Posted by psgels on 25 December 2012 with categories: Yearly Summaries

Top 19 OSTs
I mentioned this before, but one way in which 2012 stood out, was its huge amount of stunning soundtracks. Seriously, where I could count the number of soundtracks that really caught my attention in 2011 on one hand, here I’ve got nearly 20 shows that delivered beyond expectations in the audio department. Because of that I’m dedicating this part of this year’s summary to the soundtracks.

#19: Uta Koi

I’d love to be able to showcase a sample of each ost this season, but for some series I just can’t find them. Anyway, Uta Koi’s soundtrack was composed by Yasunori Mitsuda, who is famous for composing the soundtracks for Chrono Trigger and Xenogears. His soundtrack here is quiet and stays much to the background (hence the lower place here), but he did nail the romantic undertones of this series. There is one particular violin track that seems to be this series’ main theme, that really impressed me.

#18: Mirai Nikki

Mirai Nikki has lots and lots of paranoia. What with the mother of all yandere being one of the main cast members. Such a series deserves a paranoid soundtrack, and Mirai Nikki in the end ended up delivering that. It took me a while to warm up to it, though, because it kept saving its best tracks for its second half so in the first half the soundtrack sounded a bit generic and monotone. After a while though, the combination of all sorts of distorted instruments won me over.

#17: Uchuu Kyoudai

I was debating whether or not to put Uchuu Kyoudai on its list. Sure, it has a fantastic selection of OPs and EDs, but its soundtrack isn’t really that big, and it just keeps playing the same songs over and over again. But then I realized: we’re three seasons in and I’m still not bored of those songs. They are incredibly recognizable, and whatever scene they’re used for, they make it work and they manage to draw out a ton of emotions. It’s simple, yet effective.

#16: Zetman

This is the kind of epic soundtrack you needed to make Zetman work. It contains a ton of fast-paced tracks that are great at drawing out the adrenaline with lots of violins and bombastic sounds and drums. I also love how well produced everything is. That’s not always something in a show’s advantage, but it definitely is here.

#15: Fate/Zero

I’ve said it before: I prefer Yuki Kajiura’s older work above her newer work. These are a bit too overproduced and sound much of the same. Nevertheless, I am a big fan of the use of choirs, and these are used wonderfully here. It’s a very gloomy soundtrack in the same vein as used with Kara no Kyoukai, just heavier.

#14: Natsume Yuujin-Chou

Natsume Yuujin-Chou used the same soundtrack that it has always had this year, but that does not make it any less charming. Here it’s not so much that there is one track that stands out, but the entire OST just fits together wonderfully in creating a dreamy atmosphere. It’s something that this series has been great at from its first season, and yet again it gets the award for the most relaxing soundtrack of the year for me.

#13: Saint Seiya Omega

Heck, we’re not even in the top 10 yet and we’re already getting to the soundtracks that made a big impact on me. That’s how good this year is. At first I didn’t think much behind this soundtrack, but as I started listening, I was surprised at how many stunning tracks it had. Heck, this soundtrack is one of the big reasons why Saint Seiya Omega elevated itself from an average action show to something that just made me keep coming back, even after more than 26 episodes. As this plays, I could just feel the tension rise. This is also one of those soundtracks where it’s impossible to just pick one track that really stands out.

#12: Jormungand

I really love experimental soundtracks. Because of that, I’m completely sold on the Jormungand soundtrack. This really sounds unique, and this one track, “Time to Attack” just exemplifies everything about it. The silly over the top lyrics just scream cool, even though at first I admit that I was wondering what the heck I was litening to here. The rest of the soundtrack also has some really well fitting techno-tracks.

#11: Natsuyuki Rendezvous

I love what the creators did with their sound in this series. Unlike the above mentioned soundtracks, this one is simple, but the way it uses its instruments to build up tension: they really spent time into thinking how to make it work best. I especially fell in love with this particular track using just a bass and a piano using very minimal sounds that gets played during a few heavy scenes. The tension that that managed to create was amazing.

#10: AKB0048

Um… I’m sorry… I hate J-Pop! I really do. But this soundtrack just had me bouncing up and down on my chair. Heck, Shoji Kawamori. This guy knows how to make an animated musical that kicks ass with a number of great and exciting songs. In this show, the performances, they all sounded right and were clearly very very well produced to make them as bombastic as possible. Well, they succeeded for me.

#9: Eureka Seven Ao

For most OSTs, it’s the main tracks that sound the most impressive. That’s how they’re made. Eureka Seven Ao is slightly different, though. The main tracks are nice indeed, but the side tracks that you only hear once or twice were the ones that really sold me, especially in the second half. And especially the ending, that contained many actual songs as the background, and that’s where it really started coming to the foreground. This is the kind of series that just keeps spiraling out of control, and the soundtrack just went along with it perfectly.

