Posted by psgels on 21 November 2012 with categories: Anime Reviews, Eureka Seven Ao



The original Eureka Seven is a classic. If you like teenagers and mecha, then by all means give it a chance: it has a very rocky start, but has so many defining moments. And so, six years after its end, Bones came with a sequel. It’s quite an interesting series: you really need to have seen the first series in order to enjoy it, yet it is nothing like its predecessor.

The series takes some of the core concepts of Eureka Seven, it takes its defintion of Trappar and Corallian, it grabs the son of the two lead characters of Eureka Seven, puts him into a completely different location and even time, and just goes with it, trying to explain what the hell is going on as it goes along. Where Eureka Seven focused on showing children’s naivety, this series instead turns this around by forcing children in the center of conflict, while emphasizing that they do not belong there in the slightest. With these themes, it tells a story that with one crazy amount of plot twists.

After a bit of a warm-up period, this show just delivers plot twist after plot twist after plot twist. It’s a really good mystery series, with a lot of interesting ideas and twists that come from out of nowhere and give completely different turns to what the plot was before. This obviously has its advantages and disadvantages.

I mean, back with Un-Go, that was a series that had perfect control of its fast pacing. Ao does not, and there are quite a few plotholes. On the other hand though, there are plenty of moments that might seem ludicrous, only to make sense when you start thinking about it. A lot of the plot twists aren’t explicitly explained, or require the viewer to constantly pay attention to what’s going on: this is one series that does not plan to hold the hands of its viewers, and you definitely cannot watch it when you’re tired, otherwise you’ll miss stuff.

Anyway, I have seen plenty of people turned off by the plotholes, but I personally loved what this series tried to do. It’s all about the suspense of disbelief for this series, and let me tell you: if this suspense of disbelief holds, then there is a lot to like about this show. Helping are the characters, who may not be as good as the cast of Eureka Seven, but still are very likable, diverse and entertaining, and this show is also full of unexpected character-development.

What I really encountered here that this show does like none other, is how it treats the old characters of the first series. Out of all the sequels I have seen that focus on different characters than the first, this is BY FAR the best use of the old cast. They are used at the exact right moment, and this show pays homage to them, yet also shows their flaws, it shows who they turned into after the end of the series, and it gives them their own storylines that are more than just “let us old guys just watch over you new guys”. It’s fanservice, but I appreciated it so much.

This is a very ambitious series. You can also see this though the production values, which were some of the most consistent of the year for an action series, containing a lot of fluid and fast-paced action scenes and a really good soundtrack. The plot twists and characters on top of that made it a really fun and entertaining series for me, although this ambition does have its prices to pay with the rushed plot that is easy to get bored with.

Storytelling: 9/10 – Love the ambition of this series of delivering as many plot twists as possible that attempt to weave a whole storyline together. Great mystery, though the rushed pacing and plotholes will be a turn-off for some.
Characters: 8.5/10 – Briliant use of the old Eureka Seven cast, Enjoyable and gripping cast of both main and side characters, although the cast is too big for every character to really show his/her best.
Production-Values: 9/10 – Great production values, excellent soundtrack, really fluid animation at times.
Setting: 8.5/10 – Takes the setting of Eureka Seven, expands upon it, turns it into something completely different and completely changes what it stands for. Might be hard to swallow for fans of the first series hoping for the same.

Suggestions:
Darker than Black – Ryuusei no Gemini
Un-Go
Noein

30 Responses

  1. tetsuo says:

    Thx for the review!

  2. TheUltimateReaper says:

    Everything considered the score is fair. I’m still a bit upset with the overall story of the Eureka Seven universe, but its not like I have a choice, and this will have to do. At least they managed to create a living kid. Though we will never know how their bloodline goes about surviving, and their are many unanswered questions about everyone futures. I don’t give points for ambition, creativity, or any of the sort. It’s always been about the story. I especially like Ao takes place in what would have been our world. I can’t say much more. It was a fun ride. Still a bit depressed, but I guess it’s good enough.

  3. Bernared says:

    Nice review! Thanks for the good work and keep doing it!

  4. Raye Peneber says:

    I enjoyed this series, but still prefer the original. 8.75 is a fair score, I’d probably give the original series a 9.25.

    With that being said, I got a bit lost in some time travel plot points, but thought the treatment of old returning characters was spot on.

    Production values were top notch, and the soundtrack was even better BONES always kills it!

  5. Souther says:

    No, I’m afraid I can’t agree with this review or with this score at all. But I imagine you already knew that, given my previous comments.

    Like I’ve already suggested, I could have liked AO more if it really had nothing to do with Eureka 7. The show wouldn’t be much better, but at least I wouldn’t feel so disappointed. That’s what hurts.

    The connections between this series and the original show retroactively created plot holes and harmed the ending of the initial adventure, for little or no real gain. That’s a terrible thing.

    I also cannot agree with the idea that the show did anything “good” with the old cast of characters, particularly Eureka and Renton. While it wasn’t necessary to have them appear all the time, now that the full picture has been revealed it’s obvious they existed to serve the needs of the plot, not vice versa. You claim they were given their own storylines, but that’s giving AO way too much credit.

    They aren’t even a case of true fanservice, nope, but rather of fan disservice. If anything, the new plot holes and twists involved hurt the way their original story concluded, which in turn makes their character behavior seem a bit weird and questionable during the last arc, to say nothing else. I cannot understand why you would find that praiseworthy, but there’s no point in carrying this topic any further.

  6. saosucks says:

    I think Psgel likes to praise shows that are criticized elsewhere by “mainstream” anime fans. For example, I still remember, and still can’t understand, that you gave Crystal Blaze a 89/100???!!!!!

