spiritual leader, and the police in this case are taking perfect care of a non-bending citizen. Why are the equalists opposing an Avatar who actually cares for non-benders and the Metalbender cops who seem to protect non-benders just as well? The only actual moment where the non-benders were being oppressed was when Tarlok did that non-bender curfew which was actually the moment that introduced the the political side of the series. The writers, however, did not present anything past this to develop the theme and it was clear that Tarlok didn’t enforce the curfew out of discrimination for non-benders but rather just to intimidate his enemy Amon into taking action.
        Furthermore, Hiroshi Stao renders the equalist movement mute as he is the complete opposite of the “oppressed non-bender”. In fact, he is quite the opposite as he shows that a poor non-bender can become the richest and most powerful man in the city. As a complete madman who is willing to kill his own daughter, he makes the Equalists look even more like ruthless, unfounded, terrorists rather than an actual movement for equality.
        Korra gaining energy bending is Deus ex machina in the sense that she did not change herself or delve into her spirituality that would warrant her to achieve the avatar state and the powers that come with it. Korra in the finale is just as brash and forceful as she was in the beginning of the series. This is evident in how she crashed the equalist rally to accuse Amon of being a bender. She came completely expecting that a simple accusation would completely turn all the equalists against Amon, and obviously had no back up plan when it failed and resorted to force once again. While Tenzin kept telling her to become more patient and reflect on her past actions, she still fails to think about her actions thoroughly. She treats every situation like she treated the airbending gates: If it doesn’t work out for her, throw fire at it!

  15. Chiarissimo says:

    qqqqqqqqqqqq
    psgels bitching on a sequel without having seen the original and writing a final review when it hasn’t even completely aired

    you surpassed yourself

    • Hogart says:

      Wow, the trolls are getting lazy these days.

      • AidanAK47 says:

        Hogart, you seem to be implying that trolling requires effort. But yeah…this is a pretty weak attempt. Come on Chiarissimo. If you are going to troll then at least try to be humorous.

      • Hunter-Wolf says:

        Trolls learned how to look at mirrors, wow .. i didn’t know they could do that, but they probably can’t identify themselves yet XD

        If anyone is trolling here it’s you Hogart, at least Chiarissimo does make some valid points, yeah the series despite any illusions that it is a standalone serious is a sequel to Avatar:The Last Airbender … so when Psgels calls the Avatar’s previous lives “a bunch of dead people show up from out of nowhere?” it shows clearly Psgels had no idea what he is talking about .. let alone going as far as calling it a Deus ex Machina without trying to check the previous series .. yeah it felt rushed but it isn’t a Deus ex Machina at all.

        • AidanAK47 says:

          “If anyone is trolling here it’s you Hogart, at least Chiarissimo does make some valid points”

          (Looks at Chiarissimo’s posts)

          “And the romance was just great.
          Go back watching japanese shit or something.”

          “The 26 episodes were just split in two, just like with Gundam 00, to pick an exemple which you japanfags would understand.”

          “qqqqqqqqqqqq
          psgels bitching on a sequel without having seen the original and writing a final review when it hasn’t even completely aired”

          …where are these points you speak of?
          And while my knowledge of Avatar is a little vague I do recall that Aang needed to mediate in order to talk with them. They didn’t just pop out of nowhere. They also didn’t just pass on technique with a single touch because that would render Aangs journey to find people to teach him other styles of bending completely pointless. All he would need to do is contact his previous selves and WALA…mastery of all elements.

          • Hunter-Wolf says:

            I know Chiarissimo does troll a lot (seeing i replied to one of his trolls above), but i was just saying he does have a valid point about needing to know about the previous series before criticizing the ending and calling it Deus Ex Machina while having ZERO knowledge the mythos of Avatar’s world.

            First there was no passing a technique with a single touch .. if you mean what Ang did .. Ang is dead and his souls is part of Korra’s souls now, what we saw in merely her pervious souls helping her unlock something she already has .. like she lost the key to a locker and Ang just gave her the key again .. simple as that.

            If you mean what Korra did to Lin .. she simply did the same thing .. she reawakened her earth bending again .. we didn’t see Lin fire bending or anything .. so where did you get the idea there was any form of ability passing happening here !!?

            As for meditating and using Avatar state, well Ang was a kid and pretty much an idiot and an air-head at the start of his journey and at least during its first half, Korra on the other hand while hot-headed is way more mature and experienced than Ang, heck she mastered all three elements except air with utmost ease, and don’t forget the spirit of And (which is part of her own spirit) was clearly and explicitly trying to establish contact with her since the start of the series .. it’s easy to understand how what happened in the end happened if you thought about the differences between Ang and Korra and Ang himself trying to establish contact from his side .. yeah it got rushed and there could have been other alternatives that explain thigns better and take their times but it still does make sense in the context of the world of Avatar as a whole.

          • AidanAK47 says:

            No. He touched her forehead and that was it. She could use elements and energy bending. She didn’t even use energy bending on herself to unlock. She just suddenly could use her elements again.
            Plus you have not countered my point again. You say he just unlocked something she already had. You could do that with fire bending, water bending…everything.

            It seems you greatly misunderstood me. I was talking about Aang passed on a technique to energy bend to Korra. In the previous avatar series Aang talked with the previous avatars then isn’t it also possible for them to pass on techniques like Aang just did to Korra. There wouldn’t be any need to find bending teachers then.

        • Hogart says:

          I didn’t have any point to make except that this particular trolling was lazy.