#8: Chihayafuru

This soundtrack still astounds me as to how ridiculously solid it is, for 25 episode it managed to keep the same addictive pacing. The creators just took one tune, and based an entire soundtrack around that that feels so huge and complete. The creators really needed something that captured the essence of working towards your dream and not giving up. Well,they succeeded.

#7: Psycho Pass

Psycho Pass has an interesting OST that uses whatever it feels like fits best for its songs. As a result we got to enjoy Beethoven’s 9th symphony a few times where it really fitted with its themes. Apart from that there is the above main track (which only got played once so far), slow tracks, fast tracks, suspenseful ones. It’s very varied overall.

#6: Nazo no Kanojo X

This one really surprised me. I thought that this would be just a normal romance show, and then BAM! Awesome soundtrack. The composer actually went for this theme park theme that feels all like a dream, just as what the romance of this series is supposed to be: weird and too good to be true. The main track in particular is just something I’ll probably listen to a lot before it really gets boring: the use of instruments and sounds really is wonderful.

#5: From the New World

From the New World is based on a novel that is DARK beyond belief. The composers actually nailed that feeling by using children’s choir on one hand, and dark music on the others with a lot of electric guitars. Like, the soundtrack of a full fledged horror series. This combination between horror on one side and innocence on the other. It works really well.

#4: Sakamichi no Apollon

Yoko Kanno is back! And how. If I had to name my favorite composer for 2012, it’d be her (*hint*). But this just is completely amazing how well this show managed to capture the feeling of jazz, alongside various of the classics. The entire show is just full of some of the most amazing pieces, and seeing the characters actually play them using rotoscoped animation makes it even better. I mean, this was by far the series that had the best combination between animation and music of the entire year and you can really see that the musicians here are playing with feeling and freedom, rather than being too constrained (which I notice about a lot of other OSTs).

#3: Jojo’s Bizarre Adventure

Now we’ve gotten to the OSTs that completely blew me away this year. I mean, what the producers did with this series is just absolutely amazing. Not only does the soundtrack of Jojo KICK ASS beyond belief: it also gets just better and better as it goes on. The series consists out of two halves, and the creators actually made two separate OSTs for both halves, composed by two entirely different composers with entirely different feels. Both OSTs would have made it on this list, let alone a combination between these two. There are so many tracks on this soundtrack that just scream manliness, it’s unbelievable.

#2: Zetsuen no Tempest

This is a soundtrack that I still can’t believe how good it is. It is its composer’s, Michiru Oshima, best work most definitely and the complexity of some of the songs on this OST is still unbelievable. Again this is a soundtrack that just blew me away. It has classical influences, yet it’s not. It just keeps going and it also manages to use its tracks at the best possible moments. My musical knowledge is by far not good enough to really explain why this soundtrack is so fantastic and miles above the others. Just… listen to it.

#1: Aquarion Evol

For Aquarion Evol, the creators also combined two OSTs together: the ost of the first Aquarion, and some crazy guy on a piano with ridiculous skills. Really, the creators needed someone with incredible skills for one of the characters in this series, and they actually found one. I mean, this soundtrack is the only one this year that I’ve called a godly soundtrack, and for good reason: some of the tracks here are just insanely good. This show has so many orgasm references, and the soundtrack just fits in completely with it.

Top 61-46 TV-Series
Ah you know what? I’ve seen a bit fewer series this year compared to other years. I’m going to rank all of the shows for this year’s summary. In order to egilibile, I need to have finished watching it, or need to be watching it right now. So if a series is missing: that’s why. Today, I bring you numbers 61 to 45.

#61: Guilty Crown

For the worst show I managed to finish this year… I just have to go to Guilty Crown. There really is no contest here: it just went wrong on so many levels. The story revolved way too much around Shu, who could never really decide what he wanted to be. It kept forcing the most ridiculous plot twists through, and despite all that, it was incredibly boring with incredibly bland characters.

#60: Ozuma

Ozuma just managed to make this list because it was so short: only six episodes long. The whole premise around underground submarines really had me intrigued for a while, but this show never really uses it. Add in some incredibly stupid characters and a background that is nothing but empty exposition, and you’ve got a show that I’m not gonna recommend…

#59: Sword Art Online

Sword Art Online is the last show that I reluctantly finished this year. As in, I’d given up hope on it but just finished it for the sake of finishing it and having a good view of what went wrong there. It started off very interesting, but it just jumped the shark in its second half by completely disrespecting its female lead and just making no sense in so many ways.

#58: Medaka Box

Medaka Box’s biggest problem was its timing, especially in its second half. Here it had set out this interesting shounen series, only to air right next to two other shounen jump adaptations that were just in the midst of breaking all boundaries in the genre. The result was that it just paled in comparison. It had some interesting ideas, but spent too much on explaining stuff and too little on actually delivering a good storyline and characters.

