Posted by psgels on 17 December 2012 with categories: From the New World

Holy crap… a chain is only as strong as its weakest link. This show definitely put that saying into a different perspective. I mean heck, this is just a horror series in disguise. The whole story about that one kid who went crazy actually nearly freaked me out, that’s how good it was. Very, very dark psychological horror.

But with this I also feel so sorry for the people who all had to solve this and clean up, being forced to put so many constraining rules on the village. This was the first time the series showed the story from their perspective. And also their fear of some other kid freaking out. And the thing is that this series has been slowly building up someone for that role: Mamoru.

What’s more, Saki is being forced in the role of a leader now. I can only imagine how different the second half of this series will be, when she is actually put into that position, and forced to make the same incredibly difficult decisions. This show is cruel. Very cruel.
Rating: 6/8 (Awesome)

37 Responses

  1. Silty says:

    Did anyone else feel the parallel between this show and Psycho Pass? Especially the quantification of psychological stability.

  2. wakka9ca says:

    Notice the foreshadowing in the first few episodes. Remember who read the Fiend and Karma Demon stories in class?

    • Scruffy says:

      The narrator has already said (can’t remember which episode) that Maria would cause a lot of deaths. I assume that she’s going to turn fiend, perhaps if something happens to Mamoru?

  3. Spike says:

    Worse then that, did anyone else feel the parallel between this, psycho pass, AND current events?! Reading through comments online for these recent mass shootings / stabbings some people are sounding SCARILY close to the villagers. I read one comment “these crazy people should be eliminated before they become a threat”. I literally got chills as I heard the villagers rational after the appearence of the Fiend. Pretty powerful stuff when you consider there’s people that actually think that way RIGHT NOW no supernatural involved.

    • HunterWulf says:

      Well, i agree there are strong scary parallels between both shows and the recent mass shootings in the US, but not only do you need to consider both sides of the argument (like Shin Sekai is doing here) but also think of how technology could help avert such tragedies (kinda like in Psycho Pass .. well to a degree), since parenting doesn’t seem to be overall improving any time soon and taking the disturbed person to a psychological doctor to help them isn’t going to happen if the parents/neighbors/relatives don’t even notice something is wrong in the first place the only path left is to apply some tech that scans people’s psyche and mental state on regular bases .. doesn’t necessarily mean we have to apply the full Sybil “package”, but if such tech will help detect mental/psychological abnormalities in people before they manifest in form of violent senseless shootings then it’s a must-have tech (and i’m not saying they should be hurt or sent to prison for that, just get treatment and the help they need before they snap and start shooting random people around them).

      IMO putting more control on guns is surely going to help too (you rarely hear about such mass shootings in Japan or Europe where guns law is more strict and not any disturbed teenager could have access to a gun and ammo).

      Either way .. this goes to show how good the writing in Shin Sekai and Psycho Pass is.

    • Sam says:

      So… Death feedback is almost completely pointless as the main thing it’s meant to defend against, i.e. psychotic mass-murderers, render it completely ineffective… Nice one, whoever developed that idea. So now they have a system where if they somehow don’t detect that someone will become a Fiend (Which it looks like Mamoru is going to be a perfect example of) then it will most likely lead to the death of at least an entire village?

      Surely they should just get rid of death feedback at this point, or at least selectively remove it from some people and train them to guard against Fiends/criminals, aka have a police force. It’s so obvious that the current method of enforcement has failed if all they do about it is secretly eliminate potential fiends before they potentially turn. Unless they do manage to catch/stop Mamoru before it’s too late and their detection is truly flawless in its accuracy. I guess we’ll have to wait and see.

      • Scruffy says:

        They can still kill .. just not use their powers to kill. The doctor in this episode knowingly administered a lethal injection.

      • HunterWulf says:

        Death-feedback isn’t meant to counter fiends IMO, it’s meant to prevent normal people from using Cantus powers to kill other people (i.e criminals or normal people going rouge against the village), the Fiend is a special case .. still .. even with that .. don’t forget the kid seemed to be in great pain after all the murder he did .. so i suppose going into Fiend-mode and snapping maybe gave him some high resistance to pain (extra morphine from the brain maybe), but i’m sure he wasn’t ok or normal before the doctor injected him.

        Also, the cats are supposed to be those enforcers/police against fiends .. just becasue they are using them in assassinations and preemptive strikes doesn’t mean they don’t hunt down Fiends and Karma Demons with them (like how they sent two after Shun .. and since they are mutated household cats they can replace them easily).

        • Sam says:

          OK I should probably start again with a different way of explaining my viewpoint.

          If the purpose of death feedback is simply to stop criminals who aren’t fiends / karma demons, then it’s pointless at this point, as such people (i.e. the kid who interfered with the sphere game earlier) are assassinated before they can get even close to doing anything, which they arguably wouldn’t be able to do since non-fiends/karma demons would not be able to kill someone. Why are they being culled if death feedback would stop them anyway? What is the point of death feedback at this point – what will it stop? It won’t stop fiends, it won’t stop karma demons, it isn’t being used to stop criminals although it arguably would, and it prevents people from defending themselves against fiends, (And potentially queerat armies etc. but that’s uncertain for me at this point, either Satoru was getting death feedback since queerats are similar to humans or just tired from extensive use of PK if such a thing exists) before it gets out of hand.

