Posted by psgels on 23 September 2012 with categories: Sword Art Online

Oh come on, Sword Art Online. Are you really serious with this episode?

This isn’t Phi Brain, which has built itself up as being completely crazy.The setting you’re trying to build is a fairly believable one, so you really don’t get away with pulling such ridiculously stupid episodes like this.

So let’s see what all happened in this episode:
– The soldiers with no will to live of a few episodes ago came from the first floor and were sent there by this maniacal tyrant. Ok, makes sense.

– A woman who saw last episode’s display of swordsmanship requests Kirito and Asuna to help and save one of her comrades who is stuck in a cave without any weapons. This also is fair enough for a power struggle.

– When they arrive they find that he is trapped by some incredibly strong level 90 monster. First of all: why is that one guy still alive? Did the guy who took him there serve as a shield and did he find some sort of place to hide out in? I mean, that monster could have easily killed him in one swipe so I find that hard to believe. Also, what was that monster doing there, contradicting just about every rule established so far. There had better be some very good reasons for this. Also, why on earth did he take so long to warn Kirito&co. He started with that incredibly long greeting. Instead he could have yelled “watch out! Trap!”. And for that woman to not listen or even react to that was quite cringe-worthy.

– But the worst came when Yui suddenly pulled out god-mode powers and instantly deleted that thing. Let alone having her regain her memories at a very convenient time, the story of her being an AI monitoring program for player health just makes no bloody sense. Why on earth would you want to give her emotions like that? What on earth was the idea behind this? If people go crazy just show a cute young girl to her? What on earth?

– The biggest insult however was this: the story that Kirito and Asuna changed her because they shared some happy moments together. And apparently were the only ones in the ENTIRE GAME to do so. Are you really serious here? Are you really serious that they are the only successful couple in the bloody game? Did nobody else hook up? I mean heck. I knew that this show looked down upon the players that aren’t Kirito or cute girls, but I didn’t think that it was this bad.

– And Kirito, what on earth were you doing hacking into the server? How did you get a GM account, why didn’t you use this before and why are you powerful enough to override admin actions? Why did he know exactly what to do and why didn’t Asuna question this? And come on. The heart of an AI? Really?

For christ’s sake, if you’re going to have these twists, build them up or something. Hint that it’s possible. Don’t just randomly introduce them from out of bloody nowhere.
Rating: 2.5/8 (Disappointing)

59 Responses

  1. Mi-Mi-Mikuru says:

    did you watch this without subs? some of the things you complain about are explained (eg. the high level monster, the gm account)
    you should really stop watching raws if you don’t understand japanese.

    what i didn’t buy was the deep relationship those three shared, after knowing each other for what, 2 days? i guess that’s once again a pacing issue of this adaptation.

  2. Ransom says:

    Well, when attempting to animate without providing aditional insight into the novels, you end up with something like this. The novels explain that Kirito is actually very good with computer things, basically a high-level geek. Of course, this is never explained in the anime. And so, you end up like this. Yui relation with both Asuna and Kirito could have been better explained in the anime… Alas, it would have taken more time too.

    Finally, is not like Kirito and Asuna are the only happy couple in SAO, they just happened to casually be the ones that caught Yui attention… And the following is something that is more of my personal opinion: Those two are in their honeymoon and I know from experience that there is this sort of newlywed bliss thing that might last for a few weeks or even more depending on the couple. Basically, those two are in Bak-couple mode :D

    • Algent says:

      In the novel it also said nothing about the gm window showing the matrix, I expected a GU.

      Some of the things you blogged about are (poorly) explained, but it’s true this episode wasn’t great,
      All the last part of this short story in the LN had some issues with the writing and they aggravated them greatly.

    • mike says:

      If i remember, in first episode, kirito’s monitor shows some weird programing software. But true, it doesn’t tell us anything.

  3. Knuckers says:

    Yeah, I’m pretty confused because a majority of the things you complained about here since most were explained. The guy was literally in a “safe zone”, Yui used the GM account to delete the monster and Kirito just used it while it was still accessible, etc.
    My thoughts were more along the lines of “Wow, so they’re to the point where these people are adopting a program and plan to keep her after they get out of the game”
    I am happy that we got some insight into the workings of the game from Yui though.

  4. Pp1T says:

    You shouldn’t watch anime when sleepy. This comprehension/attention errors seems to be very common in your reviews.

  5. Zero says:

    One tip: Don’t complain about nonexistent flaws. If you’re going to complain, at least bother to watch the targeted show.

    – Sinker was in a safe zone, meaning an area where monsters can’t reach.

    – The group was in a dungeon, and all dungeons have a boss monster. «Fatal Scythe» was the boss of Black Iron Castle dungeon, obviously. It’s not contradicting any rules. The group was in a hidden dungeon underneath the Army Headquarters, not the first floor dungeon.

    – Yui didn’t pull out god-mode powers from no where. As explained, she tapped into the GM console to delete the boss. She’s able to do that because she’s part of the system.

    – Kirito didn’t have a GM account. Yui activate the console—Kirito just used it before it shut off. Using that, he turned Yui into an in-game item, hence we get her “heart.” Kirito also saved Yui’s data into his Nerve Gear, so he can tap into it when Aincrad is completed.

    – Kirito and Asuna aren’t the only happy couple. They are, however, only one of the VERY few. Aincrad only has a population of 6,000. Subtract from this all the “older” folk, the children, and the clearers who are rather busy. And then take into account the people who aren’t too trusting of others—after all, inventory is shared among couples. We get maybe 2,000. As already explained, being a action-based MMORPG, there are very few females. I’d say the out of the 2,000 , only 250 of those are friends with someone of the opposite sex. And then only maybe 100 actually possess feelings for the other. Don’t forget, these feelings have to be reciprocated. In the end? a possible 25 couples.

    • Someguy says:

      But how did thinker get through the hallway with the level 90 monster in the first place? From my understanding, that monster would be powerful enough to one or two shot anyone. Also, Yui saving them in the last minute came around as a terrible deus ex machina. There was just no reason for her to be an AI in the first place. And that melodrama moment with her after that was also very rushed and uninteresting, as I simply didn’t care for the characters. And I’m pretty sure the show clearly states that she choose Asuna and Kirito because they were different from the other players.
      Overall, this episode was very rushed and really showed how much those filler episodes (from 3 to 8 if I’m not mistaken) hurt the series. Swaping some of them for some character development or story progression would certainly have helped.
      I ended up writing too much, sorry for the wall of text ^^’

  6. Ruka says:

    Well… I don’t care to much for the episode rating because the watcher clearly understand most of the episode.Zero said all the things that you didn’t understand, and… Saving someone in a dungeon or some player is not “bad twist” at all. Unexpected things happen in MMO… And c’mon, some geeks/nerds that play MMO know a lot of computer things, Yui left the GM account open and Kirito used it a bit JUST TO get “Yui’s heart”. If he was some God Hacker probably he would do more “game breaking” things.
    About the feelings of Asuna and Kirito with Yui… Well, if you don’t put yourself in the character’s skin you won’t get it at all.

