Posted by psgels on 28 January 2013 with categories: Psycho Pass

And the system just continues to break down. Previously we were introduced to the rare case in which someone kills whilbe being perfectly mentally healthy. This time the dominators are limited even more by devies that mimic the Psycho Passes of others. I can only see this escalate and get better.

Also kudos to the directors in this episode. First of all, the gore in this series really hits the mark, especially the part where that woman was being beaten to death and how everyone just looked on. It most of all showed how desensitized to problems and violence this society is, and I was really at the edge of my seat. Later, when Makishima started kicking ass I noticed that we’re really talking about Production IG here: it’s been a while since they’ve done a fight scene like that, but I really like the style of trying to be as realistic as possible. That only makes it hurt more.

The one criticism I do have is that everyone is lumped together in this series. I would have liked to see in the minds of those bystanders for example, and why they found it interesting to film that incident. That really was the first time where we really got a good view of what was wrong with the Psycho Pass society, but it’s not in much detail. I’d like some attention on tha in the next few episodes, because it also serves as a good backup for Makishima’s motivations.
Rating: 5.5/8 (Excellent)

52 Responses

  1. Cytl says:

    I guess now we know why Kogami couldn’t shoot the chainsaw guy from the first episode. This episode really felt like an upgrade in plot intensity, production AND cruelty (episode 11 aside). Right now this is the show I look forward the most of what I’m currently watching.

    • Loz says:

      You literally said what I was going to say haha. The first scene from the show makes so much sense now after watching this episode. It looks like things are only going to escalate further.

  2. boa_sting says:

    Well, the person-dying-(or dead, or getting beat down)-and-nobody-stops-to-help thing happens in modern-day society not that infrequently too. I guess these are the kinds of easy opportunities you get when working with science fiction (loosely speaking, in the broadest sense of the genre), to draw references from or make comments about the current day.

    To be honest, I’m not sure if all of the exposition in the past couple episodes on the system and Psycho Pass is really that necessary. Of course, we’re nowhere near seeing the end yet, but I feel like sometimes drawing too many lines and fleshing details out can limit the scope of possibilities and interpretations. There’s a fine line between providing too much structure and too little, where events seem unmotivated / plot holes abound / Deus ex machina.

    That said, it looks like Makishima’s got plenty left up his sleeves. Overall I’d say that things are shaping up well for this show.

    • Puran says:

      The problem with the exposition is that it doesn’t really add a lot to the setting. It keeps showing ways where the system sucks and fails. It’s like the series desperetaly keeps trying to convince us about something that was apparent from the start: Sybil is flawed and sucks.

      At this point I have completely sided with Makishima (well, minus the whole killing people thing…).

      • HunterWulf says:

        Well, you are only assuming things that has never been elaborated upon at all, the Sybil system was made for a reason .. probably at some point crime rates hit an extremely high point that normal cops and methods weren’t working at all in terms of stopping crimes from happening (rather than clearing the mess and capturing the criminal after he/she commits the crime) .. so they thought the more effective way to deal with things is to remove criminals from society before they muster enough will to commit their crimes .. which is in fact very effective.

        The way you assume Sybil is flawed and sucks is extremely short-sighted and flawed in and of itself .. with the exception of the first episode (guy refusing to take medication and resisting arrest by taking hostage) every single crime that happened is propagated by Makshima Shogo .. crime rates are probably extremely low (which means Sybil did a great job in that regard) and that’s what the scene with the woman being beaten to death while everyone watches silently SHOWS CLEARLY .. people were sanitized and didn’t do anything because crimes like these don’t happen anymore (becasue of the extremely low crime rates) and they couldn’t comprehend what was happening.

        Shogo isn’t doing what he is doing becasue Sybil is flawed and sucks .. he is doing it becasue he is convinced that life isn’t worth it if you don’t live it fully .. he believes that human awareness and instincts are more valuable than human life and that humans who don’t have those aren’t humans anymore .. that’s why he is doing what he is doing .. Sybil doesn’t suck and no system no matter how elaborate can be perfect .. so saying it is flawed is silly .. of course it is .. any and all systems made by humans are flawed .. but compared to other systems Sybil is far less flawed (mainly because of people like Shogo being able to slip between the tiny cracks).

        So just saying “It’s like the series desperetaly keeps trying to convince us about something that was apparent from the start: Sybil is flawed and sucks” shows you haven’t been paying enough attention to what the show is trying to say here .. every scene counts.

        • Da5id says:

          So why don’t they have episodes that focus on the system’s benefits instead of how bad it is at enforcing the law?

          • HunterWulf says:

            That’s left for the viewer who use their brains to deduce (and it ain’t rocket science) … like most people do in real life .. usually no one praises a government when it does well except those who make propaganda to it … people only speak out loudly against a governments mistakes and shortcomings and focus on it blowing it out of proportions (usually ignoring any good sides for it if the issue they are complaining about affects their lives directly).

            Long story short you can easily deduce how the system is working from many observations out throughout all the episodes.

            1-The one who planned 99% of the crimes since the start of the show is Shogo Makishima .. it’s almost as if the whole department have no other crimes to deal with (except maybe the one from ep1), remove Shogo and you will have the character sitting in their office playing cards all day (which is pretty much what the department manager says when she explains why they need to remove/erase Shogo from existence in secret).

            2-The people’s reaction to the street beating is pretty clear indication that the people rarely have to deal with crimes to the point where they can’t recognize one happening in front of them.

            3-Shogo himself wants to destroy the system not becasue it isn’t working but becasue it is working and that the complete lack of violence, tension, danger and crimes has left the people sedated and sterilized to the point where they are slowly losing their awareness and instincts which Shogo considers more important than living a life like a vegetable (which is an arguable matter).

            Leaving all this for the viewer to discern is far better than the show dedicating an entire episode to praise the benefits of Sybil .. which IMO would be quite pretentious and forced.

          • Da5id says:

            Ever heard of SHOW, don’t TELL?

  3. Will says:

    This show is just getting stupid, but that’s just my opinion.

