Posted by psgels on 9 September 2012 with categories: Sword Art Online

My memory with these kinds of things is not the best, but if I’m not mistaken, then this was the first time in which Kirito actually killed a person, right? I mean, not indirectly like what happened with that one guild of his, but in which he was actually forced to strike down and kill a fellow player. This episode was stuffed with character-development, of which that was only the tip of the iceberg: Kirito was forced to join a guild and he and Asuna officially became a couple (including the two of them sleeping together, which is something you rarely see outside of the outright porn shows). But I do feel that this episode was rather forced…

Kuradeel… I get why he was used, but I didn’t really like him before, and this episode did not change that. I mean, I like that he’d try something, considering that he hates Kirito quite a bit, but I feel that he also could have done that without the overacting. In fact, I think that the points in which the characters in this show go mental are hard to buy and annoying, and it didn’t really help that this was followed by a badly covered “I nearly killed you but because I like to talk to myself your ally arrived just in time to save you”-twist. If you’re going to go with a twist like that: at least deliver it properly, because to be honest, at this point I have pretty much been programmed to exactly point out the moment in which these twists happen due to how bloody overused they are. You could have shown this from Asuna’s point of view, perhaps. that would have spiced things up a bit, and at the same time it’d also show that she actually did something… other than look at Kirito on her personal map. A few weeks ago I complained that we saw her do very little guild-duties, and that’s a problem that still hasn’t really been fixed here.

The direction on was on other points really good though. I mean, ignore the hapless overacting and I got quite a few chills from how Kirito and that one guy were killed off. I also like how the creators succeeded in making the first night between Kirito and Asuna rather awkward. One complaint to this however is that things moved incredibly fast. I mean, the end of the episode moved right from sex to marriage in an instant. Wouldn’t it have worked better if the creators put some time between that?
Rating: 4.5/8 (Good)

87 Responses

  1. kazid33 says:

    I also complain about the fast passing here, but the chapter has to epic moments to thing about that.

    I thing Kuradell was really a good villain, really dangerous, no like the common talk bad guy. He planed his vengance, execute and nearly succed whit fast passing, i dont see him talking a do nothing, he talk and torture and killed at the same time nearly as fast as he could whit his actual skills. Is not his fault that Asuna got in time. Also Asuna cant killed him, and this nearly cost his life, this was a really dangerous situation and i aplaud the series for that. Kirito saved her and this follow the charm moment.

    let pass the fast passing this was the best episode of the entire season for me. 7/8.

  2. Ransom says:

    We already knew that Kuradell was a creepy stalker from before. I think that making him go mental here wasn’t that far-fetched.

    Also, Asuna’s arrival was also a strange thing in the novel, not because she arrived in the nick of time like the usual trope but because of the time it took here to get to that place, it’s even described in the novels. She exceeded the human limits :)

    • edlar says:

      Kirito has already killed several players, all of them being members of the Laughing Coffin Guild like Kuradeel.

      As for the Asuna-Kirito relationship, that is a failure of the anime adaptation. They were together as a party for much longer than the second episode suggests so they have actually known each other and were friends since close to the beginning.

  3. imredjimmy says:

    I pretty much have the same complaints as psgels does. I really don’t find this show outstanding or anything, I’m rather curious why it has such big buzz. Although buzz about a show doesn’t always have to do with the best animes out there….guilty crown anyone? Sword Art Online is nice. The episodes are better and I like how it used it’s side-stories to develop it’s characters further. I wish it was better. That’s pretty much all I have to say xD

    • Carbine Gammaximon says:

      ….damn. that pretty much sums it up. Do you have any idea how long i’ve been waiting for a faantasy anime? and it comes up like this? ah well, back to waiting again.

      • wicked says:

        Not that long? There was Legend of Legendary Hero 2010, Kemono no Souja Erin 2009, Shining Heart 2012. Do you mean good fantasy? then Kemono might be the only one that makes the list

        • TheUltimateReaper says:

          I don’t care what anybody says about Legend of Legendary Heroes, it was friggen amazing, and I loved every second it it.
          Minus the pilot episode. Nobody liked the pilot episode.

        • TheUltimateReaper says:

          Yeah I just liked it for what it was. Should have been so much more I think, but I’m fine with what it was. I doubt I’ll see a story like that any time soon though.

          • wicked says:

            well it’s popular enough that the Novel is still going on, just dont know if it’s ll ever get another anime since that one drew just awful ratings

        • TheUltimateReaper says:

          I might just read that if I can find translations. It’s a pity, I heard that’s what happened to Deadman Wonderland, even though the anime itself was magnificent, and to be honest, a bit heart wrenching.

        • Carbine Gammaximon says:

          I watched Legend of Legendary Heroes. I liked it, but left me hanging with that cliffhanger. Was disappointed by Tears to Tiara, but I’ll check Kemono. Thanks for the tip.

  4. Gustavo says:

    Can anyone tell me why the hell Kirito was defeated in de duel? His sword was about to cut the Shield guy and, then… What happened there? Was that his unique skill? Like stop time or Haste in near death situations?

  5. wicked says:

    I guess sleeping together rarely in non-mature themed anime, because I think I quickly came up with half a dozen instances of people sleeping together, off the to of my head, Rokka and her man in boytoy body, Kiritsugu with his assistant, Jin and his monster girlfriend, Mine Fujiko with practically everyone not name Lupin, Ole Yandere fav Yuno and her object of obsession Yuki. Unless you mean the main couple getting it on, then that number dwindles back down to next to zero.

    I dont really critique, just liked to poke fun. What’s Kuradeel’s beef with Godfry? Kuradeel must had some real deep hate of Godfry to ignore the stronger Kirito who drank less poison and humiliated him before and kill him first. Failure at villain 101 unless you took that course in Shounen academy.

    Is there a more overused phrase in anime than “xxx-kun, BAKA”?

    I guess with all the hoopla with Kirito “almost dying” everybody just decided not to talk about Heathcliff might be a cheater?

    I dont play online games, but what exactly do you do in a guild really on non-raiding days?

    • hoiut says:

      It seems like every anime this side of School Days. Man, if only School Days would’ve had some good ol’ hanky-panky in there. Maybe with a Nice Boatload of that, the resulting melodrama would have screwed the cast over in the end or something. Oh well.

      ;-)

  6. xyshtoph says:

    I’ve read books, memorials and diaries of young people who took part in uprisings in my country during the second world war and SAO feels very similar to those. The constant rush, battles, focusing on things important for the protagonists only, fast character development – it was all there as a result of not knowing if you will survive another day or month. The fact that they crammed so many things in such short time – from almost dying, killing traitor, spending night together and deciding to get married – feels completely natural in case of Kirito and Asuna, because they experienced the fragility of their lives and want to live as strong as they can. Rather than about fantasy rpg, for me this story is about war and a couple that found each other during that time.

  7. Doug Napoleone says:

    The light novels have Kirito killing more of the coffin group. Somewhere else I saw someone complain that it was out of character for him not to feel remorse over killing. The anime could have dealt with this better. They still might, given the subtle feel at the end of this episode. Kirito was brooding in it, sitting on the bed, fully dresses… It had an odd feel setting up more undercurrents than just the marriage proposal.

    On the side of the fast moving relationship. I don’t think it was rushed in the plot sense. Kirito thought he was dead. He thought Asuna was going to die. These things piling on you, change your perspective. It is rushed, but these are kids. Kids in love and facing imminent death. You also have to consider what ‘marriage’ means in this game. In the end I think it fits in character wise perfectly.