  7. Ruka says:

    *the watcher clearly didn’t understand*

  8. UltimateReaper says:

    Dude I thought this episode was great.
    Dude nearly everything here has a proper explanation.
    Dude.
    Really?

    • Aidanak47 says:

      Hahahahahahaha…..hahahahaha…….hehehehehehe
      …..Ah….that was just classic. “This episode was great”…hehehe.

      • UltimateReaper says:

        I’m not really sure how to say this but you no longer exist to me.

        • AidanAK47 says:

          Then why are you replying to someone who doesn’t exist? It’s a sign of insanity for someone to talk to themselves.

          • Kamen Grinder says:

            You’re actually a pain in his ass he just can’t ignore.

          • Hououin Kyouma says:

            Yes, I think you’re a pain, too. He just said he “thought”(personal opinion) and then again there are some explanations dismissed for the sake of quality. It’s not that groundless, his opinion.

  9. Paralytix says:

    @UltimateReaper

    This episode sucks to the core. I say episode 3 was still the best episode.

  10. kenzie says:

    lmao at all the fanboys’ butthurt comments.

  11. Vicious says:

    Lately, from the time E7AO turned into a trainwreck and on, I’ve been kind of disagreeing with reviews in here.
    This episode was far from perfect, it had a lot of flaws, but it wasn’t as bad as it’s ranked either.
    The score feels even wronger when the last episodes of E7AO are ranked so high, and that seeing that E7AO has peaked down awfully in technical and storytelling terms…

    • Vicious says:

      PS: I feel this episode was so 2.5/8 as the last two E7AO episodes, and by that I mean disappointing.
      PS2: But at least it still hold technical quality.

  12. Spike says:

    Pretty obvious you and some of the other bloggers either know only very basic Japanese or just aren’t paying attention probly due to your bias since you’ve seemed jaded the past few episodes. Pretty much all your complaints were answered somewhere in the series.

    Yui was created to be a ‘friend’ that players would have before they ‘lost it’ like many players did and commited suicide / PKed / and all the other screwed up things that some players experienced. She is meant to think and feel like a normal player since an NPC isn’t going to be very comforting. On launch day, the system said – nope don’t do what you were created to do, just watch. Picture a normal person having to ‘feel’ the negative emotions of 10,000 people. Yui was broken by that weight but seeing the 2 TRULY happy ppl on the server changed her (a bit cheesy). All this was pretty clearly explained…

    • meow says:

      Difficulty believing that Kirito and Asuna are the only two happy lovers in the game. The flower level episode was full of happy-looking couples. And in several towns, there looked to be a lot of people who were having fun. Yes, there are badly broken people that could have traumatized Yui too but I think the animators missed a chance to correct a flaw in the novels. Maybe they were the closest ones to her at the time…? That level 22 area where Kirito and Asuna had their house looked like a peaceful no-monster zone.

      • sorcerer says:

        All “happy-looking couples” were NPCs.

        • Sta says:

          The problem here then would be a lack of understanding about AI. AI’s can’t learn or feel they simply process.

          In the apparent understanding or showing of emotions – the AI is just using a Markov Chain to gain statistical data which is then parsed through the computer’s pseudo-random number generator to produce probable reactions.

          Therefore AI’s don’t understand anything but just computes based on past data a probability based action – It is impossible for an AI to “break” just because the data is negative. If the data is within the programmer’s expected input values (which it is) the program would have no trouble with the input.

          To be fair – a good deal of things in SAO are frankly impossible and unlikely – even if VR on the MMORPG scale existed.

  13. wicked says:

    I cant really tell anymore, I’ve been blindsided by too many AO twists

  14. Aidanak47 says:

    It is true that you weren’t paying attention Psgels. However this episode is pretty bad and while explained the explanations still were kinda stupid. I don’t care if Kirito was hacker Jesus, to be able to create an item like that, when he has not had any computer contact in two years, with an unfamiliar system, and pulling it off in a span of a few seconds with some typing. That’s just ridiculous. Also how did that guy manage to end up in trapped in a safe zone right beside the boss? I mean literately, how? That boss nearly killed Kirito and Asuna in one shot, so how did some low level, unarmed guy manage to get past him? Even if he was put down there it doesn’t make sense.
    And Yuki, this really is your weakest OST.

  15. dsa says:

    Sword art online, is fun.

    But not a solid series.

  16. FUCK YEAH.

    Finally I can fullheartedly agree with you, psgels! ^_^
    That episode was so horrible, that I laughed, cried and bumped my head against the wall! All at the same time!

    R.I.P GOOD TASTE I WILL MISS YOU.

  17. meow says:

    The soldiers with no will to live of a few episodes ago came from the first floor and were sent there by this maniacal tyrant. Ok, makes sense.

    Actually it would make more sense from the novel. I was kind of hoping the animators would find a way to flesh out the Army a lot better than this but they didn’t so let’s see if I can. NOVEL SPOILERS ABOUT THE ARMY

    The Army was formed around the beginning of the game by Sinker(Thinker?). I don’t think they were called the Army back then but basically like it was explained this ep, Sinker tried to get everyone to cooperate together and share information and resources with as many people as possible to clear the game. They’re the largest guild in the game and maintain the prisons and some semblance of law and order and used to be very active in the front lines and often monopolized fields and hunting zones. However, I don’t know if it’s mentioned but every 25 levels, the boss monster becomes incredibly powerful, far more than previous boss monsters. The 50th level boss basically wiped out most of the Army’s frontliners and this caused the Army to decline. The small team that Asuna and Kirito saved a few episodes ago were remnants of the Army trying to maintain their image of trying to clear the game but they’re a shadow of what they used to be as they’ve had to try to rebuild/regrind from lower level members. This is why Kibaou was able to take power from Sinker. Sinker btw is one of the mature characters in the game, an editor of an online games news site called “MMO Today” which Kirito used to read to keep up-to-date on gaming news. All this got skipped in the anime’s rushed pace. >.>;

    When they arrive they find that he is trapped by some incredibly strong level 90 monster. First of all: why is that one guy still alive?

    That dungeon was actually not meant to be found. Like Yui explained, it’s an emergency access panel for Gamemaster use. That’s why it has a super-overpowered boss to keep players away from it. I do think it’s fishy how Sinker actually managed to get to the console room safely since the boss’s job is to keep people out but somehow he managed to. Well, normally players can’t access that panel but Yui, as an AI and part of the system can. And by accessing it, she got repaired but at the same time, got detected by the system as a rogue element after destroying the room’s defences. Btw, safe areas have been introduced before. Remember the scene where Asuna and Kirito first run away from the lvl 74 boss and get to a room where they sit down to have lunch? There are safe areas like that where no monsters can enter for players to catch a breather. Btw, Red/Orange Guilds often use safe zones like that as shelters/bases since they can’t enter towns after getting Orange status from attacking other players.

    But the worst came when Yui suddenly pulled out god-mode powers and instantly deleted that thing.

