Posted by psgels on 21 November 2012 with categories: Anime Reviews, Eureka Seven Ao



The original Eureka Seven is a classic. If you like teenagers and mecha, then by all means give it a chance: it has a very rocky start, but has so many defining moments. And so, six years after its end, Bones came with a sequel. It’s quite an interesting series: you really need to have seen the first series in order to enjoy it, yet it is nothing like its predecessor.

The series takes some of the core concepts of Eureka Seven, it takes its defintion of Trappar and Corallian, it grabs the son of the two lead characters of Eureka Seven, puts him into a completely different location and even time, and just goes with it, trying to explain what the hell is going on as it goes along. Where Eureka Seven focused on showing children’s naivety, this series instead turns this around by forcing children in the center of conflict, while emphasizing that they do not belong there in the slightest. With these themes, it tells a story that with one crazy amount of plot twists.

After a bit of a warm-up period, this show just delivers plot twist after plot twist after plot twist. It’s a really good mystery series, with a lot of interesting ideas and twists that come from out of nowhere and give completely different turns to what the plot was before. This obviously has its advantages and disadvantages.

I mean, back with Un-Go, that was a series that had perfect control of its fast pacing. Ao does not, and there are quite a few plotholes. On the other hand though, there are plenty of moments that might seem ludicrous, only to make sense when you start thinking about it. A lot of the plot twists aren’t explicitly explained, or require the viewer to constantly pay attention to what’s going on: this is one series that does not plan to hold the hands of its viewers, and you definitely cannot watch it when you’re tired, otherwise you’ll miss stuff.

Anyway, I have seen plenty of people turned off by the plotholes, but I personally loved what this series tried to do. It’s all about the suspense of disbelief for this series, and let me tell you: if this suspense of disbelief holds, then there is a lot to like about this show. Helping are the characters, who may not be as good as the cast of Eureka Seven, but still are very likable, diverse and entertaining, and this show is also full of unexpected character-development.

What I really encountered here that this show does like none other, is how it treats the old characters of the first series. Out of all the sequels I have seen that focus on different characters than the first, this is BY FAR the best use of the old cast. They are used at the exact right moment, and this show pays homage to them, yet also shows their flaws, it shows who they turned into after the end of the series, and it gives them their own storylines that are more than just “let us old guys just watch over you new guys”. It’s fanservice, but I appreciated it so much.

This is a very ambitious series. You can also see this though the production values, which were some of the most consistent of the year for an action series, containing a lot of fluid and fast-paced action scenes and a really good soundtrack. The plot twists and characters on top of that made it a really fun and entertaining series for me, although this ambition does have its prices to pay with the rushed plot that is easy to get bored with.

Storytelling: 9/10 – Love the ambition of this series of delivering as many plot twists as possible that attempt to weave a whole storyline together. Great mystery, though the rushed pacing and plotholes will be a turn-off for some.
Characters: 8.5/10 – Briliant use of the old Eureka Seven cast, Enjoyable and gripping cast of both main and side characters, although the cast is too big for every character to really show his/her best.
Production-Values: 9/10 – Great production values, excellent soundtrack, really fluid animation at times.
Setting: 8.5/10 – Takes the setting of Eureka Seven, expands upon it, turns it into something completely different and completely changes what it stands for. Might be hard to swallow for fans of the first series hoping for the same.

Suggestions:
Darker than Black – Ryuusei no Gemini
Un-Go
Noein

31 Responses

  1. tetsuo says:

    Thx for the review!

  2. TheUltimateReaper says:

    Everything considered the score is fair. I’m still a bit upset with the overall story of the Eureka Seven universe, but its not like I have a choice, and this will have to do. At least they managed to create a living kid. Though we will never know how their bloodline goes about surviving, and their are many unanswered questions about everyone futures. I don’t give points for ambition, creativity, or any of the sort. It’s always been about the story. I especially like Ao takes place in what would have been our world. I can’t say much more. It was a fun ride. Still a bit depressed, but I guess it’s good enough.

  3. Bernared says:

    Nice review! Thanks for the good work and keep doing it!

  4. Raye Peneber says:

    I enjoyed this series, but still prefer the original. 8.75 is a fair score, I’d probably give the original series a 9.25.

    With that being said, I got a bit lost in some time travel plot points, but thought the treatment of old returning characters was spot on.

    Production values were top notch, and the soundtrack was even better BONES always kills it!

  5. Souther says:

    No, I’m afraid I can’t agree with this review or with this score at all. But I imagine you already knew that, given my previous comments.

    Like I’ve already suggested, I could have liked AO more if it really had nothing to do with Eureka 7. The show wouldn’t be much better, but at least I wouldn’t feel so disappointed. That’s what hurts.

    The connections between this series and the original show retroactively created plot holes and harmed the ending of the initial adventure, for little or no real gain. That’s a terrible thing.

    I also cannot agree with the idea that the show did anything “good” with the old cast of characters, particularly Eureka and Renton. While it wasn’t necessary to have them appear all the time, now that the full picture has been revealed it’s obvious they existed to serve the needs of the plot, not vice versa. You claim they were given their own storylines, but that’s giving AO way too much credit.

    They aren’t even a case of true fanservice, nope, but rather of fan disservice. If anything, the new plot holes and twists involved hurt the way their original story concluded, which in turn makes their character behavior seem a bit weird and questionable during the last arc, to say nothing else. I cannot understand why you would find that praiseworthy, but there’s no point in carrying this topic any further.

  6. saosucks says:

    I think Psgel likes to praise shows that are criticized elsewhere by “mainstream” anime fans. For example, I still remember, and still can’t understand, that you gave Crystal Blaze a 89/100???!!!!!