    Yes it is rushed. That is the point.

    • Ransom says:

      Doug,

      Kirito’s inner conflict about PK is explained in the Gun Gale Online arc. Basically the whole arc deals with the inner conflict of killing another person… Unfortunatelly we wont be able to see it animated, unless they’re already planing for another season.

  8. UltimateReaper says:

    I was very pleased with this episode, sure it had flaws, but so did the rest, and I’d have to say this was the best so far. I am still quit mad however, about the fact that this isn’t being adapted better! I’ve never even read any of the light novels yet and I can tell that so many details are not being adapted!!! It’s been 2 years! Kirito and Asuna have known each other for a long time! There are likely so many moments between their friendship and development we’ve never gotten to see! Psgels I feel like we are only seeing glimpses of the story when we should be seeing the mass bulk of it! I’m actually very tempted to read the light novels if I can find good translations.

    I really liked the duel. The unique skills were great, and the time stopping thing might be hinting at something in the future, perhaps he is cheating or hiding something, maybe it’s a part of his skill, not sure where that will go though. As for the villain, he wasn’t that bad I don’t think, however with only a few lines they could have made him much more solid. “I’ve been hiding under your noses all of this time, hunting as I please, Asuna was next, you got in the way, now I’m going to kill all of you.” I just made all of that up but seriously, a few lines like that or even that one line would have made him a million times more viliany, better, and more likable.

    And Yes! Kirito and Asuna actually had sex! Found that pretty awesome actually. While most poeple hate cliches in anime what I really really really hate are the taboos. No alcohol, no sex, no disrespect towards authority, you know that sort of thing. I’m sure you guys know what I mean. I’m actually rather pleased at the direction that was taken, but I’m still quite mad about all of the stuff the adaption isn’t covering.

    As for the time span between that and marriage, it’s not so farfetched. Kirito finally got over his issue of holding himself back, from what I’ve seen that’s the first time he held her back or acknowledged her, and that was probably do to his brink with death. Which changed him. I actually thought he might die for a second, or that something else would happen. As for Asuna arriving in the nick of time, since her nickname is lightning or whatever, I know that she specializes in speed so it’s not that crazy though it could be executed better as you say. Back to point, maybe Kirito is being hasty since he almost died, and sacrificed a hand temporarily. A brink with harsh reality as it were.

    I just hope the rest of SAO has as much plot/cool things happening/story development as this, I also hope the execution gets better on everything.

  9. Disappointing. I really glopped to glop some glopping, yet they just glopped away the best part. What a shame.

  10. jonas says:

    “I mean, the end of the episode moved right from sex to marriage in an instant. Wouldn’t it have worked better if the creators put some time between that?”

    Asuna and Kirito have known each other for more than two years. And they kind of have been in love for more than a year.

    • Anca says:

      Show, not tell. It can’t just tell us that the main character and the female lead are suddenly in love with each other nine episodes in without any sort of build up.

      • wicked says:

        I dont know, outside of episode 2, when have we not seen Asuna being absolutely smitten with Kirito? Making him dinner and sandwiches. Taking a nap with him. When Kirito almost died to save her, she pretty much hung onto him for a solid 5 minutes. I feel like that side of it is pretty well established. Kirito is really the one hesitant most of the time. Escalation after a life altering event is perfectly reasonable.

        • Anca says:

          Well yes. They did develop a crush on Asuna’s part, but not on Kirito’s part – when she stripped what I thought was ‘lol she completely misread the situation he’s not into her- o wait’. And they also didn’t develop their bond at all.

          If they got together in the first episode, that would have been one thing and we could have safely assumed that stuff happened in the backstory. But they only just met in the second episode, they barely ever interacted.

          I’ve heard that two years passed in the show, but as far as we viewers are concerned it might as well have been two weeks with how little happened. And in a way two years makes it worse, how much time have Kirito and Asuna spent together? A few days?

          • wicked says:

            you mean grabbing her boobs while she falls on him is not enough development for you? gasp*

            That’s the problem with doing all the side stories first without trying to weave the main story into them, because they would have gone from episode 2 to the time skipped 2 years later, you would have safely assume well they’ve been flirting this whole time. I think that falls on the people that worked the script adaptation

            With Kirito, they really gone with focusing on how much he tries to not connect with other after Sachi, so I’m not sure how much you can get him showing much being so passive. It’s a romance novel archetype when you break it down. The aloof loner and the outgoing girl that melts his heart. The payoff of that scenarios is almost always a drastic switch flip, but the setup may vary. What would’ve been very easy to do was to basically have some flashback still of the time they spend together, you know while he’s “dying” and all, but they didnt.

          • wicked says:

            also I’m surprised that you thought he wasnt into her at that point. Since the previous scene was them two spouting off this huge confession

  11. AidanAK47 says:

    Yep, can’t say this episode impressed me. They should have toned down Kuradell’s insanity a bit. Sure he’s a throwaway villain but come on.
    Everyone else already said everything I would have said but did anyone else notice how obnoxious the soundtrack was here? Really when the violins kicked in at Kirito and Asuna’s “tender” moments it just was cringe worthy. Now I would expect this from some ordinary composer. But Yuki? For shame Yuki. For shame.

  12. Anna says:

    What I think is funny is that it’s actually possible to have sex within the game LOL

    • wicked says:

      Not less plausible than anything else, maybe more plausible. Presumably you can control and feel in the game by machine feeding signals to your brain, so all it comes down to is having anatomically correct avatars and stimulating the right nerves.

    • AidanAK47 says:

      There is an actual explanation for this in the novels. Basically there’s a secret function called ETHICS CODE: OFF.

  13. elior1 says:

    if you think this part of their love was somthing rash just wait becouse the next episode will be the side story of yui which take time after the marrige

    • another side story?
      Great! Who cares about a plot anyway!

      let’s just continue with fillers, featuring:
      ‘kirito is soooo badass’ scenes – including some cute girls,
      more Asuna random tsundere phrases towards kirito, even more useless characters with incredibly stupid character design, some blatant fanservice shots here and there (I especially loved the tentacle monster in ep 4) packed alltogether with the horrible pacing we like so much.

      Simply put: SAO is definetly the worst anime of this year.
      Wanna know why?

      It’s NOT because the anime itself really is horrible.
      It’s because a LOT of YOU GUYS try to TALK this shit into gold.

      And on MAL it’s ranked 41. After 10 episodes of fillers.

      I have NEVER experienced such a bullshit of an overhyped series. Can’t you just WAIT in giving a score AFTER you’ve watched the series? I am really shocked to read that much of fanboyish comments, looking at MAL it’s like the plague, infecting a mass of people and killing good taste.

      Guess what will happen if this series is going to be a success?
      Right. There will be more and more shounen clique crap series without a serious plot.

      If that’s what you want – go ahead.

      • wicked says:

        I think people just tries to pick it apart because of its buzz. I mean if you talk about confusing and unexplained plot, Horizon’s got this beat by light years(Though Horizon doesnt care, it’s really made for the novel readers that knows what is up). If you talk about poor adaptation Dakara Boku wa, H ga Dekinai and Champione pretty much changed the plots completely.

        It’s not great, but it’s not as terrible as people makes it out to be

      • TheUltimateReaper says:

        I don’t think it’s that bad. I’ve watched some crappy overhyped anime which I really hated, but SAO doesn’t come near that level of displeasure. Examples? Penguin Drum (That ending wasn’t art, that story was barley tolerable) Darker Than Black (Another bullshit ending/nothing explained)Love Hina (Not even going to comment) and Full Metal Panic (Meh).