    • Puran says:

      The problem is that the setting is… well… shallow. It has been that way from the start. I don’t see how it has gotten worse in the recent episodes though. Care to elaborate?

      • HunterWulf says:

        Shallow !!!.. WTF !!? .. are you kidding, what are you even comparing it to .. what does that even make shows like Queen’s Blade and Fairy Tail .. PP Shallow, what !!?

        This episode alone elaborates on a lot of things .. heck .. here is some food for thought .. Shogo might seem like he has a point when he says that humans have degenerated mentally and physically in order to live in a safer society .. but if you look at the bigger picture you will see that in fact this is what has been happening to humans ever since the dawn of history .. cavemen probably had sharper instincts, far better awareness and were far more nimble and stronger than the average human today .. but life was extremely harsh and dangerous .. the price humanity paid for the luxurious life most of us live to today is the same price the people in the future will pay to get their safe lives .. but how far will this go !!!? .. and will we even be recognizable as humans if we go further down that road (sacrificing our instincts and awareness for safety).

        Shallow .. yeah .. i see that.

        • Da5id says:

          Damn, you really take criticisms of shows personally.

          You may not know it, but trying to say too much is pretty the same as saying very little. The difference is that at least shows that don’t say that much know what they are. Psycho Pass is practically as bad as Guilty Crown in how it tries to make social commentaries that don’t even need to be made.

          • HunterWulf says:

            Damn, you seem to take other people’s opinions personally (i mean you came all the way from RC just to tell me that i really take criticisms of shows personally .. lols).

            No, saying too little is just being lazy, impressionable and pretty much a sign you have nothing meaningful to say or discuss.

            I don’t see how the social commentary in PP doesn’t need to be made or how does it even compare to GC (it’s ridiculous comparing PP to a crappy good-for-nothing show like GC) !!!

          • Da5id says:

            @HW: Calm down, man. The comparison is apt. It’s just a show.

        • Puran says:

          Where did Queen’s Blade come from?

          It’s like I’m saying “I don’t like this painting” and you’re saying “yeah but this child’s scribbles are much worse!”.

          But if we’re going to play the “compare to” game, then… Ghost in the Shell and Texhnolyze. Texhnolyze even has similar themes to Psycho Pass to an extent.

        • Will says:

          This episode made the setting feel more half-assed and cheaper than it already was.

          • HunterWulf says:

            Half-assed and cheap .. yeah yeah .. whatever .. why are even still watching the show then !!? .. go watch your non-half-assed non-cheap shows.

            Seriously .. just spouting baseless claims that make no sense doesn’t make you sound smarter nor above the people who enjoy a show like this .. don’t like it .. don’t watch it and spare us the pointless negativity.

    • HunterWulf says:

      The only thing stupid here is incomplete comments which make no sense and never elaborate on the accusations they contain in any way.

    • honeykiss says:

      I kinda agree, mostly because this episode is regurgitating information that was already fed to us at least three or four episodes ago. Or it felt like the characters were needlessly repeating themselves. Pay attention to the first conversation with the main cast. To me, this was just a filler episode with some new Makishima sequences and more shock footage. Because that’s what Psycho Pass tends to run with when it wants to create tension.

      Also, the public beating is probably Uro or whoever is writing this show pulling from the headlines when this happened to Shingo Minamino last year. Like those two host guys chatting on the train in Puella Magi Madoka. Sure likes twisting the knife, doesn’t he? Except, even if this is an anime with a supposedly desensitized sci-fi society, I find it tasteless how dull and dead the bystanders are to the event in front of them. This contrasts with the lady who was freaking out earlier in the episode so badly that it’s pretty dumb to me.

      Still, I do have hopes that this is just a low spot for the show. I really hope the main characters start with their full investigation and search for Makishima soon -like they were hinting last episode- and not get caught up with his blatant pleas for anarchy to progress the plot.

      • Kaiserin Emma says:

        @Honeykiss: I agree with the headline pulling comment.
        However regarding the contrast you mention I don’t see it as a bad thing, though many people in this society are probably desensitized that doesn’t necessarily mean everyone is.

        • honeykiss says:

          The reason why I said it’s tasteless is because of the ridiculously long statement at the end of each episode saying how these fictional events are “coincidental” to real life events, when that particular event borrowed pretty heavily from a real life crime. I understand the purpose of including criminal acts and the lifeless reaction shots of the crowd within the show’s premise. But, hamming up the negatives to try to make a point about Psycho Pass’s society is pretty lazy writing and was something that was already established episodes ago even.

          It was a pretty pointless scene to me is what I’m trying in vain to say. It felt like it was crammed in to build on the Kougami-Makishima rivalry this show’s trying to build, and that’s sad.

  4. kero says:

    I think the person who was taking the video was one of the guys who already knew something like that was going to happen.

    • HunterWulf says:

      Agreed, i think the Chinese Tech-guy who helps Makshima Shogo was there in the crowd and he is probably the one who sent Makshima the video, but don’t forget that he wasn’t the only one filming the crime.

  5. HunterWulf says:

    Definitely one of the finest episodes so far, not only does it explain the scene from the prologue (the flash-forward scene in the tower building) in which Kogami fights a guy with a helmet which was immune to Dominators and eventually cracks his helmet and kills him (then Shogo shows up .. and now we know that guys helmet was probably copying Shogo’s PP at the time) but it also elaborates that while Sybil has flaws (like any other system) it was in fact doing a great job (the job it was made for) which is preventing crimes before they happen and lowering crime rates significantly .. it seems to was too good at that to the point the society became sanitized to criminal acts and didn’t recognize a crime happening in front of them.