  7. someloser says:

    wait did anyone other than eureka and renton return from the old storyline?

    other than that, still think this is a bit too high for a rating. Plot twists are nice, but when you shove 20 twists into the final two episodes, the entire storyline changes and kills the meaning within the first 22 episodes, which by then don’t even serve as twists anymore. Now what you have is an entire new story that contradicts both the original series and the 22 episodes that precede it. “Woven” would be too kind, as it’s more as if the “twists” were stabbed into the fabric the Eureka universe, creating plotholes everywhere… (wow that was a really screwed up metaphor) In the end, what we are left is a trainwreck that could have used a bit more episodes to make stuff clear.

    this is really reminding me of your review blood-c, especially with the emphasis on “suspense of disbelief.” kubo goes about suspending his readers in disbelief by pulling asspull after asspull, but can you call that good writing?

    • Juno says:

      I’m not sure what you mean by that ending paragraph, but “suspense of disbelief” means that anything that usually would stand out as hard to believe has been covered well with other things to make it more believable. In all the literature classes I’ve taken, “suspense of disbelief” is a major goal for good writers.

      • someloser says:

        thanks for clearing up the term, i simply thought of it as something hard to believe. However, if that what suspense of disbelief is then how exactly am i supposed to believe this ending when it’s barely been covered well enough? On one hand the ending solved a few mysteries while introducing a good amount of plotholes that weren’t covered in the rest of the episodes. am i seriously going to consider this as suspense of disbelief? Second, is suspense of disbelief actually truly worth it if it ends up shifting the entire storyline in a completely different direction?

  8. NDenizen says:

    I thought it was really underwhelming, to be honest.

    For the bulk of the story: if they wanted to go with their own story, they should have detached from as many elements as the original if possible and limited themselves less. Most of the plot felt frankly wasted and empty – non of themes were portrayed eloquently or well enough, and whatever they were, there was no resolution to them in the end. The characters were never given room to become their own entities (something Eureka Seven had lots of room to do, hence why it was so good at this), AO himself never really took up the reigns as the eyes of the world like Renton did.

    And as a sequel, it was not obligated to be a copy of the original. However, it was obligated to not CONTRADICT the major themes, both storywise and symbolic, that it did. This show’s ending basically came out and said “Eureka and Renton’s love will lead to only tragedy and there is NOTHING they can do about it”, which is really, seriously shitty in itself but also in context of the E7 universe. And as you said, plotholes galore. The truth is none of the tragedy had to be there to deliver resolution the messages it did, and yet it was done anyway. It just seemed like Masturbatory 2deep4me Anno/Tomino-esque bullshit for no reason.

    The series itself was a mess – the direction of the show we know was completely changed midstream and it really shows. Kind of like Xam’d it had no fucking idea what it was doing, never knew this, and never tried to redeem itself. An absolutely disgusting sundering of what was originally such an optimistic and well done series, I hate it.

    • Aetherial says:

      Honestly, I think the show might’ve been able to salvage itself if it were only longer. Another 6-7 episodes that could have been spent on fleshing out the characters would’ve been nice. And then maybe another 3-4 episodes to really clear up all the plot details, instead of just hammering in a dozen different plot points into a single episode.

      Overall, Ao could never hope to do what the original E7 did, simply because it strays too far from the strong points of the original series (which was, IMO, the relationships between all the members of the main cast).

      Even so, Ao could still have been a much better series than it turned out to be. It just feels rushed and very badly paced.

    • Troyen says:

      I’m not even entirely sure what they were doing at the end. Over the course of the show, the main characters went on quite the schizophrenic enemy tour: they started off fighting secrets, then Truth, then scub, then the Allied Forces, then secrets, then Truth again, then scub, then Renton (???), then finally secrets and scub? We don’t know if they were even successful because it looked like trapar still existed in 2027.

  9. Kamen Grinder says:

    You really have no idea what good storytelling is, do you? And no, avoiding the harem or incest themes is not enough to be called good writing.

  10. Ebisu says:

    A fair review. Personally I have no problems with the plotholes, more with the loose ends. I’d love to see a continuation or a sequel to this Eureka Seven AO. It has been done differently to Eureka Seven but with its own charm, though I’ll still think it’s a shame the story was forced to end at this point. It deserved more time!

  11. Hogart says:

    Wow, now I’ve really got to watch Ao. It’s been a while since I saw people this angry about a sequel to a show that’s frankly not as fantastic as people give it credit for. It’s Darker than Black all over again.

  12. drebner says:

    87.5/100 for Eureka Seven AO?
    Nope.

  13. jzar says:

    I wanted this to be so much better. It wasn’t bad but the story telling was far too involved to be told within the anime. Sometimes simple is best and I felt they made the story far too complicated to enjoy and understand.

    I found myself getting into it and then just left behind in the latter episodes since with every change of the world timeline the characters would be different but not different enough to really understand how those characters had changed.

    Nara, the love interest / childhood friend was never used in a major way yet she had lots of screen time to do so. She could have done a lot to explain the story, instead of ending up being one of the most confusing characters in it. In the early episodes She was a major focus yet all that build up was then just tossed aside and never really used in the story to make use of her build up.

    I loved having Renton and Eureka return, that was very good and helped tie together the various world timelines. Yet the underlying world and each of the world timeline changes were not clear enough to let me understand the changes and ended up getting in the way of me enjoying the story.

    Ambitious and it had some great story moments but in the end it fell short of knowing what story it was trying to tell. The pacing for the whole show was way off. It felt like they crammed 6 episodes into the last two. Major fail for that.

