Posted by psgels on 23 December 2012 with categories: Psycho Pass

Now. This was incredibly intense. This latest installment has really pushed this series to new levels and I really was at the edge of my seat through the entirity of the scene between Akane and Shougo Makishima. And hands off for the creators for actually doing it: killing off the girl. From Urobuchi Gen this was to be expected, but many other writers would have chosen to let her live, which would just not have had the same impact.

Because the end of this episode was just hopeless. Akane really looked completely shocked in this episode. She was slightly different and more competent from the usual rookie you see in these positions, but she still is naive, believing that she can just take care of things herself. This episode was so over her capabilities. The direction of this episode really was amazing in bringing this forth.

I just wonder… what idiot thought that the Sybil System would be a good idea? I mean, what it basically does is sniff out psychopaths. The junks and the mentally instable people whose desires go out of control. There is another group of killers out there though: the ones who simply don’t care about human lives. These guys aren’t necessarily psychopaths, they just have no value for anything and just kill whenever they find someone annoying. Or in Shougo’s case someone who just rationally manages to kill people.
Rating: 6/8 (Awesome)

32 Responses

  1. Mathias says:

    I’d say that Makishima meets the actual definition of a psychopath which is the exact reason why the Sibyl System cannot recognize his actions as criminal.

  2. DmonHiro says:

    Nope, Makishima is not a psychopath. Most likely, a psychopath would be detected by the system. He’s probably a sociopath. Still, the Sybil system is VERY stupid. Not only does ot fail to identify those that actually matter, but it also discourages people from thinking for themselves, and actually makes studying psychology detrimental for the one studying. It’s useless. Crimes don’t decrease thanks to it, but they increase in brutality because of the pent up stress.

    • HunterWulf says:

      I think it does reduce crime rates, because the average criminal is nothing like the sly devil Shogo is, all the criminals that got caught/eliminated had very high crime coefficients (not to mention where encouraged by Shogo to pursue their twisted depraved criminal desires).

      The real problem with Sybil as Shogo pointed out is that human-will can’t be accounted for nor measured by a machine, how do you quantify will-power or scan it, the other side to Sybil’s problems as he also demonstrated is that it turns the society into vegetable-like humans so overly dependent on it for decisions they can’t make judgment on their own anymore and eventually lose the ability to move or act due to lack of natural stimulants.

      So yeah the Sybil system does have serious flaws but that doesn’t make it 100% useless or stupid.

  3. Litho says:

    Typical Urobutcher. I bet he gets off watching snuff films.

    • HunterWulf says:

      If you seriously think this episode was just meant as torture/violence porn then you clearly don’t get it at all .. just becasue a writer kills off some of the characters in gruesome ways doesn’t mean he is doing it just for the heck of it.

      If you think Uro’s works are equivalent to snuff films wait till you watch/read Mohiro Kitoh’s Shadow Star (a.k.a Naru Taru).

      • Litho says:

        … or Bokurano?

        Personally, I don’t think Psy-Pas has been all that great. In relative terms, say to the sci-fi we’ve seen recently in anime, yeah, maybe. It’s no GITS though. Like all Urobutcher works, it’s got a lot of swiss-cheese sized holes in the plot and he just tries to make up for it with shock value, misdirecting the audience. Clever way of writing? Maybe. Inspiring? hardly.

        • HunterWulf says:

          Bokurano at least had good story with some twists and interesting premise which deconstructs the super-robots genre (while i admit it was being severely cruel with the children characters sometimes to a disturbing degree) overall it was a guilty pleasure … Naru Taru) is just sickening Pokemon-esque torture porn.

          Speaking of PP, what plot-holes are there exactly, the writing so far is excellent and has very interesting social commentary .. the violent scenes are scarce and only there when they are really needed.

  4. Commenter says:

    As Makishima himself says: what’s the criteria for being a criminal?
    Clearly the system has issues all over the place. Makishima doesn’t register because he is an ideological killer. He doesn’t do it out of madness, desire, or plain psychopathy. He does it because he wants to show to everyone how the system is broken. Though of course it can also just be that the system uses a criteria that simply doesn’t cover all of it.

    By the way, I’m going to make a prediction here that Akane herself also doesn’t register regardless of her actions. It would certainly match the impression the OP leaves on me.

  5. HunterWulf says:

    Hmmm, where should i start, let’s start by saying THIS IS ONE HELL OF AN INTENSE EPISODE .. phew .. now that this is out of the way let’s focus on the “why”.

    The first part focused on our Criminal Investigation Division team busting into the sewers network to look for Kogami, mean while the intense battle between Kogami and Senguji was quite a treat as Kogami despite being shot few times manages to outsmart Senguji and blow his cybernetic body to bits.

    That’s when things start getting really grim, Kogami is bleeding and almost dead while Tsunamori rushes after her friend and Shogo without waiting for backup, now from this point there are two scenes i’ll really focus on .. the confrontation between Shogo and Tsunamori and the scene between Kogami and Tsunamori afterwards.

