Posted by psgels on 13 August 2012 with categories: Hyouka

Well done, Hyouka. I applaud you. This episode brought things together perfectly and it gave everyone a conclusion after so much time of build-up.

Chitanda had her part with the broadcasting club, followed by that interesting advice Irisu gave her. After so long trying to advertise the club, she indeed ended up doing things a bit ham-handedly, and got pointed out for it, and I like that she too realized that she’s not going to do that again and that it was just something necessary to sell all of those anthologies.

Ibara meanwhile had this really genuine conclusion with that one girl, and I like how it indeed was true that there was a reason for her acting like that. That on its own was perhaps nothing special, but it removed so much stress from Ibara that it was really charming to see her, after how well the previous episodes portrayed her state of mind.

The real stars of the episode were Hotarou and the actual culprit: the vice president of the student council. My guess turned out to be half-right, I guess. Hotarou just went with his hunch speculated a bit and successfully managed to unmask the guy. And I think that that is the difference between him and Satoshi: imagination. Hotarou is really able to think between the lines. And the story behind everything was awesome, in which the whole plot was used as a way to ask a really good writer to continue with what he was doing.

This is really how you create a slow-paced series right. Instead of dragging things out, you use the extra time to give mode detail to the setting, characters, storyline. It’s because of all that build-up that this episode was so good, and I really like how believable the cast turned out here. If the creators can take this even further for the final arc, then it’ll really become amazing.
Rating: 6/8 (Awesome)

31 Responses

  1. vjott says:

    I loved this arc! The interaction between Satoshi and Ibara was good. Watching Satoshi admit disappointment in himself was interesting, I wonder how his development will progress from there. Chitanda was her usual self but she seemed to have realized that the Irusu’s advice was not suitable for her because she’s too direct (blunt). Oreki was definitely interesting. Now we know why he said that he did not want to involve Chitanda because she “might not approve” of what he wanted to do (ie, blackmail). All in all, a nice arc. I suppose that the next arc will, sadly, be the last.

  2. jzar says:

    Yeah, this one was awesome. I had to watch it twice.

  3. nodbgp says:

    I also applaud you Hyouka. Keep it up on the last arc please ;)

  4. Cytl says:

    Great episode to conclude a great arc. Of course Oreki was awesome and the continuous development of Satoshi is as interesting as always but what surprised me the most was the conclusion of Mayaka’s sub-plot. I mean, I wasn’t THAT interested in her’s and even when we already knew that her story was going to be involved with the main plot: the way it exemplified the “genius vs hard-worker” premise that started the movie arc and how much of a bitter-sweet end it was; the highlight of the climax for me.

    • meow says:

      Same. Especially that Manga Club senpai. She’s by no means lacking in talent but to be soundly beaten out of the blue by a close friend who, as far as she knew, didn’t even read manga much. Well, I think she’s the whole package while her friend was just a writer though. She tore through that Manga Poster contest, complete with coloring while Mayaka could barely get through the penciling.

  5. rob says:

    I consider this a quite a wild theory, but I believe that Hyouka gave fans a little bit of freedom to interpret their own conclusion; in terms of romance. Where Satoshi admitted his disappointment to Ibara, I believe the cut-off for that scene was purposely rough; especially, when you consider Hyouka’s transitions are usually so smooth.

    I think at this point, it’s clear that there have been definite subtleties in terms of romance, especially surrounding Satoshi. Hyouka has definitely suggested forms of fan service between; Satoshi and Houtarou; and Satoshi and Ibara. At that cut-off, I’d like to presume that fans were meant to either interpret the scene to be Ibara confessing, or even Satoshi maybe admitting his feelings about Houtarou. Of course, it’s all down to interpretation and maybe even wishful thinking on my behalf.

    • hoiut says:

      Wow. The theory that Satoshi is gay for Houtarou is the stuff of the most *intriguing* doujins, but probably nothing more.

      That’s not to say it’s impossible, of course. ;-)

  6. Millz says:

    I really enjoyed the underlying theme of this whole arc – expectations. Made me remember some of my own experiences that are related, and the fact that I learned it the hard way that one should pretty much not expect anything from others, or else he’ll be only let down one way or the other.