    She’s meant to be a part of the system that can offer limited psychological support to troubled players when GMs aren’t available to handle these cases hands on. She has console/root access, you could say. Best analogy I can think of is console commands for games like Oblivion, Mass Effect or Fallout 3. She can summon and delete game objects, probably teleport to any zone in the game and has access to players’ emotional state of mind through their links to the system. That’s how she can tell when people are lying or not and more. Btw, there may be more than one entity in the game with AI. When we first meet Yui, she’s badly damaged, unable to remember her original functions and acts like a baby. Also, it’s her damaged state that caused her programming to be altered so she would connect to Asuna and Kirito the way she did. Undamaged, she would remain more or less true to her original programming. Think of Cz from Scrapped Princess or Video Girl Ai. Certain events affect her and seem to unlock her abilities. Asuna saving those kids apparently caused her to be able to read mental states again. And finally, touching the GM control panel (which the animators really should have given the audience a glimpse of) repaired her enough to regain her memories and enough functionality to delete the boss monster.

    The biggest insult however was this: the story that Kirito and Asuna changed her because they shared some happy moments together. And apparently were the only ones in the ENTIRE GAME to do so.

    Agreed here. I have a hard time believing it too. Maybe the damage to her programming limited her ability to read minds until coincidentally, she ran into the happy Kirito and Asuna in the woods, which acted as a salve. She was supposed to be locked up in the system yet she manifested herself in the woods. I think it was just a giant coincidence that she happened to find two happy people among all the tragic ones that had broken her before. Not well explained in the anime, sadly.

    And Kirito, what on earth were you doing hacking into the server? How did you get a GM account, why didn’t you use this before and why are you powerful enough to override admin actions? Why did he know exactly what to do and why didn’t Asuna question this? And come on. The heart of an AI? Really?

    Yui unlocked the account before disappearing so Kirito had a brief window of time to access the console try to salvage Yui’s data into his local Nervegear storage space (apparently, it has one. ^^;). Brief window (see how he got thrown backwards?) so his only objective at the time was to save Yui from being lost for good. And yeah, the heart of an AI. Remember a certain other heart item from another episode? This is probably not the last we’ll see of Yui.

    Rushed, lack of explanation and build-up, a lot of suspension of disbelief moments. I miss Hyouka. T.T Nobuna just finished too.

    • elior1 says:

      about how kirito is so good with computers so suddenly it will explained after they will finish the game which will be very soon

    • hoiut says:

      Wow! Meow to the rescue with a gripping, in-depth missive on the founding, history, and functions of the Army (called the “Front” elsewhere, interestingly enough), as well as some fundamental insight into Yui’s nature. Kudos to you!

      I must say, the Army is certainly a great deal more interesting in light of your explanation than I was led to believe from the brief glimpses the anime provided. Quite a remarkable backstory for Thinker especially!

      • meow says:

        ^^;

        There’s actually more from the novels about the state of things in the Starting World, the home base of the Army. Basically it’s full of people who are terrified of dying from playing the game and are trying to stay safe in the safe zone of the starting town. So basically they’re all still level 1. They don’t even leave town and make do with doing safe quests inside the city like picking fruit from trees. It’s why Asuna’s scare tactics worked so well on the Army thugs. They may look like the guys Asuna saved from the lvl 74 boss but they’re probably just punks who have never fought a real monster before, not even the newbie mobs outside of town. And Sinker and his girlfriend/2nd-in-command Yuriel are mainly administrators in the organization so they don’t grind much in terms of levels. It’s really a miracle Sinker/Thinker survived his encounter with the terminal guardian.

        After this event, apparently they expelled Kibaou and his followers from the Army and changed it into a support organization for players and the inhabitants in the city, leaving the clearing to the current frontline guilds. We don’t hear from Kibaou after this again, at least so far.

  18. hoiut says:

    I think people are picking at psgels’ language a little unfairly. He probably means to question the following:

    – Why the boss was so high-leveled compared to the other monsters, which to the viewer’s knowledge has never happened before? Something unprecedented needs to either be accentuated properly or built up beforehand.

    – Why/how was Kirito able to use the GM terminal so quickly and effectively, when even GM’s in such games have no ability to access and compress core program data or modules (the extent of GM control is basic in-game item duplication, deletion, moving, and crowd control. Oh, and logging people out in various ways — hint, hint).

    – How is Kirito able to save game server data (Yui program) to his “NervGear” directly? Wouldn’t it go to his SAO save file on there instead?

    – Assuming this is the first/only window Kirito has ever had into the system, why would he get caught up in the moment trying to salvage program code instead of the myriad other tools at his disposal? If he has the ability to take ownership of core code required to clone, compress, and alter Yui into a game item, surely he could have corrupted or revoked the fatal “logout policy” long enough for a group suicide/expulsion.

    – The family building wasn’t developed enough in the anime to evoke the feelings it intended to.

    – Safe zone: yes, Thinker was in it. But the question is, how did both he and the tyrant manage to escape the boss long enough (unarmed in his case, maybe both of their cases) to reach/locate the safe spot without issue when they first arrived? Recall that the same boss nearly knocked out two of the game’s best players in full armor through their, um, 3-sword defense.

    – Why did she take on the form of a little girl? (Or, in item storage, a teardrop?) Why was she programmed to exhibit and express negative human emotion when all that would reasonably be required is to understand, parse, and address such emotion in a soothing way? Why was her module kept loaded instead of off or deleted? Why did she accumulate errors? (Interestingly enough, if she was forced to observe/”log” the huge amount of suffering, the log file could have gotten big enough to cause a buffer overflow she could then use to NOP-sled right over to shellcode and wrest control over herself from the calling function). In any case, little questions as to her identity can pile up.

    – Contrived convenience. Yui “happened” to single out the two main characters, “happened” to break the rules around them, “happened” to lose her memories immediately when found and immediately when convenient, “happened” to have a GM emergency terminal nearby she could access to delete a boss (instead of just taking advantage of her status as an immortal shield/diversion). The boss itself “happened” to be unprecedentedly overpowered compared to area monsters. And then Kirito “happened” to have leet enough skills to hijack the GM window that “happened” to be comprehensible to him and left open long enough (without verifying the avatar that used it) to save/copy/compress/shape-change her program (and ONLY tinker with that one program) to store it “directly” to his NervGear. All this because the Front vice-prez “happened” to catch wind of K&A still in town while the biggest event in her organization was occurring right underfoot at that very moment. And Yui (who looks just like a baby Sacchi) “happened” to beg and be allowed to tag along with them nonchalantly into an unknown-high-level secret dungeon rife with high-level ‘traps’ (the same scenario and lack of caution that Kirito conveniently forgets killed off his old guild…including “grown” Sacchi).

    But the shock value was high and the fight cool to watch — and really, what more do you really need in shounen? I’d say this episode as a whole was at least “enjoyable” despite a few logic shortcuts.

    • hoiut says:

      In light of meow’s post, I’m going to attempt to answer some of these questions.

      – “Why so high-leveled, boss?!” The entire dungeon was a secret area intended to hide the GM emergency terminal. Kibao (the tyrant) somehow stumbled upon it through dubious means when he probably wasn’t supposed to. The boss is overpowered to guard the terminal against any intruders.