          But I certainly disagree with the notion that psgels needed to watch the first Avatar to be able to share his opinion on this series. A good stand-alone series shouldn’t require a PhD in the original material in order to understand its ending.

          I don’t know if we’ll see eye to eye on that, but your approach to explaining that was a far cry from Chiarissimo’s lame trolling.

          • Hunter-Wolf says:

            Knowing what an Avatar is and what they are capable of (including making contact with the previous avatars) was explicitly hinted at many times during this series (specially with Ang flash backs), even watching the first episode of the first series explained a lot, heck .. reading the Wikipedia page of the first season explains a lot too .. the writers just can’t waste their time trying to re-explain things they know very well that most of the viewers already know by hard .. that would be a waste of time and instead of seeing something new we will be seeing the old series all over again.

            And since Psgels isn’t just watching the series he is reviewing it, i think he needed to do his homework and check what the previous series was about, i mean to not be able to recognize the previous Avatars and calling them “some ghosts that came out of nowhere” is just sad, i didn’t say he had to watch the entire old series episode by episode .. at the very least he could have read a quick plot synopsis of the previous season before watching this one .. those are easy to find, sorry but he really came of as lazy here .. no show is 100% standalone when it’s events are strongly linked to a previous series, having ZERO idea about the previous season is no excuse to complain really, don’t go and watch Terminator 2 or 3 and then complain there are many plot points that don’t make sense.

            and sorry if i accused you of trolling XD

        • Hogart says:

          No problem about the trolling remark, I can see how it came across as one anyway.

          But this whole “research” thing is a really fine line. I personally think psgels did a good job pointing out what problems newcomers would have, which are things that could have been mitigated without the writers having to ruin it for the rest of us. It’s all down to taste, of course.

          Besides, the real problem was that many Avatar fans (even some here in the comments section) aren’t too thrilled with the ending. I think his not knowing about the Avatar’s ancestors is minor compared to the series’ problems. But that’s just me.

          Besides, I don’t remember watching Terminator 2 and wondering what was going on, even having not watched the first one beforehand.

  16. Hunter-Wolf says:

    I did like the show a lot and all the themes it handled (even if tehy didn’t fully explore them), the combat choreography was top-notch as expected by teh standard set by the previous series and the bending is masterfully linked with different combat styles that fit really well with each associated element.

    As for the characters, Korra, Tarlok, Lin and Tenzen (in that order) take the cake for me, they were all interesting and enjoyable to watch and had many interesting moments and developments, i specially loved how Tarlok brought an end to his brother’s cursed bloodline and took his own life with him (IMO one of the best moments in the show, i have to say i didn’t see it coming until he took the cap off the fuel tank, at worst i thought he was looking at the gloves that he was thinking about shocking his brother unconscious and capturing him to regain his honor in republic city).

    Overall this season does have some minor flaws IMO but they don’t detract much of its overall enjoyment.

    First the romance between Korra and Mako was developing nicely when it first started but then it went down hill and stalled throughout the whole season until it came to its predictable conclusion in the finale after long episodes plagued by Mako’s cringe worthy indecisiveness .. IMO it could have been handled a lot better .. heck (Bolin x Korra)relation would have been way more interesting if handled right.

    Sadly that brings us to the bending brothers, Mako and Bolin, Bolin was sadly reduced into a comic relief character half-way through the series, he is funny alright but he didn’t get a single meaningful character development since the pro-bending tournament finale episode, Mako on the other hand became a prop for the boring love triangle that didn’t go anywhere .. again .. since the kiss with Korra he didn’t get any meaningful development … during the Pro-bending arc they seemed like they have the potential to be interesting characters, but sadly it didn’t last beyond that story arc as they got shoved aside to make way for the main story events .. my only hope is that the brothers and all the other characters that got shoved aside will have some role in the 2nd season.

    As for Korra and her Avatar developments, well people shock me when they compare her with Ang .. WTF people, they are two completely different people, heck .. each and every Avatar probably went through a completely different experience until they mastered their powers, some might have awakened their Avatar mode with little effort, some might have spent their entire life trying to master it, some might have learned all the elements easily, some might have had some difficulty with a certain element .. etc etc … heck if after seeing the first episode where Korra clearly had full control over three of the main elements that Ang spent the whole series trying to control then expected Korra’s journey to be Ang’s journey all over again then you are -sorry- an idiot.

    what’s also different is that Ang’s soul was trying to contact Korra since the beginning of the events in Republic city .. something that didn’t happen with Ang .. that alone explains a lot about what happened in the ending, and since we are talking about the ending .. i agree that it felt rushed .. heck personally i excepted Korra to go on some journey to strengthen her spiritual connection with Ang and the previous avatars and regain her control over the other three elements (and that this will be the theme of the 2nd season), i was a little surprised that they went with that rushed conclusion, but it only means they were forced by Nickelodeon to close all open story threads (including that of Tarlok and his brother) as if they weren’t getting any second season to complete the story, it’s sad .. but it doesn’t make the ending a deus ex machina or nonsensical .. it just needed more time to flow naturally, and of course required that you have watched the previous series or at the very least have the slightest idea what it was about .. plot synopsis online pages do exist for a reason.

    Heck it would have been cooler if Korra’s Avatar mode kicked in the moment Aman tried to steal her bending and that would have also awakened her ability to control Air .. IMO that would have been a nice alternative, but like some people suggested .. if the writers if their research right about Asian charka points and its related philosophy the whole (chakra point) (X) gets blocked by (emotion) (Y) could also provide an explanation to what happened as well.

