Posted by psgels on 17 December 2012 with categories: From the New World

Holy crap… a chain is only as strong as its weakest link. This show definitely put that saying into a different perspective. I mean heck, this is just a horror series in disguise. The whole story about that one kid who went crazy actually nearly freaked me out, that’s how good it was. Very, very dark psychological horror.

But with this I also feel so sorry for the people who all had to solve this and clean up, being forced to put so many constraining rules on the village. This was the first time the series showed the story from their perspective. And also their fear of some other kid freaking out. And the thing is that this series has been slowly building up someone for that role: Mamoru.

What’s more, Saki is being forced in the role of a leader now. I can only imagine how different the second half of this series will be, when she is actually put into that position, and forced to make the same incredibly difficult decisions. This show is cruel. Very cruel.
Rating: 6/8 (Awesome)

37 Responses

  1. Silty says:

    Did anyone else feel the parallel between this show and Psycho Pass? Especially the quantification of psychological stability.

  2. wakka9ca says:

    Notice the foreshadowing in the first few episodes. Remember who read the Fiend and Karma Demon stories in class?

    • Scruffy says:

      The narrator has already said (can’t remember which episode) that Maria would cause a lot of deaths. I assume that she’s going to turn fiend, perhaps if something happens to Mamoru?

  3. Spike says:

    Worse then that, did anyone else feel the parallel between this, psycho pass, AND current events?! Reading through comments online for these recent mass shootings / stabbings some people are sounding SCARILY close to the villagers. I read one comment “these crazy people should be eliminated before they become a threat”. I literally got chills as I heard the villagers rational after the appearence of the Fiend. Pretty powerful stuff when you consider there’s people that actually think that way RIGHT NOW no supernatural involved.

    • HunterWulf says:

      Well, i agree there are strong scary parallels between both shows and the recent mass shootings in the US, but not only do you need to consider both sides of the argument (like Shin Sekai is doing here) but also think of how technology could help avert such tragedies (kinda like in Psycho Pass .. well to a degree), since parenting doesn’t seem to be overall improving any time soon and taking the disturbed person to a psychological doctor to help them isn’t going to happen if the parents/neighbors/relatives don’t even notice something is wrong in the first place the only path left is to apply some tech that scans people’s psyche and mental state on regular bases .. doesn’t necessarily mean we have to apply the full Sybil “package”, but if such tech will help detect mental/psychological abnormalities in people before they manifest in form of violent senseless shootings then it’s a must-have tech (and i’m not saying they should be hurt or sent to prison for that, just get treatment and the help they need before they snap and start shooting random people around them).

      IMO putting more control on guns is surely going to help too (you rarely hear about such mass shootings in Japan or Europe where guns law is more strict and not any disturbed teenager could have access to a gun and ammo).

      Either way .. this goes to show how good the writing in Shin Sekai and Psycho Pass is.

    • Sam says:

      So… Death feedback is almost completely pointless as the main thing it’s meant to defend against, i.e. psychotic mass-murderers, render it completely ineffective… Nice one, whoever developed that idea. So now they have a system where if they somehow don’t detect that someone will become a Fiend (Which it looks like Mamoru is going to be a perfect example of) then it will most likely lead to the death of at least an entire village?

      Surely they should just get rid of death feedback at this point, or at least selectively remove it from some people and train them to guard against Fiends/criminals, aka have a police force. It’s so obvious that the current method of enforcement has failed if all they do about it is secretly eliminate potential fiends before they potentially turn. Unless they do manage to catch/stop Mamoru before it’s too late and their detection is truly flawless in its accuracy. I guess we’ll have to wait and see.

      • Scruffy says:

        They can still kill .. just not use their powers to kill. The doctor in this episode knowingly administered a lethal injection.

      • HunterWulf says:

        Death-feedback isn’t meant to counter fiends IMO, it’s meant to prevent normal people from using Cantus powers to kill other people (i.e criminals or normal people going rouge against the village), the Fiend is a special case .. still .. even with that .. don’t forget the kid seemed to be in great pain after all the murder he did .. so i suppose going into Fiend-mode and snapping maybe gave him some high resistance to pain (extra morphine from the brain maybe), but i’m sure he wasn’t ok or normal before the doctor injected him.