    It would have worked just fine for a light novel but didn’t work as a 24 episode anime. A+ for ideas and creativity, C- for story. Nowhere close to the original in terms of story telling and likeable characters that you cared about.

  14. TheMightyJojo says:

    Ambitious? definitely. That much is obvious. I don’t think it deserves such a high score just because it was ambitious though. The way the show tried to execute its ideas were very hit and miss. I can’t really applaud the way it wasted so much of its time on build-up either.

  15. Crow says:

    I must say this is a horrible anime. Even forgoing any connection to Eureka Seven it was bad. Complete ditch of the original concepts and reworking them; trapar, cities, technology, and the absolute disregard of explaining it’s connection to EU. Half why through the anime and I wondered how there was a 1940 time line. Not to mention only kid pilots really? What about All of GekkoState or Sumner Sturgeon and Ruri or was that just an excuse to put in all girl pilots for Ao to hang around with? This was trying too much to be stereotypical that it failed to even be like those other mediocre mecha animes.

  16. Iknow says:

    Eureka Seven AO doesn’t exist. Nor does this review….i refuse to live in a world where Eureka Seven AO exists…ohhhhhh

  17. gurdlo says:

    How can you consider this fan service, when only two characters from the original show up? This stopped being fanservice the moment where the Gekko-Go got scuttled.

  18. saj_nabeshin says:

    This is another Gundam Seed Destiny.
    The original follows the old mobile suit gundam narrative format, and this sequel tries to take off in its own direction, only to crash and burn.

  19. sc_1128 says:

    disclaimer: I just finished AO recently and the reason why this comment is soooo long is one thing, I’m just so pissed off. But I hope you read enough to see why.

    I still believe it’s not a whole disappointment. Here is my assessment of a 7/10 series (No, I don’t agree with a 87.5) Let’s start out by giving these series a perfect score, 10/10 then nitpick or praise it along the way.

    (1) In my opinion, the last two episodes should’ve been a whole season! Plotholes are relatively easy to deal with–JUST GIVE YOUR CHARACTERS SOME SPACE FOR GROWTH UNTIL THEY’RE STRONG ENOUGH TO HANDLE THEM. Which FMA Alchemist was able to do and which Xam’d and AO did not. How? As much I hate lengthy animes, the essence of a trainwreck is simple, TRAIN TOO FAST, RAIL TOO SHORT [Guilty Crown, everyone.]

    -8 points. = 2/10

    (2) Though I’m a sucker for happy endings, I found the original E7 series ending to be a disaster. Too bubbly, too sugary–I mean, hearts on the Moon!!!!??? and to have gained something so valuable without paying a particular price is just wrong. THERE SHOULD BE AN EXPLANATION FOR THAT ENDING. IT’S TOO GOOD TO BE TRUE. Don’t get me wrong. Renton and Eureka deserve that ending.

    +8 points. This is a necessary evil. Otherwise, go read a bedtime story instead. = 10/10

    (3) The harsh reality of the setting which E7 was found cannot allow that to happen. I get what BONES wanted to tell us. It’s Ao who gets to pay the price–that was his destiny.

    +5 points. Necessary evil, also. It’s the best option to take to solve the problem E7’s oiginal ending faced. = 15/10

    So much for praises.

    (4) Now here’s the greatest nitpick to the AO series: they toyed with the characters. Naru, Fleur, Elena, even the older guys, like Ivica and Gazelle’s gang–they’re all beautiful characters wasted. Good backgrounds, bad decisions. The writer of this series DIDN’T KNOW HIS CHARACTERS WELL. Guys, despite making hard decisions, Renton is a VERY EMOTIONAL GUY. I figured when he’d see Eureka in a hologram form that would’ve been MORE than enough to bring him to his knees, or at least show some bit of despair. I mean, your wife, the one you’d fought the whole universe against just to win her is standing there a hologram, and your son fighting desperately to save her. Tsk. There are some things maturity cannot erase. Thus they screwed with one of my favorite characters of all time.

    -12 points. A plot can either be simple or complex. But it’s irrelevant. Great characters make great stories. Even if plotholes abound, when you find characters that you adore, respect, cherish, hate, mourn for and made you smile, you wouldn’t even notice the plotholes anymore. Let’s face it. Real life HAS a lot of plotholes, but the people around us is what makes the difference. Seriously, that’s the essence of E7. No one is alone. And, well, BONES screwed up this one badly. Renton’s destiny was to win Eureka’s heart and save her against all odds and everything that occurred over the original series did just that, to prepare him, to challenge him, to hinder him even, just so he could grow up to be what he should be. I pity Ao. He didn’t get the chance to truly grow like his father did–with the love, hate, and bonds others had for him. Fleur, Naru, Ivica, heck–they did nothing for Ao. But all is not lost. = 3/10

    (5) “See you later…” Truth. Take note, from the original series, the Nirvash had always been an enigma. Sure, he was an LFO found in the scub. But what is he, really? If they made the plot in such a way that Truth is actually the Nirvash per se, then it makes sense. It’s gonna be tough and I doubt BONES could pull off such a feat.

    +2 pts. Promising but not very reassuring. 5/10

    (6) TWO, Fleur’s Thurd Engine. It glowed purple, didn’t it? They’d better damn sure give Fleur and Ao a chance, especially since they’d had the guts to etch the Moon with a heart. Don’t screw with me. You want it sugary, right? Deal with it, BONES. GIVE ME A SUGARY ENDING THAT HAS SATISFIED THE SACRIFICE-PRINCIPLE ALSO. THE QUESTION LIMITATION HAS FINALLY BEEN DEALT WITH. NOW FIX THIS.