          It’s like, in comparison to modern society, it would be like only giving psychopaths and people with mental illnesses machine guns and having nothing to stop them with but random chance, hoping that they can be lulled into a false sense of security to be killed by an injection or something, after killing potentially thousands.

          So far death feedback has done absolutely no good in the show to my knowledge. It partially caused Rijin’s death, potentially could have caused Satoru/Saki’s, I just don’t see why they would still use it.

          • larkspur says:

            It’s possible that they can’t stop using it. We have no idea how long the death feedback has been encoded into human DNA. It would probably be extremely dangerous to un-mutate the entire population.

            Anyway, the death feedback does still at least serve the purpose of stopping well-meaning people from getting into violent conflicts. It also keeps the most powerful psychics from automatically ruling over everyone else.

  4. HunterWulf says:

    Phew, that was one hell of an episode, this show really know how to create atmosphere with its mini-stories (sometimes they are more scary, impactful and artistic than the main story), specifically the story with the Fiend (as we finally get to know what a fiend is, and WHAT a FIEND it is XD) .. they story was just so simple yet one could feel the twisted, somber and dark atmosphere choking him .. the scene where the grandmother as the young nurse tries to help the Fiend kid and comes back the moment the doctor injects him with that medicine and all hell broke loose just a few meters away from her (or was it poison !!! .. wonder if they really knew what he was when they tried to help him .. or were they actually luring him in order to kill him .. gaaah .. my head hurts).

    On the other hand the story of the Karma Demon girl wasn’t as scary but it was melancholic and very sad, it lost a lot of its edge due to it being a smaller version of Shin’s story but you still can’t help feel very sorry for the girl while she is slowly starting to realize how she is messing everything and everyone around her up unintentionally … the story still manages to have an impact.

    Well, now we finally know the full difference between a Fiend (one who consciously uses his/her Cantus to butcher and kill everyone in sight due to a mental/psychological breakdown) while a Karma Fiend is (someone whose Cantus grows so powerful it starts acting pretty much on its own warping and twisting reality around them), now i wonder how that ties with Mamoru’s disappearance (due one very bad joke by Maria), and also with Saki’s foreshadowing foreboding comment regarding how Maria will cause countless deaths and it might have been better if she was never born (who would wish their best friend is never born unless they did something unspeakably evil !!!!).

    Maybe something bad will happen to Mamoru and Maria will in turn transform into a Fiend after a mental breakdown.

    • Scruffy says:

      Re: The joke by Maria. That was an error by the fansubs. Marmoru made the joke not Maria

      • HunterWulf says:

        Wait, but if he is the one who made the bad joke, why did he get scared and run away .. besides .. i have never seen anything that suggests that Mamuro is the type to tell jokes to impress girls (most of the time he is just worrying about something, drawing Maria or just sitting there silently).

        It would make more sense that Maria tried to tease him with a bad/tasteless joke and didn’t foresee how he might overreact and be scared by it enough to run away .. i don’t see how it works if it was the other way around.

        • kuromitsu says:

          Eh? Mamoru didn’t try to tell a joke to impress Maria. He said what he was afraid of, but he tried to make it seem like a joke so Maria wouldn’t be worried. Except it was obvious to Maria that he wasn’t joking.

          Maria joking to him wouldn’t make sense at all. She’s always been very protective of Mamoru, last episode she even told Saki and Satoru to drop the whole memory manipulation topic so it wouldn’t upset Mamoru. It wouldn’t make sense for her to make such cruel jokes at his expense.

          (Also, this is not really up to debate – Maria making the joke IS a mistranslation.)

  5. Entrav says:

    Amazing atmosphere and suspense yet again. It reminds me of when the older Saki said that if Maria weren’t born then untold numbers would have been saved. I wonder if this is the start of a catastrophe?

  6. dango says:

    Genius episode, loved the understanding the fiend and karma demons, behind this. Love the psychological horror aspect to it, its not too common in anime now, but it sure is fun to see it again. I also love how the everything behind each of the circumstances are all set up, and given enough of explanation. Still my favorite series for the fall season.

  7. JustPlain says:

    Total anti-climax of an episode: resolving the system – Group One conflict with making Saki next head. Now they are going to resolve hopefully the Group One conflict as well before the season ends I don’t want to wait for season 2 with a cliff hanger :/
    Still this is the best show this season. Damn so GOOOOD!!!

  8. lily says:

    Did anyone notice how Ryou’s right eye shake or vibrate when he said, “Not to mention we used to be together for such a long time” at 18:26? Maybe some sort of side affect from the memory change?