#57: K

K was gorgeously animated and fun, but unfortunately also a tad unambitious. At first I thought that this would be a really ambitious series, but in the end the only thing that the characters ended up doing was run around trying to find the truth behind some murder that actually turned out to be pretty simple, all amidst some talk about seven kinds of kings whose significance I still don’t really understand…

#56: Tari Tari

Tari Tari aimed to be a character study, and for most part it worked out. In the end though, it was a bit too bland for its own good, and it rather looked down upon its male characters, who got much less attention than the female cast members. Add that to a rather flimsy ending that just felt lazy, and you have a series that I’m looking back to with rather neutral feelings.

#55: Sankarea

Ah, Sankarea. You had great ideas, and a number of really good episodes there. There were some points that really impressed me, but most of the show just moved too slowly, or just plainly got on my nerves. Especially that damn cousin was annoying, and the resolution itself was one that I found rather flimsy.

#54: Papa no Iukoto ni Kikinasai

Here is the thing with Papa wo Iukoto ni Kikinasai: I remember that it was better than expected and had some genuine moments, but I can hardly remember anything about it now, 9 months later. It was rather… forgettable, even though it did show some interesting things about a guy having to take care of his cousins and having to find ways to cope with it. Usagi Drop it wasn’t, though.

#53: Teekyu

Teekyu was just the people from Studio Mappa wanting to do something completely silly and nonsensical, so they made a show about a tennis club that tried to be as random as possible. Just something to shut my brain off to and enjoy the energy and weird camera angles.

#52: Kyoukai Senjou no Horizon

Kyoukai Senjou no Horizon in the end never really managed to convince me with its combination of really creative powers, over the top action and huge setting. In the end, none of the characters caught my attention, and they all never really went beyond their one-dimensional caricatures. Even though there was so much interesting stuff going on in the background, it made the show a bit of a pain to sit through at times. Nevertheless though, I do appreciate this show for trying to be as creative as possible.

#51: Little Busters

Little Busters is a show that still needs to redeem itself, but it’s right now harmless enough. It has some incredibly annoying characters, but it still is enjoyable enough to watch and it’s got some good characterization amongst its main cast that helps a lot. The male characters in particular are quite well done. The female characters… yeah.

#50: Thermae Romae

I originally wanted to list this series a bit lower on this ranking due to its incredibly crappy animation, but in the end I just had to acknowledge: this show was really entertaining with just its three episodes about roman bathing. It’s unique, and I love the risk that Noitamina took in order to air it. Just next time, let it get animated by an actual animation studio, rather than DLE.

#49: Ano Natsu de Matteru

This series was solid romance. Nothing more, nothing less. It never really gets really high, but it wasn’t pointless either. It’s got some good climaxes, believable acting and an interesting overall theme of making a movie, which are balanced out by a few rather annoying and pointless episodes and contrived twists.

#48: Nisemonogatari

The past winter was definitely the season that made me the most angry and pissed off. There are three series to thank for that: Guilty Crown, Persona 4 (which got so bad that I had to drop it), and Nisemonogatari. DEAR GOD, talk about wasted potential. The animation is stunning. It just oozes style. It has so many interesting ideas. So why on earth did it take so incredibly long to get somewhere? There were so many points at which this show just wasted ages on pointless fanservice. One episode okay, but this show just had to do this for every single girl in the cast or something. It took way too long to get from A to B because of that. Aargh, I really hope that the next Monogatari series are a bit better balanced so that they can really show off their creativity like with the toothbrush scene.

#47: Black Rock Shooter

You know? I think that in the end, I did like Black Rock Shooter. It had some… really weird design decisions and the whole set of characters in the black rock shooter world were just there to fight, but the action was epic and really well done, and the plot, while really weird actually did lead to a very nice conclusion in the end. Despite some over the top characters who were a bit too much like psychopaths, I enjoyed the ride. Also, the show had the guts to just be 8 episodes instead of being dragged out. More shows need to do that.

#46: Danshi Koukousei no Nichijou

Perhaps not the funniest comedy of the year, but it did have moments that really made me laugh with its combination between weird role play and weird reversal of high school stereotypes. There were enough scenes at which it just wasn’t funny, but the funny scenes made up for it. Tomokaze Sugita as a voice actor especially was on fire in this show.

16 Responses

  1. Airies says:

    All in my opinion
    (don’t rage people who think that I state everything as fact, its not okay!)