    +3. Very promising. But with fingers crossed. = 8/10

    Finally, (7) Naru. WHO IS SHE? WHAT IS HER PURPOSE? It’s a given rule among otakus and anime-lovers all around the world, THE GIRL FROM THE BEGINNING GETS TO DO SOMETHING BIG. No sidelines. Go ahead, let her die, just don’t be too cruel to the point of making a series that put her there but would’ve been better off without her [which BONES already did with AO].

    -1. Sadly, Naru didn’t really matter. She didn’t matter at all that all I could give this series for her defense was a pricky minus one point. This is just wrong.

    OVERALL: 7/10

    Bad enough to give you sleepless nights but good enough to ask you for a continuing season to redeem itself with.

    All is not lost. If only the writer would go beyond the Great Wall and finally find what he’s looking for because seriously he’s one lost dude. And so save us from this wretched season of E7.

    Forgive me, people. I love Renton and Eureka. I love them so much their mere presence alone made me give this trainwreck a 7/10. But likewise it also pains me to have watched it end like this.

    No. It can’t end like this.

    That’s the reason for this lengthy commentary. I hope people would put pressure into forcing them to push through with a third season. To fix all this. If it still fails, only then will I be able to pick up a Quartz Gun and blast this wretched series to kingdom come.

    Ao, our beloved Eureka and Renton’s only son deserves a better ending, not to mention a better journey to make than this crap. So does the rest of the characters. I hope BONES should finish what they’ve started. I’m a big fan of most of their works. And a hater of some. I’m not particularly hopeful, but hopeful nonetheless. I just wanna see hearts etched on Moons and beautiful girls with butterfly wings again, so badly I wrote one heck of a commentary!

    Oh when will the day come when Ao would say,

    “DON’T BEG. EARN IT. AND IT WILL BE YOURS.”

    #fingerscrossed >_<

  20. fanfan says:

    I recently watched Eureka 7, the entire series again because I loved it so much and decided to see if they finally had a sequel. To my surprise it did and I was excited. Well I watched it and it SUCKED!!!!!! I HATE IT!

    I wanted so bad to see Ao’s brothers and sisters(Renton’s and Eureka’s other kids) I wanted to see Holland’s kid and know what all of them were too and how they would work together to help what the parents started.

    This went soooo far from the original plot that it can not be called a sequel! Watching I asked my self what does this have to do with Eureka 7, where is everyone, and why can’t Ao talk to Nirvash?

    All this stupid show said that Renton and Eureka’s love was doomed =( SOMETHING i WILL NEVER EVER BELIEVE!!!!

    Oh when will the day come when Ao would say,

    “DON’T BEG FOR IT,DO IT YOURSELF OR ELSE YOU WON’T GET ANYTHING”

  21. ferrerez66 says:

    I watched both series. I like what they did. They took a perfect ending (E7), and showed the imperfection and how badly Renton screwed up when he saved Eureka. This being with the secrets killing the scubs for traveling through to other time periods/universes.

    When Renton saw Eureka in her hologram form, he seemed to have already knew she’d be like that, and probably broke down before hand. He tried to kill Eureka and the scubs because only the scubs (including Eureka) would be erased, in order for his son to be protected. But Ao risked losing his entire existence in order to save his Mom & Dad.

    My main problem (although very dark, which is fitting with Ao) was that Ao’s sister died due to Trapar not allowing human and scub DNA to mix. But Anemone had Human and scub DNA mixed in her forcefully and Artificially, whilst Ao and sister had it happen Naturally. Man-made lives while nature made dies. seriously, WTF.

    Although I’d like another season or 2 to better explain the ending, I am still (for the most part) satisfied with the fact that I GOT a sequel, instead of complaining that it wasn’t what i wanted, even with the ending (pointing fingers at the ones who do, if thats not you, i apologize).

    I’d give it a 9/10 for the fact that I liked it that much.

  22. Inkimetronic says:

    This anime relinquishes some of its own logic by the end by making Eureka stranded like Renton’s dad. It fails at the end but the failure happens to the Rush I would prefer seeing Ao’s older sister in a new series because now that timelines are rerouted and quartz phenomenon might actually be replicated thus the series philosophy might need work unlike the first Eureka 7 I think I need Ameneme legacy on and about too :)

  23. jay says:

    This makes no sence this takes place 1000 years in the past the original series took place in year 3000 so 2025 makes no sence.

  24. Freddy says:

    In my opinion i would have to say AO fails. i cannot in good conscious agree to giving it an 8.7/10 this falls more into 5.5, 6 at the most out of 10. A continuation is fine i got no problem with it. but the concept of time being messed around with was a bad gamble. Ao and the other characters didn’t really get a chance to grow like the original cast did. it was all very rushed and fast paced compared to the original. not many things were explained. if i had to direct it i would completely remove the concept of time travel and started exactly where the original left off. carefully plan for most of the original cast to make appearances before Ao. it’s obvious who ended with who in the original so it would’ve been a good selling point for Ao to have a drive to surpass Renton.

    I suppose two ways to do it would be Renton and Eureka trying to make a co-exitence happen between coralians and humans and somewhere along with the pregnancy of Ao more and more Humanoid Coralians are appearing but the process of overcoming fear and hate between the races is still rough at best. Ao would be one of the first of 2 who are part human and part coralian. obviously Dominique and Anemone would have their family with similar backgrounds to Ao. As for the secrets involvement. well even if i did agree to use them i think it would be too similar to Gurren Lagan’s battle with the anti-spirals.