    • Tanukichan says:

      Yeah, that happened last episode too with Saki and Satoru. I thought it had something to do with the memory manipulation too, but maybe it’s something that will be explained later.

    • imredjimmy says:

      Yeah I noticed that too! I’m pretty sure it’s a side effect from the memory change.

  9. Jack says:

    Too much exposition of stuff we already knew… And I don’t really like how they’re setting up this whole future!stazi thing like “a necessary evil”. C’mon, this is a society that constantly polices the thoughts and actions of every single child (we do not know enough about adult society to know what’s it like), and rids itself of the ones that are found wanting: we’ve seen numerous examples of children being “disposed of” long before they could’ve turned into a fiend/karma demon (remember the main groups fifth child?). Is it any wonder that some children growing up in that atmosphere would go nuts? (Note how Shun’s behavior changed after his experience in summer camp: obviously him turning into a Karma Demon was the product of those events).

    And despite all secrecy and the cheery “atmosphere” at the surface, we’ve seen how the children internalize the paranoia that their society is immersed in. Hate to incur in Godwin’s Law, but I think this is an example where the nazi comparison is perfectly justified: this shows’ setting really feels like the logical conclusion of a fascistic civilisation ruled by eugenics.

    Funny thing about the SS grandma’s discourse, she never once alluded to the possibility of phasing out the canti from the human population – this is a society created by scientists, after all. How come they simply didn’t remove that single dangerous trait from the population, rather than try and mold an entire society to contain its dangerous effects?

  10. dango says:

    Jack your reading into the scenario way too much, though the society enforces these rules I don’t think that is the reason for him turning into a karma demon, it may be a factor didn’t you see the examples of the stories given by his grandmother that the ones most susceptible were the one who were the nicest. I don’t think that this was all driven by paranoia, though this is IMO. anyways it is a cruel system that the show has created. Though I really love this show and psycho pass there definitely needs more psychological shows, brings something more variable to the table and more creative ideas are uncovered this way. Definitely what made the fall season so interesting. (I talk a lot more then before it must because I’m on winter break and want to enjoy a bit of my time, before I have to go study again..)

    • Spike says:

      If you can’t see that this show is exploring an extreme way that humans would deal with a major threat (in this case supernatural) and use it to actually THINK about how YOU would react then yes, this is simple fluff entertainment. Perhaps anime isn’t for you. I’m sure you love Jersey Shore and the like.

      Replace ‘Cantus users’ with ‘Terrorists’: Remove them before they become a threat? Check. Protect the many from the dangerous few? Check. Remove those with views differing/dangerous to the majority? Check.

      Most writers don’t just fire off some random thing out of nowhere, there’s usually a reason why they chose a certain message or plot point.

  11. Arno says:

    OMG if you begin to see connections with real life events then you are deeply skrewed by anime, and you must hurry back to school.

    The first step in literacy in history is not to confuse it with fiction, and the first step in literacy in fiction is to accept it as fiction.

    This is just a cheap show meant to fascinate pre-teens, there is at least one of those every year and the recipe will always be the same : a context of “magic and shit, whatever ash-pull” and then lots of abuse for shock-value.

    By the way it is the same for Western movies, when you see abuse scenes you can be pretty sure the director added them because he knew his story suked.

  12. Arno says:

    “Pre-teens” because they are the only ones who will rebel against obvious common sense, and insist they find fascinating depth in a show presenting high-heeled wolves called cats.

    “Pre-teens” because you can sling to them any awfully bad animation and they will still call it “the best anime ever” and drool over it endlessly on forums. Provided there is cruelty against children in it.

    • wakka9ca says:

      So can you elaborate more on what is not a “pre-teen” anime by your definition? Some examples are appreciated.

      • HunterWulf says:

        Don’t bother, he is trying so hard but still it’s obvious he is trolling.

        • imredjimmy says:

          He hates the show so much, yet he comments on every single episode review. Wow, he sure has a lot of time to waste. I wish there would be a place to dump all the trolls so they could annoy each other instead of us.

          • seizonsha says:

            I would like to know how he would defend his position when considering that this is based on a novel by a celebrated Horror and SciFi author who writes for a very much adult audience…

      • wakka9ca says:

        @seizonsha: Not to mention the novel is a winner of the Japan SF Taisho Award, which along with the Japanese Nebula Awards, are the equivalent of the American Nebula Awards, one of the most prestigious SF literary prize.

        • wakka9ca says:

          And also it’s okay to criticize since there are certainly flaws. However, you have to backup your argument and provide response when the opposite side ask you some questions. I guess it’s too bad there is just random hate probably stemming from homophobic behavior triggered by episode 8.

  13. Kamen Grinder says:

    Infodumping. Someone translates the book so I can drop this joke.

  14. NEG says:

    MARIA RETARDED.

    She already caused a disaster.