      – “How was Kirito able to use it so well?! He ain’t no stinkin’ GM.” True, but apparently the terminal isn’t just a random matrix of numbers as the anime depicts. He’s not cracking in binary, he’s using a simple system human GM’s are supposed to be able to use (in addition to AI’s, apparently).

      – “So how was he able to copy, save, and compress server program files onto his NervGear directly?” No commento — probably a plothole (or just a simplification) on the author’s part.

      The level of “satisfaction” one might have with these answers aside, the other questions/issues remain unanswered/unaddressed. But that’s not necessarily a terrible thing.

  19. Arsalan says:

    This episode really annoyed me too. First the whole Parent/Child relationship with Yui. It went way too far, especially since for 99% of the time, they were under the assumption that this kid already had parents. After she was found out to be an AI and deleted, well that’s sad. However, they barely knew her! And Kirito copied her with his (sudden) unbelievably fast computer skills so they could raise an AI child after they get out? WTF. They just met this girl/AI!

    The other part that had me groaning hard was the existence of such an AI in the first place. If my psychological state isn’t so hot in game, running into a little girl AI is supposed to help? And why was she such an advanced AI? I mean shit, I know it’s the future, but damn. Also, she wasn’t even in use. Why not just have the process deleted from the get go?

    • wicked says:

      well, I dont think she was always supposed to manifest the way she did with these two, she was banned from interfering completely. At the very least she can stop people from killing themselves. The SAO system as a whole is self sustaining, and she seems to access multiple core functions, program still monitors players, just prevented to do anything with it.

    • meow says:

      It went way too far, especially since for 99% of the time, they were under the assumption that this kid already had parents.

      I kinda put it down to their newlywed mood. She and Kirito are kind of at a high point in their lives. And I really mean high. For the first time, this death game they’re stuck in has become something of a paradise where they can be together, to the point where they’re seriously considering not leaving and wanting to spend the rest of their lives in, even if their lives are considerably shortened. They have their own beautiful home, with a lot of good food to eat, have friends and possess what they need to thrive in their environment.

      I took Kirito’s question last episode about whether their relationship was only in-game to be quite realistic, in the sense that once they got out, everything would change. Kirito would be back to being a middle school gaming freak and Asuna, the daughter from a rich family. Likeliness of drifting apart and never seeing each other again are pretty high.

      If there would be one thing missing from their current bliss, it might be the ability to conceive. And hey, suddenly Yui appears, punching all of Asuna’s motherly instincts. (We don’t see much of Kirito’s reactions but he seems supportive.)

      The other part that had me groaning hard was the existence of such an AI in the first place.

      She’s an unusual case because she’s broken, which allowed her to evolve beyond what her creators meant for her. I think there are other AI around. The entire Cardinal system could be one giant AI too, but Yui was specifically created to emulate humans and, while broken, came to evolve into something closer to a human-like state. It’s her evolved state that allowed her to defy the system and, in doing so, sacrifice her own existence. It’s an old cliche from dozens of other sci-fis and the rushed pace of this story doesn’t help at all but there you go.

  20. Quick advice:

    How about spending your genius insight power and time more wisely by using it on series that aren’t totally screwed by the studio?

    It’s not only the “negative” aspects we saw this epsode that will be annoying the shit out of you in the following episodes.

    And what will happen?

    Exactly: You will question the waste of your precious lifetime on some poorly directed half-assed production.

  21. kazid33 says:

    Actually was a very good episode. Very solid and heart warming. I dont understand a lot of complaiments here either the “note” is like some guys have a grudge againts this series, is certain that the studio dont managed the source very well, is to rushed, but is neither bad, To me and to many people is already at the top of the animes of this year, and yeah for me, top to also to series like natsuyuki, Eureka, moyashimon, etc(except meaby hyoka I like to much that series) Please can you give a neutral treatment. I see a lot of nonsenses heaters here.

    • Dave S. says:

      I don’t have a grudge towards this series. I just really dislike poorly planned and executed anime, especially after they get your hopes up in the beginning, and it starts to turn into a big mess of cliche. Hey, I’m not saying you can’t enjoy it and that you’re the scum of the earth if you do. That’s not what’s going on at all. I just really dislike how the series is going. It’s not nonsense. And please don’t expect everyone to be all “Oh, I don’t hate anything. Everything is wonderful!” How bland this world would be if we all had similar opinions or never voiced different ones. But yeah, I agree there are still a lot of people who think this series is just enjoyable to watch if you don’t delve too deeply into the plotholes, but if you get butthurt reading comments speaking badly of SAO, don’t go to a critic blog because I feel like this series is really a you either hate it or love it thing.

  22. imredjimmy says:

    This episode wasn’t as terrible as 2.5 but it wasn’t good either. Yui was so freaking stereotypical annoying little over-cute girl. How did the guy manage to reach the safe zone without get killed first? Did he just run very fast?? Anyway, I don’t find Sword Art Online having any redeeming qualities. It’s not awful or terrible in any way, but it also doesn’t stand out either. The characters are fine, the actions is fine, the story keeps switching from awful, to fine, to kind of good to fine again. I’m giving this one last chance…although I’m not sure it deserves it.

    • Dave S. says:

      I think you summed it up really nice. It’s not cliche to the point of calling it absolutely terrible, but it’s nothing special either. It’s just kind of there, and I wish I could stop watching to save my time, but almost everything else that’s out right now is equally unremarkable or even worse. I’ll just go watch some older series now..

  23. rawr says:

    what you have to realize is that Sword Art Online is not an anime, it’s just a high-budgeted advertisement for the Novels. Once you’ve come to term with this fact, the anime becomes a lot more bearable to watch.

  24. Bunny says:

    I found it……………..boring :)

  25. Aquarion old fan says:

    Yui is GM, feel re-do your review…

    • meow says:

      Unfortunately, I don’t blame psgels for his reaction at all. I think this episode should have been able to depict more of the stuff I mentioned above, or at least, enough for easy inference, without requiring someone who read the novels to come in to explain things. I was actually intending to avoid discussion on SAO since I’ve already been spoiled by the novels.

      I wonder how I would feel about this anime production if I hadn’t read the novels.

  26. Alec says:

    They had a scene that felt shallow not long ago, now they have a scene that felt very shallow.

  27. Cheeseman says:

    psgels quality of review has been going downhill. Though I used to love reading his thoughts despite different opinions, not even getting his facts straight is beyond having a bias… For example, a while back there was an incident with the “clock” for Space Brother, but he realized his mistake. This time, although I would agree the anime probably wasn’t perfect at presenting the facts, but it was still there; an apology/redo of the review seems to be fair… A much better negative review can be found http://www.lostinanime.com/2012/09/sword-art-online-12.html IN FACT, I’ve found myself liking his reviews more, as it is more thought provoking, logical/coherent with solid evidence. Even though I personally like a number system for review, Enzo has demonstrated that one can still have a superior anime blog without number ranking. There are many other evidence showing psgels has been more bias and stubborn as his popularity soars beyond most other anime blogs. Hyouka got a production value of 9??? Seriously? What’s a more beautifully drawn anime recently? Eureka Seven Ao with that HIGH of a score? While I like the series it seems more of a trainwreck than Code Geass… You DO have the right to say whatever you want. You DO have the popularity and history to be respected. But there’s a limit to how much you troll the anime and the audience of this blog.
    Personally, I dislike this episode, but I would NEVER publish something in public with crapload of false accusations.
    Anyone who wishes to read more good blog on anime, I suggest you lostinanime. You might agree or differ in opinions, but that’s why reading/commenting on blogs are so fun, so long as they’re backed up by reasons.