    Finally i have to say i’m pretty excited for a second season, not only because we literally have no idea what it will be about, but also because we will get a chance to see an Avatar doing their work as a full-fledged Avatar (something we didn’t get to see Ang or the other avatars do for too long, only quick glimpses), and also it gives a second chance for characters like Mako and Bolin and all other characters who didn’t get a chance to develop well in the first season (or didn’t get enough time like General Iroh) .. there is also the chance of seeing more about Ang’s story and adventures.

    • wicked says:

      What made Avatar interesting in the first place was the different spirituality that are connected to bending in the first place. How much “thinking” had to be done before getting it. It took Aang forever because he had to figure out the rules and find his teacher, while Korra had a fully prepared system behind her, but that doesnt really excuse how little emphasis they put into developing that side of her. She get flashes from Aang sure, but hardly a spiritual connection regards to nature of bending like Roku used to do with Aang. That’s what’s disappointing. Just look at the way she learn Air bending, the development is jerky. Korra tries to learn the steps, korra gets frustrated, korra finally learns to calm herself and go with the flow in the heat of the moment. All that were great, then it stalled for other plots, then as a last ditch effort she suddenly seems to be able to do it with any sort of real revelation other than desperation, something not consistent with the series past.

      It also would have made about 10x more sense if her avatar mode did activate when Amon was taking away her bending or the moment she realized airbending.

      It is a rushed ending meant to close all the plot point, but that’s why it felt like Deus ex Machina, they knew they had the avatar state in their back pocket the entire time(never brought up in the series except for one flashback toward the end), when the situation seems dire they used it to make a happy ending.

      What’s sad about it is that there were some many theme worth exploring deeply that are now basically dead and throw away because of the happy ending. It’s also going to be tough to have a villain top Amon, he was one hell of a menacing villain with a really good cause.

    • Zouachi says:

      I believe the love triangle between Korra Mako and Asami was really great.

      Lets look at it that way. Korra was training since she was a child, meaning she spent all her teenage years working out her bending in the North Pole. It also doesnt seem like there were any young boys of her age down there. Now she leaves her harsh but dull life to go to the city where she expects that everyone ”lives the big life”, so she wants to leave big too. And what does a 17 year old teen girl that never experienced romance want? A hot, badass, manly man. She doesnt have the idealized view of love as Aang may have had (since he was 12), teenagers mostly think about sex (obviously that cant be made explicit in the show, since it is for kids). That is why her falling for Mako was the most logical thing to happen. She doesnt want a nice, caring, fun guy like Bolin, but someone more badass like Mako, thats the normal nature of the feelings most teen girls living in the city have.

      Now lets look at Mako. He lived in the streets all his life, had to sell his bending abilities by working in a factory or ”whoring” himself in pro-bending to amuse the crowd (already theres a sociological point there), all he wishes for is to get into a higher social class, and what better way to do that than dating Asami, a hot rich high class girl. He gets everything he needs, a girl and money. What does Asami want? Since she was rich most of her life, she wants that feeling of adventure that only a manly pro-bender like Mako can give her, since most rich men end up businessmen, politicians, intellectuals, nothing exciting for a teen girl there.

      Now that it is established that the triangle is very consistent and logical, lets see how it all unfolds. First theres episode 5, Korra pretty much uses Bolin to make Mako jealous, then embraces him when she has the chance. What does Mako do? He does not yet feel the same way for Korra, so he decides to stick with Asami, which is pretty logical, since he doesnt know Korra that well yet and Asami is more consistent with his needs (as explained above) than Korra. Later on, when Korra get kidnapped, he starts to realize that he does have deep feelings for her, even though Asami is a better match for him. Until the last episode, we see him drifting more and more towards Korra and ignoring Asami, it does make him seem like a douchebag, but his character develops, he ignores his primal needs (sex + money) for the girl he really loves and cares about.

      You get a love triangle well concluded (Asami is foreveralone but hey, thats life), character development and even a sociological analysis on the side, all this wrapped up in an awesome show. This is how you handle romance perfectly and realisticly, compared with some shows like Sakamichi no Apollon, where no one has any balls.

  17. Tanwir says:

    I think the ending was a bit rushed but then I felt kinda excited. I, like many others, thought Korra was going on a Journey to restore her powers but the ending made me realise that there will be now a different plot. And maybe the first series was to show her development as an avatar. And remember what Aang said ‘when we are at are most lowest, we are most acceptable to change’. When aang was in a crisis about giving up his belief for the greater good, he then at his lowest point learnt to take people bending away. The avatar is there to bring balance to the world, therefore depending on the situation the avatar will change or gain ability to maintain the balance.

  18. Space Eater says:

    Reviews will be reviews: opinions. I personally liked the series, whether it had some flaws here and there, I enjoyed the show.