    And in a way that’s the price humans had to pay to get extremely low crime rates via Sybil .. they became sort-of-numb and sanitized, their instincts dulled and their awareness lowered .. many people would actually be okay with paying that price to live peacefully (majority of population) .. other people don’t like that and want to change things (like Shogo Makshima, who believes life isn’t worth living that in that sanitized way) .. but if you look at the bigger picture you will see that in fact this is what has been happening to humans ever since the dawn of history .. cavemen probably had sharper instincts, far better awareness and were far more nimble and stronger than the average human today .. but life was extremely harsh and dangerous .. the price humanity paid for the luxurious life most of us live to today is the same price the people in the future will pay to get their safe lives .. but how far will this go !!!? .. and will we even be recognizable as humans if we go further down that road (sacrificing our instincts and awareness for safety) .. just some food for thought.

    There were hints at that before but this episode elaborated on it beautifully and in detail and started the final act of the show that will lead us to the first scene in ep1.

    Before i end my comment i have to say the scene with the woman getting beaten to death in public was already quite disturbing by itself (specially knowing it did happen few times in real life .. check the ‘Bystander-Effect’ on Google” .. what made the scene far more creepy (and borderline black comedy at the same time) is the robot with the cute face addressing the woman being beaten to death and telling her she needs help and that she is distressed .. simply brilliant.

    • Puran says:

      No, the episode doesn’t at any point elaborate that the system works at any rate.

      It just told us that people react more to bad psycho pass readings than actual violence. And as you said yourself, what happened in this episode does happen today (the bystander effect) only in Psycho Pass’ universe it’s even worse. Yet another example where the series shows us that Psycho Pass’ society is even worse than ours. Sybil is working juust fine!

      Also, in previous posts you accused me of making assumptions on things the series hasn’t elaborated on. And then you’re doing just the same. You make a ton of assumptions that the system is working and had positive effects on society when the series has shown us no such thing at all.

      So here is a challenge. Show me a scene in the series where it is clearly SHOWN that Psycho Pass’ society has improved compared to ours (and hence proof that Sybil had a positive effect on society). Because all I see is a society where freedom of expression is limited (bands having to get authorised), where crime happens all the time and everyone’s fate is decided for them (everyone with a high-ish crime coefficient) and yet everyone feels just as lost as today.

      • Highfinder Highfinder says:

        I feel you are overreacting. For one it is feasible for the Psycho Pass system to have been slowly implemented over time. I highly doubt it was an instant thing. Even then it’s not as if the Psycho pass system is as constricting as the 1984 system. The 1984 system was pure domination and ultimately perfect at that. There was not way to counter it and many were not even in the position to try. The Psycho Pass system is much more free compared to that. There is still a place for self expression in the internet and even provides the illusion of choice. For one it doesn’t force people to take the jobs it recommends them, otherwise Akane wouldn’t be an officer.

        Also you seem to be basing your impressions on the episodes shown which were there for the purpose of showing the flaws of the system and where also Makishima’s schemes. AKA the man who means to destory it. Taking a look at Psycho pass society it is pretty clear that it is safer. Nobodies mugging anyone, no sign of mafia or criminal organizations, no sign of drug use, no homeless and they even stated in this episode that people don’t even bother locking their doors anymore. If that isn’t a sign of a safe environment then I don’t know what is.
        Even though there is still murder the chances of the murderer getting away with it is slim to none. Like you said, execution first ask questions later. No bullshit with lawyers getting out some asshole for self defense.

        Not saying the setting or writing is perfect but I find it within feasible levels. Unlike “from the new world” who’s setting I find unbelievable.

        • Da5id says:

          Just because we don’t see drugs, mafia, or homeless doesn’t mean they don’t exist somewhere in the city. For all we know, there could be plenty of people as smart as Makishima that are abusing the system to hide themselves or cause trouble that just isn’t focused on.

          Here’s an idea: Instead of having the protagonist be someone who was raised by this system to the point they can’t accept anything else (and thus being almost completely unrelatable because we have no idea what it’s like to be raised in that) have them be from a part of the country (or a different country) that still implements the judicial system like in OUR world. Maybe they’re there to observe the system for a foreign government to see if that country should use it as well, or something like that. This way, we could learn about the basics, history, perks, AND downsides of the Sibyl System as the main character does. Have the first 8 or 9 episodes be about developing the other cops (which PP barely does) and how the main character learns to adjust, accept, or reject this new system, examine pros and cons, take a look at how the system effects ALL citizens, with hints of Makishima’s schemes here and there.

          It’s fine to be able to come to these conclusions that it MIGHT be working somewhere that we aren’t seeing, but the story itself makes no attempt to actually explain itself when that’s what it should’ve been doing from the start.

          • Highfinder Highfinder says:

            Maybe because it doesn’t need too. You keep saying maybe there is still crime but aren’t taking in all the factors. There are scanners all over the city. Before you even think of committing a crime these things will pick it up. Makishima is shown to be an abnormality which the system is not adjusted to fight. He is also the only person who can actively fight the system within the system.
            Of course you may be thinking of those revolutionaries with the Molotov cocktails but honestly their attempt is laughable. They would be taken down before they could do any real unrecoverable damage because they simply can’t hide there hues from the system when going to attack it.

            With all the blatantly obvious exposition Gen’s doing I don’t think it needs some throwaway lines to justify saying why the system is perfect.

          • Da5id says:

            There’s no way he is the only person who can do this trick. Sure he might be the only one actively making trouble for the police, but he can’t be the only one who’s so committed to his cause that his Pass doesn’t rise. He’s just a sociopath and they may not be common, but they aren’t rare either.

            And I mean people from places that DON’T USE PSYCHO PASSES. The revolutionaries are inside and know they’re rebelling and that their actions are going against something, thus raising their stress levels. How does a dominator work against someone without a Psycho-Pass? I’m guessing not very well.

          • Highfinder Highfinder says:

            Didn’t the chief mention that they dealt with one before? They just are not very public about it. I do believe they mentioned how rare it was as well.

            Someone without a psycho pass? Now you are just being silly. They are born with them! The scanners scan. There is no mention of implanting a psycho pass.
            Just…just…are you even paying attention to the show you are complaining about?

          • Da5id says:

            Huh, really? I assumed it was an implant what with all of the cyberpunk and the HUD’s that people on the police force all get and cyber-implants are usually the way stories like this go. My bad.