    I can’t just express how intense and powerful the scene between Shogo and Tsunamori is, it really had me at the edge of my seat unable to guess at all how it will play out, when Shogo threw his shotgun to Tsunamori i was like “WTH are you doing !!?”, but slowly i figured out the what a sly devil this guy is, he read Tsunamori like an open book in few moments (thanks to his teacher), he knew she won’t be able to overcome the conditioning she lived through all her life, that Sybil’s judgment is always right, that it knows better .. but it goes deeper than that, the negative effects of Sybil taking all choices out of people’s hands made them unable to act when faced with a death or life situation where they have to make a choice themselves .. specially a choice that involves judging another person and killing them based on ones own judgment (not Sybil’s) .. as demonstrated by Tsunamori .. sure she picked the shotgun and fired .. but she fired half-heartedly, without aiming and while still clinging to the Sybil Dominator gun (which in a very ironic and heart-wrenching way kept repeating over and over that Shogo isn’t a threat despite him holding a knife over the neck of Tsunamori’s friend Yuki), the disbelief and shock in Tsunamori’s eyes as Shogo’s Crime Coefficient kept dropping gradually to zero was just so genuine and masterfully done .. the genius of it is that it was sort of countdown to the climax of the scene and also worked to showcase how Shogo just looks down upon, rejects and contradicts all the rules established by Sybil and all those who follow it .. he just spits on all them.

    Also the moment Shogo runs his knife over the neck of Yuki was also done very well and didn’t involve huge amounts of blood spraying all over the screen gratuitously, unlike many other death scenes in the series before which were grotesque and shocking due to graphic in-your-face violence this scene was intentionally cut (we see the knife running over Yuki’s neck, and then we cut to her dead body hanging from the handcuffs silently while her blood drips from the floor) it’s subdued in a very smart way to maximize the fact that it’s shock value doesn’t come from the blood or gore involved, but rather from the implications of what just happened and its impact on both Tsunamori and the viewer(i kept thinking to the last second that Shogo is bluffing and won’t really do it).

    Shogo mentally crushed Tsunamori in that scene, he destroyed everything she took for granted in her world, made a strong practical statement about the flaws of Sybil that she couldn’t do anything to counter and took the life of one of her friends in the process (masterfully foreshadowed by the death of one of her schoolmates that she got involved in the investigation few episodes ago), in short Tsunamori recklessly danced with the devil and got burned severely.

    The other scene i want to highlight is during the aftermath of the episode, that scene where Kogami despite being severely injured and almost half-dead moves his bed right next to the shocked Tsunamori and then taps her shoulder with the back of his hand, in a way he is telling her “Snap out of it”, but also it could be seen as a “I’m here for you” or “I understand your pain/loss, tell me what happened” .. sure the “Snap out of it” seems the most obvious and straightforward .. but IMO the beauty of the scene is that it can be seen in many ways despite its simplicity, the following scenes aren’t any less amazing, the way the ED starts playing and overlaps with the sound of police/ambulance sirens and Shogo walking among the street crowd who are unaware of what he is capable of could make for one fantastic finale of a top quality sci-fi thriller movie.

    Sigh, now time for something a little light-hearted .. is it me or is the scene where Masaoka head-butts injured Kogami is just hilarious, that man really doesn’t kid around .. i mean who would head-butt an injured bleeding man this violently (i mean Kogami seemed to be in so much pain from the head-butt).. Masaoka really took the spotlight twice in this story arc, once when he attacked Ginoza and lifted him in the air with one arm before their raid started when Ginoza was verbally attacking Tsunamori and blaming her for everything, and the second time when he headbutted injured Kogami, he sure is one hell of tough old badass XD

    • consterhk says:

      I totally agree. The way that the inspectors (and Tsunamori, as a product of society) has been ingrained that their psychopass needs to be “pure” and have cost them the will to think -and pull the trigger. This only makes Kogami the real hero, as he has sacrificed his psychopass; to dance the line of potentially being shot by his “shepherds”.

      Shogo drawing the knife was the last straw. Will Tsunamori be willing to taint her psychopass now?

    • jzar says:

      Well said, I love your observations about a great show. I only wish I knew why episode 12 is not yet around.

  6. Airies says:

    I TOTALLY AGREE! with the gun system thing anyways. Also have you seen how long it takes for them to charge!? OMG you could be shot in that time easily before the gun finally shoots. I didnt much like the ep though. I knew the chick would day so It didnt really make me go “yikes whats gonna happen!?”

    • HunterWulf says:

      Well you seem to be forgetting that normal guns are clearly illegal and very rare in the world of Psyhco-Pass … the old enforcer “Masaoka” says clearly it has been a very long time since he saw real bullets holes .. so an enforcer with a Dominator has the upper hand against most normal criminals (who won’t have any access to normal guns like Senguji the super rich collector bastard).