    Naru and Truth would be an interesting pair of antagonists but as we saw it had a falling in a lot of ways. in the concept of keeping romance a factor like wit the original i believe Ao going through his young teenage life could be a little more complicated compared to renton just to keep fans and pairing wars flamed and see how ans react at possible canon pairings in which i case i say between fleur, naru, and a daughter of Anemone and Dominique so Ao can have his own personal as well as humourous trouble with girls.

    Mechs. A copy of Nirvash but still treating it like it’s the original is a no go in my book especially since the original became an enemy which is a no go since if i recall Nirvash became the new core cluster. but i can accept the idea of new arche types appearing with abilities that can at least surpass the original and at least give them new names so it wouldn’t feel like Ao is trying to hard to ride a mech similar and equal to the original nirvash. one idea is that the arche types have decided to have animal based modes along with their human modes as a way to represent the gap between humans and coralians still having trouble finding a coexistence. and i guess if it’s up for a debate Ao’s mech can eventual combine with a animal archeytpe that has no faith in the coexistence of humans and coralians so Ao at about episode twenty gets 2 partner mechs. but that’s a maybe.

    Returning cast. this would be a great selling point. see how old characters/heroes have lived their lives. Renton could be something of an enigma since his job to maintain the peace keeps him busy along with eureka but i think her making a full time appearance can be doable at about episode 16 or 17 and that’s where after an absence she reveals to Ao that she expecting another child to give Ao a push into growing since the sister thing can a usuable part of the plot for Ao’s growth. on the subject of siblings. the three kids who obviously grown up by this point have their lives except i think Mater being Ao’s big sister spends her time taking care of Ao while handline her own part time job while Renton and Eureka work for long periods of time while the other two boys have started their own air lifting team that goes around the world competing in competitons. yall see where i am going with this anyway so i’ll stop here.

    Renton. Ao fighting Renton would been more interesting point if the the AO season had more episodes and the plot and story were’t so…confusing, rushed, and contradicting.

    anyway i can continue on like this all night with a 30 page essay on it but i think i have made my point on the subject. AO was a failed project that was too rushed and had too many plot holes.

  25. nurasenagn says:

    Personally I enjoyed this sequel despite the many potholes, but I do want to agree with some other comments about only involving Renten and Eureka in the sequel. I think if there was an integration of some of the old main characters from Eureka Seven, the story might have been more thrilling to watch with their partnership with the other Ao characters, this would’ve also helped with the potholes of Ao’s sudden character growth mid-episode.

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Yeah. I feel the world swap is pretty much pointless when real life isn't relevant anymore. It's just a stupid as hell excuse to combine fantasy wish fullfilment with self-inserts, which is why these main characters tend to be 29 by now, just like the big part of the otaku community.
Lenlo
Of those you listed, no, I dont think they get explained? I mean, SAO did, but I dont think that falls into your category.

Thats why I liked .hack//sign over alot of more modern game Isekai. Also .hack//sign did explain what happened to Tsukasa.
Amagi
Considering how bad most of these are I wouldn't wonder if they wouldn't even bother with an explanation and just end it with the characters being happy in that game world and that's it. Or magic and the whole harem gets transported into reality at the end because power of love and such.
Amagi
I have no problem with a sci-fi fantasy mix, I liked .hack//sign for example, but it annoys me that such an incredibly bizarre situation gets never explained. Or maybe it will but it never happened so far because none of these LNs was ever finished and concluded yet. I just wish to know how they explain that.
Amagi
I mean all those shows in which the character just finds himself stuck in a real world that's (coincidentally?) the same as the game he recently played. Be it Overlord, Death March, Log Horizon or the 300 other series with that premise.
Amagi
Some thing that always bothered me about game isekai for which I never got an answer so far: did any of those series ever end and/or explain how the warp has happened and why the MC is in the game? - Not talking about .hack, SAO and such where the action of getting trapped is part of the premise
Niel
@Eoghan - Btw, Kokkoku isn't a time travel. it's stasis, apparently. Looks very promising so far. Though if I am to trust the manga score, it's shit.
Niel
But is Toradora really slice of life? As far as I can see it's straight up romance.
Lenlo
And Mario, ill rag on SOL all I want! :P