        Also, the cats are supposed to be those enforcers/police against fiends .. just becasue they are using them in assassinations and preemptive strikes doesn’t mean they don’t hunt down Fiends and Karma Demons with them (like how they sent two after Shun .. and since they are mutated household cats they can replace them easily).

        • Sam says:

          OK I should probably start again with a different way of explaining my viewpoint.

          If the purpose of death feedback is simply to stop criminals who aren’t fiends / karma demons, then it’s pointless at this point, as such people (i.e. the kid who interfered with the sphere game earlier) are assassinated before they can get even close to doing anything, which they arguably wouldn’t be able to do since non-fiends/karma demons would not be able to kill someone. Why are they being culled if death feedback would stop them anyway? What is the point of death feedback at this point – what will it stop? It won’t stop fiends, it won’t stop karma demons, it isn’t being used to stop criminals although it arguably would, and it prevents people from defending themselves against fiends, (And potentially queerat armies etc. but that’s uncertain for me at this point, either Satoru was getting death feedback since queerats are similar to humans or just tired from extensive use of PK if such a thing exists) before it gets out of hand.

          It’s like, in comparison to modern society, it would be like only giving psychopaths and people with mental illnesses machine guns and having nothing to stop them with but random chance, hoping that they can be lulled into a false sense of security to be killed by an injection or something, after killing potentially thousands.

          So far death feedback has done absolutely no good in the show to my knowledge. It partially caused Rijin’s death, potentially could have caused Satoru/Saki’s, I just don’t see why they would still use it.

          • larkspur says:

            It’s possible that they can’t stop using it. We have no idea how long the death feedback has been encoded into human DNA. It would probably be extremely dangerous to un-mutate the entire population.

            Anyway, the death feedback does still at least serve the purpose of stopping well-meaning people from getting into violent conflicts. It also keeps the most powerful psychics from automatically ruling over everyone else.

  4. HunterWulf says:

    Phew, that was one hell of an episode, this show really know how to create atmosphere with its mini-stories (sometimes they are more scary, impactful and artistic than the main story), specifically the story with the Fiend (as we finally get to know what a fiend is, and WHAT a FIEND it is XD) .. they story was just so simple yet one could feel the twisted, somber and dark atmosphere choking him .. the scene where the grandmother as the young nurse tries to help the Fiend kid and comes back the moment the doctor injects him with that medicine and all hell broke loose just a few meters away from her (or was it poison !!! .. wonder if they really knew what he was when they tried to help him .. or were they actually luring him in order to kill him .. gaaah .. my head hurts).

    On the other hand the story of the Karma Demon girl wasn’t as scary but it was melancholic and very sad, it lost a lot of its edge due to it being a smaller version of Shin’s story but you still can’t help feel very sorry for the girl while she is slowly starting to realize how she is messing everything and everyone around her up unintentionally … the story still manages to have an impact.

    Well, now we finally know the full difference between a Fiend (one who consciously uses his/her Cantus to butcher and kill everyone in sight due to a mental/psychological breakdown) while a Karma Fiend is (someone whose Cantus grows so powerful it starts acting pretty much on its own warping and twisting reality around them), now i wonder how that ties with Mamoru’s disappearance (due one very bad joke by Maria), and also with Saki’s foreshadowing foreboding comment regarding how Maria will cause countless deaths and it might have been better if she was never born (who would wish their best friend is never born unless they did something unspeakably evil !!!!).

    Maybe something bad will happen to Mamoru and Maria will in turn transform into a Fiend after a mental breakdown.

    • Scruffy says:

      Re: The joke by Maria. That was an error by the fansubs. Marmoru made the joke not Maria

      • HunterWulf says:

        Wait, but if he is the one who made the bad joke, why did he get scared and run away .. besides .. i have never seen anything that suggests that Mamuro is the type to tell jokes to impress girls (most of the time he is just worrying about something, drawing Maria or just sitting there silently).

        It would make more sense that Maria tried to tease him with a bad/tasteless joke and didn’t foresee how he might overreact and be scared by it enough to run away .. i don’t see how it works if it was the other way around.

        • kuromitsu says:

          Eh? Mamoru didn’t try to tell a joke to impress Maria. He said what he was afraid of, but he tried to make it seem like a joke so Maria wouldn’t be worried. Except it was obvious to Maria that he wasn’t joking.