  19. animedude411 says:

    so im not sure how many people have explained this already, but the ending to korra makes sence if you have seen the original series.first of all korra using airbending to save Mako is a direct shoutout to how ang learned earthbending in the original series.he spends an entire episode trying in vain to master it (it is the one he has trouble with much like korra and airbending) but when his friends are in danger he just forces himself to get it right, cheesy perhaps, done before, yes, but completely out of place for either shows, no.

    second, the “dead people comming out of nowhere”. well in the avatar world, there is a spirit world where all of the deseaced avatars, as well as several actual spirits dwell. by connecting to it, and as an extension all the past avatars, you go into whats called the avatar state, as your body esentially beacomes a vessel for all the knowledge and power of every single past avatar, Ang learned how to take bending away from a lion turtle spirit at the end of the first series, its not too much of a streatch to assume that he figured out how to restore bending as well, so when korra goes into the avatar state (shown by the glowing eyes, and increadibly powerefull bending) she gains angs knoweldge of taking away and (presumebly) restoring somebodys bending.

    was it a tad rushed, perhaps, could they have figured a way to give you this information in this series, yeah, but it was defintly NOT a case of dues ex machina.

    personally i really enjoyed the entire series including the ending, but i also got more out of it having seen and loved the original series

  20. The Doctor says:

    Agreed I have seen and loved the original series in its entirety. I have seen all three of the original series in their unity and I love them. I watched the new one and admit that even with the ending I love it all the same even with the rushed ending because if you watched the original series it makes perfect sense.

    Still, as someone who is a fan of jap anime as well as Avatar I admit that I see where the others are coming from. Me myself I would have rather seen a series where Korra tried to regain her routes with the other three elements than just have all of the deceased avatars come out of her ass (still love Korra’s character by the way) and re-establish her connection with bending slowly and methodically rather than right away.

    That’s just me though, and with the calibre of the writers I am not going to give up on the next book, but I do admit that I would rather have that kind of outcome to that series. It’s not deux ex mechanica and I do have an interest in where they are going, but it still seemed kind of rushed.

  21. happy win says:

    My chip with this series is that it just seemed to lack the …. cultural richness if you will, as the first series. Earth nation fire nation, different groups different ethnic vibes, it just had republic city, just the one city. It was cool and I do like the idea but it just lost some of the depth and richness of the first series.

    Than there was the matter of the whole lightning bending, wasn’t that the purest form of fire bending. The one zuko couldn’t even do? Now its used by everyone for welding….. OK cool I guess
    Than blood bending, I used to like it but here it was like the chest code win
    Sorry I can’t loose I have blood bending.

    Romance also detracted from the whole show for me. Maybe because I’m not 13 maybe because I don’t like twilight, I font know but the romance just didn’t do it for me, the whole hugy lovey I lobe you ending just felt like…. I’m watching a cartoon for children.

    I was so excited to watch this being a huge fan of the original. Maybe that was my problem to high of expectations. It just dissipointed me enough where I’m not really interested in where they want to go from here. This is just my personal opinion, if you like this series or the romance or whatever thats awesome really. It just didn’t do it for me as we all have unique taste in anime, mine not as superior than anyone else.