          • Highfinder Highfinder says:

            Hate to admit but after double checking you are right. It is an implant. Though in that case it’s probably placed at birth and is impossible to remove so the argument still stands.

        • Da5id says:

          Lol, it’s okay.

          Anyway, but then my argument about foreign attacks also stands, since the Dominator has no way of registering a person who doesn’t have an implant.

          • Highfinder Highfinder says:

            The wiki for Psycho pass says they have a device implanted to measure their psycho pass however the official site states that there mental state is just measured without any implantation.
            So I was right…

      • HunterWulf says:

        You call that a challenge !!!, really .. i don’t need to be spoon fed the fact the Sybil is doing its work just fine, it’s freaking obvious.

        1-The one who planned 99% of the crimes since the start of the show is Shogo Makishima .. it’s almost as if the whole department have no other crimes to deal with (except maybe the one from ep1), remove Shogo and you will have the characters and the whole police force sitting in their office playing cards all day (which is pretty much what the department manager says when she explains why they need to remove/erase Shogo from existence in secret to keep the people’s trust in Sybil .. why the heck would people trust in Sybil if it didn’t improve their lives significantly in the first place !!!).

        2-The people’s reaction to the street beating is pretty clear indication that the people rarely have to deal with crimes to the point where they can’t recognize one happening in front of them.

        3-Shogo himself wants to destroy the system not becasue it isn’t working but becasue it is working .. and being too effective for its own good … and becasue of that fact Shogo considers the complete lack of violence, tension and danger to have left the people sedated and sterilized to the point where they are slowly losing their awareness and instincts which Shogo considers more important than living a life like a peaceful vegetable .. no tension, no danger, no need to use your instincts (which is an arguable matter).

        • Da5id says:

          Why would they trust it? Because they’ve never been offered anything different, so know they have to live with it. If you were raised in Nazi Germany and you never knew there were any other type of government for your entire life, would you try to rebel or suck it up? PS: Rebelling results in death by gassing (or in Psycho Pass’s case, your body exploding from being shot with an enforcer gun).

    • Puran says:

      Let me try and explain myself better through dialogue…

      -Hey, I have an idea!
      -What?
      -Let’s make a system that controls every aspect of people’s lives!
      -Uhhh, haven’t you read 1984? That’s a bad idea… At best it might reduce crime.
      -No, actually there will still be crime all over.
      -So what’s the upside?
      -It will limit freedom of expression and censor music!
      -Uh..?
      -And the best part is, it will automatically execute dangerous criminals!
      -I thought we were past the death penalty as a society…
      -It will also destroy people’s lives because their crime coefficient got over some arbitrary value!
      -Dude, get away from me!

      • HunterWulf says:

        A ton of fallacies.
        1-It doesn’t control every aspect of people’s lives like Big Brother, people can still do whatever they want in their own houses and outside as long as it doesn’t raise their own PP.

        2-Crime isn’t all over, pretty much the only one propagating and planning crimes around is Shogo, people’s reactions to the public beating shows they never saw someone being beaten, mugged or killed before, no one carries weapons around, there isn’t a single proof that crime is ALL OVER THE PLACE .. it’s just one guy behind the series of crimes from the start of the series.

        3-The didn’t censor music, non-approve music was being played in the same place as Sybil approved music .. where did they say they censored it !!!?

        4-And weeding out criminals have definitely led to a much more peaceful society, no thieves, burglars or organized crime whatsoever … so peaceful and stress free that people end up slowly turning into sort-of living vegetables … which means Sybil is doing it’s intended job just fine.

        And that you weren’t paying attention during the show XD

        • Da5id says:

          1-That would be easy to accept if they weren’t making it increasingly clear that questioning the system is what raises your Psycho Pass. A society that doesn’t allow questioning of government is pretty much the same as Big Brother.

          2-There also isn’t proof that there isn’t crime all over the city that’s just had to be more quiet. Makishima can’t possibly be the only person to find a way around this system, because otherwise the writers are just being lazy. Plus, giving the only authorized firearms to the cops (and very few at that) is fine for one city, but if there’s a foreign invasion from country that doesn’t implement this system, they are SCREWED. Especially if the guns will only fire on people who HAVE to be in the system AND have a specific level of psychosis.

          3-The fact that they have to approve music is censorship in itself.

          4-You’re saying people slowly going comatose is a GOOD thing?!

          • Highfinder Highfinder says:

            “4-You’re saying people slowly going comatose is a GOOD thing?!”

            He didn’t say that it was a good thing. He said that Sybel is doing it’s “intended” job fine. The problem is that it’s doing it too well. Just saying.

          • Da5id says:

            So, if that’s Sybil’s intended job, why are we siding with the people enforcing it?

          • Highfinder Highfinder says:

            Who said you had to side with the system? The characters are pointing out whats wrong with the system every episode. They clearly don’t like the system but most of them don’t have a choice in the matter.
            The only ones who have a choice is the officer who’s in love with it and miss Akane who clearly has doubts about it.

          • Da5id says:

            Yeah, that’s another thing. Isn’t being a “Latent Criminal” on the Enforcers sort of an Informed Flaw? So far none of the Enforcers besides Kogami have had any inconveniences or signs that they could do anything as bad as the people they fight, so building that up is kind of wasted, isn’t it?

          • Highfinder Highfinder says:

            Don’t change the subject just because you can’t argue back.

          • Da5id says:

            Okay, then. So we’re following people who don’t like the system but are enforcing it against a guy who also doesn’t like the system. So neither of them like the system. At least in other cop shows there’s more than one main character who actually likes and believes in the law they enforce. Why not here?

          • Highfinder Highfinder says:

            Because that’s the point.

          • Da5id says:

            So the point is that no one likes the system? Why should the audience like the system if all but none of the characters do?

          • Avalon says:

            When has this show ever tried to make the audience like the system? The main characters don’t like the system and they have more reasons after every episode.

            Just because they can all agree that the system is flawed doesn’t mean it suddenly becomes okay for people like Makishima to kill just to prove it to the world.