          Maria joking to him wouldn’t make sense at all. She’s always been very protective of Mamoru, last episode she even told Saki and Satoru to drop the whole memory manipulation topic so it wouldn’t upset Mamoru. It wouldn’t make sense for her to make such cruel jokes at his expense.

          (Also, this is not really up to debate – Maria making the joke IS a mistranslation.)

  5. Entrav says:

    Amazing atmosphere and suspense yet again. It reminds me of when the older Saki said that if Maria weren’t born then untold numbers would have been saved. I wonder if this is the start of a catastrophe?

  6. dango says:

    Genius episode, loved the understanding the fiend and karma demons, behind this. Love the psychological horror aspect to it, its not too common in anime now, but it sure is fun to see it again. I also love how the everything behind each of the circumstances are all set up, and given enough of explanation. Still my favorite series for the fall season.

  7. JustPlain says:

    Total anti-climax of an episode: resolving the system – Group One conflict with making Saki next head. Now they are going to resolve hopefully the Group One conflict as well before the season ends I don’t want to wait for season 2 with a cliff hanger :/
    Still this is the best show this season. Damn so GOOOOD!!!

  8. lily says:

    Did anyone notice how Ryou’s right eye shake or vibrate when he said, “Not to mention we used to be together for such a long time” at 18:26? Maybe some sort of side affect from the memory change?

    • Tanukichan says:

      Yeah, that happened last episode too with Saki and Satoru. I thought it had something to do with the memory manipulation too, but maybe it’s something that will be explained later.

    • imredjimmy says:

      Yeah I noticed that too! I’m pretty sure it’s a side effect from the memory change.

  9. Jack says:

    Too much exposition of stuff we already knew… And I don’t really like how they’re setting up this whole future!stazi thing like “a necessary evil”. C’mon, this is a society that constantly polices the thoughts and actions of every single child (we do not know enough about adult society to know what’s it like), and rids itself of the ones that are found wanting: we’ve seen numerous examples of children being “disposed of” long before they could’ve turned into a fiend/karma demon (remember the main groups fifth child?). Is it any wonder that some children growing up in that atmosphere would go nuts? (Note how Shun’s behavior changed after his experience in summer camp: obviously him turning into a Karma Demon was the product of those events).

    And despite all secrecy and the cheery “atmosphere” at the surface, we’ve seen how the children internalize the paranoia that their society is immersed in. Hate to incur in Godwin’s Law, but I think this is an example where the nazi comparison is perfectly justified: this shows’ setting really feels like the logical conclusion of a fascistic civilisation ruled by eugenics.

    Funny thing about the SS grandma’s discourse, she never once alluded to the possibility of phasing out the canti from the human population – this is a society created by scientists, after all. How come they simply didn’t remove that single dangerous trait from the population, rather than try and mold an entire society to contain its dangerous effects?

  10. dango says:

    Jack your reading into the scenario way too much, though the society enforces these rules I don’t think that is the reason for him turning into a karma demon, it may be a factor didn’t you see the examples of the stories given by his grandmother that the ones most susceptible were the one who were the nicest. I don’t think that this was all driven by paranoia, though this is IMO. anyways it is a cruel system that the show has created. Though I really love this show and psycho pass there definitely needs more psychological shows, brings something more variable to the table and more creative ideas are uncovered this way. Definitely what made the fall season so interesting. (I talk a lot more then before it must because I’m on winter break and want to enjoy a bit of my time, before I have to go study again..)

    • Spike says:

      If you can’t see that this show is exploring an extreme way that humans would deal with a major threat (in this case supernatural) and use it to actually THINK about how YOU would react then yes, this is simple fluff entertainment. Perhaps anime isn’t for you. I’m sure you love Jersey Shore and the like.

      Replace ‘Cantus users’ with ‘Terrorists’: Remove them before they become a threat? Check. Protect the many from the dangerous few? Check. Remove those with views differing/dangerous to the majority? Check.

      Most writers don’t just fire off some random thing out of nowhere, there’s usually a reason why they chose a certain message or plot point.

  11. Arno says:

    OMG if you begin to see connections with real life events then you are deeply skrewed by anime, and you must hurry back to school.