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SuperMario
@anon1039488: I find the idea of limiting excess to exclusively stream an aime is a dumb idea; because as long as people have a chance to expose to the anime they won't really care to check it out. So I detest owning the legal streaming account, but I always pay back by buying DVDs/Blurays that I liked
SuperMario
I watched House of Five Leaves by the same mangaka and I really enjoyed it. Nataume Ono is a pretty excelent storyteller (a bit mixed on her art-style thou)
SuperMario
@Kaiser: I agree that the first dew episodes of ACCA were not that engaging but the endingg neatly tied up all loose ends. I still feel Grossular's act is kind of messy (why was he under such control from Lilium? He's not that kind to be in such passive role to be honest) but other than those I don't have any real complaints.
Anonymous1039488
Competition is good, but it makes it cost so much to legally watch everything. That's why a lot of people pirate I feel.
Anonymous1039488
You have Crunchryoll and Funi, fine. Then there's Daisuki which is kinda random. Then Amazon, Netflix, and Hulu all have some random anime, though it seems that mainly Amazon has current series
Anonymous1039488
I don't have Amazon Strike, which is like their new venture into anime I guess. There's too many streaming services to keep up with tbh
Kaiser-Eoghan
To be honest I'm pretty crap when it comes to supporting things, I don't pay for almost all the things I watch/read/play, I don't have a crunchy or amazon account, I still pirate legal streams.
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Anon: Is it a case that your country is blocked? Maybe go for a vpn? If you absolutely have to you could pirate the show...
Anonymous1039488
I wanna watch Re:Creators but don't have Amazon... :( alas
Kaiser-Eoghan
I feel like I need to wait and see approach with sekaisuru Kado...this prologue phase is...long...
Kaiser-Eoghan
I wish it had been 24 episodes long though to better organize itself.
Kaiser-Eoghan
Favourite characters were Jean, Groslur and Nino.
Can’t say I cared for the goofy interactions between Jean’s workfriends though.
Kaiser-Eoghan
Yet for whatever I could say about the pacing, when the twists happen they creep up on you and the show mostly lands every one of them, even if I’m not exactly pleased that sometimes the series does the “I pulled it out of the hat/ass” approach.
I’m relatively indifferent on the art/animation.
Kaiser-Eoghan
I did feel it picks up, improves by the mid-mark and to an extent the wait is worth it and things do come together even if I wasn’t always totally confidant with how it was getting there.
Kaiser-Eoghan
Having the protagonist go from district to district to flesh out the settings a decent enough idea and the main characters a fairly chill, cool guy.
Though the dialogue does create suspicion, intrigue, it does also plod/pad in equal measure at times.
Kaiser-Eoghan
Finally decided to sit down and watch Acca.
This show had its lovers/haters I’m sure, having watched it my feelings are mixed.
It is a slight breath of fresh air I’ll give it that and makes me want to maybe re-assess of adaptations of the author’s work.
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Mario: The only assayas film I've encountered so far that I disliked was Irma Vep, even though the lead actress was great, the surrounding performances, especially by Jean-Pierre-Lenaud were awful. Sils Maria I was initially evasive of because I'd heard that the relationship between Binoche and Stewarts characters was under-unexplored.
SuperMario
@Kaiser: Weersathakul's films are something else entirely...Otherworldly yet still cinematic. I feel a bit underwhelmed after watching the Unknown girl. The identity of the culprit, for example, feel forced for me that take me out our their naturalistic style. I'mmin between Clouds of sils maria too, know it's a good movie but it feels pretentous at times, like the movie Youth
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Mario: I also got round to watching Unknown girl by Dardenne, it carries enough moments of their brilliance but I felt they didn’t have as much mastery over their usual pacing style this time round, for the first time it felt like a thriller that played out like a drama, rather than a drama that has a pseudo thriller feel to it.
Going to watch Clouds of sils Maria next.
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Mario: The entire second half, which I’d have watched an entire film about is very atmospheric and dreamy/esoteric nearing just exactly the kind of thing I like.
The way he uses/shoots Thailands geography along with his cinematography is impressive, particularly in that second half.
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Mario: He shoots something simple like a chopping scene in a strangely engaging way, the scene with the old woman going into the cave is also very impressively shot and that one driving scenes with that pop song in the background has an airy feel to it.
In some ways I agree that there’s a bit of sensuality to it.
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Mario: It’s the kind of film that feeling tired/relaxed when watching it isn’t a condemnation of it(although a share of moments in the first half could be patience testing), it’s the sort of film where you aren’t really aware of anything outside of watching the film when you watch it.
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Mario: I finally looked into a Weersathakul film, Tropical Malady. I don’t even know how to give a star rating for this film.
SuperMario
I'm still on the fence with Alice & Zouroku. Like the title suggests, the warm chemistry between those two are its strongest point, but those moments are far and few in between as the story progresses and I don't care one bit about the Red Queen storyline. I might drop this one if the story doesn't improve
SuperMario
@Lenlo: 3 episodes anf Berserk still hasn't grabbed me as much. Yep facial expressions are really off-putting
Lenlo
Man... the facial expression in Berserk for the 3D models are, ever so slowly, killing me.
AidanAK47
Alright. Tommarrow I will get out all those posts I am late on seeing as the impressions are all finished.
AidanAK47
SukaSuka still has me mixed. On one hand there really are some great ideas and some well executed moments. But some of the dialogue is a bit typical of a light novel and the fanservice is really shameless. The massage at the end of the episode was something the show could really do without.
Konstantinos Travlos
I am in love with RE:Creators. I have no idea if they will keep it as good, but these two first episodes did all the right things.
AidanAK47
Alright, Easter made me lazy so it's time to play catch up.
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Puran: Or even Georgiou Nikolaidis while I'm at it, morning patrol is a great mood piece. Not familiar with the other guy.
Puran
@Kaiser: No Grammatikos recommendation? :)
SuperMario
I still enjoy Zero pretty much. I like the contrast between the beastfallen and Zero. The hilarious lines sound more like accidental to me, not the best product but I enjoy the ride so far
SuperMario
@Kaiser: agree with everything you said. Apparently Haneke put Flashmob on hold because the main actress was conflicting in her schedule, so he decided to do Happy End instead
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Aidan: Does the old man represent gritty anime of old? I don't know honestly I'm just throwing it out there.