          • Da5id says:

            But the system allows him to kill (and lead others to kill, assuming they weren’t doing it already) because it focuses on stress levels, but Makishima’s stress REDUCES by killing people, as it does with all the people he’s worked with and even the ones that didn’t. So the system’s not just flawed, it’s fatally flawed. Especially if you’ve conditioned them against stress, because when they finally get stressed because of something in their lives, they won’t have any idea how to work with it or vent it all without harming someone. Plus, even the thought of harming someone would raise their pass, which alerts enforcers, and the instant they hear police sirens, they’ll know their life is over and flip out, like the guy in the first episode. People caught in the crossfire will be too relaxed to know they are about to be killed (as seen with the school kids in episodes 6-8), meaning that most citizens are pretty much ticking time bombs that will inevitably take people with them before they die.

            In fact, you could argue that Sibyl is actually making these murders MORE likely because of all the constraints and censorship and conditioning people to avoid stress instead overcoming it, so really they’re fueling the murders. The cons heavily outweigh the pros when you consider this.

  6. Will says:

    Yo Hunter, I’m sorry that I hurt your feels.

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For Right of Way, its basically Person A attacks, Person B parries, Person A hits, Person B hits, Person B gets the point because they took right of way with the parry. Saber and Foil both have that, but Epee does not. Epee is simply "Whoever hits the opponent first, doesnt matter where, whole body is target area"
Lenlo
Theres Saber, Foil and Epee. The main difference is this thing called right of way, but there are other smaller ones like how Saber can hit with the edge and Epee is allowed to hit the entire body, instead of just the chest like Foil
SuperMario
For news, Blood Blockade Battlefront getting second season next year. As it was one of my favorite last year I'm really lokking forward to this second season
SuperMario
@Lenlo: that sounds great. From what I know from fencing there are 3 different types of blade right? So what are the differences between them? (Fencing 101 here)
Kaiser Eoghan
Although a fantasy sports thing could also generate interest, such as combining sports together to create something totally new.
Lenlo
@SuperMario, Fencing was great. Favorite sport ever and it helped me stay in shape in College. I find Epee to be the best blade, mostly cause I fenced it, but its a very intense 3 minutes. Unlike sports like Soccer and such which is alot of sustained running, Fencing is 3 minutes of Dont-Stop-Moving then wait till next match. Gets really fun once you figure out your own style.
SuperMario
haha, I wouldn't mind either if each episode focus on a single sport/ character/ country. Or even the positive aspects like role models, sports inspirations and stuffs
Lenlo
That Olympic anime sounds great.
Kaiser Eoghan
And it would be a good excuse to have characters of multiple backgrounds included too.
Kaiser Eoghan
Could be an 13 episode ova series with 48 minute episodes, and if its to be an ensemble character drama you could have 10 minutes to a each character (the ones being focused on in that episode) in each episode.
Kaiser Eoghan
Ah yes, aswell as cheating it could also get into "stage parenting", "abuse", "Disabilities" and also the general politics of sports, the backroom stuff.
SuperMario
I'll be the first in line if that olympic anime ever come out. Could be interesting to see the interactions between athletes in different sports, and then fans/athletes/coaches relationship, then the gold rush, doping... So much to talk around to
Kaiser Eoghan
I don't think theres ever been a manga about hurling either. Hey heres an idea, someone do an ensemble drama anime that deals with the olympics, fit in multiple sports that way.
SuperMario
Personally I find Australian football much more exciting than rugby. Or crickets.
SuperMario
@Kaiser: ha! Interesting that you mentioned Gaelic football, because in Aus we have AFL (Australian Football League), that really similars to Gealic Football to the point sometimes we have the 2 national teams compete each other with modified rules
Kaiser Eoghan
Hmm, lets see, sport under-represented in anime? Fencing, golf , Gaelic football, bowling, boat racing.
SuperMario
Hey, fencing is actually really cool. How did you like it Lenlo?
SuperMario
You have your point there Topgavin, as I clearly remember many instances where players' legs, backs or even necks got snapped during rugby's tackles. But in regards to Rugby I never really care about it. That and car racing
Lenlo
Its mostly the type of injuries you get that differ I think. Football you get concussions and broken bones and such, while in Rugby you probably get alot of bruises and cuts. Granted I have played neither, I was a Soccer man in highschool and fencing in College
Lenlo
American football has alot of rules, and really is just a bunch of millionaires running around chasing a ball. Rugby however, as Topgavin said, has no pads so when you get hit you get hit HARD
AidanAK47
I never ceases to surprise me just how high and mighty visual novel fans can be over Mosaics present in localized games. I mean they are literally complaining about not seeing genitalia yet the way they phrase it, it's like they are fighting against great injustice. If these VNs were Nukige they might have a point but in most cases the sex scenes in question are pointless and shoehorned in.
Topgavin
@Mario Rugby is more extreme *because* it has no protective gear. No hiding behind helmets and cushioned shoulder pads when ya get bowled over.
SuperMario
@Lenlo: I'm no expert but isn't American football a variation of Rugby? And I believe american football is more extreme, considering they have to wear helmets, protection gears and all that
Lenlo
I dont think theres alot of manga about it because its simply not that popular outside the US. As far as it being a battlefield, eeeeh? Not really? You want a battlefield watch Rugby.
SuperMario
I can think of other cool sports that could be interesting to see in anime: Kick Volleyball (Sepak takraw), Bossaball (combined soccer, volleyball in a trampoline), or in the same vein of skate figures this season, why not pole dancing competition???
Anonymous504493
What other sport is cool and popular that remains original to write about by now? There isn't a lot of manga about it compared to anything else.
Anonymous504493
American football looks like a battlefield with a visible battleline and everything. Id like it if there wasnt so many darn commercials.
Lenlo
I mean, its a sport. Far cry from best, but its definitely a sport.
SuperMario
@Vonter: or maybe because american football IS the best sports ever?
Kaiser Eoghan
@Vonter: Most likely due to the middle section of the original anime being the most popular bit.
Vonter
Can someone explain me how Cobra, is apparently getting an anime around some sort of space american football? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=54kNWPr43zE
Kaiser Eoghan