  7. jonas says:

    My bet is that the system is rigged. In the first episode Makishima is being protected by heavy armed bodyguards, and living in the Sybil HQ Skyscraper. He is probably the son of the guy who invented the Sybil system.

    • Litho says:

      It’s possible. The first ep’s opening scene was in a penthouse of some sort, which seemed to be the silver-haired dude’s “domain” of some sort.

    • HunterWulf says:

      Good point, the building in which the first scene takes place in is like at the center of the city and is highlighted in ED .. it really seems like it could be where the Sybil super-computer is .. although if that’s true and Shogo rigged the computer to mask his crime coefficient it would remove a lot of the mystery and impact Shogo’s character has .. would make him just some cheap ass cheater XD

      • jonas says:

        Well, if Shogo Makishima turns to be just some cheap ass “hax0r” character, that would be a perfect fit for the themes of the show, mainly:

        “The fairytale seems to have died moments ago”.

        No grand master of evil, just a rich kid abusing a system created to protect him.

        Of course, there is also the possbility that Shogo may just be a chemically imbalanced Psychopath.

      • Rando says:

        I think the building shown in the first episode in the beginning was the top of the police HQ. They zoom in on it then, and they have a similar shot in a later episode that cuts to Akane at her desk.

  8. Entrav says:

    Highlighting that the Sibyl System is rigged. Basically, there’s no way such a system is morally righteous anyways. It’ll be interesting to see how Akane adapts to the situation and whether she’ll become an Enforcer or not.

  9. witchy says:

    This was a great ep for me. I’m studying Psychology, and anime series like this make me…happy. I guess it’s because there is too much debate and reflection going on after episodes like this that makes me love it.

    Can anyone enlighten me, again, how the dominator or the Sibyl system measures crime coefficient? What were they scanning again when they use the dominator? Blood? Endorphin levels? Whatever activation of neurotransmitter??

    I found how at the end of this ep it was snowing…referring to Yukki (or however “snow” in Japanese is spelled). I’m not very knowledgeable about Gen’s works, but I think the writing in this show is good. Maybe there are plot holes here and there, but a very good story is not measured just by how less flaws it has but by usually HOW POWERFUL the emotional experience it gives to the viewers. Psycho-Pass, for me, has been very intense in most of its eps and has made me have that adrenaline rush although I was not a part of the story (nor live in that world). I love where its going. I love how dark it is. I love it because I can handle its darkness too, and few shows can grip me so much. If From the New World has a merciless society, Psycho-Pass has a society that can be merciful yet still suffocating.
    Akane will learn from this; that’s for sure. If Shinya will be a great emotional support, we’ll see. If Akane though can be as resilient as before…we’ll see.

    • HunterWulf says:

      I suppose the Sybil system runs a full-brain-scan taking in all the possible parameters it could acquire and then analyze them based on the physiological and psychological databases it has .. the scan could include brain activity (which parts of the brain where more active than others), blood pressure in the brain, chemicals levels (endorphin, morphine), … etc etc etc

  10. Rachnid says:

    I kinda felt that the sibyl system sniffs out mentally unstable people, but is incapable of detecting psychopaths, which I feel Makishima is.

    • HunterWulf says:

      Shogo Makishima can’t be a psychopath .. IMO mentally unstable people = psychopaths … Shogo is a whole different monster, he has full control over his emotions and he can suppress them very well (that’s why he mentioned will-power), he is also convinced that what he is doing is 100% righteous and that it isn’t evil/bad or a crime .. unlike all the other criminals he isn’t just disillusioned or driven by desire or insecurities, he rationalized his view-point to a degree where not only he has no doubt at all he is 100% righteous but also has a solid cohesive thread of logical reasons supporting his conviction within his mind which also match with reality .. a simplified example of his logic would be –> (Sybil enslaves people making them unable to make choices in any way/Sybil eventually turns people into paralyzed undead patients due to prolonged lack of natural stimuli thus all people who are slaves to Sybil are theoretically dead .. hence Sybil and all those who protect it are EVIL).

      Shogo really reminds me of the main villain in Monster, that guy was also one hell of a psychological monster XD

      • jonas says:

        My other theory is that Makishima may be chemically unbalanced. Notice how his crime coefficient lowers, the closer he get to the actual killing. In the first episode is mentioned that drugs can alter the readings of the Dominator.

      • Puran says:

        Makishima is a psychopath. He is the very definition of a psycho path. It’s not being mentally unstable. They are mentally very stable, they just lack feelings of guilt/remorse/anxiety etc.