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Mario: In case you hadn't heard, Haneke dropped the Flashmob movie and is now doing one about the refugee crisis.
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Mario: To whoever will be playing Godard in that biopic, I'd wonder if they could capture how incredibly douchey he sounds irl lol
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Mario: There is such a big divide between 50s/60s Bresson and 70s/80s Bresson.
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Mario: Lathimos and Avaranas remind me in an odd way of Tarr in that they're the only Greek filmakers people seem to talk about , Check out Koundorous and Theodorous Angelopolous' works if you can.
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Mario: Meh, I don't like that sort of overly on the nose social commentary some American films and tv shows do in recent years.
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Mario: Godards extremely hit or miss with me. Hazanavicius did the artist I think, but I'd sooner recommend Biancnieves as a stronger example of a modern take on silent cinema or maybe a Guy Maddin film.
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Mario: Lotznitza directed a gentle creature not Zvyagintsev, though the latter is a fantastic director, Leviathan's ending hit me very very hard, its gut punching and I appreciated that the return never went into too much detail regarding the father.
SuperMario
@Kaiser: off topic, I didn't realize Get Out having such buzz reception. It's coming here next week so I will get to watch it
SuperMario
@Kaiser: Michel Hazanavicius makes a biopic about Jean-Luc Godard and Anne Wiazemsky (the actress in Au Hasard Balthazard), which I think will be interesting. I considered The Lobster one of the best film out of that year so I anticipate his next movie a hell lot. Yep, I watched few movies from Andrey Zvyagintsev and he certainly is in my radar. Bleak, social commentary, technical impressive
AidanAK47
Oh, it's confirmed that was what was actually said in Japanese. Well...that's rather cringe worthy.
AidanAK47
@Anon, Can't say I am too fond of it myself. Though that arrow to the knee reference definitely sounds like something the translator added in.
Anonymous1026829
Holy shit Zero is hilarious. "I used to be a mercenary like you once. But then I took an arrow to the knee." "My magic is super weak so I need a powerful offering. Can you loan me your head please?" The comedy is so pointed and understated.
Vonter
I do like how contrasting Zelda is to Nier in the sense that. Zelda cares more about how the game plays and making the player have fun constantly but doesn't care about telling something. Nier Automata doesn't care what it throws to the player but cares a lot about it tells the things that happen to player.
Vonter
I think this is a hard game to score. Mainly because IMO the combat has wear out a bit do to the repetition and the sidequests have been a mixed bag with some being relevant to the plot or themes and some being just fodder to level up. On the other hand the game has a lot of implications, subtext and symbolism that so far has been enriching to reflect upon.
AidanAK47
@Vonter, Actually wrote up 4/5s of a review on Nier Automata but with the new season I haven't had time to finish writing the review. Though my thoughts on it are similar to yours.
Vonter
Nier Automata has a 10+ hour prologue. So far the game feels like it's more interested in delivering strong emotions than a compelling narrative, not that script is poor but seems disjointed in a way, circling around the themes of existentialism, purpose and truth without overexpositing about these things. It also some moments remind me of Fragile Dreams. Like the despair.
AidanAK47
The old man is the one I can't pin down. Been thinking he might represent the kind of anime that's critically lauded but sadly unpopular. Makes sense as he's one of the few on the opening that doesn't stand near ads for his anime. Or else he's a live action drama representative.
AidanAK47
Been wondering about the Re:Creators characters. We got the obvious representatives from Magical girl, Mecha, Light novel and video game. The knight girl looks like clear homage to Saber from Fate so a Visual novel representive? The psycho girl looks to be a chunni anime representative. And the guy who appeared at the end of ep 2 is clearly Shounen.
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Mario: The Ramsay one sticks out as the most interesting to me as does the lathimos one. I'm curious about that Russian one about the woman looking for her imprisoned husband as I'd like to watch more contempory Russian films.
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Mario: If you can get passed the accents Ramsay did a strong piece of social realism in the 90s called Ratcatcher.
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Mario: I think the only Baumbach film I've seen is Frances Ha and I liked the new wavey feel it had. With The lobster and re-watching dogtooth I was able to get into Lathimos' pitch black humour alot more. I've never actually seen a hong-sang so film.
AidanAK47
@Amagi, I still really enjoy it but I do get what you mean. Looking at the series overall so far it does feel like there was lost potential.
Amagi
I honestly still don't know what to think of LWA. I wasn't a fan of the formularic first half but the second half doesn't really catch me either. I loved the first OVA though.
AidanAK47
Well I will be damned. That G Koh commenter managed to predict the inclusion of Yggdrasil in Little Witch Academia. Nicely done.
SuperMario
@Kaiser: sadly i won't make it this year. I wanna try the Toronto International Film Fest next time whenever I have a chance
SuperMario
@Kaiser:you heard about this year's Cannes selection?Overall it's solid, not many that scream "masterpiece" for me.Overall I'm exciting for Hong Sang Soo's new movies (he has 2 movies screening at Cannes and 1 already aired at Berlin.What the hell),and The Killing of the Scared Deer(Yorgos Lnthimos), You were never really here (Lynne Ramsay),Okja(Bong Joon Ho) and Meyerowitz Stories(Noah Baubach)
Kaiser-Eoghan
Hmmm...just found out That Blame! 2017 is being done by a the Ajin director, not sure how I felt about that.
AidanAK47
Think this is the best time to end the series too as the difficultly was getting to be a bit too cheap.
AidanAK47
Lore wise it's pretty disappointing. Ending the game with an enemy that doesn't really have that much relevance. But Gameplay wise it was excellent. The final area was just beautiful.
Lenlo
Ringed City was a great piece of DLC and a good way to end the series imo.
AidanAK47
Dark souls sure can give you workout. Finally got around to finishing the ringed city DLC. Funny thing is that people were raving about how hard Midir was when I didn't have that much trouble with him. Gaol gave me some trouble but I managed it. Hardest was the demon prince and god I hate multi stage boss fights. Such a goddamn pain.
SuperMario
Atom still waiting for suitable subs. I swear to God, for a completist like myself the wait is unbearable, especially it should've been available already
HelghastKillzone
Yes it is.
Anonymous1020539
I mean...
Anonymous1020539
Re:producers is really great
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Aidan: I can see myself chancing more of it, I kind of caught into its rhythm a bit.
AidanAK47
Novels are actually really short. About 90 pages long per volume. They really could cover this in a single cour.
AidanAK47