        SAO is fraught with issues, but I think it’s a good watch.

        You can’t always get caught up in what people think man.

      • Avalon says:

        Yea, this anime is overhyped. It also sounds like you just want to hate it though. Get over it.

      • elior1 says:

        actully yui wont be one of the girls that fall in love with kirito and all that she will be somthing very importend to asuna andd kirito also asuna wont be tsundere anymore becouse this story take place after their marrige

      • elior1 says:

        @castlevaniapro9 yui will not fall in love with kirito asuna wont be tsundere nothing what you said above that you think will happen is wrong yui will play a very big part of the end of sao and you will be shocked when you will discover what she realy is.she not what she looks like.this story will be completly diffrent from what you seen until now

  14. Bunny says:

    Are u joking penguin drum was amazing but I guess you wouldnt know an amazing anime if it hit ya considering you seem to like the train wreck known as code geass

    • AidanAK47 says:

      Bunny, this may be inconceivable to you but maybe Penguindrum was just as much train-wreak. Hell it used the exact same storytelling technique as code geass of placing a twist at end of each episode. But hey at least Code geass didn’t try to disguise itself as deep with bullshit symbolism.

      • Kaiser Eoghan says:

        @Aidan:I’m in agreement a bit Aidan on Penguindrum but in my case I did enjoy penguindrum upon a second watch. I agree with you on the symbolism disguising things, being nonsense, but stylized and pretentious as it was I liked the look of it. The plot to penguindrum I did like but I acknowledge it isn’t as smart as it lets on.
        As for Geass I regret re-watching it, alot of the praise I can give it for doesn’t apply second time round and late in season 2 it gets way too rushed and the twists become a bit harder to buy, whereas it was fine before. A re-watch and knowing what happens kills the suspense for me in it which Code geass thrived strongly on. The action and production is still great though a lelouch is very charismatic and I await the new Geass ovas because the story will be fresh and new.

    • TheUltimateReaper says:

      Code Geass was “it” for me. The perfect anime, the ultimatum, the one hit wonder, the masterpiece. My favorite anime, the most satisfying meal I’ll ever have. I’m aware that many critiques and poeple hated it, and there are a million reasons for that. I never once considered it a train wreck though. Plot twists? Bad writing? Yeah right, try living life, crazy shit happens, things go out of whack, friends become enemies and enemies friends. In fact I find it far more realistic than any of the bullshit “slice of life or normal life” stories that you normally see. Honestly, who lives like that? I sure didn’t! Most people I’ve ever known didn’t. Reality is stranger than fiction. And sure it was juvenile, rebellious and cliche ridden, but I loved it for all of those reasons.

      The main character had a interesting personality type, probably the same as the writer. According to personality tests I’d bet that it’s “Mastermind” a very very rare personality type, most people are the more common personality types, therefore, they would hate the ideology/show for those reasons. Same with Yagami from Death Note. Everyone likes L because most people are the same sappy non Mastermind (Basically the top tier of rational personalities)

      At anyrate, everyone has their own personal tastes and views. We all get angry for different reasons, and we all see things in different lights. Our experiences have molded us with bias. Others are more open, some are as focused like a powerful laser beam. But in the end I believe we should all enjoy what we love. No matter how different we experience that love.

      • Kaiser Eoghan says:

        This’ll sound strange reaper but I don’t like code Geass for the reason that I do like it. I loved it and judging on first time watch its fantastic and I still consider it as such based on that first viewing but at the same time I’ve a bone to pick with it from re-visiting it.

        • TheUltimateReaper says:

          I’ve watched it twice, never had an issue with it. But I can feel where your coming from. Watching any anime is never the same the second time, especially when you know everything that’s going to happen. Its like watching a movie over again, The Other Guys was amazing the first time I watched but once you know all the jokes it’s not the same anymore. It’s the same with mystery stories, its really not as fun if you already know the answer. This isn’t exactly what you mean is it? You notice the flaws the second time around and it bugs you? Thats understandable, *shrugs*. Not much more I can say.

          • Kaiser Eoghan says:

            I meant both actually come to think of it. And I totally agree on mystery stuff, thats definitely the sort of thing you watch/read once.

      • wicked says:

        That’s kind of sad if you think about it. If you have seen the ultimate anime, then what reason do you have to watch any other anime at all? To find another like it or surpass it? but then it would not be the ultimate anime anymore.

        I dont know what getting people’s knicker in a bunch. Sometimes bad stuff is still fun to watch, dont let logic and “refine” taste ruin your enjoyment. So what penguindrum is crazy “symbolic” nonsense, it’s got style and Seizon Senryaku is the best anime meme I’ve heard for a long time. If you dont enjoy it, and it’s so bad you have to bashed the hell out of it, why put yourself through this torture.

        • Kaiser Eoghan says:

          @Wicked:Thats precisely why I don’t want to watch sword art anymore I’m sick of “try one more episode” or “it gets better”. Whatever else I complained about it before its in the end another shounen action and those really just aren’t for me and never were.

        • TheUltimateReaper says:

          Look at Leonardo Da Vinci. He didn’t paint one masterpiece, he is known for far more than just the Mona Lisa. Same with Beethoven. It’s the same when you see an awesome movie of epic proportions. Are you done? Are you satisfied? Is that hunger for more gone? See I NEED to consume more. I want to create things too, poetry, art, literature.I love the concept of creating something new, adding to this world, creating meaning and brilliance. Which means I in turn love creations, I want to taste more of humanities delectable creativity.

          Well thats enough being dramatic for one night. I actually enjoyed Peguindrum, but the ending seriously botched it for me. It made me feel so terrible, same with Darker Than Black. I don’t think I was ever more depressed than that… I can’t even call it an ending.

          I agree though if you hate SAO just stop watching it. I’m loving it, if you had to criticize it “Sword Ass Online” is probably a better fit. Something that has fan service, a touch of cliche and flaws. Despite that I think it’s enjoyable, and a good (enough) show, it’s fulfilling my hunger, obviously if you don’t like it than it’s not fulfilling yours, so what are you waiting for? Go out there and devour something else.

      • Sinisgood says:

        Code Geass is garbage. Deal with it

  15. Bunny says:

    Wow that was really rude of me sorry I mean I don’t even know if your favorite anime is code geass and I’m just pissed coz of tari tari. I still think Sao stands for shit anime online.

  16. Bunny says:

    Whatever Aidan

  17. raingod says:

    Paralysis is the ultimate weapon! You can kill one of the most powerful players just by paralyzing them. YEHEY! I’ll put paralysis on all of my gear, swords, shields, gloves, and boots. So if I hit an opponent with anything, he will be paralyzed. Again, where is his regen? Dafuq happened to his regen?!!! I don’t get the duel, either. He chose 1 Strike Mode, right? He was already hit with his shield. Does that not count? WOW. I don’t wanna play this MMO, it has a lot of inconsistent rules.

    • eternia says:

      Yup. He’s definitely in pain when the shield struck him, his face was in agony and his body was bend over. Come to think of it, Accel World also has super inconsistent rules.

    • HunterWulf says:

      His auto-regen only worked when he was facing against low-level idiots, and he had to calculate how much auto-regen he has and compare it to their damage output to make sure they can’t really hurt him, but a freaking Floor Boss at the highest dungeon they reached or a person with a high-level character (clearly Kuradeel is since he is fighting on the front-lines with the game’s best guild) can easily out-do Kirito’s auto-regen and make it obsolete .. it’s very simple and clear.