@Mario: Its not safe enough a film for me to properly recommend. Even to exploitation fans, they might find it too slow others would be too sensitive to it. Really una vita violenca, mamma roma, accatone, hawks and sparrows are what Pasolini is really about.
SuperMario
Now that you watched Salo, would you recommend the film to other people? I personally think it's a masterpiece but it's one of the title that I think people would break up with me if I show them this movie
SuperMario
@Kaiser: even him as a director, both Braveheart and Apocalypto don't do much to me, will see if Hacksaw Ridge going to change my mind (but I'm not to fond with war movies in general). La Notte is in my sooon-to-watch list for years, haha
Kaiser Eoghan
@Mario: Mel Gibson as a director, not as an actor =)
Kaiser Eoghan
@Mario: Thats why I prefer the neo-realist/quasi-neo-realism stuff as it deals with the worse off in society. But Antonioni was the master of being able to do films about angsty well-off people, L'aventura, the passenger and La notte for example
Kaiser Eoghan
@Mario: Its not so much that I dislike post 50s fellini moreso I feel that his throw everything at the screen and hope what sticks method can be hit or miss.
SuperMario
While I don't really mind his later stuffs because he was masterclass, I have a pretty hard time for Paolo Sorrentino's later works. The thing is I don't care much about the high class society so everything is just ridiculously over the top and glamour and I'm tired of it.
SuperMario
I haven't watched nights of cabiria but I did watch La Strada and boy, I was sad for few days after watching it. Fellini mentioned that he was inspired to make this movie when seeing a woman pushing a cart from behind. The film really carry that sense throughout its running
SuperMario
Michael Haneke put Salo in his top 10 films. Quite understandable when you think about it. Still for me one of the movie that affected me deeply.
SuperMario
I really admire Elle for its ability to maintain its sharpness because under other inexperienced directors it could easily becomes a mess. Mel Gibson, really? He's one of the few actors that I absolutely dislike
SuperMario
@Kaiser: The Red Turtle remains one of the the most refreshing time I had this year in cinema, but then again I haven't watched much films lately. Agree with you on Sonia's performance, and I still think they could cut out the first 20' of the film because it feels out of place compare to the rest of the film
Kaiser Eoghan
Debating whether to bother catching up on I am a hero or watching the film adaptation. I haven't read it since they got rid of that one female character.
Kaiser Eoghan
@Mario: I've a feeling you'll like nights of cabiria, Fellini was cranking out some solidly effective social-realist dramas in the 50s before he fell into self-indulgence.
Kaiser Eoghan
Now I have that sound euphonium compilation film downloaded, I should get to that sometime.
Kaiser Eoghan
@Mario: I also finally watched Salo, I ended up meeting it pretty much halfway. Some parts still retain the ability to effect a modern viewer, having seen his other works though its crazy just how different Salo is to them.
Kaiser Eoghan
@Mario: Seeing I, daniel Blake tomorrow and rogue one in a few weeks.
Kaiser Eoghan
@Mario: I hope Mel Gibson and Isabelle huppert win at the next oscars.
Kaiser Eoghan
@Mario: I liked the red turtle for its visual style of storytelling and animation even if I didn't get as emotionally attached to it as others did. I also watched Aquarius nd was pretty much blown away by Sonia Braga's performance. Elle is now one of my favourite Verhoeven films and its a miracle he managed to maintain such a great balance successfully throughout the film.
SuperMario
I don't care for the sequel of Code Geass at all. Why Spice & Wolf still hasn't got season 3 though is what really bugged me. From what I know their manga and LNs are selling very well
Anonymous494677
I wonder why that is...
Kaiser Eoghan
Ah, they were always milking code geass though what with those bajillion-million-billion manga spinoffs.
Kaiser Eoghan
Still say I was more fond of the character chemistry in spice and wolf as opposed to everything else.
Kaiser Eoghan
I'll likely pass on the code geass sequel, the memory I have of it has already led to its appeal dimishing for me, I don't want to ruin things further watching an un-neccesary followup. Still avoiding utawerumono's second season for same reasons.
AidanAK47
After all there are things which need sequels and things which don't. And Code Geass never needed a sequel after R2's ending. Giving something a sequel can just ruin the conculsion of the orignal series. Case in point. Eureka Seven Ao. Remember that? Cause you shouldn't. Because it was terrible.
AidanAK47
Honestly I would have preferred Spice and Wolf Season 3.
AidanAK47
So...is anyone gonna mention that Code Geass is getting a sequel?
....Because Code Geass is getting a sequel.
AidanAK47
@Anon, I am watching it as well. But I am a bit behind because I am watching the funimation broadcast dub. It's a very good guilty pleasure. I don't find it quite as funny anymore but it's still pure dumb fun.
SuperMario
@Anon487524: I'm still following it and it still remains a fun show to watch. I love the way they do the fan-servicey completely straight.
Topgavin
@anon I'll admit to watching it. While it is very simple and follows the sport anime formula religiously, it's still a blast to watch every week. This is also helped because you have no expectations for it before watching other than "oh god what's gonna happen this week".
Anonymous487524
Granted, nothing special, just one of those anime whose only worth is being fun to watch without being deep, but Keijo really is fun to watch, easily the best guilty pleasure anime in a long while to me.
Anonymous487524
I started watching it expecting an crappy fanservice anime with nothing of worth, but it ended up being actually pretty fun and awesome to watch.
Anonymous487524
Anyone here seeing Keijo?
SuperMario
What's up with 3-gatsu no Lion? Delayed for a week huh?
Kaiser Eoghan
Checked out Hedeki anno's godzilla re-boot earlier out of curiousity, its a bit plodding/dull at times but sometimes its high camp value played straight is kind of funny, having godzilla evolve during the film was a cool touch and I enjoyed every scene with him and making a Godzilla film today is still very relevant. Not a patch on the old ones though.
Anonymous482380
I think that movie was just so terrible that people made it into a meme. Stuff like "The Entire Bee Movie Except Evey Time They Say 'Bee' The Movie Speeds Up"
Kaiser Eoghan
I'm sorry lmao I had to, it seemed so appropriate a moment: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-1GadTfGFvU
AidanAK47
Fun Fact: The whole Bees shouldn't be able to fly thing is a myth.
Badesh
I think that was just a dry realization...
AidanAK47
@Topgavin, It's a meme to post the entire script of the bee movie in random places?
....I don't get the joke.
Topgavin
For anyone wondering, I think anon just copy/pasted the entire script for the Bee movie. Memes are goin strong
Anonymous479946
According to all known laws
of aviation,


there is no way a bee
should be able to fly.