    Okay I just listen to that zetsuen track and I must say, I hated it! really did not like that one sorry. Chihayafuru I absolutly agree on but should of be placed higher. good that Nazo no kanojo X, ShinSekai Yori, sakamichi no apollon and akb0048 are on this list because they all have fantastic tracks. Rinne no lagrange should be on there and also ano natsu de matteru.

    but your actual list of anime I pretty much agree on except for some. ano natsu de matteru which I actually thought was an awesome show so thats interesting that it scored low here. Nisemonogatari was far better than black rock shooter, which was a very horrible show. medaka box is better than K and Sankarea is better than teekyu. But other than that its pretty agreeable.

    • aoi says:

      That’s because the truly amazing soundtracks of Zetsuen are nowhere to be found on youtube :P

      Just watch the first episode, and you’ll hear the theme playing somewhere.

    • boa_sting says:

      Likewise I disagree about Ano Natsu not delivering any highs. *general spoilers below*

      The main couple was pretty lame once hooked up, the alien subplot didn’t really fit, the action scenes and alien healing didn’t really fit either, the movie-making backstory didn’t particularly do much, the beach episode was a beach episode, and so on, sure.

      Kanna and Tetsuro in particular had some decent character development, and I thought the directing was pretty good at times. As just one example, notice that in Episode 1, Tetsuro’s talking to Kanna, trying to prod her towards Kaito and give her a chance to score. In Episode 12, with pretty much the same setting and backdrop, Tetsuro pretty much starts to say the same thing–but this time, Kanna (knowing what’s going on, having been hurt but having moved on, etc.) cuts him off and changes the subject.

      I also don’t particularly mind the slow pace and excessive dialogue in Nisemonogatari, though I’m not really a fan. I’d also put that a bit higher. Some of the interesting ideas and animation really put it far ahead of a lot of shows.

      Maybe my tolerance for inconsistency and poor parts of shows is higher than the norm. Dunno.

    • anona says:

      I won’t listen to zetsuen’s ost separately since it’s not to my liking. but it really fits and really enhances the scenes in zetsuen so I consider it to be very good.

  2. info600 says:

    Eventhough I agree to most of your reasonings, I wish you would give the characters in Kyoukai Senjou no Horizon another chance…

    (or did I misinterpret something there?)

  3. kram says:

    Tonari Kaibutsukun OST was actually pretty good too.

  4. imredjimmy says:

    I have to agree almost completly with your choices. Aquarion Evol’s OST is without any doubt one of the best of the year. I still get chills when I listen to Aquaria Mau Sora.

    I don’t seem to see anything wrong with your top anime for now. I’m curious to know if Uchyuu Kyoudai will be #1. That would be your kind of choice.

  5. nasary says:

    You´ve liked this zetsuen no tempest OST because this is BEETHOVEN!!!!! And the beethoven _tempest_ sonata 3rd movement (yes this is not a coincidence!!!)… http://youtu.be/LfjD-DQ5REk How I love when they use classical music and revisited them…. regards!!! I just love your blog!!!!

    • boa_sting says:

      Somehow I liked this reference a lot more than From the New World’s usage of Goin’ Home as the signal for kids to go home for the day. (Goin’ Home is heavily based on the Largo theme from Dvorak’s 9th Symphony aka New World Symphony).

  6. Komosha says:

    Hmm. I mostly agree, but I am immensely surprised to find Niseimonogatari so low. I found it very enjoyable, in particular the excellent dialogue and random fun.

    • KaZuHiRo says:

      psgels had high expectations with the -gatari series. The expectations were not met apparently.

      • FreshSushi says:

        Personally I thought that Nisemonogatari was one of the best shows this year (sadly it wasn’t as good as its predecessor). I guess I just have different views on entertainment than psgels.

  7. Vonter says:

    The AKB0048 medley sounds like something I’ll hear in Super Smash Bros.

  8. Entrav says:

    Interesting pick for the number 1 OST. Haven’t really paid attention to Aquarion Evol.

  9. reverse says:

    good work on compiling soundtrack, Nazo no Kanojo X sounded interesting

    • reverse says:

      so i assuming ranking of the soundtrack based on how well sounded or does it fit with the situation, what are the priority