      And Kuradeel never stopped damaging Kirito .. and even if he did .. whatever HP auto-egen might have restored would be insignificant compared to Kuradeel’s damage output (or that Floor Boos damage output which was clearly very high)

  18. sato says:

    I totally got the feeling that Heathcliff was the game-creator, taking part in his little experiment. After he stopped time and avoided Kirito’s attack, that look of “oh no you didn’t!” he gave him was interesting… Like he was annoyed he had to use that god-power.

    Anyways… after the paralysis-fight.. the resolution was completely skipped! What happened with Kirito’s hand? I thought in this game, once things were “lost,” that they couldn’t be regained. And how did they explain everything to the guild? HMMMM???

    • raingod says:

      Maybe there is a regen item/spell of some sort that they have. Remember, Kirito found a way to resurrect a comrade but only upto 10 seconds from dying. So, it is not far fetch to have a regen body part item/spell.

      The one thing that is pissing me off is the auto-heal that was missing. They used it in a story and then removed it for the benefit of the story. That is just bad writing.

      • Anca says:

        Not really. Regen-type abilities tend to be useless as far as JRPG go (from what I’ve seen). They always only restore certain percentages. I don’t know what Kirito’s HP is, but I’d randomly guess it in the ten thousands. His damage output ought to also be in the thousands, at the very least.

        Let’s say he has 20 000 HP. 5% in 5 seconds is a reasonable value for a Regen type spell (it might even be a bit high). That’s 1000HP/5seconds. If a mid level players hits for 500 damage, Kirito’s health will recover fast enough that the guy will have trouble putting adent in him; if a low level player hits for 50 – well, he won’t even feel that. But if a high level player (and we can assume Heathcliff was at a higher level than him) – or a boss – hits for 5000 (and this is a low estimate), the Regen won’t be able to keep up.

        • raingod says:

          By your explanation, Kuradeel is a high level player?

          His regen must be pretty low if it only adds 5% in 5 secs.

          It is not that his regen is pretty low but his regen is non-existent. Gone. He has to heal/be healed. Remember the boss fight (blue-eyed demon, i think) and now with Kuradeel.

          • Carbine Gammaximon says:

            Well one could say the regen attribute comes from that cloak he wears until he joins the guild, which would explain anca’s view and also explain why he wasn’t regaining HP under kuradeel’s attack.

            Or we could just say the anime’s accountability system is one fustercluck of a mess. Yeah, I’ll do just that.

          • Anca says:

            My estimate was not low, it was high. As I said, that type of ability is close to useless in other games. The only thing it would be good for is dungeon grinding (if it doesn’t need to be cast every skirmish) and showing off, but it’s fully in the realm of possibility that it might add 1000 HP (that’s like 10HP at 200 total) right before Kirito at 7000 gets hit with 7300. I wouldn’t deactivate it unless there are limited skill slots.

            And 5 seconds is a lot in a fight.

            Or maybe it restores HP continuously at a 100HP per second rate or something like that, which would be even less useful against strong opponents.

            What I’m saying was that it was still there, but made no difference.

  19. RABUJOI says:

    If Kuradeel was really a seasoned killer, you’d think he’d know to be quick and efficient, especially in a game where your luck can change in an instant (and stripping down to underwear is equally quick and workmanlike!).

    We liked his initial apology and apparent willingness to party with Kirito, even knowing he’d probably backstab. Ultimately Kuradeel was a wild, crazed plot device to get Kirito and Asuna into a situation where they’d save each others lives and then take their relationship to the next level. He served his role as pawn well.

    Also, note to Kuradeel: it’s not murder if Kirito killed you in self-defence, brah. It was clearly a ‘him-or-me’ situation. It’s in Kirito’s nature to feel bad for taking any life – but he really didn’t have a choice here and he shouldn’t lose sleep over it. He should learn from the experience and watch his back – and Asuna’s.

  20. Censor this! says:

    This episode…Definitely left a lot to be desired. As most everyone has been saying here the pacing was horribly off for such a monumental event. This really should have been split into two episodes to have 1:more time to develop, and 2; more of an impact. I mean, these were not tiny little events, but huge in terms of character development and plot progression. I thought Kuradeel was also too stereotypical and lame brained to be much of a threat (so, why not kill Kirito first and get things over with?) and the aftermath of the battle was just too rushed to make me care about what just happened to both Kirito and Asuna. Luckily, with this episode it proved that the creators had done the right thing in having all of the side stories before this episode as it wouldn’t have made nearly as much of an impact without the adequate character development(such as the development of Kirit’s and Asuna’s relationship). The fight scenes were also very nicely done, however comparing this episode to the last two was a letdown. I still think this series is good, but it is obvious that it could really have been so much more…Maybe the director of the 12 Kingdoms helming this could have made the series really reach its potential…

  21. RABUJOI says:

    I’m also pleased that after so much time together and what was obviously a mutual attraction, Kirito and Asuna act on their feelings. Too often in these kind of series, a confession or a peck on the cheek is as far as things go.

    On first viewing, we actually took Kirito’s embarrassment at Asuna suddenly stripping after dinner as him not wanting to go quite that far yet (though admittedly we were a bit sleep-deprived). The progression from before to after their sleeping together could have been a bit clearer and less sanitized – while still obviously not resorting to porn.

    Though for all I know, perhaps the producers couldn’t/didn’t want to show Kirito actually IN bed naked with Asuna – so instead we got the less overt scene of him (in clothes) waking her up later.

    • Kiseki says:

      I haven’t watched SAO past episode 2, but this was pretty the scene in the novel? Chapter 16.5 (glop glop), the sex (two! years! of! glop!), wasn’t published.

    • wicked says:

      It is odd that he was fully clothed when he does not appear to be in a hurry to go anywhere.

      • Anca says:

        To be fair, it’s a game. Fully clothed is “Item Storage -> Clothes and Accessories -> Equip” (or something like that), rather than “Locate clothes -> Shit where are my pants -> How did my socks get under the bed?! -> Uch maybe I should take a shower first -> [etc]”

    • imredjimmy says:

      I liked the fact that yes, a couple finally had sex in an anime, instead of never-ending will they won’t they. However, I feel like the pacing of the anime is so weird that some episode take too much time and others are rushed. I felt like this one was rushed and the relationship between Asuna and Kirito felt victim to that.

  22. Scorps says:

    I agree with the super fast-pacing of this episode and the way people get mental breakdown to be annoying. Especially in this last episode…
    Yes, from the beginning we can notice everything does happen real fast because apparently they have a lot to do in little time, but in this episode it felt more rushed than usual.

    I’m in conflict with myself as I watch this series. There are moments that really appeal to me, but at the same time there are a lot of things that disappoint me.

    From the way I see it, this show had a LOT of bad decision with directing, which made the pacing and progression of the plot feel really bad.

  23. WORDSWORDSWORDSWORDSWORDS

    TL;DR

  24. Animenz says:

    Why is this show so shitty?

    • raingod says:

      Shitty now. I liked the idea of getting stuck in a MMO game that you have to finish to exit. I liked the idea that in a game where most people play in groups, Kirito plays solo. And the idea that if you know almost all of the rules, you can exploit it (I first started doing that in Diablo II, example: teleport ready in a boss fight). I loved some of the ideas because I do them, too. But now, I don’t know what to think.