    Back to this anime. Everything concerning this topic was wrapped up so beautifully: Chitanda’s expectations of Hotarou to find the reason behind the lost items case, Satoshi’s expectations for Hotarou to find the culprit, Mayaka’s expectations of the authors behind “A Corpse something something” (can’t remember the full title) as a masterpiece, the student council president’s wish for his talented friend to continue creating manga… Only Oreki seems to fall out of the equation. At least he would have if we were talking about the beginning of the story. Now, however, he seems to be the only one who’s actually trying hard on his own, while not expecting much help from others.

    Overall, this was a great episode of Hyouka – the best one so far. When you come to enjoy some anime as much as this one, you really start wishing for it to continue for a long time to come.

    • meow says:

      Only Oreki seems to fall out of the equation.

      No. Hourarou has someone he admires and envies too. As great a difference in ability Satoshi feels towards Houtarou, I think Houtarou feels a great difference towards someone too. The someone who practically dropped the answer to the puzzle on his lap. I wonder if she’s the reason why Houtarou doesn’t try hard at anything anymore.

      • hoiut says:

        Haha, well played as always, professor meow! I certainly didn’t see that myself, and only now that you mention it do the signs start to appear to me. And it makes perfect sense! Kudos to you!

        If they can weave the sekitani jun + expectations themes together for Houtarou, I can foresee only victory in the character development department.

  7. Puran says:

    Yup, this was awesome. The story of course was good, but the direction also felt great. Really, Kyoani is doing a great job with this series.

    All in all this was a great arc. The festival felt really alive, all the characters got a lot of development, the theme of expectations was excellent and the whole thing of talent vs hard work was awesome too (there was a little bit of that in the previous arc as well).

    Small correction :

    “which the whole plot was used as a way to ask a really good writer to continue with what he was doing.”

    I believe it was a really good artist. I mean they already had the story and script for the new manga, but the artist didn’t want to draw it, because drawing manga was only a passing interest of his.

    • meow says:

      About Muneyoshi, there were two other theories I considered.

      One was that once Anjou Haruna transferred out, his motivation to continue the project disappeared.

      The other was that maybe he felt that the work he’d done on “Corpse by Evening” was the best work he could ever do and he didn’t feel like he could surpass it. While his fans may have expected the world of him, the artist himself may have felt that he had already exceeded his limits and anything else he tried would only pale in comparison and let down everyone’s expectations.

  8. Scruffy says:

    I think that the theme of this arc really was frustration, in particular the frustration of those that have the desire to achieve something watching those disinterested doing it better than they can. There’s nothing that pisses you off more than trying your best and failing, then seeing someone just ‘have a go’ and pulling it off.

    • Differences in ability, geniuses and average people, savants and those who aspire, basically, how we all feel about ourselves in compared to others. I honestly think its quite cruel that skill can’t just be earned with just effort, however it is far more cruel when someone is blessed with ability you desperately want; and they don’t even care about it, its nothing to them, this was highlighted earlier in the series when Irisu was manipulating Oreki with that story

  9. JasonP says:

    Yes, this episode really brought up Hyouka another step from “good” to “great”. If only they can capture the spirit of this now and move on cleanly and not suffer too many diversions into pandering… *crosses fingers*

  10. UltimateReaper says:

    I’m sure we can all agree this episode was rather great.
    It was fantastically fun to watch, and I think it was able
    to show just how overwhelming Oreki’s prowess is
    Hell even I’m jealous, because I’m sure that there are people with
    that kind of deduction ability.

  11. Mormegil says:

    Poor Satoshi and Mayaka…

    Certainly one of the best school festival arcs out there.

  12. WT says:

    What about Oreki’s sister???? What role does she play in this? How the hell did she figure out the whole thing just by reading the newspaper club’s posted report? And to give Oreki the manga? Hopefully, we will learn more about her in the final arc.

    • wicked says:

      She seems to already had that manga before she read anything. It’s not like she made multiple trips to school.