    The first step in literacy in history is not to confuse it with fiction, and the first step in literacy in fiction is to accept it as fiction.

    This is just a cheap show meant to fascinate pre-teens, there is at least one of those every year and the recipe will always be the same : a context of “magic and shit, whatever ash-pull” and then lots of abuse for shock-value.

    By the way it is the same for Western movies, when you see abuse scenes you can be pretty sure the director added them because he knew his story suked.

  12. Arno says:

    “Pre-teens” because they are the only ones who will rebel against obvious common sense, and insist they find fascinating depth in a show presenting high-heeled wolves called cats.

    “Pre-teens” because you can sling to them any awfully bad animation and they will still call it “the best anime ever” and drool over it endlessly on forums. Provided there is cruelty against children in it.

    • wakka9ca says:

      So can you elaborate more on what is not a “pre-teen” anime by your definition? Some examples are appreciated.

      • HunterWulf says:

        Don’t bother, he is trying so hard but still it’s obvious he is trolling.

        • imredjimmy says:

          He hates the show so much, yet he comments on every single episode review. Wow, he sure has a lot of time to waste. I wish there would be a place to dump all the trolls so they could annoy each other instead of us.

          • seizonsha says:

            I would like to know how he would defend his position when considering that this is based on a novel by a celebrated Horror and SciFi author who writes for a very much adult audience…

      • wakka9ca says:

        @seizonsha: Not to mention the novel is a winner of the Japan SF Taisho Award, which along with the Japanese Nebula Awards, are the equivalent of the American Nebula Awards, one of the most prestigious SF literary prize.

        • wakka9ca says:

          And also it’s okay to criticize since there are certainly flaws. However, you have to backup your argument and provide response when the opposite side ask you some questions. I guess it’s too bad there is just random hate probably stemming from homophobic behavior triggered by episode 8.

  13. Kamen Grinder says:

    Infodumping. Someone translates the book so I can drop this joke.

  14. NEG says:

    MARIA RETARDED.

    She already caused a disaster.