Its wings are too small to get
its fat little body off the ground.


The bee, of course, flies anyway


because bees don't care
what humans think is impossible.


Yellow, black. Yellow, black.
Yellow, black. Yellow, black.


Ooh, black and yellow!
Let's shake it up a little.


Barry! Breakfast i
Kaiser Eoghan
Actually I think it was up to about episode ten or so I saw.
Kaiser Eoghan
From what I can recall I watched legend of the galactic heroes somewhere past the part with the Caligula guy.
AidanAK47
That is one thing I wonder about the remake. How are they going to make the space battles interesting? Cause for me theres only so many times you can watch tin boxes shoot lasers and explode.
AidanAK47
I didn't like LOGH until the third episode. That's when it started to catch my attention. It also helps that I have a interest in history as the plot of LOGH practically reads like genuine history.
AidanAK47
In my case the overhype didn't kill it for me as I generally try to avoid that. When I walked into LOGH I was under the impression that it would ahve merit but not be for me. After all I heard it was mostly politics and the politics of Gundam bore me to tears. Funny enough the opposite happened. The space battles bored me but the politics got me really interested.
AidanAK47
@Leahcimali, The problem is that the people who say that something is the best thing they ever seen don't actually mean it. Often it's just hyperbole. When talking we other people fans tend to blow certain things out of proportion unintentionally. Overrated is likely the wrong word but you get what I mean.
leahcimali
@AidankAK47 oh and are you going to write a review about it or because psngel already wrote a review of it you are not gonna write it ?
leahcimali
the problem is trying to rank art . Even comparing a comedy show and a story focus show is clearly impossible. @AidanAK47 do you think the overhype of some hardcore logh fan killed you enjoyment of the show ? Because sometimes when you expect nothing of something you can enjoy it more than when waiting for something incredible.
leahcimali
i hear the same thing from fan of lord of the ring, star wars and game of thrones, star trek ... etc. The hardcore fan of those says that they are the greatest things in history ... but saying there are overated is discrediting the quality of those. Nothing is perfect and again maintening equal quality in a longuer running show is impossible. But having a longer story create a more rich background
LookingForKeys
@Mario Kimi no Na ha is pretty damn good. Watched it while in Japan a couple weeks back. The story has well done surprises, and on the graphics side you can *really* see Production IG worked on it.
leahcimali
I don't think saying logh is overated is a good way to say it. All media with great aclaimed critics or even highly popular show suffer from the fan reaction. If fan claim that it is the best things that they have ever saw and you don't agree, it feels overated. But this is only pure subjectivity. Saying he is greastest thing in history is a way for fan to exprim there love
AidanAK47
However it has been placed on a unreasonable pedestal that nothing could live up to. Eva is sort of in the same boat. So yes it is overrated but that does not mean it isn't great.
AidanAK47
@Leahcimali, if anything is claimed to be the greatest thing in the history of mankind it is overrated. The basic idea that there is a single anime out there which is fundamental and universally better than all other anime regardless of genre or intent is inherently a flawed concept. I do certainly see why LOGH is so highly acclaimed and I believe it is well worth watching.
AidanAK47
@Anon, I didn't look into the details of the new LOGH remake. I was planning on doing that when I am doing an anime season preview for it whenever it's going to air next year. For a long anime it does rate highly but even then I am not certain it really needed all 110 of those episodes.
leahcimali
about your comment are you thinking the LOGH anime is overated ? i ask Because you said that there is plenty of anime you consided better .
Anonymous476875
about the remake won't it be a straight adaptation from the manga remake by the artist that made shiki ?
Anonymous476875
AidanAK47 personally i really loved legend of the galactic heroes and it is one of the anime that make one of the biggest impact on me. I found it the best "long" anime that i ever seen (more than 24 ep). But comparing it to anime with shorter format is a bit hard. you can make something that have perfect pacing in 1h30 but it is impossible with a 110 ep anime.
AidanAK47
Either way I am pretty certain that all other isn't crap to me now seeing as I have seen the so called pinnacle. In fact There are plenty of anime I consider better that LOGH.
AidanAK47
There are aspects of its story which wouldn't really work by today's standards.
AidanAK47
And I did it. I watched legend of the galactic heroes. I have slain the white whale of anime. It certainly was interesting to say the least but I think the remake coming is going to have trouble. I am in between giving it a 8 or a 9 but it's clear that LOGH is very much a product of its time.
Kaiser Eoghan
I didn't really care for this weeks flipflappers, the fanservice and also it was even more trigger than I could take.
Kaiser Eoghan
@Gavin@Mario: I'll get round to your name someday but I think this might be my last chance with shinkai.
Kaiser Eoghan
@Aidan: That disgaea review made me nostalgic because I remember my friends and I playing it back when it first came out. We found it difficult but were amused by it/liked the characters.
Kaiser Eoghan
@Aidan: Are the manga posts exclusively for series with only a few chapters translated or series that came out in the past year or so? I've been reading gunka no balthazar and enjoying it enough and think it should get recommendation out there.
Topgavin
Just booked tickets to go see it on Sunday with my little sister. Was surprisingly reluctant but I know she'll like it, I've already seen it but pumped either way.
SuperMario
Your name movie has been showed theatrically here in Aus, I'm planning to rewatch it soon in theatre and then do a review on it. Is that alright with other admins?
SuperMario
so I guess the top 6 will advance to the final are: Otabek Altin (Kazakhstan), Giacometti (Switzerland), Yuri, Yurio, JJ and Phichit? Will be very cool final event haha
SuperMario