    :(

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Dye their hair, make things confusing ;)
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@Anon, hahahaha, cool joke bro.....
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Lenlo
The one with red hair of course
Anonymous765953
rem? who's that?
Lenlo
Having read the books, theres afew inconsistencies and I dont like some of the choices for actors.
Kaiser Eoghan
*couldn't
Kaiser Eoghan
Buh buh but Aiiiidan you still have the koe no katachi movie and thaaats kyoani =P But lol phantom world was so poor I couldn't get past the second episode. A shame that they could go with the darker spin the author ended up apparently going for in later volumes.
AidanAK47
@Lenlo, I am currently eh on it as well. Only at the second episode so far. I find it interesting but it has a lot of things that turn me off.
Lenlo
7 YEARS I SAT ON THAT BOAT!

Still havnt finished Flip Flappers. I like it, its pretty, each episode is different, but I can barely tell what the over-arching narrative is and thats a big deal to me
Lenlo
ITS REAL
Lenlo
BOAT TIER
Lenlo
@Aidan, Series of Unfortunate Events was eh. I wasnt a big fan of the TV adaptation, though I did like Neil Patrick Harris
Kaiser Eoghan
@Lenlo: BOAT TIER lmao.
Kaiser Eoghan
Thats why I LOVED flippflappers so much, where else can I get THAT anywhere, totally its own thing/beast.
Lenlo
My big ones for the year were easily Rakugo and Re:Zero. Disappointments, biggest one is Berserk. Ive been following it for years, have the entire series on my shelf, and I watched it like a captain going down with his ship
Kaiser Eoghan
At the same time well, yes its still good to see a non-highschool story in ANYTHING.
Kaiser Eoghan
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I could see myself getting some oldskool charm out of alderman if I watched it. I was waiting for yuri on ice to be dubbed. Drifters for all its problems was some of the most fun I've had in ages.
Kaiser Eoghan
The only thing I saw that I truly abhorred though was the new shinkai film.
Kaiser Eoghan
Most of the other stuff I didn't really bother watching. Its pointless for me to shit on about 91 days and re:zero because I was guaranteed to dislike both before seeing either.
Kaiser Eoghan
Biggest disappointments for me were erased , berserk and joker game. Whereas my surprise was lost passage. My favourites of the year were flippflappers and Rakugo. I wanted Kabaneri and dimesion w to save anime and bring back some oldskool charm but that didn't happen.
AidanAK47
Alright I spent over an hour formatting this thing and now I am knackered. Readers, this summery is over 23 pages long so be prepared as this thing is pretty huge. Don't say you were not warned.
AidanAK47
@Kaiser, Watch it. I bet it will be up your alley.
Kaiser Eoghan
Thats a problem with adaptations, put a voice on certain characters and it can become irritating.
Kaiser Eoghan
And to be fair on scums wish, that it deals with the sex bit in a teen story, well that makes it more daring and thats points for it.
Kaiser Eoghan
@Aidan: Largely stayed away from that series as I assumed it was for young children.
Kaiser Eoghan
@Aidan: Additionally the relationships in that manga got too convoluted, the comedy stands out worse in the anime too. Still though I DO dig the idea behind the show of two kids who are in a fake relationship.
AidanAK47
@Kaiser, you think that's hard to watch try watching Netflix's A series of unfortunate events. Because boy do I want to brutally murder the banker and his family. That may sound severe to you but trust me, you will feel likewise.
Kaiser Eoghan
@Aidan: You were right about it being harder to watch scums wish than read it. I want to hit the twin tails girl with a hatchet.
Kaiser Eoghan
I'm laughing now remembering an old ANN review where they stated golgo 13 was a stress reliever for 30 something Japanese office workers, I get that so much more now lol
Kaiser Eoghan
But seriously violence in fiction, anime/manga included is so damn therapeutic.
Kaiser Eoghan
As such I genuinely was able to enjoy the new M night shaylman flick lol
Kaiser Eoghan
Venting here largely because I can, I now imagine the teenage/twenty something audience members at horror/thriller films as the victims in the films, makes it more tolerable to deal with their existence in the cinema.
Lenlo
I cant help but feel theres some cultural aspect I am missing to the Rakugo rant scene. Makes me sad.
Lenlo
Rakugo, continues to be great and gets another time skip. Im always surprised by how engrossing it is just listening to these people talk.
Lenlo