  7. someloser says:

    wait did anyone other than eureka and renton return from the old storyline?

    other than that, still think this is a bit too high for a rating. Plot twists are nice, but when you shove 20 twists into the final two episodes, the entire storyline changes and kills the meaning within the first 22 episodes, which by then don’t even serve as twists anymore. Now what you have is an entire new story that contradicts both the original series and the 22 episodes that precede it. “Woven” would be too kind, as it’s more as if the “twists” were stabbed into the fabric the Eureka universe, creating plotholes everywhere… (wow that was a really screwed up metaphor) In the end, what we are left is a trainwreck that could have used a bit more episodes to make stuff clear.

    this is really reminding me of your review blood-c, especially with the emphasis on “suspense of disbelief.” kubo goes about suspending his readers in disbelief by pulling asspull after asspull, but can you call that good writing?

    • Juno says:

      I’m not sure what you mean by that ending paragraph, but “suspense of disbelief” means that anything that usually would stand out as hard to believe has been covered well with other things to make it more believable. In all the literature classes I’ve taken, “suspense of disbelief” is a major goal for good writers.

      • someloser says:

        thanks for clearing up the term, i simply thought of it as something hard to believe. However, if that what suspense of disbelief is then how exactly am i supposed to believe this ending when it’s barely been covered well enough? On one hand the ending solved a few mysteries while introducing a good amount of plotholes that weren’t covered in the rest of the episodes. am i seriously going to consider this as suspense of disbelief? Second, is suspense of disbelief actually truly worth it if it ends up shifting the entire storyline in a completely different direction?

  8. NDenizen says:

    I thought it was really underwhelming, to be honest.

    For the bulk of the story: if they wanted to go with their own story, they should have detached from as many elements as the original if possible and limited themselves less. Most of the plot felt frankly wasted and empty – non of themes were portrayed eloquently or well enough, and whatever they were, there was no resolution to them in the end. The characters were never given room to become their own entities (something Eureka Seven had lots of room to do, hence why it was so good at this), AO himself never really took up the reigns as the eyes of the world like Renton did.

    And as a sequel, it was not obligated to be a copy of the original. However, it was obligated to not CONTRADICT the major themes, both storywise and symbolic, that it did. This show’s ending basically came out and said “Eureka and Renton’s love will lead to only tragedy and there is NOTHING they can do about it”, which is really, seriously shitty in itself but also in context of the E7 universe. And as you said, plotholes galore. The truth is none of the tragedy had to be there to deliver resolution the messages it did, and yet it was done anyway. It just seemed like Masturbatory 2deep4me Anno/Tomino-esque bullshit for no reason.

    The series itself was a mess – the direction of the show we know was completely changed midstream and it really shows. Kind of like Xam’d it had no fucking idea what it was doing, never knew this, and never tried to redeem itself. An absolutely disgusting sundering of what was originally such an optimistic and well done series, I hate it.

    • Aetherial says:

      Honestly, I think the show might’ve been able to salvage itself if it were only longer. Another 6-7 episodes that could have been spent on fleshing out the characters would’ve been nice. And then maybe another 3-4 episodes to really clear up all the plot details, instead of just hammering in a dozen different plot points into a single episode.

      Overall, Ao could never hope to do what the original E7 did, simply because it strays too far from the strong points of the original series (which was, IMO, the relationships between all the members of the main cast).

      Even so, Ao could still have been a much better series than it turned out to be. It just feels rushed and very badly paced.

    • Troyen says:

      I’m not even entirely sure what they were doing at the end. Over the course of the show, the main characters went on quite the schizophrenic enemy tour: they started off fighting secrets, then Truth, then scub, then the Allied Forces, then secrets, then Truth again, then scub, then Renton (???), then finally secrets and scub? We don’t know if they were even successful because it looked like trapar still existed in 2027.

  9. Kamen Grinder says:

    You really have no idea what good storytelling is, do you? And no, avoiding the harem or incest themes is not enough to be called good writing.

  10. Ebisu says:

    A fair review. Personally I have no problems with the plotholes, more with the loose ends. I’d love to see a continuation or a sequel to this Eureka Seven AO. It has been done differently to Eureka Seven but with its own charm, though I’ll still think it’s a shame the story was forced to end at this point. It deserved more time!

  11. Hogart says:

    Wow, now I’ve really got to watch Ao. It’s been a while since I saw people this angry about a sequel to a show that’s frankly not as fantastic as people give it credit for. It’s Darker than Black all over again.

  12. drebner says:

    87.5/100 for Eureka Seven AO?
    Nope.

  13. jzar says:

    I wanted this to be so much better. It wasn’t bad but the story telling was far too involved to be told within the anime. Sometimes simple is best and I felt they made the story far too complicated to enjoy and understand.

    I found myself getting into it and then just left behind in the latter episodes since with every change of the world timeline the characters would be different but not different enough to really understand how those characters had changed.

    Nara, the love interest / childhood friend was never used in a major way yet she had lots of screen time to do so. She could have done a lot to explain the story, instead of ending up being one of the most confusing characters in it. In the early episodes She was a major focus yet all that build up was then just tossed aside and never really used in the story to make use of her build up.

    I loved having Renton and Eureka return, that was very good and helped tie together the various world timelines. Yet the underlying world and each of the world timeline changes were not clear enough to let me understand the changes and ended up getting in the way of me enjoying the story.

    Ambitious and it had some great story moments but in the end it fell short of knowing what story it was trying to tell. The pacing for the whole show was way off. It felt like they crammed 6 episodes into the last two. Major fail for that.

    It would have worked just fine for a light novel but didn’t work as a 24 episode anime. A+ for ideas and creativity, C- for story. Nowhere close to the original in terms of story telling and likeable characters that you cared about.