      • hoiut says:

        I never played an MMORPG in my life. Closest I ever got was LoL, but that’s a stream of 40-minute RTS combat sessions.

        BUT! I like it for the same reason: the setting. What if everyone HAD to play the game you loved for whatever societal reason? I’m sure most kids/YA nowadays fantasize likewise. Remember the ever-popular “why can’t my life be like games/anime?”

        BAM! Wish fulfillment with a helping of chicks and near-death battles around our lead, the ever wonderful Marty Stu (trope). But this story is older, written in 2002 before WoW “changed the [whole] game.” And it seems like the elements of realism people were expecting were significantly downplayed.

        But the show remains decent — It simply can’t encompass or live up to these wishes as we like while maintaining a modicum of (believable) intrigue at all times.

    • HunterWulf says:

      Why are you still watching it ? (and commenting about it too) ..i really hate illogical and pointless comments like yours.

  25. elior1 says:

    here the next episode preview http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=eew1eoqTKsw finally it yui side story this is the most great side story ever in the novel

  26. hoiut says:

    I think SAO is fairly solid. Maybe even better, by shounen standards.

    I agree — if the timescale was compressed to that of a “modern” MMORPG (aka 2 weeks to hit the level cap), their seemingly short relationship-building phase would have seemed more reasonable (although her past as a depressed recluse wouldn’t have made as much sense).

    Of course, differences in cultures worldwide notwithstanding, the reverse could have happened just as well. In-game marriage is fairly common before players sleep together, I daresay. Shared item storage would arguably precede IRL promiscuity by at least a couple days.

  27. HunterWulf says:

    Quite a fantastic episode, specially the moments when Kirito was an inch or less away from death .. phew .. that was tense even though anyone can tell he was going to be saved somehow (although i expected it to be the paralysis effect ending in the last moment, but the decided to used this event to develop the relation between Kirito and Asuna .. can’t object to that).

    And Psgels, it seems you missed something about Kuradeel, he could have been a typical cliche guy-with-a-grudge-went-mental case if it wasn’t for the fact he was working with Laughing Coffin and had their Guild insignia on his arm (meaning he didn’t just buy the poison from them … he is one of them), and frankly anyone who joins a PK guild like that in SAO is clearly mental and a psychopath long before this episode(considering the amount of pressure a lot of people have been through being trapped in SAO a lot of mental break-downs surely happened among the population) .. he was just good at hiding his lunacy while around others, but when he set up both Kirito and the other guy (whom he clearly had a grudge against for some reason) and they were alone he had no reason to hide that anymore (and i can guess he might have done the same thing before to other guild members) and came back crying claiming bandits killed them.

    And he didn’t waste time at all, he killed the first guy and proceeded to stab Kirito lowering his HP immediately after that .. he didn’t waste any time standing there while talking and doing nothing .. but being the lunatic he is he surely savored every moment of Kirito’s near-death experience (and gave me the chills in the process .. i wouldn’t want to be in Kirito’s shoes in that situation) .. IMO actually it happened too fast .. one second they were sitting there resting and a moment later one of them was killed off and the other was being drained of his HP faster than a water tank with a major leak XD

    Some people might have commented on

    As for Asuna’s guild duties .. she mentioned many items that she needed some time off with Kirito .. also .. they did show her guild duties to us .. they don’t have to waster time every episode showing it to use again unless it progresses the story .. otherwise you can imagine it happens off screen (they don’t need to show us the characters eating or going to sleep every episode … we know they do off-screen).

    As for moving from sex to marriage .. what’s wrong with that, they have been warming up for each other for quite some time, also sex and marriage mean very little in SAO physically since it’s a virtual world .. it’s all about the two of them wanting to be together all the time and committing to each other .. and the best way to achieve that in SAO is through the marriage system in the game, again it was nicely done.

    And finally .. for the people who just write to bash the show without contributing anything meaningful to the discussion, at this point you are clearly nothing but trolls, if you didn’t like the show you would have stopped watching it a long time ago, so please spare us and yourselves the trouble and go look for your masterpiece anime elsewhere and let us enjoy the show we like to watch.

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Lenlo
I cant help but feel theres some cultural aspect I am missing to the Rakugo rant scene. Makes me sad.
Lenlo
Rakugo, continues to be great and gets another time skip. Im always surprised by how engrossing it is just listening to these people talk.
Lenlo
Makes me sad, just like Berserk. Got an entire shelf dedicated to it but its just so slow. stupid boat.
Lenlo
Vagabond was phenomenal, but its been on hiatus for years now hasnt it
Kaiser Eoghan
....well without spoiling towards the middle of that rakugo episode and all throughout during that middle part, my opinion on Yotaro's character went far up.
Kaiser Eoghan
Struggling to remember the name of that josei samurai manga from the 90s (or earlier 2000s), had a gender bending theme.
Kaiser Eoghan
I've already read kenshin and vagabond, I loved shigurui death frenzy and sword of the stranger but found samurai champloo uneven. Theres a kagemusha manga but I haven't read it and I've yet to see/read blade of the immortal.
Kaiser Eoghan
At a glance I'll go against the grain and say I think demi-chan is funnier than konosuba, going on one episode of each.
I've been watching a fare share of samurai films in the last two years and lately so I'm open to wathing more anime/reading manga dealing with samurai.
SuperMario
Hand Shakers, how I love to watch it jumping off the cliff. This show contains lines like "I don't understand... even if I did understand... but I don't understand." It isn't a dialogue that we encounter too often I'm sure.
AidanAK47
@Mario, Sounds good to me. With me covering Little Witch Academia, Saga of Tanya the evil and Rakugo this season is well covered.
SuperMario
so I've decided to blog 3-gatsu, Scum's Wish and ACCA this season. A bit worry about the latter as I still don't have much to talk about that. Let's try it and see what happens; I say
SuperMario
Okay, I'm not hot on Onihei this week, as if the main theme about these two episodes were "people can be corrupted" then I'm not buying it. ACCA, on the other hand, was still very solid of building up the world and its big events to come.
AidanAK47
I have played all the big roguelikes and found they have the same problem. I argee on procedural generation. Even if the map is different every time you are essentailly going through the same rooms and doing the same things.
Masky
Though to be honest, I don't like procedural(or designed room and then game connects them randomly) games much. I much enjoy hand designed dungeons since I rarely play games through more than once anyway so roguelike's appeal of "Every time you play it through its different!" doesn't appeal to me much and hand designed dungeons are much more memorable
Masky
Can't really comment further on that since I don't know which roguelikes you have played, and neither I have played gungeon so I don't know if its badly designed to the point you can't do anything if rng says so. Though I guess there is nothing wrong about liking luck based games, if roguelike in question is truly unbeatable if rng says so, well, its really badly designed one if you ask me.
AidanAK47
Take my last run. Made it up to the fourth floor. Got plenty of guns but none were really useful. Even then ran out of ammo for all of them and the game was cheap about giving out ammo. Plenty of money but shops with nothing worth buying. Over 5 heart containers but no goddamn health. Died on the boss because I rolled out of a bullet into another bullet. Pretty much unavoidable.
AidanAK47
@Masky, that's the theory but in pretty much every roguelike I played its not the case. If the RNG decides you are going to have a bad time then you are going to have a bad time. Skill can only bring you so far. I have played this game for 7 hours and I know I could have finished it in 2. Only thing stopping me is a dice roll.
Masky
Like, the thing with roguelikes is that they can get easier/harder depending on luck, but well done one should be completable even without any upgrades at all if you are skilled enough.
Masky
Thats not the really case with roguelikes though, unless game design is bad and includes insta kill traps and such that are unavoidable if you are unlucky
AidanAK47
I hate roguelikes. Been playing enter the Gungeon and I just lost all patience with it. Getting real tired of my victory being decided by a RNG. It never feels satisfying to finish a roguelike because I know my victory was determined by pure luck.
AidanAK47
So we got to rely on fansubs for it when it's airing.
AidanAK47
@Mario, Nope. I think because netflix only puts up full seasons they are only planning to put it up when it's finished airing. Or when it's dubbed.
SuperMario
But how does the Netflix thing work? So of I have a Netflix account I can watch the show weekly?
SuperMario
@Aidan: that's a dumb way to do things really because unless you watch the show weekly, everyone gonna forget that it even exist. Just look at Re-Life last year
Lenlo
thought*. Words are hard.