Wooper, its true good shows transcend genre, as there are still some like Toradora I like, but those are exceptions that prove the rule so to speak.
Lenlo
@Niel, yeah I base my potential % on the odds something gets/stays good.
AidanAK47
I am of similar mindset about Franxx. I want it to get better but I don't really see it doing so. Unless the other characters get a majority personality boost or the MC stops being a plank.
Niel
XD
Kaiser-Eoghan
I confess....I only sat through just over half an episode of aldonoah.
Niel
Since it's Trigger, I will give the benefit of the doubt. I'm just very skeptical about this whole formula.
Niel
The way I can see this series improving is through world building. And if other aspects are going to improve too, it's going to revolve around that.
Niel
It leaves about as much impression on me as much as the first episode of Aldnoah did, and I dropped that one straight away. The character chemistry doesn't look like it will go places that's not cliche. The gimmick doesn't seem like it has much potential either.
Niel
So you're all betting it on "this is going to get better". I mean, I hope it gets better. Though right now this feels more Kiznaiver than Kill la Kill or LWA.
Kaiser-Eoghan
I'd nominate Mario to do the devilman review as he's the most immediate Yuasa fan to do it and Bam is too awol to write it.
Kaiser-Eoghan
The cute girl shows just bleed and blend in my mind now, same with the isekai shows.
Kaiser-Eoghan
Devilman, my show of the season, unless after the rain ends up having some emotional wallop.
Kaiser-Eoghan
So for me its looking like: Junji itou, Cardcaptor sakura, keeping up with sangatsu, wait and see on amegari . Not watching a time travel or trigger show and I remain unable to sit through Mahoutsukai .
Amagi
The story itself is generic so far but so are most Trigger series at the beginning so not sure. Maybe it will stay weak, but in general I prefer series that start with the weaker episodes and get better and better over time over the many series that use up all of their budget and trump cards in the first episode and drag on after that.
Amagi
I really love Trigger's esthetics and their characters. I am happy they're more often involved in non-trigger-only productions because I honestly think that most of the stuff I enjoyed about FranXX was heavily influenced by them.
SuperMario
@Nielo: Franxx's first ep was stellar for me. Storywise, it's lackluster (and I see the similar in tropes between this and Beatless) but production-wise it's excellent
SuperMario
I think I just keep watching it on a weekly basis. Still trippy as hell
SuperMario
Okay, I just watched second episode of Devilman Crybaby and it's still pretty good.
Nielo
By the way, what's up with Darling in the Franxx? I thought it's a very weak first episode.
Nielo
@Lenlo: Slice of life isn't my thing either, and I usually avoid series set in high school.
Nielo
@SuperMario: Takagi-san is cute, I'll admit that, but since I already read the manga it's not new to me. Sora Yori is good, but it's not particularly cute. I found Hakumei to Mikochi and Yuru Camp very boring. Haven't got the chance to watch Mitsuboshi Colors or Gakuen Babysisters but I don't think they could be more cute than Mii-kun.
SuperWooper
HOT TAKE: Genre is irrelevant. What matters is whether a show is good.
SuperMario
Don't knock off MY genre Lenlo. It's one of the reason I got into anime in the first place :)
Lenlo
Im not saying it doesn't do what it sets out to. I just don't think what it sets out to do is all that... great.
Lenlo
@Niello, Slice of Life was never my Genre in the first place :/ I typically avoid them. I have my own life to deal with and already graduated high school, why would I want to deal with a melodramatic anime highschool, is my line of thought.
SuperMario
@Niello: okay, let's see:Takagi-san (the titular character), Mitsuboshi Colors, Gakuen Babysisters (Toddlers!!), Hakumei to Milochi (tiny girls) and two more slightly more mature but equally cute: Sora Yori and Yuru Camp's casts
Nielllo
@SuperMario: I'm sure this is where our definition of "cute" parts way, but I'll ask anyway, what are those 5 shows?
SuperMario
@Niello: seems so because I can eaisily pick 5 more shows that are cuter, and better than Mummy this season ;)
Nielllo
...So I suppose I'm the only one who's kinda bored out by a lot of the slice of life shows that's trying to be cute this season and only perked up by the Mummy anime because it's actually do what it's meant to do and be legit cute.
Lenlo
I am interested in Koi, but still have concern about the relationship itself.