Makes me sad, just like Berserk. Got an entire shelf dedicated to it but its just so slow. stupid boat.
Lenlo
Vagabond was phenomenal, but its been on hiatus for years now hasnt it
Kaiser Eoghan
....well without spoiling towards the middle of that rakugo episode and all throughout during that middle part, my opinion on Yotaro's character went far up.
Kaiser Eoghan
Struggling to remember the name of that josei samurai manga from the 90s (or earlier 2000s), had a gender bending theme.
Kaiser Eoghan
I've already read kenshin and vagabond, I loved shigurui death frenzy and sword of the stranger but found samurai champloo uneven. Theres a kagemusha manga but I haven't read it and I've yet to see/read blade of the immortal.
Kaiser Eoghan
At a glance I'll go against the grain and say I think demi-chan is funnier than konosuba, going on one episode of each.
I've been watching a fare share of samurai films in the last two years and lately so I'm open to wathing more anime/reading manga dealing with samurai.
SuperMario
Hand Shakers, how I love to watch it jumping off the cliff. This show contains lines like "I don't understand... even if I did understand... but I don't understand." It isn't a dialogue that we encounter too often I'm sure.
AidanAK47
@Mario, Sounds good to me. With me covering Little Witch Academia, Saga of Tanya the evil and Rakugo this season is well covered.
SuperMario
so I've decided to blog 3-gatsu, Scum's Wish and ACCA this season. A bit worry about the latter as I still don't have much to talk about that. Let's try it and see what happens; I say
SuperMario
Okay, I'm not hot on Onihei this week, as if the main theme about these two episodes were "people can be corrupted" then I'm not buying it. ACCA, on the other hand, was still very solid of building up the world and its big events to come.
AidanAK47
I have played all the big roguelikes and found they have the same problem. I argee on procedural generation. Even if the map is different every time you are essentailly going through the same rooms and doing the same things.
Masky
Though to be honest, I don't like procedural(or designed room and then game connects them randomly) games much. I much enjoy hand designed dungeons since I rarely play games through more than once anyway so roguelike's appeal of "Every time you play it through its different!" doesn't appeal to me much and hand designed dungeons are much more memorable
Masky
Can't really comment further on that since I don't know which roguelikes you have played, and neither I have played gungeon so I don't know if its badly designed to the point you can't do anything if rng says so. Though I guess there is nothing wrong about liking luck based games, if roguelike in question is truly unbeatable if rng says so, well, its really badly designed one if you ask me.
AidanAK47
Take my last run. Made it up to the fourth floor. Got plenty of guns but none were really useful. Even then ran out of ammo for all of them and the game was cheap about giving out ammo. Plenty of money but shops with nothing worth buying. Over 5 heart containers but no goddamn health. Died on the boss because I rolled out of a bullet into another bullet. Pretty much unavoidable.
AidanAK47
@Masky, that's the theory but in pretty much every roguelike I played its not the case. If the RNG decides you are going to have a bad time then you are going to have a bad time. Skill can only bring you so far. I have played this game for 7 hours and I know I could have finished it in 2. Only thing stopping me is a dice roll.
Masky
Like, the thing with roguelikes is that they can get easier/harder depending on luck, but well done one should be completable even without any upgrades at all if you are skilled enough.
Masky
Thats not the really case with roguelikes though, unless game design is bad and includes insta kill traps and such that are unavoidable if you are unlucky
AidanAK47
I hate roguelikes. Been playing enter the Gungeon and I just lost all patience with it. Getting real tired of my victory being decided by a RNG. It never feels satisfying to finish a roguelike because I know my victory was determined by pure luck.
AidanAK47
So we got to rely on fansubs for it when it's airing.
AidanAK47
@Mario, Nope. I think because netflix only puts up full seasons they are only planning to put it up when it's finished airing. Or when it's dubbed.
SuperMario
But how does the Netflix thing work? So of I have a Netflix account I can watch the show weekly?
SuperMario
@Aidan: that's a dumb way to do things really because unless you watch the show weekly, everyone gonna forget that it even exist. Just look at Re-Life last year
Lenlo
thought*. Words are hard.