@Kaiser, SukaSuka? From what I could tell it covered the first two chapters of the light novel. Each novel has 5 chapters. Though the first and last chapter are more of a prologue and epilogue respectively.
Kaiser-Eoghan
Actually if shuumatsu's first episode is going faster than the novel, roughly how much so? Its still obviously a slow burn in animated format but how much was covered in episode 1?
AidanAK47
Could have done without the huge infodump but otherwise still loving Re:Creators. Seeing a magical girl shocked over her own level of destructive power was great.
Kaiser-Eoghan
Eh, I liked the use of music early on in shuumatsu and theres a good mood set up early on along with a good opening scene but the later parts of the episode except maybe for the after credits bit get a shrug from me.
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Mario: Kado has made its hook, now it needs not to keep holding its cards and get going.
SuperMario
hmmm, don't know what to think about Kado ep2. Still good but I expected more
SuperMario
But really my mentality is that this site comes first. Getting more traffic and improve the site are my top priorities, then "what I wanna do for myself" comes later
SuperMario
@Travlos: guess you won't have to read me this season :). Haven't checked out the last episode of Kado yet but based from the first 2 episodes I think you'd enjoy that show.
Don’t worry. It’s something Aidan and me both agree on. We pretty much write for ourselves, otherwise we couldn’t have stayed this long. I get a chance to go off track once in a while to write something I wanna write.
Konstantinos Travlos
@SuperMario. I am definitely watching Shingeki no Koyjin 2, Shingeki no Bahamut 2, Re:Creators, Little Witch Academia, and probably Kado and Zero Kara. I may also do Zipang this season.
On the reaction reaction. What you say is ok. But remember, a hobby is something you do for yourself. There is a limit to how much you should care about the views of others. :)
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Lenlo: Or if I can use a quote from Chang from Black lagoon : "A fragranced shit will forever still retain the smell of shit"
Lenlo
As most likely the biggest Berserk fan in this chatbox, its better but that doesnt make it good. Spraying fabreeze on crap doesnt make it any more appealing. Yet I will watch it anyways.
Anonymous1018231
You don't even know
Anonymous1018231
Lies Aidan it is soooo much better
Anonymous1017807
Tbh I'm enjoying Alice to Zouroku so much simply because I identify with the old guy's no-nonsense attitude. It's fun to see the annoying loli get put in her place. X.D
AidanAK47
Anyway Bam is supposed to be covering it. Seeing as he covered the first season.
AidanAK47
@Anon, I watched the first episode of the second season. Better? Yes, but only slightly.. It has all the same problems as the first season.
Anonymous1017501
and nobody's covering it lol
Anonymous1017501
Like dramatically
Anonymous1017501
It really is much better
Anonymous1017501
You know guys its not too late to start watching Berserk Season 2...
AidanAK47
I just get annoyed when interaction is like "HUMAN, YOUR EMOTION RESPONSE IS DIFFERENT. I THEORIZE THIS IS THE REASON YOUR EMOTIONAL RESPONSE IS DIFFERENT."
Their is a definite layer of pretentiousness in how it's written, seeing how nobody gets annoyed when every character tries to psychological profile them.
AidanAK47
@Mario, I have heard word that these two episodes were a prologue story and the real story is going to kick into gear next episode. But if the characters keep talking like this then it's not going to matter what happens. It will just be terrible.
AidanAK47
@Anon, Jojo part 5 died for this. That makes it all the sadder. Plus it's two cour so this show is gonna be on for half a year.
SuperMario
Being said all that I will follow it for 1 more episode
SuperMario
And then that girl who passed away because of the reset. I feel my emotions drying up at that point. Tasteless. Heartless
SuperMario
Wanna say the same thing regarding Sagrada Reset as well. I have the feeling the show tries to sound smart that ultimately if I hear someone talks like this in real life, I would go punch his face. Manipulating the social worker by slitting your own wrist? WHAT? Asking a girl about her rules, then whenever she answers you give your own warped opinions on it to sound like you know it all? WHAT
Anonymous1016169
@Aidan: Lol, Sagrada reminds me of how I used to write. Pretentious, overly complex dialogue that nobody would use in real life unless they were trying too hard. It grits on my ears so much that I don't think I can keep watching it, especially because this is probably how it's going to be for the whole series.
Anonymous1016169
@Amagi: I feel your pain. I used to enjoy those types of shows, but I've found more and more since getting out of high school that they just make me want to take a nap. It doesn't help that they're everywhere. X.D
AidanAK47
God Sagrada Reset is frustrating. So many good ideas, all absolutely ruined by the dialogue and characters. If you just changed the dialogue a bit and made the characters emote more then this would be so very interesting. But they manage to drain the life out of the story.
AidanAK47
@Amagi, in most cases you can easily write off the ones not worth your time based on the summery. Occasional those kinds of show can turn out to be worth watching but it just doesn't happen often enough.
Amagi
Nothing against those types of anime in general, but it's just not aimed at me I guess. - I also should specify: school (semi)harem, not school alone. I enjoy Tsuki ga Kirei.
Amagi
I really love this season but I should stop testing the school- and shoujo stuff. It's almost never worth the time and it always bores me so much that I have to stop watching anime for a few hours.
Anonymous1016169
@Travlos: Why does a hobbyist artist care when someone critiques their art or a fanfic writer care about reader feedback? When you do something you enjoy, it's normal to want to improve and other people's opinions are important for that.
SuperMario
@Travlos: because 1) We still need to listen to what readers say to improve and 2) we're debating more about rating system, which I also feel the need of upgrading. btw, any shows that catch your interests so far this season?
Konstantinos Travlos
Why do you guys care about what someone thinks about your reviews? You are doing a good enough thing as is, and t is a hobby. Do your thing and do not lose time on this.
Anonymous1015915
I think I'm just gonna follow sukasuka and re:creators this season. Seem to of shown the most potential universally.
Anonymous1015442
Soy and almond milk are also available as alternatives for the lactose intolerant.
Anonymous1015442
From the manga it seems like it would translate well into an anime with the right production values so I think I'm going to try it. I was mostly concerned that they'd push the melodrama even more through the roof, haha. I did see some of the reviews on it here and they made me hopeful that it was fairly well-executed.And of course the milk can be chocolate. Just not vanilla, vanilla milk is yuck i
Lenlo
Its certainly making me happy I waited until the end of the season to binge it.
SuperMario
I'd have the milk as well... Need more milk to my life.
SuperMario
Hope Scum's Wish entertains you, Lenlo. ^^
Lenlo
I will say the sound design has been great for Scums Wish though I have not read the manga to see how it matches up
Lenlo
I dont think "enjoyed" is the right word for this kind of show, but I do know im going to finish it.