  14. TheMightyJojo says:

    Ambitious? definitely. That much is obvious. I don’t think it deserves such a high score just because it was ambitious though. The way the show tried to execute its ideas were very hit and miss. I can’t really applaud the way it wasted so much of its time on build-up either.

  15. Crow says:

    I must say this is a horrible anime. Even forgoing any connection to Eureka Seven it was bad. Complete ditch of the original concepts and reworking them; trapar, cities, technology, and the absolute disregard of explaining it’s connection to EU. Half why through the anime and I wondered how there was a 1940 time line. Not to mention only kid pilots really? What about All of GekkoState or Sumner Sturgeon and Ruri or was that just an excuse to put in all girl pilots for Ao to hang around with? This was trying too much to be stereotypical that it failed to even be like those other mediocre mecha animes.

  16. Iknow says:

    Eureka Seven AO doesn’t exist. Nor does this review….i refuse to live in a world where Eureka Seven AO exists…ohhhhhh

  17. gurdlo says:

    How can you consider this fan service, when only two characters from the original show up? This stopped being fanservice the moment where the Gekko-Go got scuttled.

  18. saj_nabeshin says:

    This is another Gundam Seed Destiny.
    The original follows the old mobile suit gundam narrative format, and this sequel tries to take off in its own direction, only to crash and burn.

  19. sc_1128 says:

    disclaimer: I just finished AO recently and the reason why this comment is soooo long is one thing, I’m just so pissed off. But I hope you read enough to see why.

    I still believe it’s not a whole disappointment. Here is my assessment of a 7/10 series (No, I don’t agree with a 87.5) Let’s start out by giving these series a perfect score, 10/10 then nitpick or praise it along the way.

    (1) In my opinion, the last two episodes should’ve been a whole season! Plotholes are relatively easy to deal with–JUST GIVE YOUR CHARACTERS SOME SPACE FOR GROWTH UNTIL THEY’RE STRONG ENOUGH TO HANDLE THEM. Which FMA Alchemist was able to do and which Xam’d and AO did not. How? As much I hate lengthy animes, the essence of a trainwreck is simple, TRAIN TOO FAST, RAIL TOO SHORT [Guilty Crown, everyone.]

    -8 points. = 2/10

    (2) Though I’m a sucker for happy endings, I found the original E7 series ending to be a disaster. Too bubbly, too sugary–I mean, hearts on the Moon!!!!??? and to have gained something so valuable without paying a particular price is just wrong. THERE SHOULD BE AN EXPLANATION FOR THAT ENDING. IT’S TOO GOOD TO BE TRUE. Don’t get me wrong. Renton and Eureka deserve that ending.

    +8 points. This is a necessary evil. Otherwise, go read a bedtime story instead. = 10/10

    (3) The harsh reality of the setting which E7 was found cannot allow that to happen. I get what BONES wanted to tell us. It’s Ao who gets to pay the price–that was his destiny.

    +5 points. Necessary evil, also. It’s the best option to take to solve the problem E7’s oiginal ending faced. = 15/10

    So much for praises.

    (4) Now here’s the greatest nitpick to the AO series: they toyed with the characters. Naru, Fleur, Elena, even the older guys, like Ivica and Gazelle’s gang–they’re all beautiful characters wasted. Good backgrounds, bad decisions. The writer of this series DIDN’T KNOW HIS CHARACTERS WELL. Guys, despite making hard decisions, Renton is a VERY EMOTIONAL GUY. I figured when he’d see Eureka in a hologram form that would’ve been MORE than enough to bring him to his knees, or at least show some bit of despair. I mean, your wife, the one you’d fought the whole universe against just to win her is standing there a hologram, and your son fighting desperately to save her. Tsk. There are some things maturity cannot erase. Thus they screwed with one of my favorite characters of all time.

    -12 points. A plot can either be simple or complex. But it’s irrelevant. Great characters make great stories. Even if plotholes abound, when you find characters that you adore, respect, cherish, hate, mourn for and made you smile, you wouldn’t even notice the plotholes anymore. Let’s face it. Real life HAS a lot of plotholes, but the people around us is what makes the difference. Seriously, that’s the essence of E7. No one is alone. And, well, BONES screwed up this one badly. Renton’s destiny was to win Eureka’s heart and save her against all odds and everything that occurred over the original series did just that, to prepare him, to challenge him, to hinder him even, just so he could grow up to be what he should be. I pity Ao. He didn’t get the chance to truly grow like his father did–with the love, hate, and bonds others had for him. Fleur, Naru, Ivica, heck–they did nothing for Ao. But all is not lost. = 3/10

    (5) “See you later…” Truth. Take note, from the original series, the Nirvash had always been an enigma. Sure, he was an LFO found in the scub. But what is he, really? If they made the plot in such a way that Truth is actually the Nirvash per se, then it makes sense. It’s gonna be tough and I doubt BONES could pull off such a feat.

    +2 pts. Promising but not very reassuring. 5/10

    (6) TWO, Fleur’s Thurd Engine. It glowed purple, didn’t it? They’d better damn sure give Fleur and Ao a chance, especially since they’d had the guts to etch the Moon with a heart. Don’t screw with me. You want it sugary, right? Deal with it, BONES. GIVE ME A SUGARY ENDING THAT HAS SATISFIED THE SACRIFICE-PRINCIPLE ALSO. THE QUESTION LIMITATION HAS FINALLY BEEN DEALT WITH. NOW FIX THIS.

    +3. Very promising. But with fingers crossed. = 8/10

    Finally, (7) Naru. WHO IS SHE? WHAT IS HER PURPOSE? It’s a given rule among otakus and anime-lovers all around the world, THE GIRL FROM THE BEGINNING GETS TO DO SOMETHING BIG. No sidelines. Go ahead, let her die, just don’t be too cruel to the point of making a series that put her there but would’ve been better off without her [which BONES already did with AO].