    • psgels psgels says:

      Ohoho, you shouldn’t read some of my entries from a number of years ago. I might want to correct this entry, but I first want to catch up to the huge backlog I created from my holidays.

      What I don’t understand is why you suddenly grab Hyouka and Eureka Seven here. What do they have to do with Sword Art Online? Also, regarding Hyouka’s production values: I reserve the 9.5 and 10 ratings for series that do something really special with their animation (think Bonen no Xamdou, Casshern Sins, Fate/Zero). Hyouka’s animation was really good, but not good enough.

      • Cheeseman says:

        ohohoho, psgels actually replied! (half sarcasm, half genuine surprise in a good way) You’re right, I don’t think I would want to read your entries from a number of years ago, since some of those scores seemed to be inconsistent. However, when I found your blog about a year ago, it was good, really. The blog was updated constantly, and the posts were interesting.

        As for why I mentioned Hyouka and Eureka Seven here…those were just examples where I found the reviews were strange, which acted as evidence for my post why I think the quality of the blogs here are degrading. (I posted in SAO since this was the biggest blunder and I felt compelled to comment, which is pretty rare) There was no reason to post 3 times on different entries imo, but if you feel inappropriate, by all means take my post down.

        As for Hyouka, I believe it is in the same caliber as Fate/Zero (UTW BD) and Bonen no Xamodu (Thora BD), and I feel it is superior to Casshern Sins (Thora BD). It’s just different kind of style. If one examines Hyouka meticulously, one can see how much SUBTLE details are added to the world, even as minute as concrete dust making it so realistic. There were also some symbols, such as the last scene with the sakura. Those shaped more like hearts than the real things. Fate/Zero and Bonen no Xamodu are considered visual feasts, due to its epic settings, but Hyouka pulled something off differently and I thought for what it is, it deserved 9.5. I’m sure you have justifications for why they are superior, and I’m sure I would probably agree to a certain extent.
        So let’s assume you reserve 9.5 and 10 for the BEST of the BEST, so be it. But looking back at past reviews, most of production values were 8, 8.5, or 9…So how can you set Hyouka (or some other anime) apart? I believe some production values needed to be set lower, just so there’s a relative difference between the production values, since that is the whole point of a scale; and by no means it means the anime looks bad, it’s just doesn’t look as good as some other anime.

        Excuse my somewhat convoluted argument since I’m sort of sleepy now…and I wish I have the time to start my own anime blog, (e.g. for a proper argument above, I would also post the screenshot of the various scenes and tell the audience what’s the source for validity) …but due to time limitations, it’s almost impossible…which is why I’m so surprised you took some time off your busy schedule to reply. But author replies do make a difference in the blogs…lolz

        Anyway, I meant no harm and only wish this blog can improve instead of losing quality due to the cocky nature in all humans, which sometimes slip through our humble selves.

        * the last sentence probably didn’t even make sense… oh well…

    • Alec says:

      A little advertising probably won’t hurt

  28. Andmeuths says:

    It’s all about adaptation compression, arguably with a nasty bit of adaptation decay thrown in. The way I see it though, Kawahara WAS intending to publish more volumes after the second got greenlighted, so this was one of the side stories that paved the way for the next arc to make sense. This wasn’t in Volume 1, but in Volume 2’s Side Story compilations IIRC.

    From here on out, the narrative becomes completely cohesive, instead of jumping from place to place as had happened in the first Nine Episodes.

  29. RABUJOI says:

    – We’re fine with the Army being big and corrupt, but run by Kibaou? Honestly we barely remember that guy, but weren’t in any hurry to see him again. Now it’s almost like they’re foreshadowing him as a future baddie.

    – We didn’t have any problem with Thinker being cornered by a Level 90 Boss…overpowered bosses in hidden dungeons are nothing new to RPGs. He must have gotten to the safe zone by the skin of his teeth.

    – We also didn’t have any problem with Yui pulling out godlike powers. We were expecting it. Last week she was a total mystery but after seeing the whole game fizzle a bit when she passes out, we knew she was powerful, it was just a matter of when those powers would awaken. It’s pretty standard RPG fare for superpowers to awaken in someone in the nick of time (re-playing Star Ocean 3 at the moment). Also, while she bends the rules of the game to delete the boss, there is a balancing consequence – her own deletion. It’s not like she went around killing all the bosses and breaking all the rules for Kirito. She was an anomaly, not a party member, and there were clear limits to her power.

    – While we’re not sure what exactly Yui would do in such a capacity, “In-game mental health counselor” is actually an interesting idea when dealing with long-term VR players. Also interesting is that the ruling AI of SAO decided to sideline her rather than allow her to do the job she was programmed to do. In this regard, she’s an “exile” program similar to the Oracle in The Matrix, one that deals with the “human side” of the game in a way the ruling AI – obsessed with order and balance – may not quite grasp.

    – Another common thread amongst RPGs we’ve played is that you have longer-term relationships that build more naturally (i.e., Kirito x Asuna) and then you have shorter-term relationships that build less naturally, but are still treated as important, powerful bonds (i.e., Yui). Your point about Kirito and Asuna being the ONLY ones whose RABU & JOI is strong enough to get Yui’s attention is far-fetched, but as for how quickly they take a parental shine to her – and how devastated they are by her loss – that doesn’t bother us at all.

    – Kirito may be a former Beta tester, but we didn’t know until now he also had the technical skill to hack the system. This bothers us a bit, especially when he’s punished so lightly (a light shock). Considering lives are at stake anyway, you’d think security measures of the game would eliminate anyone tampering with the code, or at least cost them some inventory or gold. It’s also pretty convenient that there’s a console inside the safe zone (though maybe that’s just a fact we weren’t aware of).

  30. Kamen Grinder says:

    That’s got to be the lowest score I have ever seen for an episode. It’s good to see you can be harsh sometimes.

  31. Hououin Kyouma says:

    I don’t think either this ep deserves such a low score, we know this is not an overly deep anime, nevertheless we should keep in mind the LN’s.
    Ok, some things were poorly explained, others rushed and a few others not so easily credible but; I still think SAO is worth watching because manages to keep the impulse for reaching what lies at the end, who its mastermind is, and at least for me the shounen action is fun!

  32. Rod Payseur says:

    Hey. I believe there is some thing wrong with your links. I hope you are able to fix it!