      • meow says:

        The manga she gave to Oreki was the key piece to the puzzle that allowed Oreki to solve it. There’s no way he would have known about Kudryavka’s Order otherwise. I highly doubt it was a simple coincidence. Why did she even bring it with her to the Festival? XD

        How the hell did she figure out the whole thing just by reading the newspaper club’s posted report?

        I don’t think she was reading the Newspaper Club bulletin. I think she was outside the Executive Committee Meeting room staring at the Kanya Festival poster drawn by Kugayama Muneyoshi (the Student Prez and artist of that “A Corpse by Evening” manga). Her tapping foot seemed to indicate that all the gears were turning in her head before she seemed to come to some kind of conclusion and she headed straight for Oreki. I think she graduated a year or two before Oreki came in this year so she may have been acquainted with all the parties involved in this case.

  13. ai-ai says:

    This was such a wonderful and lively arc, I’m so satisfied with the ending!

    By the way, could it be that Satoshi’s pink iPhone case is an allusion to A Study in Pink from BBC Sherlock? Since he said that he is Sherlockian earlier. Well, Satoshi really likes ‘shocking pink’ so it might be just a councidence, but those phones look really similiar.

    • boo says:

      Oh you have noticed this too?! It could be a coincidence but since Hyouka has all these little nuances I also think that it was on purpose.

    • Happio says:

      probs coincidence due to publishing dates/sherlock air dates. though it could be an anime orig thing, if so idk

  14. wicked says:

    I think the thing that makes Houtarou different from the usual shonen detective that’s interesting is that he is almost always wrong on the motive, and usually he’s not even close

  15. Arno says:

    Contrarily to the majority I found it profoundly anti-climactic.

    All that build-up for just that : fuzzy angsty feelings ??? Plus the bad taste of displaying exactly the same feelings from two different senpais ???