    -1. Sadly, Naru didn’t really matter. She didn’t matter at all that all I could give this series for her defense was a pricky minus one point. This is just wrong.

    OVERALL: 7/10

    Bad enough to give you sleepless nights but good enough to ask you for a continuing season to redeem itself with.

    All is not lost. If only the writer would go beyond the Great Wall and finally find what he’s looking for because seriously he’s one lost dude. And so save us from this wretched season of E7.

    Forgive me, people. I love Renton and Eureka. I love them so much their mere presence alone made me give this trainwreck a 7/10. But likewise it also pains me to have watched it end like this.

    No. It can’t end like this.

    That’s the reason for this lengthy commentary. I hope people would put pressure into forcing them to push through with a third season. To fix all this. If it still fails, only then will I be able to pick up a Quartz Gun and blast this wretched series to kingdom come.

    Ao, our beloved Eureka and Renton’s only son deserves a better ending, not to mention a better journey to make than this crap. So does the rest of the characters. I hope BONES should finish what they’ve started. I’m a big fan of most of their works. And a hater of some. I’m not particularly hopeful, but hopeful nonetheless. I just wanna see hearts etched on Moons and beautiful girls with butterfly wings again, so badly I wrote one heck of a commentary!

    Oh when will the day come when Ao would say,

    “DON’T BEG. EARN IT. AND IT WILL BE YOURS.”

    #fingerscrossed >_<

  20. fanfan says:

    I recently watched Eureka 7, the entire series again because I loved it so much and decided to see if they finally had a sequel. To my surprise it did and I was excited. Well I watched it and it SUCKED!!!!!! I HATE IT!

    I wanted so bad to see Ao’s brothers and sisters(Renton’s and Eureka’s other kids) I wanted to see Holland’s kid and know what all of them were too and how they would work together to help what the parents started.

    This went soooo far from the original plot that it can not be called a sequel! Watching I asked my self what does this have to do with Eureka 7, where is everyone, and why can’t Ao talk to Nirvash?

    All this stupid show said that Renton and Eureka’s love was doomed =( SOMETHING i WILL NEVER EVER BELIEVE!!!!

    Oh when will the day come when Ao would say,

    “DON’T BEG FOR IT,DO IT YOURSELF OR ELSE YOU WON’T GET ANYTHING”

  21. ferrerez66 says:

    I watched both series. I like what they did. They took a perfect ending (E7), and showed the imperfection and how badly Renton screwed up when he saved Eureka. This being with the secrets killing the scubs for traveling through to other time periods/universes.

    When Renton saw Eureka in her hologram form, he seemed to have already knew she’d be like that, and probably broke down before hand. He tried to kill Eureka and the scubs because only the scubs (including Eureka) would be erased, in order for his son to be protected. But Ao risked losing his entire existence in order to save his Mom & Dad.

    My main problem (although very dark, which is fitting with Ao) was that Ao’s sister died due to Trapar not allowing human and scub DNA to mix. But Anemone had Human and scub DNA mixed in her forcefully and Artificially, whilst Ao and sister had it happen Naturally. Man-made lives while nature made dies. seriously, WTF.

    Although I’d like another season or 2 to better explain the ending, I am still (for the most part) satisfied with the fact that I GOT a sequel, instead of complaining that it wasn’t what i wanted, even with the ending (pointing fingers at the ones who do, if thats not you, i apologize).

    I’d give it a 9/10 for the fact that I liked it that much.

  22. Inkimetronic says:

    This anime relinquishes some of its own logic by the end by making Eureka stranded like Renton’s dad. It fails at the end but the failure happens to the Rush I would prefer seeing Ao’s older sister in a new series because now that timelines are rerouted and quartz phenomenon might actually be replicated thus the series philosophy might need work unlike the first Eureka 7 I think I need Ameneme legacy on and about too :)

  23. jay says:

    This makes no sence this takes place 1000 years in the past the original series took place in year 3000 so 2025 makes no sence.

  24. Freddy says:

    In my opinion i would have to say AO fails. i cannot in good conscious agree to giving it an 8.7/10 this falls more into 5.5, 6 at the most out of 10. A continuation is fine i got no problem with it. but the concept of time being messed around with was a bad gamble. Ao and the other characters didn’t really get a chance to grow like the original cast did. it was all very rushed and fast paced compared to the original. not many things were explained. if i had to direct it i would completely remove the concept of time travel and started exactly where the original left off. carefully plan for most of the original cast to make appearances before Ao. it’s obvious who ended with who in the original so it would’ve been a good selling point for Ao to have a drive to surpass Renton.

    I suppose two ways to do it would be Renton and Eureka trying to make a co-exitence happen between coralians and humans and somewhere along with the pregnancy of Ao more and more Humanoid Coralians are appearing but the process of overcoming fear and hate between the races is still rough at best. Ao would be one of the first of 2 who are part human and part coralian. obviously Dominique and Anemone would have their family with similar backgrounds to Ao. As for the secrets involvement. well even if i did agree to use them i think it would be too similar to Gurren Lagan’s battle with the anti-spirals.

    Naru and Truth would be an interesting pair of antagonists but as we saw it had a falling in a lot of ways. in the concept of keeping romance a factor like wit the original i believe Ao going through his young teenage life could be a little more complicated compared to renton just to keep fans and pairing wars flamed and see how ans react at possible canon pairings in which i case i say between fleur, naru, and a daughter of Anemone and Dominique so Ao can have his own personal as well as humourous trouble with girls.