At the very least Yuri on Ice shows me how entertaining ice skating can be
SuperMario
@K-Off: have a good trip ahead K-Off. Well, it's still better than Japan (earthquake) I guess
K-Off
Well, heading to Korea tomorrow. What a time to go. In the middle of Korea's biggest financial scandal since the 80s.
Lenlo
Is it just me, or does the Yuri on Ice opening get more colorful and detailed every week?
SuperMario
Badesh, if you like to check out their other songs, give "Tunnels of Love" and "Romeo & Juliet" a listen. Though I just discovered Telegraph Road quite recently, those 2 songs are qmong my all time favorite
SuperMario
I prefer their ealier version when the band was still together (aLCHEMY 1983), but that Rome 2005 was magnificent too. Seriously with this band diifferent live versions feel like another experience... And that song is criminally under-heard in radio too, because of its running time. A crying shame
Badesh
uhh, found it in better quality. now, THAT is a fitting present for my dad :)
Badesh
well that commentator, that sounds like he's in a soccer match, will get on my nerves though...
Badesh
if you're talking about the rome 2005 version... hell, that's some sweet music. i'll inhale that for the rest of the evening, thanks for that
SuperMario
Anyone here listen to Dire Straits? I just in the mood for their music lately. Checked out the band playing Telegraph Road live the other day on youtube and I was completely stunned.
SuperMario
@Lenlo: I considered Flip Flappers 3,5,6 to be its best so far so continue on to see if Flip Flappers is your cup of tea or not
SuperMario
For me I have a lot of stuffs to catch up on this time a year, both in terms of anime and in my RL. Time goes fast as hell
Lenlo
Started watching Flip Flappers. Thought I had it figured out, then we got Mad Max going on. I may start liking it more, cause the first 2 eps didnt do much
Lenlo
Its also nearing Thanksgiving in the states and end of semester for University, so those sorts will be busier than usual.
AidanAK47
You are far too young to be reminiscing. You can build a place for a community but you can't force one to come. I for one would think it would be easier to form one if people stopped using the Anon tag. You can change your name with the customize button you know.
Anonymous469664
I remember a time when people other than site admins were regular posters. Those were the days...
AidanAK47
But I suppose watching Westworld isn't exactly a waste of time.
AidanAK47
Downside is that I really don't have a lot of time these days. It's rather annoying. The day goes by and it doesn't really feel like you did anything.
AidanAK47
On the upside, I am nearly finished Legend of the galactic heroes. So when the Remake airs next year I will have a lot to say about it.
AidanAK47
Personally I have been rather busy lately and wanted to finish off a few things. Hence why my posts have been getting later.
AidanAK47
Anyway when there's nothing on the chat box to talk about then of course it dries up.
AidanAK47
You have unfortunate timing.
Anonymous469664
All the chat regulars have left house as well.
Anonymous469664
Four days since a single post.
K-Off
Damn, I don't know if it's the layout/algorithm/mods, but so many subreddits that I used to frequent have gotten watered down as hell. Between the influx of shills and changes to the upvote/downvote system (which doesn't properly convey controversial comments anymore, like 45 upvotes to 47 downvotes. Now it shows only a -2) it's hard to find reasonable debates or find important info
SuperMario
@K-off: and for that book the last time I checked it was $110 for you guys who live US plus free shipping. For us it's $150 not incluing the postage and few weeks delivery.
K-Off
Damn, I didn't realize that it could be that bad elsewhere. The worst experience I had was when I ordered a laser pointer from Switzerland over a forum, and the cunt didn't respond for nearly 4 weeks until I threatened to refund my $250 on PayPal.
AidanAK47
@Mario, Europe. That's the difference.
SuperMario
@Aidan: yeah I got a dispatch notice saying it's shipping now. I ordered it back in September as well so I don't know why the difference between us.
Kaiser Eoghan
I remember the days where I used to be relying on waiting for anime dvds to come out locally , looking back they were really overpriced, 35 euro for 4 or 5 episodes.
Kaiser Eoghan
My opinion on FMA alchemist ended up being all over the place because I must have watched 3 episodes every few months of it, then I stopped watching it for a year, got back into it for a few months, abandoned it for months then marathoned 20 episodes in one night to get it finished.
Kaiser Eoghan
See I've been thinking over FMA lately, if you join up the best episodes of brotherhood and the first adaptation you get the perfect show.
Kaiser Eoghan
And yet it would make sense to rewatch it. 2005/2006 were the days where I'd never marathon anything. I've seen the whole show obviously but with massive gaps in between.
AidanAK47
@Kaiser, HEATHEN. Though I haven't seen the original fullmetal Alchemist in years. Watched it way back when I started anime. Would be good to pay it a revisit with this.
AidanAK47
@Mario, you actually got a dispatch notice? Cause mine is still waiting and I ordered back in September. Says it's going to dispatch next week but I have heard horror stories about peoples orders getting canceled due to lack of stock.
Kaiser Eoghan
And there I am, reminded that I haven't seen the first full metal alchemist since back in 2006.
SuperMario
Mine is shipping already, take about 2 weeks to get here. Can't wait haha
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Tokyo Mirage Sessions ♯FE Review – 65/100

The title of this game rather says everything you need to know about my initial reaction, and I’m still all around puzzled at the mixed bag that this turned out to be – it IS just a standard mashup while having a bit of fun with some experimentation, but the game itself is actually a […]

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Kizumonogatari Part 1: Tekketsu-hen (2016) Movie Review – 85/100

Just a quick note that I originally intended this week’s review to be about Miss Hokusai. But because of the DVD release of this Kizumonogatari (with good subtitle to boost), I decided to bump this up and review it instead. Monogatari series has been among one of my favorite series, and certainly the one that […]