        Anyway, my problem with this series, is that Sybil system is so very much flawed and it’s obvious from the first episode. And the series hasn’t tried at ALL to make it have any kinds of pros and as such it feels like a very implausible future. Have the crime-rates fallen? (we don’t know). Are the lives of people gotten generally better? (we don’t know). We have a system that has been shown to have a bad effect on people’s lives on multiple occasions but we’ve never seen it have a positive effect. Which makes the setting feel very shallow for me.

  11. DangerMouse says:

    Your long post back in the middle of the comments about the awesome strengths of this episode was excellent HunterWulf :)

    As you mentioned: Shinya, Akane and Masaoka great as usual.

    I can certainly see the comparison on the Monster thing with Shogo, he seems to be one heck of that kind of a villain so far.

    Man am I loving the hell out of this show.

    Just like with GITS SAC, Production I.G really knows how to nail this kind of scifi so well and I love them for it.

  12. kero says:

    Some edge of the seat stuff with the final scene between Akane and Makashima!

    Brilliant.

  13. Bakura says:

    Regarding the Sybil system, I believe the way it works is by reading the biological signs. Like you would expect a person who is getting angry to experience a rise in blood pressure. Of course, its not just one factor that Sybil uses, but the aggregate of several ones to come to its conclusion about the psychological state of the subject (using some algorithm, historical data or combination of both). Makishima can’t be judged because he’s the guy who doesn’t give off any the telltale signs even when he’s killing.
    Sybil is shown to be so advanced that it can judge the suitability of people for careers based on the bio/psycho data. If we accept that, then naturally it would replace the law enforcer as the “judge” in a violent situation. While the concept is cool, I highly doubt real guns could be cleansed out so easily from the world just because Sybil is there. And secondly… it does take WAAAAY to long to load up the Dominator. Not too effective if the enemy is a master hand to hand combatant.

  14. solar_sailor says:

    this episode completely tore apart the theory of ‘Fight or Flight’ – what did Akane do when faced with threat? neither! A part of me is in anguished disbelief that this sort of impasse “decision” can be made.. how much this reflects human threat-behaviour in reality, I can’t say I know enough but darn. My psychopass just got 4 levels cloudier watching this LOL.
    And I would like to agree with the few who deduced Makishima to be more sociopath than psychopath.. psychopaths *don’t* try to blend in and stay undetected.