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Kaiser-Eoghan
@Anon: Lol I love B-movie type stuff, because the rules are off.
Kaiser-Eoghan
I was the only person who watched Mazinkaiser skl and shin mazinger and skullman.
Anonymous2026379
@Kaiser Takeshi Koike really wanted to really sell it as a grindhouse feature and I ate that shit up; I really dug the tone he was going for.
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Anon: It was strange seeing that Goemon short, much as I enjoyed it, thats the goriest I seen lupin get.
Anonymous2026379
Megalo box is pure retro while lupin is a mix of old and new...and you're right; people just think they can't jump right into it. But that's why more people should be talking about it; to let the masses know that you don't need a starting point to get into the Lupin franchise
Kaiser-Eoghan
I'm a massive fan of the devilman manga and I thought devilman crybaby was better than it.
Anonymous2026379
90's-esque throwback feeling shows like lupin and megalo box have been giving me
Anonymous2026379
Luoin part 5 is definitely mixing the best of new and old. Honestly, I've been having a blast with it as well as this generally 90
Kaiser-Eoghan
I think the problem is, people see lupin as this long thing they can't get into, when really its so episodic/standalone mostly you can pick up and watch.
Kaiser-Eoghan
And of course getting the best bits out of old and new.
Kaiser-Eoghan
*visual style
Kaiser-Eoghan
I'm a fan of this hybrid old and new style, megalobox does it too, mine fujiko aswell and casshern sins.
Kaiser-Eoghan
I was surprised by how well the Fujiko mine show came together in the end.
Kaiser-Eoghan
I'll be interested in picking up more facts about thrm.
Kaiser-Eoghan
Come think of it, Akira Kurosawa did some old western (eastern?) in Russian, that had an Ainu in it.
Anonymous2026379
Asirpa is sooooo adorable.....almost feels patronizing to say that about her due to how badass she is
Anonymous2026379
What makes Fujiko work so well as this sexy icon is that she isn't just sexy: she's smart as shit and uses that sexiness to dominate and control her opponents (similar to bayonetta) rather than be chained by the objectification of her opponents (and the viewers for that matter)
Anonymous2026379
I wonder what other obscure cameos we may get this season. And yea you're right about some of Lupin's potentially sexist traits being assuaged by his level of cool and the genuine respect he shows a good deal of the women he has encountered throughout the series
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Anon: Yet still a fun film at the same time.
Anonymous2026379
@Kaiser Yea, mamo was a pretty dark element introduced to the lupin franchise; and considering the tone of the gravestone of Jigen, it makes sense he would cameo there
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Mario: Help I want to kidnap Asirpa =<
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Anon: I'm probably as surprised as you, at finding someone to talk to about Lupin on here.
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Anon: And through comparing/contrasting the jigen grave stone and Fujiko mine, with some of the sillier older ones, it shows the Lupin characters are flexible enough to work both in a darker AND sillier context.
Kaiser-Eoghan
*character
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Anon: Fujiko is precisely how a fanservicey character should work and how built in/essential it is to her haracter, without becoming an irritant.
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Anon: By all means Lupin himself shouldn't be a character we like, much like Bond, but like Bond theres a coolness to the character that allows us to love him.
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Anon: Another great thing about Lupin is how it uses its 60s cool to get away with what would normally probably be considered fairly sexist.
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Anon: I had a big smile on my face when Mamo made a cameo appearance at the end of one of the recent ones and thats because I remember the Lupin Mamo movie was one of those first anime that I watched about 20 years aago.
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not to mention that its one of the few anime this season that actually knows how to utilize dialogue to explore flesh out its characters rather than exposition or contrivance: looking at you darling in the franxx
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@Kaiser-Eoghan Nice fun facts; but yea Lupin III is a series that has always had an amazing sense of pacing and adventure, traits that are definitely on display this season
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Anon: Its a huge franchise too so I'm often never sure where to go next.
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Anon: You may or may not know this, but the voice actor for solid snake voiced Lupin in one of the dubs.
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Anon: I watched a few episodes of the Italy set lupin show too .
Its a fun franchise due to its cast but its something I have to follow irregularly, lest it get repetitive.
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@Anon: Fun fact, guy who directed the gold of babylon film was a famous B-movie noir director in the 60s.
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Dont trust anything written by the original SAO author. Everything is his fault. Kirito is not in this series.
Lenlo
Even the original SAO author has little to do with it, which is why its actually good
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So SAO Alt is basically completely removed from the rest of SAO
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Anon: Lupin is one of those things I dip in and out of, whatever part of the franchise it is. I've seen birdcage kingdom, Mamo, cagliostro, nostradamus, Jigens grave stone, mine fujiko and the recent Goemon centred special.
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it's a damn shame not a lot of ppl are talkig about/watching lupin the third this season
Kaiser-Eoghan
But for all I know with that team behind it, its an improvement, but theres probably not much point in me watching as I dropped the first season after less than 10 episodes.
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See how he attempts to seduce me into watching something related to sword art.
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I wish I knew what you meant by shaman girls, and I cant wait
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@Lenlo, Oh I know Leskinen. May he find his Japanese Shaman girls one day. But seeing as I know the story I wanna experience it differently.
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Mario: Its even set in hokkaido, Korean/Japanese director, Japanese cast, Ken Watanabe is in it: https://letterboxd.com/film/unforgiven-2013/
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@Kaiser: really? They remade Unforgiven in Japanese?
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Like... is good.
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But your missing out on the cult of Leskinen. The engrish is actually one of my favorite parts
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@Lenlo, Meanwhile I am happily waiting for the dub.
Lenlo