Eventually found the actual first ep though and enjoyed it.
Lenlo
Was funny. I tried to find the first Ep for Little Witch, found original short made afew years ago, watched it and though "This is very similar to the original... Whats new".
AidanAK47
Little witch is one of the best shows this season and yet I can't get subtitles because Netflix doesn't release shows weekly. Motherf*cker.
Lenlo
Ore Monogatari I enjoyed. It was a nice romance that actually explored what happens after the confession. Also the 2 leads are just precious.
Lenlo
Alright but unmemorable seems like a good summation.
SuperMario
@Lenlo: one good thing about Seiren is if you don't like this romance, the whole thing gonna reset after episode 4 so there's a chance that you might end up like it. Agreed that the comedy wasn't very good. Alright but unmemorable
SuperMario
@Topgavin: I watched like first 3 episodes and stopped because I didn't have much time there, but I enjoyed what I saw. A well-written and endearing show in my book
Topgavin
Has anyone here watched Ore Monogatari before? Because in the 4 years I've watched anime, I've never heard of it (I guess it did come out 2 years ago) and yet it's turning out to be one of my favorite shows. Always great going into a show expecting nothing and getting pleasantly surprised.
AidanAK47
Only one more impression to go. Should have it up tomorrow.
Lenlo
Im really not feeling Seiren. Its "comedy" isnt for me and I just dont find it very enjoyable to watch so far. Im curious if it gets any better but 2 episodes in it just isnt that good.
HelghastKillzone
That ending scene is an entire side-story compressed into that. Don't expect anymore of it from here on out as the it sticks to ruthless military/fantasy pretty well.
LookingForKeys
@Topgavin I think it was good, making it the second episode. That way the first set up the world the story will be in, and showed how much of a monster the "little girl" really is right at the end, and then made ep.2 the explanation. Nothing against Tanya trying to rip "God" a new one.
That after-credits scene, though...
SuperMario
Hmm, as much as I like Seiren's omnibus format, it doesn't turn out really hot this second episode. Demi-chan, on the other hand, still maintains its endearing tone. Might blogging Demi-chan instead
Topgavin
Yeah, that second episode was much better than the first. Dunno why they didn't start with that to be honest, waste of an opportunity for a good hook episode. The voice for the main girl still sounds weird to me though; I get it's supposed to sound weird because it symbolizes 'her' being out of place and her personality and body being a mismatch, but it'll certainly take some getting used to.
AidanAK47
Youjo Senki, now we are talking. Like Helghast said, Did the god scene way better than the LN and manga. Made it less comedic and more intimidating.
Lenlo
Oh man that Rakugo intro. Not sure what to think, but first time seeing it I liked it
Kaiser Eoghan
I sort of like good will hunting because I kind of saw a bit of myself in Damon's character when I watched it ages ago.
Kaiser Eoghan
@Mario: Remaking psycho and ruining the shower scene, for shame van sant, for shame.
Kaiser Eoghan
Its easy to ripoff some obscure thing though and get away with it. The dogtooth director essentially stole an old Mexican film to make that.
SuperMario
@Kaiser: yeah, that following some guys from behind like they were on a RPG games, which I think actually fit with the tones of Elephant. I have such mixed feeling with Gus van Sant too. Don't really think he's a great director.
Kaiser Eoghan
@Mario: Although Istvan Szabo is probably a little more well known for that Mephisto film that updates the Faust story. Zoltan Fabri's the fifth seal is a very thought provoking war movie.
Kaiser Eoghan
@Mario: I remember seeing a film documentary that featured Gus van sant in one section, they showed clips of tarrs films, Sant ripped of the cinematography and stole the style from some British short film to make Elephant.
SuperMario
@Kaiser: agree on the other Hungarian filmmakers, I don't know much about them either.
Kaiser Eoghan
@Mario: Scorsese's Silence was a big comeback. I really really emotionally connect with spiritual crisis stories.
SuperMario
@kaiser: yep, definitely check wreckmeister down. Althought I admit that watching his 2-hour plus films will feel like 5-hour anyways
Kaiser Eoghan
@Mario: I'm more tolerant of darker teenage/coming of age films/stories. Les Demons was a big surprise.
Kaiser Eoghan
@Mario: Though its kind of frustrating, I do think Tarr probably takes attention away from other hungarian filmakers because no-body knows who the hell the others are.
Kaiser Eoghan
@Mario: Man, wreckmeister was so visually arresting I started getting dreams from it.
Kaiser Eoghan
@Mario: I would consider Tarr to be kind of a poor mans Janco, Angelopolus and Tarkvosky rolled into one. I don't entirely "get" wreckmeister and man from London but they are great atmospheric mood piece experiences.
SuperMario
@Kaiser: I had been wanting to watch Belar Tarr's Turin Horse and Werckmeister Harmonies for so long now. Well, Fat Girl is shocking haha, but I'm normally drawn into those kind of films anyway.
SuperMario
@Kaiser: Margaret took like 5,6 years to release because he couldn't cut it down in the way he wanted. The final cut if I remembered correctly was edited by Martin Scorsese
Kaiser Eoghan
@Mario: Only a HDcam for moonlight now.
Kaiser Eoghan
I looks like my lineup is witch academia, rakugo and youjo senki, well the most latter one until I get bored.
Kaiser Eoghan
@Mario: I sense a directors cut for manchester, it feels like it need another 30 minutes.
SuperMario
@Kaiser: right up my valley. Watch Kenneth Lonergan's previous works Magaret and You Can Count on Me. Magaret is very messy but have a raw dialogue and interactions as well
SuperMario