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@Anon530022, I am not going to deny being arrogant. That's just my nature. But you are going to have to explain how wanting a show to have a genuine gay romance is homophobic? Kinda missing the logical steps on that jump. Anyway you being gay is irrelevant as I have a bisexual friend who says the romance isn't realistic in the slightest.
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tl;dr, chill its an anime.
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Also, how Viktor's choice to become Yuuri's coach might have been initiated by not just Yuuri's skating, but Yuuri himself.
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@Mario: I agree on the strip dance. Like, holy crap. But overall, I really like how episode 10 reframed the series from Viktor's perspective. Like, at first the whole commemorative photo thing made him seem like a jerk, but now we get to see that he had actually had a great time with Yuuri and was probably being genuine about it...
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This shows romance is actually reaistic, but you are still rejecting it. Yuri literally said he had found love. He said neither way who it's directed towards yet you are SO INSISTENT that it is towards skating. in the episode Victor even expressed admiration to Yuri's own dispositions beyond skating. He clearly was 'watching' him.
AidanAK47
If they planned to take such a hands off approach to romance then it would be better if they just focused on the skating. But well then the fujoshi's wouldn't be buying the Blu-rays now would they?
Lenlo
I can understand that, thats a problem I have with alot of modern romance's. Im just not seeing the backing off that happens in those romances. They just seem to raise it more and more in Yuri, without ever crossing the line, rather than toeing it then backing off.
AidanAK47
@Lenlo, To me I find it aggravating. They go so far to portray them as gay yet when it comes to the final say they keep backing off. Hey I want to be more that friends...just kidding! Hey I love you...just kidding! Hey lets get married...just kidding! It like how harems constantly tease the main getting together with each girl when by shows end you know he's not going to get with anyone.
SuperMario
@lenl: agree. I'm still enjoying the hell of the show. A bit out of the blues thou when it comes to the strip dance (they shoulve planted that before), but it's a joy to watch every week
Lenlo
Eh. As I said, I think its above bait below romance. Either way im enjoying it and thats the important part.
SuperMario
For me they're just too much at the moments but unless they confirm it, nothing changes.
Kaiser Eoghan
Y'know I kind of wish Rorico would just come out and directly say he feels too old for most anime, its not really surprising a man in his 60s would be so cranky when it comes to this stuff.
SuperMario
@lenlo: I think it's more about statements. Yes, we understand the context of rings and engagements but unless they confirm it, nothing set in stones. And "hinting" is what they love to do, you can see just by the 2 shows I've coverage myself: Sound Eupho (Reina & Kumiko), Flip Flappers (Papika & Cocona) and people saying those same underlining context things.
Lenlo
I think its beyond baiting, below full blown romance at this point myself.
Lenlo
Does a show have to confirm and say "They kissed" to make it true? Seems along the same lines as "Fade to black" for sex. Then theres the ED which also made the start of the show much more interesting, as with this ED not its Victor that was jilted at the airport, when Yuri ran away.
Lenlo
See, I dont understand why they have to come out and say "We are gay" for you to accept its an actual romance. I dont see how this is baiting anymore either, as the rings and the "Engagement" seem pretty clear to me. Also, without knowing the current climate on the matter in Japan, this could be the clearest they are allowed to make it, while still fully intending for it to be a real romance.
AidanAK47
@Anon1, Agreed. I said before that I would like to be proven wrong on this but this series doesn't seem to have done that yet. I really will admit I am wrong to Anon2 if it does provide proof but it would need to be far more substantial than this.
@Anon2, Girl, boy, whatever.
Anonymous529668
I'm not a girl.
Anonymous529660
Even that is just grasping at straws though, haha.
Anonymous529660
@Aidan: I think the only thing from that scene that hints at actual romance would be where Viktor says something along the lines of a lot of other people got their L words from Yuuri, which he had earlier stated are "Love" and "Life." Honestly, even this is pushing it though, but the fact that he said it like that suggests that both he and Yuri got "those words" from Yuuri.
AidanAK47
Way I saw that scene was the guy saying "Fuck you, you think Yuri is so great. Well I am gonna be better than Yuri. Just you wait and see" and then Victor remarking on how Yuri awoke his competitive spirit. Aka his love for Skating.
SuperMario
@Kaiser: Although I like both, I always prefer impressionism better. Expressionism for me tend to be a bit overwhelming and a bit subjectively. But mind you Flip Flappers still has moments of Expressionist as well (Episode 6: Irochan's parents)
AidanAK47
@Anon, I got the context you saw fine. About him getting mad over the "Good luck charm". You are being baited girl, hook, line and sinker.
Anonymous529618
You are missing context. You don't know anything. You don't even know why Yuri was mad do you? Why the fuck would he be mad about loving skating.
Kaiser Eoghan
@Mario: I bring up the impressionism vs expressionism thing because I feel that the impressionistic aspects of say a Tarkovsky film, Malick film and flippflappers feel superior to me over expressionistic style because its more emotionally satisfying while ALSO being athmospheric, Whereas expressinistic visuals are ONLY atmospheric.
Kaiser Eoghan
@Mario: Flippflappers has now reached a level where I feel the impressionism has gone beyond simply visual immersive in a way that makes us part of its world and has become more emotional.
Kaiser Eoghan
@Mario: You mention impressionism in your review of flipflappers, in general do you feel on a visual level you respond more strongly to expressionism or impressionism?