Also, can the milk be chocolate?
Anonymous1015350
@Lenlo: That's true, but I also feel like everyone here needs some milk. And I've been reading the Scum's Wish manga and can't decide if it'll be worth it to watch the anime.
Lenlo
Scums Wish, 4 episodes in, has been the perfect little dose of depression I crave from each anime season.
Lenlo
I have to say, its a pretty fun break from super srs anime discussion sometimes
Anonymous1014938
There's so much sass in this chatbox sometimes I can't even. :.D
AidanAK47
Also please note that if data gathering results do not support your hypothesis that there will be no refunds
AidanAK47
I will have you know my data gathering services are quite expensive and I don't operate until paid.
Anonymous1014125
Aidan is providing the data for us.
Lenlo
You do know that for the scientific method, you make a hypothesis and then you run experiments to produce data to prove or disprove said hypothesis. It cant just sit in limbo and then you go "I was right". You have to provide data at some point. At this point, you have yet to provide any data to support what you say.
Sir Robin
You seem to have never heard of the scientific method then Aidan. You don't need proof before you formulate an hypothesis. Fortunately this most recent development of you being wrong supports it.
AidanAK47
I am sure Sir Robin would be delighted to hear this but I think I was wrong in my assessment of SukaSuka(Shūmatsu Nani Shitemasu ka? Isogashii Desu ka? Sukutte Moratte Ii Desu ka?) That insert song at the begining of the episode was masterful and a number of things have changed my mind about it. It may be more interesting than I first expected. First novel was still pretty boring though.
AidanAK47
Should have another impressions post up today. As for what I am covering that's Little Witch Academia, Attack on Titan and Sekaisuru Kado.
AidanAK47
At least we never have to fight tooth and nail to cover something as what we want to cover never clashes.
SuperMario
Which mean 2 PA Works, 2 original shows and 3 slice-of-life shows. Well done Mario for being predictable and consistently boring as ever
SuperMario
3 more new shows to go. This season has to be one of the longest stretch of new shows in a while. Still waiting for how well Atom the Beginning will perform but if nothing change I will cover Eccentric Family 2, Tsuki ga Kirei and Sakura Quest this season.
AidanAK47
@Anon, I can take criticism. In fact I welcome it. It helps for me to address weaknesses in my writing. I want Sir Robin to provide proof because A) it would make his opinion actually be worth something and B) so I can use it to improve. But I can't do anything with something like "You're shit. Stop being shit. You shit."
Lenlo
No, the one who makes a claim is responsible to prove it. A claim is dubious at best until proven to be true.
Anonymous1012498
I don't see why Sir Robin should be assed to show proof. He's either right or he's wrong. People are perfectly able to come to their own conclusions. I guess the onus is on you to not prove him right, Aidan.
Kaiser-Eoghan
Seiji Kishi working on tsuki ga kirei...show ruined =<
Kaiser-Eoghan
Forever tainted, forever tainted.
Kaiser-Eoghan
...oh...oh God...this is one of those perfect coincidence things that is so repulsively funny...looking into animation for OTHER countries I found this really weird Belgian porny animated film about Desade, the puppet has a dong hand...now as I look at images from this...a youtube video of anime openings plays the midori no hibi opening...
SuperMario
@anon3: the incremental rating system like you said could work too, although I still prefer to use a number rating system. And psgels had built a massive anime rating in that format that I think it's a shame that we ignore that completely
Kaiser-Eoghan
Still frustrating not being able to enjoy Shinkai's films, knowing in particular with Your Name, like with all his films I'm in the minority in not getting the appeal. Because of the acclaim around him I WANT to like his work.
HelghastKillzone
That was my message below and I'll do a write-up some time soon.
Anonymous1012254
so... last night, I watched Your Name and I'm very glad I saw it in theaters and didn't get the plot spoiled to me over the last two years.
AidanAK47
Anyway to prevent confusion I believe I will nickname our little friend Sir Robin. In reference to his crusader spirit and...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jYFefppqEtE#t=2m23s
AidanAK47
Though it's not exactly ideal as you will only keep that name while yo are on the sites page and If you leave you can't use it again until a day has passed.
AidanAK47
@Anon109, Might be a good idea to use that change username button on this chatbox to give yourself a name. So you won't be mistaken for him.
Anonymous1012109
That was directed to anon btw
Anonymous1012109
You make it sounds like you're on a crusade for truth lol. It's just different ways of looking at things, calm down
AidanAK47
Consider that an ultimatum.
AidanAK47
Actually be assed to put some evidence down. List a few examples which prove your point. Prove you have a point. Otherwise I see no reason to keep someone around whose only contribution is to call me an asshole that no one should listen to.
AidanAK47
@Anon, truth that requires no evidence it seems.
Quite the mighty crusade. Just one problem. If I wanted I could get rid of you at any moment. So here's the deal.
Anonymous1012052
@Aidan: so long as I keep reminding people that you don't know what you're talking about, people will be more conscious and figure the truth out for themselves
AidanAK47
Guessing this is the reason funimation doesn't have many simudubs this season. Others are nabbing up licenses.
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