@Vonter, the mummy anime would be better as short vignettes together I feel.
Kaiser-Eoghan
Koi amegari is surprisingly tasteful, subdued and pretty.
Kaiser-Eoghan
*to where
Kaiser-Eoghan
Try as I might, my love of kyoani tv anime has largely evaporated did where I no longer want to bother at this stage, I'll just wait and see. I'll just stay quiet on the franxx anime, theres little value in me trying to get through a trigger work at this point.
SuperMario
I get the exact same feeling with Takagi-san. It's pretty good on what it does but 20 minutes of the same thing for a whole season doesn't sound that promising
Vonter
The chibi mummy anime
Vonter
It's a shame it isn't a shorter 10 or 5 minute series, I think that format would make it shine more, since it does what it's trying to do.
Amagi
Speaking of it, I liked the second episode of Kokkuko or whatever the name is even more than the first one.
Amagi
I really have a problem with all these shows that rely on one single thing, joke, shenanigan or whatever. Be it something cute, some certain kind of interactiong or whatever. It doesn't matter how good it is it will bore me with episode 2.
Lenlo
Like, yeah, the mummy was cute. But the cute became rote/bland really quick. There has to be more than "cute" to be worth watching for more than a single episode to me.
Lenlo
@Niello, I was harsh because its not aimed at me. I wanted to drop it 5 minutes in, kept up for the post, then was thankful it was over. There wasnt anything overtly bad about it. Its just there was nothing good either.
AidanAK47
To be fair it's not as if we are lacking cute in this season.
In fact it's in danger of inflation.
SuperMario
@Niello: yes, the mummy is cute, the show is cute but beside that it's pretty mediocre. That show in particular is the only show that I have the damnest time to give it a potential rating.
Niello
It's not even down because of legal reasons, since the site pull down contents that are lincensed. It's down cause it's too much for the site owner to manage. Much of it also have to do with too many bots, which comes back to how a lot of other sites are relying on batoto.
Niello
@Masky: Not enough manga titles are getting translated. Batoto is the site scanlation groups basically rely on, and where other aggregation sites pull their content from. No batoto no obscure titles, a big blow to small scantation groups and one big manga/scanlator community down.
Niello
Why are you guys so harsh on the mummy show? It's so darn cute. Give it some credit. If a comedy show can be good because it does comedy well I don't see why a show ike Mummy can't be good if it can make people go "aww".
Masky
I don't really know why that is the case, maybe marketing budget and UI friendliness when done right? :P
Masky
Eh, wouldn't say it will kill manga industry. I mean, more and more official methods of reading manga online is starting to pop up and legit channels to pay to get access to manga can surprisingly enough harm free channels to get manga.
Masky
Anyway, I do find it funny how how the isekai character dies can be so meaningless that is joke in most of them
Niello
Batoto is going down, how this affect the manga reading is going to be interesting. Hope it's not slowly dying.
Masky
(at least that one, besides forgetting to introduce what the heck is gimmick besides generickness, acknowledged how most of otaku mcs shouldn't erally want to get transferred to fantasy world since they never get to see how their favourite mangas end :P )
Masky
Anyhoo, it gets annoying since its not just isekai being cliche, sometimes is just them being kind of badly written(or at least adapted to manga). Like, I found one new isekai today, but I have no idea what its gimmick is(from what I understood, its that "cute companion" that character gets is hideously op because mc didn't spefy cute girl when he asked god manager dude for cute companion)
Masky
Slime one is one of better from the more generic ones weirdly enough :P I mean I still wouldn't call it good, but at least MC character isn't god tier, just top tier and it has sort of village building simulation feel to it. Plus at least naming things giving monsters more powers is something funny regarding jrpg mechanics
Kaiser-Eoghan
Or alternatively the car was on a boat with the character or parents in it and the boat and car were hit by a falling plane lol
Kaiser-Eoghan
Its always "car accident" that sends the characters to another world or in harem cases "Lost parents due to car crash", for christs sake doesn't anyone die in out of control plane or speedboat crashes anymore, at least make it a motorbike....
Nayrael
Ah sorry, should probably not have touched the colors...
Nayrael
Trust me, Isekai is better when it doesn't try to be imaginative. When it tries to be original then... Isekai with a Smartphone... Isekai where the MC turns into a Slime... and my favorite: Isekai where the MC became a Hot Spring popular with sexy girls.
Masky
Assuming "new" things can happen under the sun
Masky
Anyhoo, I do wonder what the heck will be next "popular genre trope that will become so overused cliche that everyone groans whenever show uses it even if its actually good show"
Masky
Like, seriously you could do really interesting story variant on isekai with that if done right. Suddenly becoming characters you have roleplayed would be trippy as hell espicially if one of characters went really into detail with backstory while one of them is just "Bob the fighter, he likes fighting" and has to deal with what happens when you assume life of such a person
Masky
But I wouldn't honestly be surprised because of my anger issues related to amount of unimaginative isekai :P Though I guess trpg based one would be more imaginative in comparison
Masky
I'd assume not since I assume tabletop rpgs are much more niche than jrpgs in japan
Masky
So has anyone yet done isekai where guys getting transferred were playing trpg? :P
KTravlos
quite happy with most recent Attack of Titan manga chapter.
SuperMario
Alright, one more impression post to go before we really get on to new season
SuperMario
@Kaiser: yep, I just fixed it. Thank you
Kaiser-Eoghan
*than just the reviewers names
Kaiser-Eoghan
A slight problem with the coding there in the newest impression, showing code gobbledeegook rather than the reviewers names above their impressions.
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Mario: I'm seeing it on 2nd of February.
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Mario: Late screeners generally leak shortly after the uk release, so maybe early Febbruary it'll be online?
SuperMario
@Kaiser: yep, Phantom Thread. Could be Daniel Day Lewis's final performance. Is it available online already?
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Mario: Did you know that Paul Thomas Anderso8n has a new film coming out? Also I found out there is a Polish semi-knockoff of purple rose of cairo.
Kaiser-Eoghan
Awesome, just got myself an invite to a secret private torrent site =)
K-Off
@Kaiser When I was in University, I was a waiter at a Korean-owned Japanese Sushi restaurant with a kitchen staff of entirely Mexicans with poor English. The owner, while he provided the rest of his staff with small meals during our lunch or dinner shifts, never game any to the kitchen staff. The guy even ranted to a customer about how "lazy" or "ignorant" they were.
K-Off
Buses are pretty common in America, even outside the major super-cities like LA, NYC, or Chicago. It's public rail you're thinking of that we don't have much of outside the cities.
Kaiser-Eoghan
I brought up the racisim/aunt story wondering if anyone had any horror stories about where they worked?
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Bokusen: Buses don't seem to be a thing in America, meanwhile over here, despite traffic, public transport is much more of a thing, couldn't imagine not getting a train or bus somewhere.
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Amagi. I must say you changed my positive view of the German education system.
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Amagi: And yet Austria gets the far right party in power and Israel also has a far right apartheid leader.