SuperMario
I watched the whole thing so I know that in this episode, except the time they're giving rings to each other (in the name of "good luck charm") and Victor somewhat pump Yuri up for the Gold medal by Not Denying it; they still haven't admitted anything.
AidanAK47
Perhaps I am not the one who is in denial.
AidanAK47
Oh I think I see it now. Yeah this is nothing mate. The conversation was about skating from begining to end and Victor mentioned that he wasn't the only one to get his "L words" from Yuri. Pretty clear he means how Yuri helped Yurio awaken a love for Skating. Romantic love doesn't really make sense within the context. But yeah, they admitted nothing.
AidanAK47
Quite frankly if they don't have the balls to admit they are gay by this point they are just not going to.
AidanAK47
Time stamp means the point in the episode he actually said it. Like 18 minutes 20 seconds in or something. You should be able to get one. But maybe you can't find it either. Only thing I found Was about yuri teaching victor through his life and love but that's ambiguous enough to refer to his love for skating.
Anonymous529435
Don't have time stamp
Anonymous529435
Episode is narrated by Victor
Anonymous529435
At the end Victor admits he's in love and mentions the other person is also
AidanAK47
@Anon, Can you give me the timestamp on the episode? Scanning through it I don't see anything that suggests that.
Anonymous529150
Not joked
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They admitted
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No those were both me it's just the chat doesn't show it immediately so I posted again
AidanAK47
@Masky, He's denied it before but it's pretty obvious he's trying to make it seem like someone's agreeing with him.
AidanAK47
@Anon, admitted or joked?
Masky
So wait, is that same anon repeating himself or two different anons where second one copy pasted part of first one's post
Anonymous528870
They literally admitted a love triangle between the three main characters. You're in denial.
Anonymous528815
Are you kidding? This episode they outright admitted a love triangle between the three main characters. You're in denial.
AidanAK47
I actually was going to admit that I was wrong when I heard about the "Kiss" and gladly do so. But when I watched the scene in question it's clear what I said is still correct. They will dance around it, sure. But never outright confirm it.
AidanAK47
@Anon, discussed this before when the "Kiss" happened. Despite the series hinting it, and hinting it hard, it still hasn't outright confirmed it. While I am sure it is head canon to the watchers, the series itself is just queer baiting.
SuperMario
Okay... Just watched this week's Yuri on Ice. Haha things got weird again... and they so nailed Barcelona here, I recognized most of the places.
SuperMario
@anon527634: actually about that, I am a bit let down that after that "supposed kiss" in episode 7, no one in the series mentioned it again. Just like that "kiss" never happened.
Anonymous527534
So when is Aidan going to publicly admit he was wrong about the Yuri romance?
Lenlo
I loved the special ED so much.
Lenlo
Alright... Yuri this week was interesting in so many ways.
SuperMario
I'm also planning to catch BBK/BRK before the year end soon. I'm also find that series entertaining despite its obvious flaws
Kaiser Eoghan
But come to think of it, I do know what its like to enjoy something admittedly flawed, the first season of utawerumono was like that for me, I have nothing but criticism of it in all aspects but yet ended up being one of those things I somehow enjoyed watching.
Kaiser Eoghan
Ah, only flippflappers, natsume, drifters on my end.
AidanAK47
I wonder if anyone here is still watching Bubuki Buranki? It's weird but despite how deeply flawed it is I find it fairly enjoyable. Though that fantastic soundtrack certainly helps.
AidanAK47
@Anon, Oh they announced a Sonic movie too. Apparently it's a mix of live action and animation.
Anonymous525559
I am suprised SEGA didn't announce an Sonic movie and went with games like Altered Beast and Crazy Taxi, they probably could have just ripped off one story from the Archie Sonic comics and make an movie based on that, preferably the story where Sonic travels in the multiverse to fight an super powerful Sigma alongside Classic Megaman and Megaman X,Steet Fighter cast,Breath of Fire 3 cast and more
AidanAK47
@Anon, A parody Grindhouse film actually could work. I consider Overkill the best of House of the dead. Thing is there actually is already a house of the dead movie so this would be their second attempt. The first attempt...lets just say it didn't work out.
Anonymous523336
And House Of The Dead: Overkill is probably the best game in the franchise to adapt, i mean, it has Isaac Washington in it and dude's awesome.
Anonymous523336
None of those games have much of a story, but at least House Of The Dead could make for an entertaining silly movie, i mean House Of The Dead: Overkill is freaking awesome and has silly cutscenes at the start and end of every level.
Kaiser Eoghan
At most moonbeam city seems sylistically interesting.
Kaiser Eoghan
Archer I simply lost track of and it ended up getting to long to catch up on it.
Kaiser Eoghan
Relatively old news, although I've been joking with friends about what if scenarios for a streets of rage film. I know there is a cg/live action hybrid sonic film in the works. I kind of want to think a shinobi or streets of rage film could work if they went full on 70s style action film.
AidanAK47
None of these games are played for the story. You would be better off just making a new game for them instead of a movie.
AidanAK47
I haven't even seen Archer. On another note SEGA is planning a bunch of live action movies of their franchises and boy do they all sound like a horrible idea. Shinobi, Golden Axe, Virtua Fighter, The House of the Dead, Crazy Taxi, Streets of rage and Altered Beast.
SuperMario
@Anon522497: hmm, I found Moonbeam City underwhelmed and for Archer up until their last season I actually got a bit tired of the cast (couldn't finish that season 7)
Anonymous522497
If i wanted Archer i would just watch Archer or Moonbeam City like everyone else.