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Amagi
I would have prefered it if the magical beings were weird looking instead of all of them being beautiful sameface humans. Also the special role of Chise and how everyone gets alured by her give me strong otome vibes and I am really not a fan of this gerne
Amagi
@Lenlo/KT same here. It's just that AMB can't come even close to Inu, Shuumatsu or Houseki. I am no a fan of the pacing and the rest is basically just fantasy.
Kaiser-Eoghan
Was worried there for a moment thinking sangatsu no lion was ending next week, turns out season 2 is 22 episodes afterall.
Lenlo
Yeah KT, watching the two together has not come out favorably for AMB for me.
Kaiser-Eoghan
I believe it works better in hellsing and drifters moreso to both being goofball action shows.
KTravlos
A point on the chibi in AMB. I was thinking about shows were the chibi did not bother me, and Hellsing Ultimate and Drifters (newest episodes coming out), both had deformed/chibi segments. For some reason they did not bother me. I think ABM directors have bad timing with them.
KTravlos
I have to say Ichirou Inuyashiki is very cool. Like he is really a cool character. Also I am saddened to say it but watching AMB together with Inuyashuki does not work well for AMB
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Silver: There are sad moments certainly but plenty of humour.
Anonymous1639132
Man, I sure hope Ichirou Inuyashiki and Hiro Shishigami make out, everything is just building up to that
silver
I actually have only watched one or two episodes of this season of 3-gatsu, but its rising scores and rave reviews are making me really excited! I've only put it off because it's somewhat emotionally tiring for me
SuperMario
@Kaiser: Well, after the first season of 3-gatsu ended, I did skim ahead to this bullying arc so I already know this is going to be powerful, yet the anime still wow me over and over
Anonymous1637770
Also it can be tricky selecting a season sequel since some old series had like 50 to 100 episodes, what counted as a season then?
Anonymous1637770
@Kaiser-Eoghan - It's more common in videogames (especially Capcom) than in other mediums. Megaman 2, RE 2, Street Fighter 2, Dino Crisis 2, Marvel vs. Capcom 2, etc.
Kaiser-Eoghan
Actually in a rarity, a sequel season is better than the first.
Kaiser-Eoghan
Which makes my enjoyment of sangatsu so strange.
Kaiser-Eoghan
And I generally do not like game/sports orientated shows.
Kaiser-Eoghan
That you slightlySuper-erMario and superwooper!
Kaiser-Eoghan
And my reaction to the show is such, that I enjoyed it enough to make such a huge pot about it.
Kaiser-Eoghan
Also I want Akari to be my mom and Hina is adorable without being annoyingly so and Kana Hanazawa is doing a good job voicing her.