    Mechs. A copy of Nirvash but still treating it like it’s the original is a no go in my book especially since the original became an enemy which is a no go since if i recall Nirvash became the new core cluster. but i can accept the idea of new arche types appearing with abilities that can at least surpass the original and at least give them new names so it wouldn’t feel like Ao is trying to hard to ride a mech similar and equal to the original nirvash. one idea is that the arche types have decided to have animal based modes along with their human modes as a way to represent the gap between humans and coralians still having trouble finding a coexistence. and i guess if it’s up for a debate Ao’s mech can eventual combine with a animal archeytpe that has no faith in the coexistence of humans and coralians so Ao at about episode twenty gets 2 partner mechs. but that’s a maybe.

    Returning cast. this would be a great selling point. see how old characters/heroes have lived their lives. Renton could be something of an enigma since his job to maintain the peace keeps him busy along with eureka but i think her making a full time appearance can be doable at about episode 16 or 17 and that’s where after an absence she reveals to Ao that she expecting another child to give Ao a push into growing since the sister thing can a usuable part of the plot for Ao’s growth. on the subject of siblings. the three kids who obviously grown up by this point have their lives except i think Mater being Ao’s big sister spends her time taking care of Ao while handline her own part time job while Renton and Eureka work for long periods of time while the other two boys have started their own air lifting team that goes around the world competing in competitons. yall see where i am going with this anyway so i’ll stop here.

    Renton. Ao fighting Renton would been more interesting point if the the AO season had more episodes and the plot and story were’t so…confusing, rushed, and contradicting.

    anyway i can continue on like this all night with a 30 page essay on it but i think i have made my point on the subject. AO was a failed project that was too rushed and had too many plot holes.