    :(

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and I just watched A Quiet Place. A solid indie horror one. It builds on atmosphere and it does the family chemistry right
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I don't like The Science of Sleep to be honest. Tons of interesting ideas and visually creativeness but the story itself is a mess
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@Mario: Gondry needs to avoid making any more commercial comedies, he also needs to start working with Kaufman again, they brought out the best in each other, although on his own, he can be playful and inventive with his films, such as mood indigo and science of sleep.
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But check out his other movie Eternal sunshine of Spotless Mind. It has an inventive mind control/ mind altering concept in there
SuperMario
Jim Carrey is kind of mind controller himself. I couldn't take my eyes off him
SuperMario
@anon2028818: it was indeed season 5. SORRY FOR MY IGNORANCE :)
Vonter
The Jim Carrey movies.
Vonter
Dorei-ku seems like a Kakegurui. You see one episode you've seen all. It'll be better if it was crazier like Mirai Nikki. Mind control IMO could be a very creepy setup if it's watched through the perspective of the victim rather than the perpetrator. Losing notion or reality and control. Could liar liar and Yes man be considered mind controlled stories?
Vonter
Ore Mahou Shoujo, baffles me, since I had to skip another long musical off key number, which makes me wonder where the budget cut starts and where the trolling begins. Also makes me sad, there aren't a lot of female to male transformations since it'll be interesting watching that perspective. Maybe a love triangle from both genders could apply since females are more accepted to be bi, in media.
Vonter
Megalobox could be something really special, but I hope like with Ashita no Joe, the anime isn't solely boxing. Joe, had social commentary, had a personal struggle do to the protagonist origin, attitude and view of life, since he started very immature and rebellious.
Amagi
Megalo Box, Tiramisu (I find this genuinely funny), S;0, GGO which is so much better than SAO, Wotaku, Hinamatsuri, Cutie Honey, LotGH, Hisone to Masotan and so on
Amagi
I really love this season as well.
Lenlo
Also personally I am enjoying this current season a alot. But I also know/like a good bit of the reboots/sequels
Lenlo
Oh man... 2015 winter was good. Forgot thats when those came out
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@SuperMario: Wasn't that Natsume season 5?, pretty sure season 4 was several years earlier.
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Another strong anime season for me was 2015 Winter, where we had YuriKuma Arashi, Maria the Virgin Witch, Death Parade, Durarara whatever season, second cour of Shirobako, Parasyte and Your Lie in April
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Even so, with this season I'm still willing to give some shows another chance, like Caligula or Cutie Honey Universe(!)
SuperMario
For me, the best season in recent years was Fall 2016 when we had Flip Flappers, Sound Eupho 2, Yuri on Ice, Natsume 4, Fune wo Amu, Drifters and 3-gatsu no Lion. But I know that Aidan would disagree with me on this
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@anon2028201: it's me who said this season is a mixed bag. It's like you said, this season is too heavily on sequels/ reboots and only some new anime stand out, the rest of the pack is just meh.
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To me this seems like a pretty good seasons, but judging some of the impressions, it's a bit more of a mixed bag for most. Just curious, what were the best seasons for recent anime? This one seems good to me, but to early to tell right now
Anonymous2028201
Lovin this season so far: a lot of reboots/reimaginings and sequels, but I'm enjoying them all. MHA S3, LOGH DNT, S;G 0, Megalobox, Golden Kamuy are what I'm watching right now. I hear Full Metal Panic is good as well, but I haven't gotten around to watching the original series.
Anonymous2028258
so i just recently rewatched fullmetal panic fumoffu and i gotta say that this is easily one of Kyo ani's best works. It's such a surprise that this was their first anime; it's a damn good romance comedy
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Anon: Lol I love B-movie type stuff, because the rules are off.
Kaiser-Eoghan
I was the only person who watched Mazinkaiser skl and shin mazinger and skullman.
Anonymous2026379
@Kaiser Takeshi Koike really wanted to really sell it as a grindhouse feature and I ate that shit up; I really dug the tone he was going for.
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Anon: It was strange seeing that Goemon short, much as I enjoyed it, thats the goriest I seen lupin get.
Anonymous2026379
Megalo box is pure retro while lupin is a mix of old and new...and you're right; people just think they can't jump right into it. But that's why more people should be talking about it; to let the masses know that you don't need a starting point to get into the Lupin franchise
Kaiser-Eoghan
I'm a massive fan of the devilman manga and I thought devilman crybaby was better than it.
Anonymous2026379
90's-esque throwback feeling shows like lupin and megalo box have been giving me
Anonymous2026379
Luoin part 5 is definitely mixing the best of new and old. Honestly, I've been having a blast with it as well as this generally 90
Kaiser-Eoghan
I think the problem is, people see lupin as this long thing they can't get into, when really its so episodic/standalone mostly you can pick up and watch.
Kaiser-Eoghan
And of course getting the best bits out of old and new.
Kaiser-Eoghan
*visual style
Kaiser-Eoghan
I'm a fan of this hybrid old and new style, megalobox does it too, mine fujiko aswell and casshern sins.
Kaiser-Eoghan
I was surprised by how well the Fujiko mine show came together in the end.
Kaiser-Eoghan
I'll be interested in picking up more facts about thrm.
Kaiser-Eoghan
Come think of it, Akira Kurosawa did some old western (eastern?) in Russian, that had an Ainu in it.
Anonymous2026379
Asirpa is sooooo adorable.....almost feels patronizing to say that about her due to how badass she is
Anonymous2026379