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@Mario I'll be home by new years unfortunately, I'll have to settle for Christmas in tokyo.
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@Mario The person I'm travelling with wants to spend Christmas at Disney Tokyo, and unsurprisingly nearly all places will still be open, same as NYC. Christ, I'm more worried about my wallet.
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@K-Off: Makes sense. I'd say better stick in one place for long days rather than short trips in several places. Even 10 days for those 2 places wouldn't be enough imo, well especially during Xmas since the streets will be busy and many places could be closed (I guess?)
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@Mario It doesn't seem like I'll go to Osaka, the goal is to explore Kyoto and Tokyo and much as possible for a week and a half. If I can squeeze it in there I will, but that means spending less time in Kyoto and/or Tokyo. The bulk of my trip will be in Tokyo for now.
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Yeah, Kenshin had a whole Kyoto act, but it was more historical anw and I feel it didn't explore the city that much (more of a ruined city)
Really, only uchoten Kazoku, tatami galaxy and durarara come to mind. Are you planning to go to Osaka as well? I heard from my friend Osaka is about an hour drive from Kyoto only.
K-Off
@Anon174851 Ah good one.
@Mike Thanks. Durarara is a good suggestion, but I haven't watched Rurouni Kenshin.
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@Kaiser Sure, the story doesn't do anything for me but it's not a waste of time.
@K-Off You can do pretty much anything in Tokyo I'll bet. Anime in general aside from shows like Durarara don't emphasize the setting very much... Kyoto is more interesting, rurouni kenshin is the first thing that comes to mind.
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uchouten kazoku is a really good one set in kyoto!
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Haven't heard of it. Anyways, do you guys have any suggestions for favorite anime series set in Kyoto or Tokyo? I'm planning my itinerary and the idea is to take a lot of side by side comparison pictures from their anime depictions to RL. I have YuruYuri, SYD, Detective Conan, and various KyoAni spots in mind, but my brain isn't remembering others.
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So Rewrite took the "Bad End" route. Interesting. Their choice, not the show of course which was a freaking mess from start to finish.
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@Mario Thanks, although I'll be working the whole time I'm at Seoul with sundays off. Expecting about 40-50 hours of work a week. Sucks that your trip got canned, in the Winter there's no place you'd want to be other than southern California.
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Congrats K-Off. Hope you enjoy the trip. I myself originally planned to go to US on this December but now the plan got wrecked. Should be fun spending Xmas in Japan especially
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Got my international drivers permit from AAA today, and it also looks like I'm stuck with over half the travel fees since I've signed myself off the agency plan. It's now official, I'm going to Seoul and then spending my christmas holidays in Tokyo. Been a long time since I left the country, last time was in 2011.
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So Thunderbolts Fantasy :D Totally called the pipe being a sword (assuming it wasn't shown earlier and I just forgot about it)
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Medium not meduim
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Chinese cartoons proof that two nukes weren't enough. Or were too much depending on the perspective
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oh, talking about teenage horror female movie, make sure to check out Raw whenever its available online. That is one hell of a fun cannibal ride!
SuperMario
my point is we tend to spend our stupid 20s phase feel like its wasted, but really it does help develop our hobby/sense/wisdom, whatever it is.
Kaiser Eoghan
I find myself now that I've grown up wanting to punch kid characters from horror films lol
Kaiser Eoghan
About the watching stories with younger female characters...its starting to feel like I shouldn't be or that it doesn't feel appropriate, actually sort of awkward/skeevy.
SuperMario
True enough. But remember that even Quentin Tarantino had his 20s basically just a movie-clerk, watched movies like a maniac and he made that classic Pulp Fiction when he was like 33
Kaiser Eoghan
Looking back It feels dickish that I laughed reading NHK.
Kaiser Eoghan
I mean look at Re-life, I mean ow, everyone went through that.
Kaiser Eoghan
I think we'll find that stage where we'll get irritated by stories reminding us of our stupid 20s phases eventually just as some teenage focused anime/manga annoyingly remind us of being teens.
Kaiser Eoghan
In terms of anime/manga, much as I'd still see myself liking NHK I could see myself getting more frustrated with the lead character now being in my early 30s.
Kaiser Eoghan
In the past year I've been looking at hentai/ecchi imageboards not as often as I used to.
Kaiser Eoghan
Judy Delphy and Juliette Binoche have aged surprisingly well...
Ah its less fancying/finding them attractive, moreso taking notice of them.
SuperMario
I can understand the others but Meryl Streep too? Man, you're aging I can tell
Kaiser Eoghan
@Mario: Julianne Moore, Isabelle Huppert, Meryl Sreep, Susan Sarandon, Cate Blanchett.
SuperMario
@Kaiser: like whom if I may ask?
SuperMario
But I'm always interested in women issues myself so Mustang just hit me hard
Kaiser Eoghan
Its a sign of me aging I guess too. I'm noticing older actresses too now where I wouldn't have in the past.
SuperMario
Looking forward to Under the Shadow too, also really keen to see how The Bad Batch would turn out to be
SuperMario