Dangit... I have to wait another week for Steins;Gate 0 now. I cant do this.
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Mario: The Japanese remake of unforgiven had ainu people in it.
Anonymous2025797
Also I wonder if budget is distributed according to the director, some animes will spend more in the first episode. Some will spend more in the last ones. It's subjective, but if it's like all business it is looking for the better result at the minimum expense. Hence why I believe Berserk was made the way it did.
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@Kaiser-Eoghan - Ideally a story should be as long as it needs. But reality seems that a number of episodes is decided before production. And so you either have to stretch or cut material. Kinda like that 300 page manga of Les Miserables, is simply unfeasible translating that book into that few pages.
KTravlos
Oberstein was a great character.
KTravlos
I actually feel Aidan can do a good job on it. Sometimes been too exposed to the material may lead to clouded eyes.
Kaiser-Eoghan
Though I'm surprised by how I unexpectedly laughed at wotaku, I do wonder if later on it will include any slight drama elements to sustain interest.
Kaiser-Eoghan
OMO; OBERsteins; Gate =P
Kaiser-Eoghan
From watching episode 2 of golden kamuy, yeah, the source material definitely is lifting this.
Kaiser-Eoghan
I'm going to have to wait and see on steins; gate 0, it is encouraging to here this might be darker , at the same time I remember having to sit through too much goofy humour in the first one.
Kaiser-Eoghan
I was actually surprised, that, while rare, there were some moments of humour, that lightened it for me.
AidanAK47
Throughout the entire series I expected Oberstein to pull some inevitable double cross. And was shocked when he never did.
Amagi
@Kaiser: Agree with Oberstein. I think antagonists are es important as the mains in fiction and I loved this guy, he's perfect for series like these.
Kaiser-Eoghan
Galactic heroes was an example of where when watching it, when big death scenes occured, I would make noooooo and shouting noises at the screen while clenching my fist.
Kaiser-Eoghan
I love characters like Oberstein, shrewd, clever, but done right to where I can believe it, not characters like, say Lelouch .
Kaiser-Eoghan
I'd be concerned if the new galactic heroes series skimps on the violence, that kind of thing needs to be in there, in most shows/films and shown to be explicit, consequences need to be shown.
Amagi
*about, not with
Amagi
Sadly, most original 2+ cours series I know feel dragged whereas many 1 cours originals could have needed ~3 more episodes. Talking with series that have an actual plot of course.
Amagi
I really like the 13 episodes thingy for originals but I wish there would be more 26 episodes series, especially for adaptions.
Amagi
@Kaiser: I agree. Nothing kills my interest faster than formularic episodes and repetition.
Kaiser-Eoghan
In general I think 50 episodes would be the most I'd watch for an anime, 39 seems ideal.
Amagi
Or worse and the romance drama is the main plot and it's Kiznaiver all over again, while the rest is just flavor to make the romances more forced since they're the MCs are only teens and such. Dunno but I can never bring myself to care about this kind of stuff.
Kaiser-Eoghan
Though better 110 episodes of galactic heroes than a long shounen that just repeats itself.
Amagi
Speaking of recent episodes, I unironically thing that FranXX's world (building) is pretty interesting (although I hope those klaxxosaurusses will be more than just random cannon fodder) but I doubt the series will ever get to the main plot again the next time.
Amagi
Same here. It was really the only time I did this. I am usually exhausted by just thinking about marathoning long series. It's the reason why I won't get into FMP for the new series either. LotGH was an exception since I found it easily to watch for some reason.
SuperMario
Man, just image burning through 110 episodes of it and my spirit fades away
Amagi
Watched that whole series ages ago.
Amagi
Just watched the first three Neue These episodes and I surprinsingly liked it. Thought I would hate it due to being an OVA fan, and I still prefer the old designs by far but overall it's pretty good. I think I might even prefer this version of the first battle, but I have to rewatch the old one I guess.
Kaiser-Eoghan
Also while I can't remember which episode, Yang picks up a book with the author of the series' name on it.
Kaiser-Eoghan
Arslan feels so lightweight by contrast/comparison.
Kaiser-Eoghan
And I think, given your knowledge KTtravlos, that a series review of the new galactic heroes season would probably benefit from you writing it.
Kaiser-Eoghan
I bring up the music in my earlier comment, because I can understand your reservations regarding the music choice in the remake.
Kaiser-Eoghan
And certainly one of those shows, that going back to the first episode after finishing, gives a strong perspective just on how evolving the series was.
Kaiser-Eoghan
*despite me not
Kaiser-Eoghan
Despite not being monarchist , because the characters were human moreso than cartoon characters I couldn't hate on Reinhard.
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Travlos: I suppose by the time it got to Julian's arc, I was surprised they were still bothering to fight but the fact that they were essentially the last bastion of their beliefs made it special.
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Travlos: Sometimes when I just finish a show, its a case where I HAVE to jump online immediately after and excitedly ramble out an essay on it.
niello
ugh democracy
KTravlos
@Kaiser ultimately LOGH for me was a decisive point in my political life, as I think it made the best defense of democracy in any form I have seen. And it worked partly because the opponent was presented in the best possible incarnation (Rienhard). Yang's continued adherence to democracy, despite recongising its flaws, helped me avoid a personal descent into authoritarian politics.
KTravlos
@Kaiser. I am happy you had a good experience. I watched the prequels a while after the main show and I was happy because it was great getting back to those characters. The prequels were also great in fleshing the setting and the characters. So yes, take your time and a break. That way the prequels will be like visiting a place you liked again after a while.
Kaiser-Eoghan
@KTtravlos: I have some other stuff to get through before watching the galactic heroes prequel though =<
Kaiser-Eoghan
YES according to discord poster I'm not a millenial!
Kaiser-Eoghan
Sorry for overposting. I have always always being an incredibly verbose person.
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Vonter; Not that I oppose captilistically made for a buck cinema, it can be entertaining yes, but I set a standard.
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Vonter: As open as I am to trash cinema, I consider the resident evil films, like the superhero ones, anti-art.
Kaiser-Eoghan
I can understand why people don't like Villier, but he did I think work as a device to add extra tension.
Kaiser-Eoghan
I feel some release at finishing but at the same time sadness at saying goodbye to the show and its characters.
Kaiser-Eoghan
, showing its age.
But for something of this length, it kept itself up far better than most long shows and I feel the length its somewhat justified.