What makes Fujiko work so well as this sexy icon is that she isn't just sexy: she's smart as shit and uses that sexiness to dominate and control her opponents (similar to bayonetta) rather than be chained by the objectification of her opponents (and the viewers for that matter)
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I wonder what other obscure cameos we may get this season. And yea you're right about some of Lupin's potentially sexist traits being assuaged by his level of cool and the genuine respect he shows a good deal of the women he has encountered throughout the series
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Anon: Yet still a fun film at the same time.
Anonymous2026379
@Kaiser Yea, mamo was a pretty dark element introduced to the lupin franchise; and considering the tone of the gravestone of Jigen, it makes sense he would cameo there
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Mario: Help I want to kidnap Asirpa =<
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Anon: I'm probably as surprised as you, at finding someone to talk to about Lupin on here.
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Anon: And through comparing/contrasting the jigen grave stone and Fujiko mine, with some of the sillier older ones, it shows the Lupin characters are flexible enough to work both in a darker AND sillier context.
Kaiser-Eoghan
*character
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Anon: Fujiko is precisely how a fanservicey character should work and how built in/essential it is to her haracter, without becoming an irritant.
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Anon: By all means Lupin himself shouldn't be a character we like, much like Bond, but like Bond theres a coolness to the character that allows us to love him.
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Anon: Another great thing about Lupin is how it uses its 60s cool to get away with what would normally probably be considered fairly sexist.
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Anon: I had a big smile on my face when Mamo made a cameo appearance at the end of one of the recent ones and thats because I remember the Lupin Mamo movie was one of those first anime that I watched about 20 years aago.
Anonymous2026379
not to mention that its one of the few anime this season that actually knows how to utilize dialogue to explore flesh out its characters rather than exposition or contrivance: looking at you darling in the franxx
Anonymous2026379
@Kaiser-Eoghan Nice fun facts; but yea Lupin III is a series that has always had an amazing sense of pacing and adventure, traits that are definitely on display this season
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Anon: Its a huge franchise too so I'm often never sure where to go next.
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Anon: You may or may not know this, but the voice actor for solid snake voiced Lupin in one of the dubs.
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Anon: I watched a few episodes of the Italy set lupin show too .
Its a fun franchise due to its cast but its something I have to follow irregularly, lest it get repetitive.
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Anon: Fun fact, guy who directed the gold of babylon film was a famous B-movie noir director in the 60s.
Lenlo
Dont trust anything written by the original SAO author. Everything is his fault. Kirito is not in this series.
Lenlo
Even the original SAO author has little to do with it, which is why its actually good
Lenlo
So SAO Alt is basically completely removed from the rest of SAO
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Anon: Lupin is one of those things I dip in and out of, whatever part of the franchise it is. I've seen birdcage kingdom, Mamo, cagliostro, nostradamus, Jigens grave stone, mine fujiko and the recent Goemon centred special.
Anonymous2026379
it's a damn shame not a lot of ppl are talkig about/watching lupin the third this season
Kaiser-Eoghan
But for all I know with that team behind it, its an improvement, but theres probably not much point in me watching as I dropped the first season after less than 10 episodes.
Kaiser-Eoghan
See how he attempts to seduce me into watching something related to sword art.
Lenlo
Huh... I didnt know the writer for SAO Alt was written by the Kino's Journey creator and produced by the Flip Flappers people. Explains a lot
Lenlo
I wish I knew what you meant by shaman girls, and I cant wait
AidanAK47
@Lenlo, Oh I know Leskinen. May he find his Japanese Shaman girls one day. But seeing as I know the story I wanna experience it differently.
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Mario: Its even set in hokkaido, Korean/Japanese director, Japanese cast, Ken Watanabe is in it: https://letterboxd.com/film/unforgiven-2013/
Lenlo
Also, I love the ED. Really, 2 episodes in, I love S;G all over again.
SuperMario
@Kaiser: really? They remade Unforgiven in Japanese?
Lenlo
its*
Lenlo
Like... is good.
Lenlo
But your missing out on the cult of Leskinen. The engrish is actually one of my favorite parts
AidanAK47
@Lenlo, Meanwhile I am happily waiting for the dub.
Lenlo
Dangit... I have to wait another week for Steins;Gate 0 now. I cant do this.
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Mario: The Japanese remake of unforgiven had ainu people in it.
Anonymous2025797
Also I wonder if budget is distributed according to the director, some animes will spend more in the first episode. Some will spend more in the last ones. It's subjective, but if it's like all business it is looking for the better result at the minimum expense. Hence why I believe Berserk was made the way it did.
Anonymous2025797
@Kaiser-Eoghan - Ideally a story should be as long as it needs. But reality seems that a number of episodes is decided before production. And so you either have to stretch or cut material. Kinda like that 300 page manga of Les Miserables, is simply unfeasible translating that book into that few pages.
KTravlos
Oberstein was a great character.
KTravlos
I actually feel Aidan can do a good job on it. Sometimes been too exposed to the material may lead to clouded eyes.
Kaiser-Eoghan
Though I'm surprised by how I unexpectedly laughed at wotaku, I do wonder if later on it will include any slight drama elements to sustain interest.