Eventually found the actual first ep though and enjoyed it.
Lenlo
Was funny. I tried to find the first Ep for Little Witch, found original short made afew years ago, watched it and though "This is very similar to the original... Whats new".
AidanAK47
Little witch is one of the best shows this season and yet I can't get subtitles because Netflix doesn't release shows weekly. Motherf*cker.
Lenlo
Ore Monogatari I enjoyed. It was a nice romance that actually explored what happens after the confession. Also the 2 leads are just precious.
Lenlo
Alright but unmemorable seems like a good summation.
SuperMario
@Lenlo: one good thing about Seiren is if you don't like this romance, the whole thing gonna reset after episode 4 so there's a chance that you might end up like it. Agreed that the comedy wasn't very good. Alright but unmemorable
SuperMario
@Topgavin: I watched like first 3 episodes and stopped because I didn't have much time there, but I enjoyed what I saw. A well-written and endearing show in my book
Topgavin
Has anyone here watched Ore Monogatari before? Because in the 4 years I've watched anime, I've never heard of it (I guess it did come out 2 years ago) and yet it's turning out to be one of my favorite shows. Always great going into a show expecting nothing and getting pleasantly surprised.
AidanAK47
Only one more impression to go. Should have it up tomorrow.
Lenlo
Im really not feeling Seiren. Its "comedy" isnt for me and I just dont find it very enjoyable to watch so far. Im curious if it gets any better but 2 episodes in it just isnt that good.
HelghastKillzone
That ending scene is an entire side-story compressed into that. Don't expect anymore of it from here on out as the it sticks to ruthless military/fantasy pretty well.
LookingForKeys
@Topgavin I think it was good, making it the second episode. That way the first set up the world the story will be in, and showed how much of a monster the "little girl" really is right at the end, and then made ep.2 the explanation. Nothing against Tanya trying to rip "God" a new one.
That after-credits scene, though...
SuperMario
Hmm, as much as I like Seiren's omnibus format, it doesn't turn out really hot this second episode. Demi-chan, on the other hand, still maintains its endearing tone. Might blogging Demi-chan instead
Topgavin
Yeah, that second episode was much better than the first. Dunno why they didn't start with that to be honest, waste of an opportunity for a good hook episode. The voice for the main girl still sounds weird to me though; I get it's supposed to sound weird because it symbolizes 'her' being out of place and her personality and body being a mismatch, but it'll certainly take some getting used to.
AidanAK47
Youjo Senki, now we are talking. Like Helghast said, Did the god scene way better than the LN and manga. Made it less comedic and more intimidating.
Lenlo
Oh man that Rakugo intro. Not sure what to think, but first time seeing it I liked it
Kaiser Eoghan
I sort of like good will hunting because I kind of saw a bit of myself in Damon's character when I watched it ages ago.
Kaiser Eoghan
@Mario: Remaking psycho and ruining the shower scene, for shame van sant, for shame.
Kaiser Eoghan
Its easy to ripoff some obscure thing though and get away with it. The dogtooth director essentially stole an old Mexican film to make that.
SuperMario
@Kaiser: yeah, that following some guys from behind like they were on a RPG games, which I think actually fit with the tones of Elephant. I have such mixed feeling with Gus van Sant too. Don't really think he's a great director.
Kaiser Eoghan
@Mario: Although Istvan Szabo is probably a little more well known for that Mephisto film that updates the Faust story. Zoltan Fabri's the fifth seal is a very thought provoking war movie.
Kaiser Eoghan
@Mario: I remember seeing a film documentary that featured Gus van sant in one section, they showed clips of tarrs films, Sant ripped of the cinematography and stole the style from some British short film to make Elephant.
SuperMario
@Kaiser: agree on the other Hungarian filmmakers, I don't know much about them either.
Kaiser Eoghan
@Mario: Scorsese's Silence was a big comeback. I really really emotionally connect with spiritual crisis stories.
SuperMario
@kaiser: yep, definitely check wreckmeister down. Althought I admit that watching his 2-hour plus films will feel like 5-hour anyways
Kaiser Eoghan
@Mario: I'm more tolerant of darker teenage/coming of age films/stories. Les Demons was a big surprise.
Kaiser Eoghan
@Mario: Though its kind of frustrating, I do think Tarr probably takes attention away from other hungarian filmakers because no-body knows who the hell the others are.
Kaiser Eoghan
@Mario: Man, wreckmeister was so visually arresting I started getting dreams from it.
Kaiser Eoghan
@Mario: I would consider Tarr to be kind of a poor mans Janco, Angelopolus and Tarkvosky rolled into one. I don't entirely "get" wreckmeister and man from London but they are great atmospheric mood piece experiences.
SuperMario
@Kaiser: I had been wanting to watch Belar Tarr's Turin Horse and Werckmeister Harmonies for so long now. Well, Fat Girl is shocking haha, but I'm normally drawn into those kind of films anyway.
SuperMario
@Kaiser: Margaret took like 5,6 years to release because he couldn't cut it down in the way he wanted. The final cut if I remembered correctly was edited by Martin Scorsese
Kaiser Eoghan
@Mario: Only a HDcam for moonlight now.
Kaiser Eoghan
I looks like my lineup is witch academia, rakugo and youjo senki, well the most latter one until I get bored.
Kaiser Eoghan
@Mario: I sense a directors cut for manchester, it feels like it need another 30 minutes.
SuperMario
@Kaiser: right up my valley. Watch Kenneth Lonergan's previous works Magaret and You Can Count on Me. Magaret is very messy but have a raw dialogue and interactions as well
SuperMario
Now the first episodes are over, I will keep on covering 3-gatsu, as for the other twos atm I have 3 options: 1) full romance/anti-romance high school Seiren/Scum's Wish. 2) slice-of-life moe monster girls Demi-chan/Maid Dragon and 3) Mature,dark Onihen/Acca (which although I like them I don't have much to talk about).If you guys have any preference on which shows you like covered then let me know
Kaiser Eoghan
@Helghast: At this point I'm watching youjo senki as an entertaining guilty pleasure.
Kaiser Eoghan
@Mario: Too many reboots upcoming, will wait for the dvds instead. I want to explore more of manchester by the sea's director's work. I also want to finally get more into Bela Tarr's stuff.
Kaiser Eoghan
@Mario: I was rather shocked by A Ma souer/fat girls final act. Scenes with the Italian in the bedroom were initially creepy.
SuperMario
@Kaiser: it's a nice review Kaiser, a bit jealous with you that you've seen those 3 films which are touted as the best films of 2016. Also Fat Girl, haha, I love that movie.
Kaiser Eoghan
Poor yotaro =< you have so much stuff going down on you =<
HelghastKillzone
Youjo Senki episode was so good today. That revamped scene with God just fitted so right.
AidanAK47
A official release of that game in the west is apparently coming but it's been a few years and not much news about it.
Kaiser Eoghan
@Aidan: Ah yes that was the one.
AidanAK47
@Kaiser, Had to think for a moment on that one but I think I was talking about this. https://vndb.org/v3144
Kaiser Eoghan
Now I'd hardly consider myself a studio trigger fan, but I watched the first witch academia episode there, it was actually kind of fun, got the same reaction from me as flipflappers did, that magical, special feeling.
Kaiser Eoghan
@Mario: I also, of interest reviewed Kenneth Lonegrans new film: http://letterboxd.com/shao_liu_ringon/film/manchester-by-the-sea/
Kaiser Eoghan
@Mario: Moonlight got some feels out of me though it could of been more, it ends abruptly and with 20 extra minutes they could have spent a bit more time on each section of his life.
Kaiser Eoghan