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For Right of Way, its basically Person A attacks, Person B parries, Person A hits, Person B hits, Person B gets the point because they took right of way with the parry. Saber and Foil both have that, but Epee does not. Epee is simply "Whoever hits the opponent first, doesnt matter where, whole body is target area"
Lenlo
Theres Saber, Foil and Epee. The main difference is this thing called right of way, but there are other smaller ones like how Saber can hit with the edge and Epee is allowed to hit the entire body, instead of just the chest like Foil
SuperMario
For news, Blood Blockade Battlefront getting second season next year. As it was one of my favorite last year I'm really lokking forward to this second season
SuperMario
@Lenlo: that sounds great. From what I know from fencing there are 3 different types of blade right? So what are the differences between them? (Fencing 101 here)
Kaiser Eoghan
Although a fantasy sports thing could also generate interest, such as combining sports together to create something totally new.
Lenlo
@SuperMario, Fencing was great. Favorite sport ever and it helped me stay in shape in College. I find Epee to be the best blade, mostly cause I fenced it, but its a very intense 3 minutes. Unlike sports like Soccer and such which is alot of sustained running, Fencing is 3 minutes of Dont-Stop-Moving then wait till next match. Gets really fun once you figure out your own style.
SuperMario
haha, I wouldn't mind either if each episode focus on a single sport/ character/ country. Or even the positive aspects like role models, sports inspirations and stuffs
Lenlo
That Olympic anime sounds great.
Kaiser Eoghan
And it would be a good excuse to have characters of multiple backgrounds included too.
Kaiser Eoghan
Could be an 13 episode ova series with 48 minute episodes, and if its to be an ensemble character drama you could have 10 minutes to a each character (the ones being focused on in that episode) in each episode.
Kaiser Eoghan
Ah yes, aswell as cheating it could also get into "stage parenting", "abuse", "Disabilities" and also the general politics of sports, the backroom stuff.
SuperMario
I'll be the first in line if that olympic anime ever come out. Could be interesting to see the interactions between athletes in different sports, and then fans/athletes/coaches relationship, then the gold rush, doping... So much to talk around to
Kaiser Eoghan
I don't think theres ever been a manga about hurling either. Hey heres an idea, someone do an ensemble drama anime that deals with the olympics, fit in multiple sports that way.
SuperMario
Personally I find Australian football much more exciting than rugby. Or crickets.
SuperMario
@Kaiser: ha! Interesting that you mentioned Gaelic football, because in Aus we have AFL (Australian Football League), that really similars to Gealic Football to the point sometimes we have the 2 national teams compete each other with modified rules
Kaiser Eoghan
Hmm, lets see, sport under-represented in anime? Fencing, golf , Gaelic football, bowling, boat racing.
SuperMario
Hey, fencing is actually really cool. How did you like it Lenlo?
SuperMario
You have your point there Topgavin, as I clearly remember many instances where players' legs, backs or even necks got snapped during rugby's tackles. But in regards to Rugby I never really care about it. That and car racing
Lenlo
Its mostly the type of injuries you get that differ I think. Football you get concussions and broken bones and such, while in Rugby you probably get alot of bruises and cuts. Granted I have played neither, I was a Soccer man in highschool and fencing in College
Lenlo
American football has alot of rules, and really is just a bunch of millionaires running around chasing a ball. Rugby however, as Topgavin said, has no pads so when you get hit you get hit HARD
AidanAK47
I never ceases to surprise me just how high and mighty visual novel fans can be over Mosaics present in localized games. I mean they are literally complaining about not seeing genitalia yet the way they phrase it, it's like they are fighting against great injustice. If these VNs were Nukige they might have a point but in most cases the sex scenes in question are pointless and shoehorned in.
Topgavin
@Mario Rugby is more extreme *because* it has no protective gear. No hiding behind helmets and cushioned shoulder pads when ya get bowled over.
SuperMario
@Lenlo: I'm no expert but isn't American football a variation of Rugby? And I believe american football is more extreme, considering they have to wear helmets, protection gears and all that
Lenlo
I dont think theres alot of manga about it because its simply not that popular outside the US. As far as it being a battlefield, eeeeh? Not really? You want a battlefield watch Rugby.
SuperMario
I can think of other cool sports that could be interesting to see in anime: Kick Volleyball (Sepak takraw), Bossaball (combined soccer, volleyball in a trampoline), or in the same vein of skate figures this season, why not pole dancing competition???
Anonymous504493
What other sport is cool and popular that remains original to write about by now? There isn't a lot of manga about it compared to anything else.
Anonymous504493
American football looks like a battlefield with a visible battleline and everything. Id like it if there wasnt so many darn commercials.
Lenlo
I mean, its a sport. Far cry from best, but its definitely a sport.
SuperMario
@Vonter: or maybe because american football IS the best sports ever?
Kaiser Eoghan
@Vonter: Most likely due to the middle section of the original anime being the most popular bit.
Vonter
Can someone explain me how Cobra, is apparently getting an anime around some sort of space american football? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=54kNWPr43zE
Kaiser Eoghan
@Mario: Its not safe enough a film for me to properly recommend. Even to exploitation fans, they might find it too slow others would be too sensitive to it. Really una vita violenca, mamma roma, accatone, hawks and sparrows are what Pasolini is really about.
SuperMario
Now that you watched Salo, would you recommend the film to other people? I personally think it's a masterpiece but it's one of the title that I think people would break up with me if I show them this movie
SuperMario
@Kaiser: even him as a director, both Braveheart and Apocalypto don't do much to me, will see if Hacksaw Ridge going to change my mind (but I'm not to fond with war movies in general). La Notte is in my sooon-to-watch list for years, haha