Kaiser-Eoghan
OMO; OBERsteins; Gate =P
Kaiser-Eoghan
From watching episode 2 of golden kamuy, yeah, the source material definitely is lifting this.
Kaiser-Eoghan
I'm going to have to wait and see on steins; gate 0, it is encouraging to here this might be darker , at the same time I remember having to sit through too much goofy humour in the first one.
Kaiser-Eoghan
I was actually surprised, that, while rare, there were some moments of humour, that lightened it for me.
AidanAK47
Throughout the entire series I expected Oberstein to pull some inevitable double cross. And was shocked when he never did.
Amagi
@Kaiser: Agree with Oberstein. I think antagonists are es important as the mains in fiction and I loved this guy, he's perfect for series like these.
Kaiser-Eoghan
Galactic heroes was an example of where when watching it, when big death scenes occured, I would make noooooo and shouting noises at the screen while clenching my fist.
Kaiser-Eoghan
I love characters like Oberstein, shrewd, clever, but done right to where I can believe it, not characters like, say Lelouch .
Kaiser-Eoghan
I'd be concerned if the new galactic heroes series skimps on the violence, that kind of thing needs to be in there, in most shows/films and shown to be explicit, consequences need to be shown.
Amagi
*about, not with
Amagi
Sadly, most original 2+ cours series I know feel dragged whereas many 1 cours originals could have needed ~3 more episodes. Talking with series that have an actual plot of course.
Amagi
I really like the 13 episodes thingy for originals but I wish there would be more 26 episodes series, especially for adaptions.
Amagi
@Kaiser: I agree. Nothing kills my interest faster than formularic episodes and repetition.
Kaiser-Eoghan
In general I think 50 episodes would be the most I'd watch for an anime, 39 seems ideal.
Amagi
Or worse and the romance drama is the main plot and it's Kiznaiver all over again, while the rest is just flavor to make the romances more forced since they're the MCs are only teens and such. Dunno but I can never bring myself to care about this kind of stuff.
Kaiser-Eoghan
Though better 110 episodes of galactic heroes than a long shounen that just repeats itself.
Amagi
Speaking of recent episodes, I unironically thing that FranXX's world (building) is pretty interesting (although I hope those klaxxosaurusses will be more than just random cannon fodder) but I doubt the series will ever get to the main plot again the next time.
Amagi
Same here. It was really the only time I did this. I am usually exhausted by just thinking about marathoning long series. It's the reason why I won't get into FMP for the new series either. LotGH was an exception since I found it easily to watch for some reason.
SuperMario
Man, just image burning through 110 episodes of it and my spirit fades away
Amagi
Watched that whole series ages ago.
Amagi
Just watched the first three Neue These episodes and I surprinsingly liked it. Thought I would hate it due to being an OVA fan, and I still prefer the old designs by far but overall it's pretty good. I think I might even prefer this version of the first battle, but I have to rewatch the old one I guess.
Kaiser-Eoghan
Also while I can't remember which episode, Yang picks up a book with the author of the series' name on it.
Kaiser-Eoghan
Arslan feels so lightweight by contrast/comparison.
Kaiser-Eoghan
And I think, given your knowledge KTtravlos, that a series review of the new galactic heroes season would probably benefit from you writing it.
Kaiser-Eoghan
I bring up the music in my earlier comment, because I can understand your reservations regarding the music choice in the remake.
Kaiser-Eoghan
And certainly one of those shows, that going back to the first episode after finishing, gives a strong perspective just on how evolving the series was.
Kaiser-Eoghan
*despite me not
Kaiser-Eoghan
Despite not being monarchist , because the characters were human moreso than cartoon characters I couldn't hate on Reinhard.
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Travlos: I suppose by the time it got to Julian's arc, I was surprised they were still bothering to fight but the fact that they were essentially the last bastion of their beliefs made it special.
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Travlos: Sometimes when I just finish a show, its a case where I HAVE to jump online immediately after and excitedly ramble out an essay on it.
niello
ugh democracy
KTravlos
@Kaiser ultimately LOGH for me was a decisive point in my political life, as I think it made the best defense of democracy in any form I have seen. And it worked partly because the opponent was presented in the best possible incarnation (Rienhard). Yang's continued adherence to democracy, despite recongising its flaws, helped me avoid a personal descent into authoritarian politics.
KTravlos
@Kaiser. I am happy you had a good experience. I watched the prequels a while after the main show and I was happy because it was great getting back to those characters. The prequels were also great in fleshing the setting and the characters. So yes, take your time and a break. That way the prequels will be like visiting a place you liked again after a while.
Kaiser-Eoghan
@KTtravlos: I have some other stuff to get through before watching the galactic heroes prequel though =<
Kaiser-Eoghan
YES according to discord poster I'm not a millenial!
Kaiser-Eoghan
Sorry for overposting. I have always always being an incredibly verbose person.
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Vonter; Not that I oppose captilistically made for a buck cinema, it can be entertaining yes, but I set a standard.
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Vonter: As open as I am to trash cinema, I consider the resident evil films, like the superhero ones, anti-art.
Kaiser-Eoghan
I can understand why people don't like Villier, but he did I think work as a device to add extra tension.
Kaiser-Eoghan
I feel some release at finishing but at the same time sadness at saying goodbye to the show and its characters.
Kaiser-Eoghan
, showing its age.
But for something of this length, it kept itself up far better than most long shows and I feel the length its somewhat justified.