And whoever said it is right, the op/ed songs are worth listening to, for once I’m not skipping them.
Kaiser-Eoghan
At this point it feels as if by the end of the series I’ll come off it thinking that I don’t want to say goodbye to these characters.
I don’t think as of just yet it complete lives up to honey and clovers legacy though.
Kaiser-Eoghan
I never cared about Harunobu initially, but recent episodes have changed this.
Dull parts of the manga are easier to get through for me in the anime due to Shaft elevating the material with one of the better uses of their visual gimmicks.
Giving the series another chance, even though I won’t fully embrace the humour, it does now and then manage to make me laugh a little.
Kaiser-Eoghan
The bullying arc centering on Hina and the shows treatment of it is better than most anime bullying stories and has provided the most emotionally rewarding aspect of the show.
Characters that are assholes like Kyouko’s boyfriend, Kyouko herself I’m finding somewhat more sympathetic and want to see more to their personal drama.
Kaiser-Eoghan
However I do genuinely think that the series does a good job of allowing dramatic moments to creep up on the viewer, that early scene of Hina crying over her mother, Rei’s family flashbacks, Akari’s concerns about Hina/the stuff with her dad, all the scenes with Kyouko do carry an effective and solid dramatic weight to them.
Kaiser-Eoghan
I feel it starts very strong, making a great first impression, then kind of has these dull moments that make it sort of a slog at times to get through, unfortunately I have no interest in chess/shougi and no knowledge the show tries to give me is going to stick or allow me to embrace that.
Kaiser-Eoghan
Through jumping back and forth between the anime and manga, I can say I have no caught up to where I will now watch March comes like a lion on a weekly basis.
Anonymous1636224
The blood of the innocent will flow without end, mmmmmm this is why I love Inuyashiki
Anonymous1636224
Mmmmmm the suffering of all those innocent people feeding his God boner, this is why I love Inuyashiki
Lenlo
Oh yeah, thats not a knock against it. Just noting they dont *need* much animation
SuperMario
Well, the nature of Mahoutsukai is slow-burned, so it makes sense they focus more on static, quiet moments
Lenlo
Was that blade 2022 thing supposed to be an example? Because I wasnt a fan. It was stylish sure, but difficult to follow.
Lenlo
Maho is a good looking show, I wouldnt call it a great animated show.
Lenlo
The issue for me is, theres just not alot being animated most of the time. Usually its a pretty slow moving anime, so most of its time is talking and still shots. It doesnt need alot of animation, so it doesnt have it.
Lenlo
@Niel, I think Mahoutsukai can have good animation when it wants to. Like the water viel in episode 10 looked good (Though im not sure how much of that was after effects)
Anonymous1635607
uhhh creepy
Anonymous1635589
the blood of the innocent will flow without end, mmmm this is why I love Inuyashiki so much
Amagi
I think the security is the same as here, it's just that Japanese people are less likely to rip stuff (correct me if I am wrong). It seems like ripped anime, manga and so on are basically always uploaded by Americans, Chinese people or someone else.
Kaiser-Eoghan
I was surprised heavens feel was camripped I thought security in japanese theatres was stronger.
Amagi
Yeah it's also screening in Germany, I will watch it in February, together with Heaven's Feel, Mutafukaz, Kimikoe and a few others.
Kaiser-Eoghan
*on Europa cinema
Kaiser-Eoghan
Nanoha new film to screen next February in the US, come in Europa license it for over here dammit....
Kaiser-Eoghan
Did have some down moments though.
Kaiser-Eoghan
And I guess contrasting Luke with his old self goes some way.
Kaiser-Eoghan
Saw the preview screening of the new star wars, still feel the new trilogy stands inbetween the originals and prequels, fufills its duty as a *** star blockbuster , some genuinely hilarious high camp moments, awful tokenism, Snoke is a shit villain, but two scenes with Luke actually have a pathos to them and I liked the chase/action scenes when they happened. Nobody cares about the acting/dialogue
AidanAK47
But there are times when it goes way too far and you can barely make out what is even supposed to be happening. Or characters go so off model that they are unrecognizable. It can be immersion breaking. Much like uncanny CGI.
AidanAK47
@Niel, I do agree that it's annoying to see people complain about animation when they clearly have no idea what they are talking about. Like those inbetween frame screenshot people. But I will say I appreciate on model characters more so than chaotic movement. When the off model stuff suits the tone of the scene like that blade runner part, then it's fine.
niel
I also don't want to see someone imply visual=animation for the hundredth time. Are people really that ignorant of the technical/artistic aspect of the media they consumed?
niel
It just depends on what works best in given scene and the aesthetic they want to go for. People can complain all they want about off-model stuff, but if they really only want that the they won't be getting nearly as much of those impactful scenes as there are now. So many of the ways people complain about it is really irking to me.
niel
normal/low action scenes is different from being on-model during the action sequences and just the ones that need some extra impact in general. https://youtu.be/rrZk9sSgRyQ?t=6m45s
niel
But that depends on the situation though. And I'd argue that being consistent and on-model during
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Vonter/Niello/Mario: Ideally I want it both ways, fluid animation AND consistent model visuals, all the while never sacrificing choreography.
SuperMario
But really, who am I to say. I'm the dude who prefer beautiful shot composition myself
SuperMario
The same can be said with Shinkai's movies since he always prefers static, beautiful shot that people tend to overlook that his animation is quite poorly handled
Vonter
You're right, but art direction does alleviate limited animation, I mean the old Berserk anime, kinda has a lot of slideshow moments. MahoYome has nice backgrounds, and despite the samey faces, at the very least doesn't come from the same mold as other series. Still cutting corners with chibi segments is was a mistake.
SuperWooper
Is it any wonder that people prefer things to be static/on-model? They want to see characters who look consistent and familiar so they can relate to them.
Nie
MahoYome being the biggest offender of people getting triggered to any kind of statement about the show's animation not being good. And it's absurd because the show's animation really isn't great at all. It's good with distracting people with pretty pictures, but animation-wise it's still mediocre.
Nie
@SuperMario: Not much. Just stuff like "Art is part of the animation weather it's beautiful backgrounds or just amazing looking characters. It's not all about how they move. If it was, CG would be considered great animation" multiple times. I've just been finding myself being replied with these kinds of comment non-stop since the start of the season.
SuperMario
@Niello: What happened exactly, if you don't me asking?
Nielllo
If I hear someone says AMB has good animation one more tie I might actually lose it. It's amazing how people who apparently know nothing about it try to defend this and other people who don't know anything are actually supporting the guy.
Niello
So with Fate Apocrypha episode 22 out, I'm just now learning that people think webgen style is horrible and they prefer static scenes with pretty visual over actual quality animation. WTF. I can't comprehend this. Are casual people who watch animation in general really that oblivious to the art they have been watching?
Lenlo
Berserks Dynasty Warriors style game looked better. Also, Mahoutsukai should be up tonight/tomorrow. Turns out, Christmas is a busy time of year at this job.
Amagi
*worse
Amagi
Especially when you consider how good CGI can be by now, look at Houseki or Kado. But Berserk was the worst thing I saw in years, many scenes felt worst than sequences of PSX games
Amagi
@SuperMario: Same. I love Kon and also consider Paprika's OST as the best. @Lenlo: Me too. I honestly even enjoyed the movies but the new series was atrocious
Lenlo
HIRASAWAAAA! HAAAAAI YOOOOO.
I miss the 90s Berserk.
Kaiser-Eoghan
I was also quite fond of his soundtracks for Berserk. AIIIIIYE FORCES : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NkYYYew8CUI
SuperMario
@Amagi: I'm a big fan of Kon so I've watched everything from his. Even bought a book about his works. About the soundtrack, I listened to them as well but not regularly, compare to pprika OST which I downloaded and listen to a lot
Kaiser-Eoghan
Although not completely a manga, Usagi yojimbo also has an anthro character.
Kaiser-Eoghan
Millennium actress is partially inspired by the actress Setsuko Hara.
Amagi
@Kaiser-Eoghan: The anthro-animal manga is even a topseller as far as I know. Haven't looked into it yet, though. Maybe I will do so.
Amagi
Speaking of it, I am still hoping Dream Machine will happen some day. Kon died believing it would happen
Amagi
@SuperMario: Have you tried the other Kon movies like Millennium Actress once? Thought they were really good and Hirasawa is responsible for the OST there too. Or Paranoia Agent which was (IMO) very good as well https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0nttSKBJ38k (OP)
Niello
Eoghan: Enjoy... ;)
Kaiser-Eoghan
While I haven't read this, its very strange to see a manga about full anthro animal characters: http://kissmanga.com/Manga/Beastars
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Vonter: So based on that I will try devil lady. Thanks.
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Vonter: That'd be me who made that post. I thought dororon enma-kun was wonderfully ridiculous and Devilman gorishly entertaining, Shin Mazinger Z was probably some of the most fun I had with an anime, but violence jack took it way too far though so I guess I'm aquainted with nagai's work
Vonter
I don't remember who was looking for something noir in anime. I was looking among several series from Go Nagai. And watched some Devil Lady. I don't remember if noir is exclusively detective stories, but this anime, has those high contrast shadows, eerie music and is shot like some japanese horror movies I've seen. I don't know if it changes along the road but so far it's very suspenseful.
SuperMario
I only know him through his works in Berserk and Paprika but his music never fails to amaze me
Anonymous1626471