On another note….as corny as the third ending theme is, I got the feels listening to it.
Kaiser-Eoghan
But while the first 50 odd episodes were an easy job for me aswell as all of the 4th season and some of the late 3rd season made it difficult for me to pull myself away from it, the dialogue even though often well observed did become difficult to follow at times and somewhere in the middle theres a stretch of episodes, bar some moments that feel a bit of an endurance test and the animation is at
Kaiser-Eoghan
Its attention to detail I felt was at its strongest in the documentary and the series dedication to filling the view in on its world building/fictional history.
Kaiser-Eoghan
I admired the scope, ambition of this series and the battles eventually grew on me and I was surprised by just how visceral the melee combat got which suited me perfectly. At the same time for all the strategy and action, I found myself more in it for the story, characters and intrigue/politicking. Those battles, due in part to their music choices, had an epic feel to them
Kaiser-Eoghan
In the end the characters stood out for me the best were Reinhard, Oberstein (for being essentially the amazing man with the plan), Reuntal, Kircheis and Rubinsky, I warmed up to Julian, Yang and Schenkop. When important deaths occurred, they felt highly dramatic, in four cases emotionally effecting for me .
Kaiser-Eoghan
Also, KTtravlos, thank you for pushing me toward watching the original legend of the galactic heroes, my opinion on the series is largely a mixed one, but by the end I felt I’d watched something rewarding and I’m happy its crossed off my list and I should have gotten round to it sooner.
Kaiser-Eoghan
I'm probably the oldest here, being 32. Which apparently makes me around Yang-wenli's age, which according to someone means I'm middle aged .
Kaiser-Eoghan
To the discord guy who brought it up, its difficult not for me to be political, my father was an activist and is a Marxist , I ended up becoming a contradiction a semi-agnostic, but spiritually inclined/tolerant socialist with internationalist ideology.
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Aidan: Ends in very cliffhanger/abrupt indy way though and the things weakness/how to kill thems too easy.
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Aidan: I liked how it explains nothing also and the creature design and how it visual communicates to the audience.
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Aidan: While I won't say anything, a character death is handled in what I considered a schmaltzy manner. There is a particularly headscratching decision the characters make that you'll either rationalize or hate, but it leads to one of the tenser set pieces later on.
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Aidan: Quiet place has a good idea at its backbone, that they use sign language in the film to communicate and occassional whispers adds to it, it and the silence allows for a mood to be effectively communicated. It does have jump scares, I wasn't annoyed by them, but I never felt the film required them.
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Aidan: I read the discord, if you ever need to ask a question relating to film, come to me about it, I will without fail be able to answer 9 times out of 10.
Kaiser-Eoghan
I was adequately amused by the first episode of wotaku, but found the male lead funnier, which I'm attributing to him be more deadpan.
Lenlo
We found a convient weekend for everyone
Kaiser-Eoghan
*watching
Kaiser-Eoghan
I would also float the idea of recommendation podcasts every now and then.
Kaiser-Eoghan
I will listen to the podcast more in full later. But I was surprised after asking/suggesting it on the discord, that it came so soon.
Kaiser-Eoghan
I am thinking of re-watching gasaraki and ai yori aoshi.
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Niello: Perhaps after a while of watch the anime I will simply jump on to the manga.
Vonter
I watched Resident Evil: Vendetta yesterday. It's incredible dumb but kind of fun. I do wonder if in terms of entertainment are like the best videogame based movies. Since it plays like a videogame, it's based on a videogame and is more or less in line with the tone the series has had for a while.
niello
It's such a shame that Golden Kamuy art direction is such a train wreck.
KTravlos
and for the sake of Clausewitz there is clinical term for what Reinhard did. It is called "defeat in detail". Napoleon was a master of it. Proper way to defeat it , is to order the threatened force to retreat to a point where other allied forces are converging. The enemy will either have to retreat, or fight at a disadvantage. The 1813 and 1814 campaigns against Napoleon are examples of that.
KTravlos
Episode 2 of LOGGH: Der Neue Thesis was much better than the first. The music is still an issue, but Yang was well portrayed. I do think there is lack of the directors in showing the cruelty of war, like the first one did. We will see.
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Mario: Still need to see his short films and black Peter.
Amagi
@Anon: I already know the manga and enjoy it, think the anime is a good adaption so far. Feels good to see a series about video games that are actually just games and romance without tsunderes, tons of blushing or unworldly naive harem girls.
Anonymous2016456
the anime
Anonymous2016456
how do you guys think of wotakoi?
SuperMario
@Kaiser: Hereditary sounds pretty promising here
Kaiser-Eoghan
Forman's an interesting case, when you look at the huge disconnect from his early films from the 60s and then what he went on to make.
Kaiser-Eoghan
Ah, unfortunately I am not a fan of country music so Nashville didn't appeal to me =<
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Mario: And before Jack kept playing the same role over and over.
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Mario: Aside from Courtney Love's presence, Larry Flynt is an excellent film. I love the custom camera tricks Kubrick used in Lyndon , dog day afternoon suceeded for me because it did so much more than being just a bank rob film. I wish Spielberg would return to his pre-90s films .
SuperMario
Cuckoo's Nest reminds me of the great 1975 Oscar Best Picture, which for me was Oscar's greatest line-up. The line-ups for that year were: Cuckoo Nest (winner), Nashville, Barry Landon, Dog Day Afternoon and Jaws
SuperMario
@Kaiser: RIP the man. I've seen 2 of his, Amadeus and Cuckoo Nest. Both great but they were more because of the strength of the source
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Mario: Milos forman has died =<
Kaiser-Eoghan
Indeed the character designs in steins; gate have seen changes....shockingly mayuri's chest is larger than Daru's ;)
KTravlos
I can live with that. Interested to see what made you reserved.
SuperMario
@KTravlos: you won't agree with my series review then. I have a lot of reservations on VE
KTravlos
Also I finished Violet Evergarden. This was an exceptional series in my book.
KTravlos
the two characters. Finally the battle soundtrack was simply wrong.