Anonymous522338
Bloodivores
SuperMario
Anyone here watching Pacific Heat? It's an Aussie Archer-ripoff aired in Netflix last week. I actually enjoyed the 1st episode, not that great but everyone panned it like a plague.
AidanAK47
@Anon, Who?
Anonymous521123
#StephanieJaworowiczIsBeautiful
Kaiser Eoghan
@Mario: That'd be the compiliation film. I watched that based on hearing that the film version trimmed back on the shows weaker moments.
SuperMario
@Kaiser: was it the compilation film or the series itself? That scene is the highlight of that first season. I'm always a fan of KyoAni so it's very natural that I enjoy this series a whole lot.
Kaiser Eoghan
I watched the first season of sound euphonium, not much to say for it other than I liked the teacher guy and the scene where the black haired girl tells the main character that she thinks shes hiding behind a mask. Animation was as expected of kyoani good. All of those emotion shots though and some of the melodrama...
AidanAK47
@Kaiser, it does stop if you make an account.
Kaiser Eoghan
Hmmm there we go again, it delayed sending my message for longer than it should have.
Kaiser Eoghan
Anyone notice today and last night that the site has had some loading issues? I kept getting an error page for a while and it was also loading a bit more slowly. A server issue?
Lenlo
Have to say, Flip Flappers ep 5 was pretty good. I love atmospheric settings like that.
Lenlo
Looks like an Epee. The large bell guard, the fact that they are focusing on thrusting attacks instead of slashing (mostly). Fencing is alot of fun. Be prepared for some bruises though, as some people put their full body weight behind their thrusts.
SuperMario
I have one last dumb question, Can you tell what types of blade of Juri in Utena? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fGsVSSUv_i0
SuperMario
@Lenlo: the more you described the more I found fencing interesting. I might take a look around my town to see if we have Fencing here (the curse of living in a small town).
Lenlo
Blades are slightly different, yes, but mostly just in their guard and how much they bend. Sabers bend easily, Epee's not so much. Surprisingly Epee is the slowest, because people tend to be more careful. Saber is actually the most aggressive of the blades, atleast at my skill level
AidanAK47
That's all they had to do. Just stay inside and let it pass. But for some weird reason they just keep panicking over nothing.
As far as time/alternate world stuff goes this was ridiculously underwhelming. Just finished another movie called triangle and now that's how you do Time travel mindfuckery.
AidanAK47
@Mario, I am not fond of movies where people make stupid decisions for no good reason. For example:
"We should just stay inside"
"No, staying inside isn't realistic"
WHY IN THE HOLY HELL ISN'T IT REALISTIC.
SuperMario
Showed that movie to a bunch of friends last year and I remembered one of the girl just shut off the movie after 15'
SuperMario
@Aidan: too bad. I found Cohenrent really funny and entertaining. Some of their twists are stupid but I was actually invested in much of their characters. Maybe because I always love movies about a bunch of characters in an isolated setting
SuperMario
@Lenlo: sounds like Epee is the most "all-out-attack" and aggressive one. Their blades are different as well I assume?
AidanAK47
Just watched a movie called coherence and man, what a bunch a pseudo-intellectual garbage that was.
Lenlo
For Right of Way, its basically Person A attacks, Person B parries, Person A hits, Person B hits, Person B gets the point because they took right of way with the parry. Saber and Foil both have that, but Epee does not. Epee is simply "Whoever hits the opponent first, doesnt matter where, whole body is target area"
Lenlo
Theres Saber, Foil and Epee. The main difference is this thing called right of way, but there are other smaller ones like how Saber can hit with the edge and Epee is allowed to hit the entire body, instead of just the chest like Foil
SuperMario
For news, Blood Blockade Battlefront getting second season next year. As it was one of my favorite last year I'm really lokking forward to this second season
SuperMario
@Lenlo: that sounds great. From what I know from fencing there are 3 different types of blade right? So what are the differences between them? (Fencing 101 here)
Kaiser Eoghan
Although a fantasy sports thing could also generate interest, such as combining sports together to create something totally new.
Lenlo
@SuperMario, Fencing was great. Favorite sport ever and it helped me stay in shape in College. I find Epee to be the best blade, mostly cause I fenced it, but its a very intense 3 minutes. Unlike sports like Soccer and such which is alot of sustained running, Fencing is 3 minutes of Dont-Stop-Moving then wait till next match. Gets really fun once you figure out your own style.
SuperMario
haha, I wouldn't mind either if each episode focus on a single sport/ character/ country. Or even the positive aspects like role models, sports inspirations and stuffs
Lenlo
That Olympic anime sounds great.
Kaiser Eoghan
And it would be a good excuse to have characters of multiple backgrounds included too.
Kaiser Eoghan
Could be an 13 episode ova series with 48 minute episodes, and if its to be an ensemble character drama you could have 10 minutes to a each character (the ones being focused on in that episode) in each episode.
Kaiser Eoghan
Ah yes, aswell as cheating it could also get into "stage parenting", "abuse", "Disabilities" and also the general politics of sports, the backroom stuff.
SuperMario
I'll be the first in line if that olympic anime ever come out. Could be interesting to see the interactions between athletes in different sports, and then fans/athletes/coaches relationship, then the gold rush, doping... So much to talk around to
Kaiser Eoghan
I don't think theres ever been a manga about hurling either. Hey heres an idea, someone do an ensemble drama anime that deals with the olympics, fit in multiple sports that way.
SuperMario
Personally I find Australian football much more exciting than rugby. Or crickets.
SuperMario
@Kaiser: ha! Interesting that you mentioned Gaelic football, because in Aus we have AFL (Australian Football League), that really similars to Gealic Football to the point sometimes we have the 2 national teams compete each other with modified rules