Kaiser-Eoghan
If any good came from it, her boss got banned from facebook .
Amagi
Two years ago the alt/new right hold a rally here since they're successful elsewhere with their anti-immigrant/PoC speeches. In the end it was 35 nazis vs 29.000 counter-demonstrators. The joke: when they had to leave with police protection they shouted "We are the people". Yes 35 hated bigots are surely the people, not the 29k. I laughed.
Amagi
@Kaiser-Eoghan: That aunt story is pretty shit. I am kinda happy about smartphones nowadays, you can often make photos or record speech if you are witnessing something. Also, thank God the racists in my city are very rare since antifa and leftwingers took hold of it decades ago - now 70% of people are immigrants so racists don't even tend to show up anymore.
Nielllo
Great. I don't think most of what I wrote actually appeared in the chat.
Niello
what I'm going to do in the long run.
Niello
While Liberal art colleges are really good for developing writing and reading skills, the truth is in science classes you still don't do much of that. it's also limited by general lack of equipments that you get at bigger Uni. My college don't even have engineering.
Bokusen
@Kaiser Darn it, I hate it when racists try to justify their beliefs. That guy sounds like a major jerk!
Bokusen
@Niello Ah, yeah I think I might have preferred the UK system too if they give a month to study for exams! Wow...That sounds much nicer. Oh, and yeah, I wish the US had better public transport too... After seeing Japan's public transport system, I wish the US's could be more like it.
Kaiser-Eoghan
The landlords love to kickout people through unfair prices a stick their friends in instead.
Kaiser-Eoghan
Since we're on careers, it reminds me, one of my aunts telling me what a bastard her boss was, guy was a racist, she complained about it then he got rid of all the evidence linking him to it and made it seem as if she was the rascist and humiliated her in front of her Arab friends.
Kaiser-Eoghan
I think we all end up getting this huge kick in the ass moment where we learn andget it together.
Kaiser-Eoghan
It gets better thankfully, grew up and am happy with this postal clerk job.
Kaiser-Eoghan
The landlord story is a common one, they still think themselves feudal lords.
Amagi
And yeah, all this neet time. Although not moving out isn't that uncommon here anymore, considering how the rent increases, especially in my region (European bank city). And if I look at my friends it seems like they've the same problems. Even those who have found their dream jobs are otherwise living a nerdy life, going to pubs at night and so on. I think a part of us will always stay twenty.
Amagi
@Kaiser-Eoghan: This "career" was exactly the same for me. I am pretty sure I wasn't even capable of thinking about my future up until, as you said, mid-twenties. There were just so many other things that interested/bothered me, school wasn't even among my top 30s or so.
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Amagi: Oh how I regret not getting into novels, noe my concentration is too shit to read them.
Kaiser-Eoghan
Actually I don't think teenagers even really know who they themselves actually are .
Kaiser-Eoghan
Youth is wasted on the young.
Kaiser-Eoghan
I remember wasting so many chances to properly appreciate and get into certain things when I was younger too, when I actually had the time. We have no idea how to use it at that age.
Kaiser-Eoghan
The answer is down to the kid themselves wising up early and adults needing to find a way to REALLY motivate kids.
Kaiser-Eoghan
I hated being in that position, leeching off my parents/the state.
Kaiser-Eoghan
I remember as a teenager thinking watching films/anime/playing videogames with my friends/brother would last forever, then getting a dose of reality that everyone just moved on .
Kaiser-Eoghan
and between short contracts you spend months as a neet.
Kaiser-Eoghan
You just end up bouncing between go nowhere evening/day courses that are more about putting asses on seats than actually getting anyone anywhere.
Kaiser-Eoghan
and then you find out you dossed off so much in school you can't get to grips with university.
Kaiser-Eoghan
I wouldn't recommend anyone doing what I did in my teens and early 20s, dossing off all the time, then finding out you have to wait five years to go to college as mature student, your school results are middling and not job/college useful, end up taking forever to get to the stage where you can start building up temporary job experience because no one will hire you.
Kaiser-Eoghan
Heck, as a teenager I remember pretty much living in the moment, never even thought seriously about what I wanted to do, I don't think I even thought about that my adolescence would end, pretty much rushed through my homework and never studied, stayed up all night watching anime/reading manga and playing videogames allday.
Kaiser-Eoghan
I don't think I actually matured/grew up until I was in my mid twenties.
Kaiser-Eoghan
My school never did a career prep class.
Kaiser-Eoghan
in the end thats how I got to where I am now.
Kaiser-Eoghan
I took a different path in life to working, doing temp and voluntary work over time to buildup experience all over the place and working out what I wanted to do that way.
K-Off
@Kaiser @Amagi Besides the characters, Emma would not work if not for the sheer passion for Victorian history that you see in every single frame. Reading Emma reminded me not to avoid historical manga entirely as I'd done before.
K-Off
Probably why Community College is one of the best things to ever happen to the United States' education system, since it catches those students who need some time to figure out what they want to study. I went through three years of it before transferring to University.
K-Off
@Amagi Possibly one of the dumbest mistakes a lot of parents make. Society at large expects teens to have meaningful thoughts about the rest of their lives, when, let's be honest, most of us spent our teenage years doing anything but. Then they're somehow surprised when their children fail class after class because of their lack of motivation.
AidanAK47
@Amagi, I have seen Shion no Ou. In fact it was this site that got me to watch it years ago. I remember it being a damn good watch too.
Amagi
Due to that system most kids stay in the social class of their parents which is why you mostly have pure academic families or pure working class families. It got better the last decades though, but that separation is still there. The fact that I am a university student now is rather an exception than the rule.
Amagi
The thing is that most teens don't even have a clue about what job would interest them or be something for them. I for example come from a family in which most people don't even graduated, let alone that anybody would ever read books or so. So I knew absolutely nothing as 12yo and only ever read my first book at 15 because of a friend.
Amagi
@KTravlos: (As a German) I totally agree. The worst is that most people have to choose the route of their career as early as they become 16 or so, maybe even earlier, since we have that three part school system where you choose your school type after elementary school. One is for professionals, one is middle tier and one school (hauptschule) is for the typical working class jobs.
Kaiser-Eoghan
I think its the exotic factor of a lost era/age, I also tend to like the costumes .
Kaiser-Eoghan
Otoyomegatari I've not read in some time, though Kaoru Mori's attention to detail is quite strong.
Amagi
The Victorian Age is also very popular among manga fans it seems. I don't even know why I love it that much, considering that I am usually a sci-fi fan, but I somehow do. Historical things are almost always interesting though.
Kaiser-Eoghan
I grew up watching old English melodramas with my parents....therefore Emma was a show that jumped out at me.
Amagi
Speaking of Emma, I should finally read the new volume of Otoyomegatari. I really love that author, Emma was awesome. She writes great characters.
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