Now the first episodes are over, I will keep on covering 3-gatsu, as for the other twos atm I have 3 options: 1) full romance/anti-romance high school Seiren/Scum's Wish. 2) slice-of-life moe monster girls Demi-chan/Maid Dragon and 3) Mature,dark Onihen/Acca (which although I like them I don't have much to talk about).If you guys have any preference on which shows you like covered then let me know
Kaiser Eoghan
@Helghast: At this point I'm watching youjo senki as an entertaining guilty pleasure.
Kaiser Eoghan
@Mario: Too many reboots upcoming, will wait for the dvds instead. I want to explore more of manchester by the sea's director's work. I also want to finally get more into Bela Tarr's stuff.
Kaiser Eoghan
@Mario: I was rather shocked by A Ma souer/fat girls final act. Scenes with the Italian in the bedroom were initially creepy.
SuperMario
@Kaiser: it's a nice review Kaiser, a bit jealous with you that you've seen those 3 films which are touted as the best films of 2016. Also Fat Girl, haha, I love that movie.
Kaiser Eoghan
Poor yotaro =< you have so much stuff going down on you =<
HelghastKillzone
Youjo Senki episode was so good today. That revamped scene with God just fitted so right.
AidanAK47
A official release of that game in the west is apparently coming but it's been a few years and not much news about it.
Kaiser Eoghan
@Aidan: Ah yes that was the one.
AidanAK47
@Kaiser, Had to think for a moment on that one but I think I was talking about this. https://vndb.org/v3144
Kaiser Eoghan
Now I'd hardly consider myself a studio trigger fan, but I watched the first witch academia episode there, it was actually kind of fun, got the same reaction from me as flipflappers did, that magical, special feeling.
Kaiser Eoghan
@Mario: I also, of interest reviewed Kenneth Lonegrans new film: http://letterboxd.com/shao_liu_ringon/film/manchester-by-the-sea/
Kaiser Eoghan
@Mario: Moonlight got some feels out of me though it could of been more, it ends abruptly and with 20 extra minutes they could have spent a bit more time on each section of his life.
Kaiser Eoghan
@Mario: I checked out lala land, ending was very well executed, one of three scenes in the film that were impressive visually. The whole thing looked pretty and Gosling and Stone had some decent chemistry. Although it didn't resonate emotionally as strongly as the musicals of Jacques Demi did.
Kaiser Eoghan
MOM I want aiyoku no eustia and I want it now.
Kaiser Eoghan
I've never heard of himawari or tokyo babel. The hellsing comparison at least interests me in dies irae. What was the name of that visual novel again that was coming out soon, Aidan you described it as "And Kaiser would love it because its supposed to be really fucked up".
Kaiser Eoghan
I vaguely remember the anime for 11 eyes, it was very forgettable, even the voice acting was poor, hated the childhood friends and the pacing was poor, those black knight things were kind of interesting though.
Kaiser Eoghan
@Aidan: You'll have to add me onto the list of those unsatisfied with the ever 17 writer, I read one of those games and felt it was a bunch of interesting bait that never paid off.
AidanAK47
Anyway I plan on doing a review of 11eyes here when I finish it.
AidanAK47
Can't say I was a fan of Ever17. That was a really good twist but when it came to explaining it their was a lot of contrived development. Generally not a fan of the writer. Looseboy, Ryukishi, Gen and Nasu are more my kinda thing
AidanAK47
@Anon, it is nice that so many VNs are on steam but I wish they wouldn't be stupid with the whole no adult content thing. Not so much for myself but to prevent idiots from writing negitives reviews because the game doesn't have sex. VNs can grip you in a way anime simply can't and while they require pathence and time those can be some pretty powerful stories.
Anonymous678956
@Aidan, I am so happy steam's so VN-friendly now. I think it's a very good type of media. Like anime, it has nice visuals, music and some movement but also the inner monologue and text amount of books. It's the perfect combination. Plus, the routes, which are often puzzle pieces and PoVs you have to go through to understand the whole story. True routes like the one of Ever17 blew my mind.
AidanAK47
Hopefully the two VNs I bought of steam turn out better. Tokyo Babel is supposed to be alright and I heard really good things about Himawari.
AidanAK47
I am about a third of the way through the game and really not much of worth has happened. The concept is interesting but the execution is sorely lacking.
AidanAK47
I went in expecting it to be a mixed bag and it's pretty below my expectations. It's just not really well written and the protagonist is a moron. THere isn't really routes and instead you are pretty much stuck with his childhood friend as the main love interest. Problem with that is her character begins and ends with loving the main.
Anonymous675376
@Aidan, damn. 11Eyes is on my reading list as well. Although I almost expected it to not be as good as I thought it'd be (back then). Guess I would have enjoyed it if I was able to read it while the (shitty) adaption aired, maybe I have seen/read too many series by now. Guess I'll still give it a try some day though.
AidanAK47
@Anon, I haven't heard the OST or watched the intro video. I only know it be reputation and have decided to walk into it as blind as I can. Still slightly worried as I was somewhat looking forward to reading 11Eyes for a couple of years and now that I am reading it it's well...not good.
Anonymous675376
@Aidan, same here. I was waiting years for this, since I saw the intro video for the first time. Also, that OST!
HelghastKillzone
Youjo Senki is already leagues better than Izetta. It's going to be top anime of forever and ever. (maybe not)
AidanAK47
And finally Dies Irae is funded. May actually be able to play and finish the game before the anime airs. If the hype is real behind this baby it could be a new personal favorite Visual Novel of mine. Already looking promising with it being like a cross between Hellsing and Fate/Stay Night. Two things I most certainly like.
Lenlo
@Masky, in regards to style over substance thats where im at with Gurrne Lagann.
Topgavin