Kaiser Eoghan
@Mario: Mel Gibson as a director, not as an actor =)
Kaiser Eoghan
@Mario: Thats why I prefer the neo-realist/quasi-neo-realism stuff as it deals with the worse off in society. But Antonioni was the master of being able to do films about angsty well-off people, L'aventura, the passenger and La notte for example
Kaiser Eoghan
@Mario: Its not so much that I dislike post 50s fellini moreso I feel that his throw everything at the screen and hope what sticks method can be hit or miss.
SuperMario
While I don't really mind his later stuffs because he was masterclass, I have a pretty hard time for Paolo Sorrentino's later works. The thing is I don't care much about the high class society so everything is just ridiculously over the top and glamour and I'm tired of it.
SuperMario
I haven't watched nights of cabiria but I did watch La Strada and boy, I was sad for few days after watching it. Fellini mentioned that he was inspired to make this movie when seeing a woman pushing a cart from behind. The film really carry that sense throughout its running
SuperMario
Michael Haneke put Salo in his top 10 films. Quite understandable when you think about it. Still for me one of the movie that affected me deeply.
SuperMario
I really admire Elle for its ability to maintain its sharpness because under other inexperienced directors it could easily becomes a mess. Mel Gibson, really? He's one of the few actors that I absolutely dislike
SuperMario
@Kaiser: The Red Turtle remains one of the the most refreshing time I had this year in cinema, but then again I haven't watched much films lately. Agree with you on Sonia's performance, and I still think they could cut out the first 20' of the film because it feels out of place compare to the rest of the film
Kaiser Eoghan
Debating whether to bother catching up on I am a hero or watching the film adaptation. I haven't read it since they got rid of that one female character.
Kaiser Eoghan
@Mario: I've a feeling you'll like nights of cabiria, Fellini was cranking out some solidly effective social-realist dramas in the 50s before he fell into self-indulgence.
Kaiser Eoghan
Now I have that sound euphonium compilation film downloaded, I should get to that sometime.
Kaiser Eoghan
@Mario: I also finally watched Salo, I ended up meeting it pretty much halfway. Some parts still retain the ability to effect a modern viewer, having seen his other works though its crazy just how different Salo is to them.
Kaiser Eoghan
@Mario: Seeing I, daniel Blake tomorrow and rogue one in a few weeks.
Kaiser Eoghan
@Mario: I hope Mel Gibson and Isabelle huppert win at the next oscars.
Kaiser Eoghan
@Mario: I liked the red turtle for its visual style of storytelling and animation even if I didn't get as emotionally attached to it as others did. I also watched Aquarius nd was pretty much blown away by Sonia Braga's performance. Elle is now one of my favourite Verhoeven films and its a miracle he managed to maintain such a great balance successfully throughout the film.
SuperMario
I don't care for the sequel of Code Geass at all. Why Spice & Wolf still hasn't got season 3 though is what really bugged me. From what I know their manga and LNs are selling very well
Anonymous494677
I wonder why that is...
Kaiser Eoghan
Ah, they were always milking code geass though what with those bajillion-million-billion manga spinoffs.
Kaiser Eoghan
Still say I was more fond of the character chemistry in spice and wolf as opposed to everything else.
Kaiser Eoghan
I'll likely pass on the code geass sequel, the memory I have of it has already led to its appeal dimishing for me, I don't want to ruin things further watching an un-neccesary followup. Still avoiding utawerumono's second season for same reasons.
AidanAK47
After all there are things which need sequels and things which don't. And Code Geass never needed a sequel after R2's ending. Giving something a sequel can just ruin the conculsion of the orignal series. Case in point. Eureka Seven Ao. Remember that? Cause you shouldn't. Because it was terrible.
AidanAK47
Honestly I would have preferred Spice and Wolf Season 3.
AidanAK47
So...is anyone gonna mention that Code Geass is getting a sequel?
....Because Code Geass is getting a sequel.
AidanAK47
@Anon, I am watching it as well. But I am a bit behind because I am watching the funimation broadcast dub. It's a very good guilty pleasure. I don't find it quite as funny anymore but it's still pure dumb fun.
SuperMario
@Anon487524: I'm still following it and it still remains a fun show to watch. I love the way they do the fan-servicey completely straight.
Topgavin
@anon I'll admit to watching it. While it is very simple and follows the sport anime formula religiously, it's still a blast to watch every week. This is also helped because you have no expectations for it before watching other than "oh god what's gonna happen this week".
Anonymous487524
Granted, nothing special, just one of those anime whose only worth is being fun to watch without being deep, but Keijo really is fun to watch, easily the best guilty pleasure anime in a long while to me.
Anonymous487524
I started watching it expecting an crappy fanservice anime with nothing of worth, but it ended up being actually pretty fun and awesome to watch.
Anonymous487524
Anyone here seeing Keijo?
SuperMario
What's up with 3-gatsu no Lion? Delayed for a week huh?
Kaiser Eoghan
Checked out Hedeki anno's godzilla re-boot earlier out of curiousity, its a bit plodding/dull at times but sometimes its high camp value played straight is kind of funny, having godzilla evolve during the film was a cool touch and I enjoyed every scene with him and making a Godzilla film today is still very relevant. Not a patch on the old ones though.
Anonymous482380
I think that movie was just so terrible that people made it into a meme. Stuff like "The Entire Bee Movie Except Evey Time They Say 'Bee' The Movie Speeds Up"
Kaiser Eoghan
I'm sorry lmao I had to, it seemed so appropriate a moment: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-1GadTfGFvU
AidanAK47
Fun Fact: The whole Bees shouldn't be able to fly thing is a myth.
Badesh
I think that was just a dry realization...
AidanAK47
@Topgavin, It's a meme to post the entire script of the bee movie in random places?
....I don't get the joke.
Topgavin
For anyone wondering, I think anon just copy/pasted the entire script for the Bee movie. Memes are goin strong
Anonymous479946
According to all known laws
of aviation,