I am going to watch it because it is LOGH. And frankly after watching the new one I felt the fact that the old one was dated technical wise (but not in music). But at least on comparison of first episodes, the old one did a better job at giving depth to Reinhard and Keircheis.
KTravlos
well I watched the first episode of the new LOGH and then watched the first episode of the older version. The update in the art is good..but. If the old one was too talky, this one is too boom boom. I also felt that they did not sue the time well to establish Reihard and Kircheis well. Especially the removal of some lines that were in the first episode of the original, really took away a lot from
SuperMario
@Amagi: I can see your point but what a premise for Golden Kamuy.
Kaiser-Eoghan
Although golden kamuy is labeled seinen, which gives me some more hope for it.
SuperMario
@Amagi: agree with you about remembering stuffs you've watched. For me, it's always until the second watch that I can remember the plot or characters clearly. Otherwise, all will get hazy like a dream
Anonymous2011116
@Anon Watch a few eps and then male an informed decision based on that; I find the storytelling to be a bit weak but you might not feel the same
AidanAK47
@Anon, If you can ignore the rather odd fanservice and sex symbolism it's actually a pretty enjoyable show with good animation whose story has been getting better.
Amagi
Think it's always the best to watch the first episode since other people might hate something you will love or vice versa.
Amagi
@Anon: For me it still feels like Kiznaiver but I think it really depends on how much you care about the characters and teen relationship deama.
Anonymous2010671
Hey is Darlin the Franxx actually good? It looked kind of just like an ecchi mecha series, but just kind of glancing at the reviews over here makes me think it's more than I'm giving it credit for
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