@Amagi: Ghost Bridge is my favourite. I just find it very calming. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aeh5aJsxlbw
Amagi
Susumu Hirasawa is one of my favorite musicians/composers. I don't even know what kind of subgenre this is. There aren't any other music groups I know who do similar stuff
Nielllo
@Mario, Already saw that video before.
SuperMario
Check this out... I don't even know what the freaking instrument he's playing, but it's spellbound https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PjalQjAomH0
Niello
Just when I thought Houseki no Kuni took the prize for best animation I was treated with Apocrypha. This week is amazing.
Niello
Big name animators all over. They really threw everything they've got here.
Niello
Woooooah! OMG Apocrypha ep 22 animation is sick! So that's why the animation in the first half of the show is so lackluster and basically just darn awful.
Kaiser-Eoghan
Its not entirely odd to bring up Heydrich in relation to the occult either, apparently he was said to be part of some whackjob order.
Kaiser-Eoghan
Hmmm, that girl from Dies irae, Anna Schwegln is aptly named, also shares her name with the last executed person for witchcraft, who was Bavarian German, which i'm told by an Austrian friend were particular right-est leaning politically.
Kaiser-Eoghan
Of course unfortunately its often the opposite that happens, nothing is worse than an ending that ruins everything.
Kaiser-Eoghan
Ah, how I love being surprised by something. That feeling where you''re watching something shakily held together, simply okay or good, then suddenly in the second half or last stretch your score of it goes massively up.
Kaiser-Eoghan
I can kind of understand the wanting to go home and watch something easy mentality instead of challenging but even though I'm guilty of escapism, I'm tired somewhat of "sillier" stuff, its often enjoyable but its get overly reptitive and I wish I could find more philosophical/political/imaginative things.
Amagi
Yeah the show is great because of its theme, the setting and chemistry girls have as well as their (lack of) knowledge about basic human things. Each episode thematizes this in a different way but there isn't much you can talk or say about it when you already explained the topic in detail.
SuperMario
On the other hand, I don't have much to talk about Girls' Last Tour this week. It's still good, but with this episode I feel that I'm running out of concrete thig to say about the show
SuperMario
Haha both Houseki and 3-gatsu have a good showing this week. I have a lot of things to talk about Houseki in particular
Amagi
This week's Houseki is jurassic park
Amagi
*-ati - I think Netflix and so are at least giving a few new impulses which isn't too bad. I don't think the typical anime series will disappear because of that.
Amagi
At least in comparisation
Amagi
I think it's just sad how often I see wonderful series selling 500 BD/DVD or maybe even less. Most series don't sell more than 1500 or so and the rest is usually at ~3000-5000 which is still pretty low.
Amagi
Yeah, it's one of my pro-Netflix arguments as well. Another problem is that anime (not counting manga) only make money through dvd/bd sales since they air at night, whereas Netflix or daytime tv series don't depend on the latter so much and since anime BDs are so expensive the only ones who buy them are the more extreme fans.
AidanAK47
Might be in part due to the workaholic nature of their society that makes escapist fantasy and empty entertainment more appealing than usual. Ultimately these are the people anime is made for so opening up the markets gives more deserving shows a fighting chance.
Though that isn't to say that western taste is perfect either.
AidanAK47
@Amagi, That's part of the reason I think some westernation might be a good thing as from what I seen the Japanese have truly terrible taste in anime. Sales charts from Japan just make me shake my head.
Amagi
God, the preorder anime lists are atricious. The only one that seems to sell acceptable (around 6k) is Mahoyome. Series like Inuyashiki have 80 pre-orders so far, Shuumatsu Shoujo 977. Idol shows sell good of course, including that male/bishounen Idolmaster
AidanAK47
@Anon, I read it but kinda fell out due to it's releases being slow.
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Anon: Actually if you check the manga recommendations section, you'll see there is a post about it here.
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Anon: Yes, it was interesting to follow a story that dealt with a characters homosexuallity that was outside of the yaoi/yuri mould.
Anonymous1620968
Out of curiosity, has anyone on here read Shimanami Tasogare?
Niello
Where are we up to with Inuyashiki?
Lenlo
Well alright then. Episode 9 out of 11 and that happens. Was not expecting that
Lenlo
Ooo something happen this week? Im about to watch it
Kaiser-Eoghan
It feels just as rushed and awkward in the manga.
Amagi
I noticed this too
AidanAK47
Inuyashiki has balls of steel to pull that in this particular episode number.
Nielllo
Finally got around to reading Helck, and it looks like it's going to go into that pile of good-shounen-that-won't-ever-get-animated right alongside Psyren.
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Aidan: Imagine trying to buy the dvds of the show in public.
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Aidan: Gentle remind that the prism ilya movie is out and subbed.
AidanAK47
Still surprised the second and third seasons got dubbed.
AidanAK47
@Angel, I replied to one of your comments before but the rundown is no official word yet but maybe next year.
Angel
Or no? Someone please tell me!!
Angel
Going to happen?
Angel
Is fate/kaleid liner prisma☆illya 3rei dub
Amagi
I dislike it when manga bait me into reading due to the first chapter and end up being some very generic stuff afterwards. Nobody stays for B if he started something for A, authours should expect that.
Lenlo
Really, Juuni should stick with the 3D. That fight in ep 9 looked pretty good. 3D is clearly what they are good at
AidanAK47
@Niello, It's not Chatango. It's a plugin for wordpress called Wisechat.
SuperMario
@Niello: yeah, Juuni caught me off guard this week. The production of Juuni is unfortunately shaky, but well, strong writing can save the day
Niello
Btw is this chat still Chatango?
Niello
This week episode of Juini is surprisingly good compared to how the show usually is with its backstory. Although the part where Ox tries to explain to Tiger could definitely use some visual buff.
SuperWooper
in the future*
SuperWooper
Pretty cool that Juuni Taisen had that kind of emotional heft this week, though. Might be one of the 2017 shows I sample the in the future.
SuperWooper
I think the occasional comments with an episode title and nothing more come from people who mistake the shoutbox for a search bar.
SuperMario
@Anon1614688: juuni taisen... made me tearing up this week. Honestly didn't expect that. Damn you, Tiger
Anonymous1614688
juuni taisen
Amagi
Had some complaints regarding Children of Whales but the latest two episodes were pretty good.
Amagi
@Anon: You explained it better than me.
Anonymous1614307
Kaiser: I actually have the exact same opinion of Natsume and Mushishi. Both are excellent, but Natsume just does a great job with a small core cast and a very simple premise
Anonymous1614456
who likes naruto
Kaiser-Eoghan
Mushishi does have good stories, but it was always a manga I'd dip in and out of, on and off for years, never marathoning it, wheras Natsume was easier to read several chapters of in one go.
Kaiser-Eoghan
I think its because Natsume has more pathos.
Kaiser-Eoghan
*more than
Natsume weirdly ended up becoming this comfort manga for me with a higher consistency rate .
Kaiser-Eoghan
I will state that I hold the terrible opinion that I like Natsume Yujinchou than Mushishi but at the same time completely recognize that Mushishi is probably the more ambitious, better show.
Niello
So it becomes a cycle of "this is an interesting set up" (except that the new Kino isn't even good at that) and then they fucked up or Kino/Shizu fucked them up even more, then move on. Without the emphasis on philosophical nature of the set up they present like in the original Kino, there really isn't that much point to it.
Niello
With the new Kino it's more about messing people up, occassionally observing and hardly ever improving. The anwsers or solutions to the problem they present is never really talked about in a rational way.
SuperMario
@Anon1614318: maybe you should give the old Kino a try. What I don't like most about the new version of Kino is that both Kino and the new guy are sketched as hero. The old Kino manages the tone right as well. There were some really dark tales and most of them thought-provoking. Can't say the same for say...Country of Cooking
Anonymous1614318
I don't know, it might be interesting to actually dig deep into the differences between episodic series with this kind of style to see what works and what doesn't.
Anonymous1614318
I guess it's a matter of the chapter they chose to adapt were not really the better ones but the ones where the protagonist is more of an active role. Not totally against that, but it feels like the protagonist is just OP all the time. At least with Mushishi Ginko isn't able to save everyone all the time.
Anonymous1614318
I guess it's supposed to be more allegorical, but most of the time the allegory is not really meaningful enough. I thought it would be more along the lines of Mushishi, which is kind of similar in setup, but better in most other ways.
Anonymous1614318
What keeps me sticking around are some of the nice background arts and generally pleasant use of color, but admittedly most of the episodes aren't really engaging in a meaningful way. Most of the time its just Kino/Shizu show up, find out town's gimmick, then save the day. I prefer the episodes where the townspeople are more than just flat background characters.
Anonymous1614318
It's interesting to see how this new Kino season is being received from folks who've already watched the original. This is my first real exposure to Kino, and I kind of like it, but even without watching the original, I share many of the same complaints Aidan and most of the others have.
Amagi
I am also kinda sad he's just some 2* servant in fgo, but his power is special and he's physically weak, so it's understandable.
Amagi
And again, Shakespeare is just great but the character is, sadly, kinda wasted here considering how much screentime he has.
Amagi
@Aidan: Yes. Plus, maybe more characterization or background for some servants. The anime would have that time without Sieg and his romance sub plot.
AidanAK47
@Amagi, Those being remove Sieg and more Shakespeare?
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