there is no way a bee
should be able to fly.


Its wings are too small to get
its fat little body off the ground.


The bee, of course, flies anyway


because bees don't care
what humans think is impossible.


Yellow, black. Yellow, black.
Yellow, black. Yellow, black.


Ooh, black and yellow!
Let's shake it up a little.


Barry! Breakfast i
Kaiser Eoghan
Actually I think it was up to about episode ten or so I saw.
Kaiser Eoghan
From what I can recall I watched legend of the galactic heroes somewhere past the part with the Caligula guy.
AidanAK47
That is one thing I wonder about the remake. How are they going to make the space battles interesting? Cause for me theres only so many times you can watch tin boxes shoot lasers and explode.
AidanAK47
I didn't like LOGH until the third episode. That's when it started to catch my attention. It also helps that I have a interest in history as the plot of LOGH practically reads like genuine history.
AidanAK47
In my case the overhype didn't kill it for me as I generally try to avoid that. When I walked into LOGH I was under the impression that it would ahve merit but not be for me. After all I heard it was mostly politics and the politics of Gundam bore me to tears. Funny enough the opposite happened. The space battles bored me but the politics got me really interested.
AidanAK47
@Leahcimali, The problem is that the people who say that something is the best thing they ever seen don't actually mean it. Often it's just hyperbole. When talking we other people fans tend to blow certain things out of proportion unintentionally. Overrated is likely the wrong word but you get what I mean.
leahcimali
@AidankAK47 oh and are you going to write a review about it or because psngel already wrote a review of it you are not gonna write it ?
leahcimali
the problem is trying to rank art . Even comparing a comedy show and a story focus show is clearly impossible. @AidanAK47 do you think the overhype of some hardcore logh fan killed you enjoyment of the show ? Because sometimes when you expect nothing of something you can enjoy it more than when waiting for something incredible.
leahcimali
i hear the same thing from fan of lord of the ring, star wars and game of thrones, star trek ... etc. The hardcore fan of those says that they are the greatest things in history ... but saying there are overated is discrediting the quality of those. Nothing is perfect and again maintening equal quality in a longuer running show is impossible. But having a longer story create a more rich background
LookingForKeys
@Mario Kimi no Na ha is pretty damn good. Watched it while in Japan a couple weeks back. The story has well done surprises, and on the graphics side you can *really* see Production IG worked on it.
leahcimali
I don't think saying logh is overated is a good way to say it. All media with great aclaimed critics or even highly popular show suffer from the fan reaction. If fan claim that it is the best things that they have ever saw and you don't agree, it feels overated. But this is only pure subjectivity. Saying he is greastest thing in history is a way for fan to exprim there love
AidanAK47
However it has been placed on a unreasonable pedestal that nothing could live up to. Eva is sort of in the same boat. So yes it is overrated but that does not mean it isn't great.
AidanAK47
@Leahcimali, if anything is claimed to be the greatest thing in the history of mankind it is overrated. The basic idea that there is a single anime out there which is fundamental and universally better than all other anime regardless of genre or intent is inherently a flawed concept. I do certainly see why LOGH is so highly acclaimed and I believe it is well worth watching.
AidanAK47
@Anon, I didn't look into the details of the new LOGH remake. I was planning on doing that when I am doing an anime season preview for it whenever it's going to air next year. For a long anime it does rate highly but even then I am not certain it really needed all 110 of those episodes.
leahcimali
about your comment are you thinking the LOGH anime is overated ? i ask Because you said that there is plenty of anime you consided better .
Anonymous476875
about the remake won't it be a straight adaptation from the manga remake by the artist that made shiki ?
Anonymous476875
AidanAK47 personally i really loved legend of the galactic heroes and it is one of the anime that make one of the biggest impact on me. I found it the best "long" anime that i ever seen (more than 24 ep). But comparing it to anime with shorter format is a bit hard. you can make something that have perfect pacing in 1h30 but it is impossible with a 110 ep anime.
AidanAK47
Either way I am pretty certain that all other isn't crap to me now seeing as I have seen the so called pinnacle. In fact There are plenty of anime I consider better that LOGH.
AidanAK47
There are aspects of its story which wouldn't really work by today's standards.
AidanAK47
And I did it. I watched legend of the galactic heroes. I have slain the white whale of anime. It certainly was interesting to say the least but I think the remake coming is going to have trouble. I am in between giving it a 8 or a 9 but it's clear that LOGH is very much a product of its time.
Kaiser Eoghan
I didn't really care for this weeks flipflappers, the fanservice and also it was even more trigger than I could take.
Kaiser Eoghan
@Gavin@Mario: I'll get round to your name someday but I think this might be my last chance with shinkai.
Kaiser Eoghan
@Aidan: That disgaea review made me nostalgic because I remember my friends and I playing it back when it first came out. We found it difficult but were amused by it/liked the characters.
Kaiser Eoghan
@Aidan: Are the manga posts exclusively for series with only a few chapters translated or series that came out in the past year or so? I've been reading gunka no balthazar and enjoying it enough and think it should get recommendation out there.
Topgavin
Just booked tickets to go see it on Sunday with my little sister. Was surprisingly reluctant but I know she'll like it, I've already seen it but pumped either way.
SuperMario
Your name movie has been showed theatrically here in Aus, I'm planning to rewatch it soon in theatre and then do a review on it. Is that alright with other admins?
SuperMario
so I guess the top 6 will advance to the final are: Otabek Altin (Kazakhstan), Giacometti (Switzerland), Yuri, Yurio, JJ and Phichit? Will be very cool final event haha
SuperMario
At the very least Yuri on Ice shows me how entertaining ice skating can be
SuperMario
@K-Off: have a good trip ahead K-Off. Well, it's still better than Japan (earthquake) I guess
K-Off
Well, heading to Korea tomorrow. What a time to go. In the middle of Korea's biggest financial scandal since the 80s.
Lenlo
Is it just me, or does the Yuri on Ice opening get more colorful and detailed every week?
SuperMario
Badesh, if you like to check out their other songs, give "Tunnels of Love" and "Romeo & Juliet" a listen. Though I just discovered Telegraph Road quite recently, those 2 songs are qmong my all time favorite
SuperMario
I prefer their ealier version when the band was still together (aLCHEMY 1983), but that Rome 2005 was magnificent too. Seriously with this band diifferent live versions feel like another experience... And that song is criminally under-heard in radio too, because of its running time. A crying shame
Badesh
uhh, found it in better quality. now, THAT is a fitting present for my dad :)
Badesh
well that commentator, that sounds like he's in a soccer match, will get on my nerves though...
Badesh
if you're talking about the rome 2005 version... hell, that's some sweet music. i'll inhale that for the rest of the evening, thanks for that
SuperMario
Anyone here listen to Dire Straits? I just in the mood for their music lately. Checked out the band playing Telegraph Road live the other day on youtube and I was completely stunned.
SuperMario
@Lenlo: I considered Flip Flappers 3,5,6 to be its best so far so continue on to see if Flip Flappers is your cup of tea or not
SuperMario
For me I have a lot of stuffs to catch up on this time a year, both in terms of anime and in my RL. Time goes fast as hell
Lenlo
Started watching Flip Flappers. Thought I had it figured out, then we got Mad Max going on. I may start liking it more, cause the first 2 eps didnt do much
Lenlo
Its also nearing Thanksgiving in the states and end of semester for University, so those sorts will be busier than usual.
AidanAK47
You are far too young to be reminiscing. You can build a place for a community but you can't force one to come. I for one would think it would be easier to form one if people stopped using the Anon tag. You can change your name with the customize button you know.
Anonymous469664
I remember a time when people other than site admins were regular posters. Those were the days...
AidanAK47
But I suppose watching Westworld isn't exactly a waste of time.
AidanAK47
Downside is that I really don't have a lot of time these days. It's rather annoying. The day goes by and it doesn't really feel like you did anything.
AidanAK47
On the upside, I am nearly finished Legend of the galactic heroes. So when the Remake airs next year I will have a lot to say about it.
AidanAK47
Personally I have been rather busy lately and wanted to finish off a few things. Hence why my posts have been getting later.
AidanAK47
Anyway when there's nothing on the chat box to talk about then of course it dries up.
AidanAK47
You have unfortunate timing.
Anonymous469664
All the chat regulars have left house as well.
Anonymous469664
Four days since a single post.
K-Off
Damn, I don't know if it's the layout/algorithm/mods, but so many subreddits that I used to frequent have gotten watered down as hell. Between the influx of shills and changes to the upvote/downvote system (which doesn't properly convey controversial comments anymore, like 45 upvotes to 47 downvotes. Now it shows only a -2) it's hard to find reasonable debates or find important info
SuperMario
@K-off: and for that book the last time I checked it was $110 for you guys who live US plus free shipping. For us it's $150 not incluing the postage and few weeks delivery.
K-Off
Damn, I didn't realize that it could be that bad elsewhere. The worst experience I had was when I ordered a laser pointer from Switzerland over a forum, and the cunt didn't respond for nearly 4 weeks until I threatened to refund my $250 on PayPal.
AidanAK47
@Mario, Europe. That's the difference.
SuperMario
@Aidan: yeah I got a dispatch notice saying it's shipping now. I ordered it back in September as well so I don't know why the difference between us.
Kaiser Eoghan
I remember the days where I used to be relying on waiting for anime dvds to come out locally , looking back they were really overpriced, 35 euro for 4 or 5 episodes.
Kaiser Eoghan
My opinion on FMA alchemist ended up being all over the place because I must have watched 3 episodes every few months of it, then I stopped watching it for a year, got back into it for a few months, abandoned it for months then marathoned 20 episodes in one night to get it finished.
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