@Mario: I checked out lala land, ending was very well executed, one of three scenes in the film that were impressive visually. The whole thing looked pretty and Gosling and Stone had some decent chemistry. Although it didn't resonate emotionally as strongly as the musicals of Jacques Demi did.
Kaiser Eoghan
MOM I want aiyoku no eustia and I want it now.
Kaiser Eoghan
I've never heard of himawari or tokyo babel. The hellsing comparison at least interests me in dies irae. What was the name of that visual novel again that was coming out soon, Aidan you described it as "And Kaiser would love it because its supposed to be really fucked up".
Kaiser Eoghan
I vaguely remember the anime for 11 eyes, it was very forgettable, even the voice acting was poor, hated the childhood friends and the pacing was poor, those black knight things were kind of interesting though.
Kaiser Eoghan
@Aidan: You'll have to add me onto the list of those unsatisfied with the ever 17 writer, I read one of those games and felt it was a bunch of interesting bait that never paid off.
AidanAK47
Anyway I plan on doing a review of 11eyes here when I finish it.
AidanAK47
Can't say I was a fan of Ever17. That was a really good twist but when it came to explaining it their was a lot of contrived development. Generally not a fan of the writer. Looseboy, Ryukishi, Gen and Nasu are more my kinda thing
AidanAK47
@Anon, it is nice that so many VNs are on steam but I wish they wouldn't be stupid with the whole no adult content thing. Not so much for myself but to prevent idiots from writing negitives reviews because the game doesn't have sex. VNs can grip you in a way anime simply can't and while they require pathence and time those can be some pretty powerful stories.
Anonymous678956
@Aidan, I am so happy steam's so VN-friendly now. I think it's a very good type of media. Like anime, it has nice visuals, music and some movement but also the inner monologue and text amount of books. It's the perfect combination. Plus, the routes, which are often puzzle pieces and PoVs you have to go through to understand the whole story. True routes like the one of Ever17 blew my mind.
AidanAK47
Hopefully the two VNs I bought of steam turn out better. Tokyo Babel is supposed to be alright and I heard really good things about Himawari.
AidanAK47
I am about a third of the way through the game and really not much of worth has happened. The concept is interesting but the execution is sorely lacking.
AidanAK47
I went in expecting it to be a mixed bag and it's pretty below my expectations. It's just not really well written and the protagonist is a moron. THere isn't really routes and instead you are pretty much stuck with his childhood friend as the main love interest. Problem with that is her character begins and ends with loving the main.
Anonymous675376
@Aidan, damn. 11Eyes is on my reading list as well. Although I almost expected it to not be as good as I thought it'd be (back then). Guess I would have enjoyed it if I was able to read it while the (shitty) adaption aired, maybe I have seen/read too many series by now. Guess I'll still give it a try some day though.
AidanAK47
@Anon, I haven't heard the OST or watched the intro video. I only know it be reputation and have decided to walk into it as blind as I can. Still slightly worried as I was somewhat looking forward to reading 11Eyes for a couple of years and now that I am reading it it's well...not good.
Anonymous675376
@Aidan, same here. I was waiting years for this, since I saw the intro video for the first time. Also, that OST!
HelghastKillzone
Youjo Senki is already leagues better than Izetta. It's going to be top anime of forever and ever. (maybe not)
AidanAK47
And finally Dies Irae is funded. May actually be able to play and finish the game before the anime airs. If the hype is real behind this baby it could be a new personal favorite Visual Novel of mine. Already looking promising with it being like a cross between Hellsing and Fate/Stay Night. Two things I most certainly like.
Lenlo
@Masky, in regards to style over substance thats where im at with Gurrne Lagann.
Topgavin
Yeah, I'll probably watch the next episode to see whether it can redeem itself. Hopefully it can but considering 1st episodes usually get a lot of budget, there's some severe doubt in there.
AidanAK47
I actually argee with character designs and voices are bad in regards to female characters. Still the next episode might change your mind if we get more into the main characters head.
Anonymous671470
It's boring
Topgavin
Also, it seems I disagree with a lot of people in thinking Youjo Senki will be a massive trainwreck. The character designs are awful, the voice acting is mismatched but most of all the premise just seems so very dumb. If I wanted to watch a badass kill people I'd go watch Hellsing or Drifters, because at least those don't have some op, disproportionate loli as the mc.
AidanAK47
Gets even more complicated when you account for Satire and Parody. You could equally argue all examples listed as being as such.
AidanAK47
Little Witch Academia is a decontruction of Harry Potter....I don't believe that but honestly if I tried I could put some reasoning behind that statement.
Topgavin
In the end, it always comes down to opinion (as with every discussion about anime, for some reason). You could spin any and every series as a "deconstruction", which is why people shy away from using the word. You could argue NGE, Madoka and Re:Zero are all deconstructions yet also argue Gundam, Precure and SAO are depending on what points you weigh more importantly.
Masky
Like, if deconstruction is supposed to be just "break the elements and then play story how it would realistically go down" well I haven't watched NGE, but as far as I know it does have stuff that isn't typical to mecha genre besides the "It would fuck up kids" thing plus "realistically how it would play out" is pretty subjective thing. I mean, its mainly about how cynical bastard the writer is :P
Masky
Like I said, I don't fully agree with it because I find video's speaker's attitude annoying, but I found it semi convincing. Main thing I don't find convincing about it is that I don't think its hard to turn video's own arguments agaisnt it and say that by its own logic NGE isn't deconstruction either, like Aidan just said earlier
Masky
And I don't really have energy for checking out the "correct" one. If there even is one. Anyway, the hipster video I was talking about was titled "What Actually Is A Deconstruction?" if you want to check it out.
Masky
Hmm, well, it does depend on definition you use. Like if you use "realistic" thing, well, Magical Girl shows don't usually have "You turn into monsters" thing going on and reason why NGE's pilots go crazy is from dangerous situations rather than evas making them do so. But honestly, I don't really have strong opinion on matter since word seems to be one of those with several different meaning
SuperMario
for me Madoka IS a deconstruction of Magical girl, and yeah like what Aidan said
SuperMario
I think part of Utena is a deconstruction of "prince riding horse and save the girl" because that notion is just a foundation for Utena to become a prince herself and save other girl. That's breaking it apart and resemble it again in its own way. Don't have to be dark/ don't have to be real either
AidanAK47
@Masky, That's just debating semantics. Besides that difinition would pretty much mean that Neon Genesis Evangelion isn't a decontruction either. Madoka isn't a decontruction because it's dark. It's more in its aspects of criticising why a girl should throw her ordinary life away for something as dangerous as being a magical girl. It does take plenty of the typical tropes and turn them on its head
SuperMario
@Masky: Genre deconstruction is such a tricky word that I normally try to avoid using because there's really no set characteristic about the term and different people have different opinions about what constitute "deconstruction". For me, I disagree that deconstruction have to be dark and real, hmm can't say it well but I will give you an example:
Masky
But yeah, I guess I could try to find the video if you guys are interested, though like I said, I got hipsterish feel from the video and felt rather annoyed through it even though I did get what the point was and found it sort of convincing besides my annoyance
Masky
(not that liking NGE is hipsterish, its just that I find NGE to be more style than substance sort of series <_< Anyway, guy didn't dislike madoka or anything, he just seemed to dislike people using word deconstruction wrong in his opinion)
Masky
(especially with how much they seemed to praise Neon Genesis Evangelion)
Masky
I mean, I think the guy was being somewhat hipsterish, but its true the being darker take on genre isn't same as deconstructing the genre
Masky
@AidanAK47: Some other guy on youtube did video that had actually pretty good point about how Madoka isn't really deconstruction, if you go by definition of "Break it down to parts and then play them straight to show how horrifying it would be in real life"
Anonymous670441
Gente - Ristorante no Hitobito
Kaiser Eoghan
If anything its the hate I have for certain characters that makes it more effective.
Kaiser Eoghan
The obsessional level of attachment is just uncomfortable to me, I don't want to get THAT attached to a non-real character.
Kaiser Eoghan
Its literally just a case of "Okay lets look at this picture of this character, she looks interesting, no feelings or expression from me, apply this fetish, fap, get release, go home. "
Kaiser Eoghan
Or drooling/dribbling/heavy breathing/grinning over the characters. I abhor alot of the anime girls I find attractive or am indifferent, even when looking at ecchi/hentai drawings I'm straight and clinical with it.
Kaiser Eoghan
I mean to each their own. But I really hate the level of emotion/devotion to moe/finding the characters attractive. Such as celebrating their birthdays, going on about how cute/hot they are, how important it is that they're virgins. Or not being being self-aware of how irritating the characters are.
Lenlo
Anime hipster is pretty accurate. His general treatment of the current state of anime is annoying, as is his obsession with moe. Maybe its cause I cant stand moe most of the time, but it bugs me.
Kaiser Eoghan
@Lenlo: Essentially my brothers view on digibro.
Kaiser Eoghan
@Aidan: I don't usually feel the need to correct errors in your reviews as the errors are generally un-important, but I think you meant to say apprentices rather than appearences in the Rakugo review, just bringing that up as it felt like kind of a throw off.
AidanAK47
Which is kinda like saying Madoka wasn't a magical girl deconstruction because Sailor Moon and Nanoha had dark elements too.
AidanAK47
Went and read the reddit comments on it and seems I was right on the money.
AidanAK47
@Lenlo, He's basically a anime hipster. For example, I saw a thumbnail of his which had Saitama on it and below it "Is There Meaning In "Subverting" Shounen Tropes?" and I thought "Okay, he's going to go on about how OPM isn't subversive and then list a bunch of arbitrary examples in an attempt to redefine what is actually subversive"
Lenlo
I have lots of issues with Digibro. Dude has some good points, but other very horrible ones. Some issues he feels strongly about and gets kinda biased on imo.
Anonymous669202
acca looks visually interesting, and I personally really dig this kind of show, but it seems that it's definitely not for everyone
AidanAK47
Time to live up to my word. Four posts incoming.
AidanAK47
Man, Little witch Academia was so good. I disagree with the whole Digibro thing about being able to recognise a great show in it's first episode but watching this makes me think that this really is going to be something special.
AidanAK47
Alright, gonna put in effort today and have 3 or 4 first impressions posts done. That should knock out near half the season.
Kaiser Eoghan
Had a flip through handshakers. Garish is the word I'd use to describe it visually, it takes you out of the show.
Topgavin
ASuperMario From the first minute I can already tell it's by the same people that made K. Those colour filters and the extremely jarring/obvious city CGI is unmistakable.
SuperMario
Hand Shakers, literally makes my hands shaking. It's an abosolute mess. Highly recommended to check it out because it's so terrible it's great to watch
Vonter212
Yeah, and it's also a literal woman in refrigerator plot device, since that the thing that pushes the story forward.
Masky
I'd say that having to hide your sister's body in fridge would count as daaaaaaark and edgy, but when the body is wearing only underwear, and for some reason main character put metal things in fridge to keep body standing(I guess to not knock fridge open from inside?) I think it goes to "exploitation" you are talking about
Vonter212
@Masky - Did someone said doing dark things for drama? That's the bread and butter to get despair. Unless it's for the sake of perversion. Then it's just exploitation.
Kaiser Eoghan
@Masky: His other works dead tube and scumbag go further in the unhinged regard.
Masky
*relies on easy "let's do [x dark thing] for drama!" thing
Masky
Geez, Mayonaka no X Giten is fricking disturbing/disgusting ._. I'm pretty sure that writing relies on e, but I can't help but think mangaka is trying to make corpses sexy.
SuperMario
I found Onihei to be quite good, actually one of the most solid new episode I watched this new season. Guys, check them out
Vonter
I just hope it doesn't fall into the same misstep Kabaneri or Inuyasha or Bleach fall by making a villain so over the top that it crossed the line of not having a satisfying downfall.
Anonymous657941
@Vonter I think they just moved on. I lost interest rather quickly and I guess even the fans did that at some point, like with some other long-running series. There is much more new and more direct "fujo" stuff out there, many of them probably switched. Don't know what happens in the manga but maybe the story got worse or contained things some people didn't like.
Vonter
January will be loli dictator month (for me) :p. World Conquest Zvezda Plot, Youjo Senki: Saga of Tanya the Evil (new), Seraph of the End. For some reason I stumble into three curious series with little power hungry girls. If I can ask, why did Owari Seraph's hype died, I remember back it was mentioned more often. It still has the fujoshi fanart but still, I don't see people bringing it up.
SuperMario
@CATski: well, if you didn't like its first 3 episodes I dont think the rest gonna change your mind. Have you finished Erased then? How did you like it?
SuperMario
But I understand it's difficult to speak in front of camera, get some time to get used to it
SuperMario
@kaiser: I won't commend on poem as I'm terrible at it myself but younneed to work more on presentation Kaiser. Small little things like looking directly at the camera or say "thanks for listening" in the end can connect you to the audience better
Anonymous657071
Ok. I'll give the thing another chance. *clicks torrent* XD. CATski.
Kaiser Eoghan
@Topgavin: You might like centaur no nanami if you like demi-chan.
Kaiser Eoghan
Damn...repeated myself =<
Kaiser Eoghan
There are these things called slam sessions done in bars where people get up and read out stuff in front of a crowd and read stuff out. Actually watching rakugo made me think about practicing for that kind of thing.
Kaiser Eoghan
@Mario: the video I did was of me reading out a short piece of writing I did, a poem. lol I uploaded it to the wrong youtube account too I just realized =P
[link src="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ypBZ2hBDBYs&t=11s
I"] was recording this from my mothers laptops inbuilt cam while reading off my desktop.
SuperMario
@Kaiser: I think it's a good idea for you to try out reviewing movies/stuffs in youtube channel. I'll be very interesting to listen to them
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