Kaiser Eoghan
Hmm, lets see, sport under-represented in anime? Fencing, golf , Gaelic football, bowling, boat racing.
SuperMario
Hey, fencing is actually really cool. How did you like it Lenlo?
SuperMario
You have your point there Topgavin, as I clearly remember many instances where players' legs, backs or even necks got snapped during rugby's tackles. But in regards to Rugby I never really care about it. That and car racing
Lenlo
Its mostly the type of injuries you get that differ I think. Football you get concussions and broken bones and such, while in Rugby you probably get alot of bruises and cuts. Granted I have played neither, I was a Soccer man in highschool and fencing in College
Lenlo
American football has alot of rules, and really is just a bunch of millionaires running around chasing a ball. Rugby however, as Topgavin said, has no pads so when you get hit you get hit HARD
AidanAK47
I never ceases to surprise me just how high and mighty visual novel fans can be over Mosaics present in localized games. I mean they are literally complaining about not seeing genitalia yet the way they phrase it, it's like they are fighting against great injustice. If these VNs were Nukige they might have a point but in most cases the sex scenes in question are pointless and shoehorned in.
Topgavin
@Mario Rugby is more extreme *because* it has no protective gear. No hiding behind helmets and cushioned shoulder pads when ya get bowled over.
SuperMario
@Lenlo: I'm no expert but isn't American football a variation of Rugby? And I believe american football is more extreme, considering they have to wear helmets, protection gears and all that
Lenlo
I dont think theres alot of manga about it because its simply not that popular outside the US. As far as it being a battlefield, eeeeh? Not really? You want a battlefield watch Rugby.
SuperMario
I can think of other cool sports that could be interesting to see in anime: Kick Volleyball (Sepak takraw), Bossaball (combined soccer, volleyball in a trampoline), or in the same vein of skate figures this season, why not pole dancing competition???
Anonymous504493
What other sport is cool and popular that remains original to write about by now? There isn't a lot of manga about it compared to anything else.
Anonymous504493
American football looks like a battlefield with a visible battleline and everything. Id like it if there wasnt so many darn commercials.
Lenlo
I mean, its a sport. Far cry from best, but its definitely a sport.
SuperMario
@Vonter: or maybe because american football IS the best sports ever?
Kaiser Eoghan
@Vonter: Most likely due to the middle section of the original anime being the most popular bit.
Vonter
Can someone explain me how Cobra, is apparently getting an anime around some sort of space american football? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=54kNWPr43zE
Kaiser Eoghan
@Mario: Its not safe enough a film for me to properly recommend. Even to exploitation fans, they might find it too slow others would be too sensitive to it. Really una vita violenca, mamma roma, accatone, hawks and sparrows are what Pasolini is really about.
SuperMario
Now that you watched Salo, would you recommend the film to other people? I personally think it's a masterpiece but it's one of the title that I think people would break up with me if I show them this movie
SuperMario
@Kaiser: even him as a director, both Braveheart and Apocalypto don't do much to me, will see if Hacksaw Ridge going to change my mind (but I'm not to fond with war movies in general). La Notte is in my sooon-to-watch list for years, haha
Kaiser Eoghan
@Mario: Mel Gibson as a director, not as an actor =)
Kaiser Eoghan
@Mario: Thats why I prefer the neo-realist/quasi-neo-realism stuff as it deals with the worse off in society. But Antonioni was the master of being able to do films about angsty well-off people, L'aventura, the passenger and La notte for example
Kaiser Eoghan
@Mario: Its not so much that I dislike post 50s fellini moreso I feel that his throw everything at the screen and hope what sticks method can be hit or miss.
SuperMario
While I don't really mind his later stuffs because he was masterclass, I have a pretty hard time for Paolo Sorrentino's later works. The thing is I don't care much about the high class society so everything is just ridiculously over the top and glamour and I'm tired of it.
SuperMario
I haven't watched nights of cabiria but I did watch La Strada and boy, I was sad for few days after watching it. Fellini mentioned that he was inspired to make this movie when seeing a woman pushing a cart from behind. The film really carry that sense throughout its running
SuperMario
Michael Haneke put Salo in his top 10 films. Quite understandable when you think about it. Still for me one of the movie that affected me deeply.
SuperMario
I really admire Elle for its ability to maintain its sharpness because under other inexperienced directors it could easily becomes a mess. Mel Gibson, really? He's one of the few actors that I absolutely dislike
SuperMario
@Kaiser: The Red Turtle remains one of the the most refreshing time I had this year in cinema, but then again I haven't watched much films lately. Agree with you on Sonia's performance, and I still think they could cut out the first 20' of the film because it feels out of place compare to the rest of the film
Kaiser Eoghan
Debating whether to bother catching up on I am a hero or watching the film adaptation. I haven't read it since they got rid of that one female character.
Kaiser Eoghan
@Mario: I've a feeling you'll like nights of cabiria, Fellini was cranking out some solidly effective social-realist dramas in the 50s before he fell into self-indulgence.
Kaiser Eoghan
Now I have that sound euphonium compilation film downloaded, I should get to that sometime.
Kaiser Eoghan
@Mario: I also finally watched Salo, I ended up meeting it pretty much halfway. Some parts still retain the ability to effect a modern viewer, having seen his other works though its crazy just how different Salo is to them.
Kaiser Eoghan
@Mario: Seeing I, daniel Blake tomorrow and rogue one in a few weeks.
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