On another note….as corny as the third ending theme is, I got the feels listening to it.
Kaiser-Eoghan
But while the first 50 odd episodes were an easy job for me aswell as all of the 4th season and some of the late 3rd season made it difficult for me to pull myself away from it, the dialogue even though often well observed did become difficult to follow at times and somewhere in the middle theres a stretch of episodes, bar some moments that feel a bit of an endurance test and the animation is at
Kaiser-Eoghan
Its attention to detail I felt was at its strongest in the documentary and the series dedication to filling the view in on its world building/fictional history.
Kaiser-Eoghan
I admired the scope, ambition of this series and the battles eventually grew on me and I was surprised by just how visceral the melee combat got which suited me perfectly. At the same time for all the strategy and action, I found myself more in it for the story, characters and intrigue/politicking. Those battles, due in part to their music choices, had an epic feel to them
Kaiser-Eoghan
In the end the characters stood out for me the best were Reinhard, Oberstein (for being essentially the amazing man with the plan), Reuntal, Kircheis and Rubinsky, I warmed up to Julian, Yang and Schenkop. When important deaths occurred, they felt highly dramatic, in four cases emotionally effecting for me .
Kaiser-Eoghan
Also, KTtravlos, thank you for pushing me toward watching the original legend of the galactic heroes, my opinion on the series is largely a mixed one, but by the end I felt I’d watched something rewarding and I’m happy its crossed off my list and I should have gotten round to it sooner.
Kaiser-Eoghan
I'm probably the oldest here, being 32. Which apparently makes me around Yang-wenli's age, which according to someone means I'm middle aged .
Kaiser-Eoghan
To the discord guy who brought it up, its difficult not for me to be political, my father was an activist and is a Marxist , I ended up becoming a contradiction a semi-agnostic, but spiritually inclined/tolerant socialist with internationalist ideology.
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Aidan: Ends in very cliffhanger/abrupt indy way though and the things weakness/how to kill thems too easy.
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Aidan: I liked how it explains nothing also and the creature design and how it visual communicates to the audience.
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Aidan: While I won't say anything, a character death is handled in what I considered a schmaltzy manner. There is a particularly headscratching decision the characters make that you'll either rationalize or hate, but it leads to one of the tenser set pieces later on.
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Aidan: Quiet place has a good idea at its backbone, that they use sign language in the film to communicate and occassional whispers adds to it, it and the silence allows for a mood to be effectively communicated. It does have jump scares, I wasn't annoyed by them, but I never felt the film required them.
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Aidan: I read the discord, if you ever need to ask a question relating to film, come to me about it, I will without fail be able to answer 9 times out of 10.
Kaiser-Eoghan
I was adequately amused by the first episode of wotaku, but found the male lead funnier, which I'm attributing to him be more deadpan.
Lenlo
We found a convient weekend for everyone
Kaiser-Eoghan
*watching
Kaiser-Eoghan
I would also float the idea of recommendation podcasts every now and then.
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