Yeah, I'll probably watch the next episode to see whether it can redeem itself. Hopefully it can but considering 1st episodes usually get a lot of budget, there's some severe doubt in there.
AidanAK47
I actually argee with character designs and voices are bad in regards to female characters. Still the next episode might change your mind if we get more into the main characters head.
Anonymous671470
It's boring
Topgavin
Also, it seems I disagree with a lot of people in thinking Youjo Senki will be a massive trainwreck. The character designs are awful, the voice acting is mismatched but most of all the premise just seems so very dumb. If I wanted to watch a badass kill people I'd go watch Hellsing or Drifters, because at least those don't have some op, disproportionate loli as the mc.
AidanAK47
Gets even more complicated when you account for Satire and Parody. You could equally argue all examples listed as being as such.
AidanAK47
Little Witch Academia is a decontruction of Harry Potter....I don't believe that but honestly if I tried I could put some reasoning behind that statement.
Topgavin
In the end, it always comes down to opinion (as with every discussion about anime, for some reason). You could spin any and every series as a "deconstruction", which is why people shy away from using the word. You could argue NGE, Madoka and Re:Zero are all deconstructions yet also argue Gundam, Precure and SAO are depending on what points you weigh more importantly.
Masky
Like, if deconstruction is supposed to be just "break the elements and then play story how it would realistically go down" well I haven't watched NGE, but as far as I know it does have stuff that isn't typical to mecha genre besides the "It would fuck up kids" thing plus "realistically how it would play out" is pretty subjective thing. I mean, its mainly about how cynical bastard the writer is :P
Masky
Like I said, I don't fully agree with it because I find video's speaker's attitude annoying, but I found it semi convincing. Main thing I don't find convincing about it is that I don't think its hard to turn video's own arguments agaisnt it and say that by its own logic NGE isn't deconstruction either, like Aidan just said earlier
Masky
And I don't really have energy for checking out the "correct" one. If there even is one. Anyway, the hipster video I was talking about was titled "What Actually Is A Deconstruction?" if you want to check it out.
Masky
Hmm, well, it does depend on definition you use. Like if you use "realistic" thing, well, Magical Girl shows don't usually have "You turn into monsters" thing going on and reason why NGE's pilots go crazy is from dangerous situations rather than evas making them do so. But honestly, I don't really have strong opinion on matter since word seems to be one of those with several different meaning
SuperMario
for me Madoka IS a deconstruction of Magical girl, and yeah like what Aidan said
SuperMario
I think part of Utena is a deconstruction of "prince riding horse and save the girl" because that notion is just a foundation for Utena to become a prince herself and save other girl. That's breaking it apart and resemble it again in its own way. Don't have to be dark/ don't have to be real either
AidanAK47
@Masky, That's just debating semantics. Besides that difinition would pretty much mean that Neon Genesis Evangelion isn't a decontruction either. Madoka isn't a decontruction because it's dark. It's more in its aspects of criticising why a girl should throw her ordinary life away for something as dangerous as being a magical girl. It does take plenty of the typical tropes and turn them on its head
SuperMario
@Masky: Genre deconstruction is such a tricky word that I normally try to avoid using because there's really no set characteristic about the term and different people have different opinions about what constitute "deconstruction". For me, I disagree that deconstruction have to be dark and real, hmm can't say it well but I will give you an example:
Masky
But yeah, I guess I could try to find the video if you guys are interested, though like I said, I got hipsterish feel from the video and felt rather annoyed through it even though I did get what the point was and found it sort of convincing besides my annoyance
Masky
(not that liking NGE is hipsterish, its just that I find NGE to be more style than substance sort of series <_< Anyway, guy didn't dislike madoka or anything, he just seemed to dislike people using word deconstruction wrong in his opinion)
Masky
(especially with how much they seemed to praise Neon Genesis Evangelion)
Masky
I mean, I think the guy was being somewhat hipsterish, but its true the being darker take on genre isn't same as deconstructing the genre
Masky
@AidanAK47: Some other guy on youtube did video that had actually pretty good point about how Madoka isn't really deconstruction, if you go by definition of "Break it down to parts and then play them straight to show how horrifying it would be in real life"
Anonymous670441
Gente - Ristorante no Hitobito
Kaiser Eoghan
If anything its the hate I have for certain characters that makes it more effective.
Kaiser Eoghan
The obsessional level of attachment is just uncomfortable to me, I don't want to get THAT attached to a non-real character.
Kaiser Eoghan
Its literally just a case of "Okay lets look at this picture of this character, she looks interesting, no feelings or expression from me, apply this fetish, fap, get release, go home. "
Kaiser Eoghan
Or drooling/dribbling/heavy breathing/grinning over the characters. I abhor alot of the anime girls I find attractive or am indifferent, even when looking at ecchi/hentai drawings I'm straight and clinical with it.
Kaiser Eoghan
I mean to each their own. But I really hate the level of emotion/devotion to moe/finding the characters attractive. Such as celebrating their birthdays, going on about how cute/hot they are, how important it is that they're virgins. Or not being being self-aware of how irritating the characters are.
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