Strangely I've become more engaged with teen, coming-of-age films recently (well, Aku no Hana is sort of teen drama as well),but yes, old man's psyche is my thing too
Kaiser Eoghan
@Mario: Synecdoche, the passenger, winter light, anomalisa , wild strawberries , la notte for example.
Kaiser Eoghan
@Mario: The day is coming where drama centred around twentyboppers won't have the same level of effect on me. Had I seen buffalo 66 5 years ago I would have been all over it. Old man/middle age angst is becoming more my thing.
Kaiser Eoghan
@Mario: I'm honestly having a harder time getting into films that focus on young girls/teenagers.
Kaiser Eoghan
@Mario: Theres only a few upcoming films left I'm looking forward to, Elle, Valley violence, whispering star and under the shadow.
Kaiser Eoghan
@Mario: I appreciate mustang for the issue it deals with and addresses but I felt it predictable and the drama didn't hit harshly enough. It feels like an academy/oscars film.
SuperMario
Kaiser: remember I mention about watching those 96 Cannes line-ups? I think I will get to watch them soon, since I downloaded all the movies already
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@Kaiser: btw, you hated Mustang? It's also one of my favorite film so far.
SuperMario
but maybe think of it that way will make the manga more entertaining...
SuperMario
You see Aku no Hana as a dark comedy? haha I'm speechless
Kaiser Eoghan
Like you Mario I don't care for heavy infodumping and that took me out of the new world.
Kaiser Eoghan
Bebop had that problem for me in that I saw outlaw star and trigun first.
Kaiser Eoghan
I still feel aku no hana is a guilty pleasure manga, a crazy dark comedy or maybe thats just my humour.
Kaiser Eoghan
Hataraku had me laughing up to episode 7, while Amagi felt stale from the start.
Looking back on Baccano I still like Claire and Russo but the other characters not so much, the main series is enjoyable enough but the extra episodes hold back the score.
I've never watched Habane straight through although I have finished the series. Ghost vs ergo? Ergos final episode wrecked the show.
Topgavin
I thing Hataraku was a lot more consistent, but Amagi had some standout episodes. For me the OVA, the pirate ship episode and the school episode were great. "Simply put, we have to go lewder" is one of my fav quotes
K-Off
How was that by the way? I never bothered to watch Amagi Brilliant Park all the way through because I felt so cynical about it after the first two episodes. Hataraku Mao Sama on the other hand was genuinely refreshing for the first half of the season.
SuperMario
In other news, The Eccentric Family is getting 2nd season. Now I'm filled with joy
SuperMario
Still feel bad to compare an 1-cour series (Baccano) to an 4-cours one. But in this case Baccano would take my cake.
Topgavin
I reckon The Devil is a Part Timer vs Amagi Brilliant Park would be a fun one, and I wouldn't know which would win.
AidanAK47
Baccano vs Durarara might make a good matchup. Baccano is the better one but Durarara does seem to be more popular.
Syndrome
Yeah it is a bit obvious and they dont share much in common anyway. Just that they are two of the most well known anime out there. I enjoyed NGE more than Cowboy Bebop, but I agree on the later beeing overall a better anime.
AidanAK47
Oh look. Berserks Manga is on Haitus again. Muira...just..at this point I ain't even mad. Just disappointed.
SuperMario
Well, new post on Flowers of Evil is out. Come eat it up.
SuperMario
@Syndrome: was thinking about that match-up (NGE vs Cowboy Bebop) but isn't it too obvious? I always intend to pick something that caught you guys off-guard haha
AidanAK47
@Syndrome, no contest. Cowboy Bebop wins outright.
Syndrome
On a serious note, for related anime, I would be curious about something like Ergo Proxy against Ghost in the Shell
Syndrome
Go for NGE vs Cowboy Bebop and watch the world burn
SuperMario
Yeah, I agree it's one of the main factors, but even so From the New World had a higher grade too. But I wouldn't pick Haibane Renmei against From the New World if I didn't think it had a chance to win. Those who loved the former really loved it, while people more appreciate From the New World than actually love it. Well, can't beat the consensus I guess.
Topgavin
I'd say a major reason for that would be the popularity difference. On MAL, Haibane has a following of 110k people, with FTNW having 270k.
SuperMario
I'm personally quite disappointed with the results. Will try harder for a more competitive match-up next time
AidanAK47
@Mario, if you say so. I say by now the victor has been decided.
SuperMario
@Aidan: we don't need to sticky the Versus Show again, as I will put up the Aku no Hana post tomorrow anyway
AidanAK47
Yeah the brightness got a bit much in some places after episode 18.
Topgavin
I thought the brightness was done well in the episode with Rem sitting beside Subaru's bed and her smiling/crying, but yeah this was too much
SuperMario
@anon125687: my thought exactly. While I was watching it I thought to myself that it's too bright!!
Anonymous125687
Why do final episodes overdo the blur effect and fuzzy lighting its literally over dramatic cancer. Just let it end normally ffs
afgm
Well, it's hard, since it doesn't really feel finished, so even if you know it will eventually end well if given a chance, you can't really put your full confidence behind those bets
AidanAK47
Got a bit long winded in that review and yet I feel like I really didn't get across what makes the series so good.
AidanAK47
Well that's the Re:Zero review written up. I will get to work on 91 days next and maybe Prisms Illya maybe after that. Lost all entuasim after they messed up that last episode in Illya. Overall it's been pretty disappointing.
AidanAK47
As for that twist. I think they could work it easily into a first episode. The impact would still be there for people marathoning the thing in the future and it would be a good "Oh Shit!" moment to start the second season. If they jump ahead a bit to a certain moment it would actually make for a great opener.
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