Posted by psgels on 24 March 2013 with categories: Anime Reviews, Psycho Pass



Psycho Pass belongs in the category of series that base themselves on a futuristic world that center around a basic premise. Take for example Kaiba, in which people’s minds can be extracted from their bodies, Real Drive, with its evolution of the Internet or Himitsu, where people can download the memories of dead people. In Psycho Pass, it’s all about creating the perfect society without crime. Everyone is monitored and has their own “Psycho Pass”, and as soon as your mind starts to think criminal thoughts, you’re arrested. With that as a building block, it makes its story.

The story is set to explore this setting. I won’t spoil exactly how, but I will say that over its course, it shows many different opinions about this setting. And it doesn’t just try to answer whether the setting is wrong or right, but it goes more in-depth. Every character has some good or bad points to make, and every one of those points is open to interpretations. It’s a show that aims to make you think, and even the things it just spells out for you have a lot of depth behind them. This goes on for 22 episodes and I have to say that after Guilty Crown, this has really shown how a 2-cours Noitamina series should be done.

Especially at the end of the series everything comes together, and the build-up for the story really pays off. At the beginning of the series though, this series loses some points for focusing on the same things for a bit too long. The big problem is that it focuses too much on one particular aspect of the setting, so that it has to rush to get everything else in in its second half. It manages to do this somehow, but the transition could have gone smoother.

On the technical terms, Production IG delivered some really good choreography and camera angles that really make their impact when they need to. The soundtrack for this series also is really good, and it doesn’t just have one style. It just makes use of whatever track it thinks fits the best to the scene, whether this is classical music or techno. Oh, and that’s another thing that this series loves to do: quote some famous literary works. Call it pretentious. I call it interesting if it contributes to the story. Which to me, it did.

The characters in this series are perhaps not its most memorable parts, but even they have something to write home about. It’s got an excellent villain in the form of Makishima Shougo, who for once actually has some good and interesting motivation to back himself up. Akane also might seem out of place when you first see her, but she really shines in her character-development. The rest of the side-characters also manage to have their impact, even though this series does not have the “Let’s devote all our time to the backstory of this side-character”-episodes. Instead their depth is subtly woven into the story. If you like serious series and believe that anime is too cute nowadays, then this is one series that you shouldn’t pass up.

Note: I’m going to experiment a bit more with this review format, simply because of making the Storytelling, characters, production-values, setting”-list got a bit too annoying to write down every time.
One-sentence Review: Psycho Pass explores its unique sci-fi setting really well with thought-provoking dialogue, characters and a great plot, and mostly keeps true to its promise that there would be no moe included.
Suggestions:
Kaiba
Himitsu The Revelation
RD Sennou Chousashitsu

43 Responses

  1. gurdlo says:

    I’m glad you’re changing the review format since I think it’s not all that far to but setting, characters, story and production value all on the same level. Some have higher priority than others

  2. Tulip says:

    How do you come up with the numbers then? lol

  3. geagea says:

    phantom > blassreiter > f/z > madoka (fuck you Shinbo!) >>>>>> Naruto >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> PP

  4. Cytl says:

    I wasn’t too sure I was going to like the ending but at the end I think it was great. Akane ended up as the more complete character of all the series (miles ahead of Kogami and Shogo). The conclusion of Gino’s parental issues was also very good. At the end not everything is solved; Akane is the only one who knows about Sybil’s truth (just imagine that kind of weight in her shoulders), Gino embraced his kinda tragic destiny, the world is not saved, the real antagonist is still functioning.
    Even if it would be a major risk for the integrity of the series, I honestly would like a second season; of course this is not gonna happen, though.

    • Halfman says:

      Interesting, I found Akane to be one of the least developed characters. From the first episode (when she stuns Kogami) it’s established she has her own view of justice – a combination of the new (Sibyl) way and the old (atone for your crime) way. Sure, she wrestles with this view various times throughout the series (death of her friend, truth about Sibyl) but her view doesn’t actually change… I just found her to be hypocritical and annoying…

      • Cytl says:

        At first she wasn’t even able to define her role in society as she did at the end of the series (Kogami and Shogo on the other hand are pretty much one track minded during the whole series). She went from simply accepting things to question them. Also, I don’t see how she is hypocrite, she ends up as the only inside-opposition against the Sybil system: she doesn’t vehemently goes against it but still she shows that she cares the most about people.

        • Halfman says:

          Perhaps I’m a little bit biased because I really do dislike people like Akane in real life and even more so in fiction.

          I just can’t respect her as a character… I hate characters that are on the fence about everything… they’re annoying brats that want everything their own way.

          • Cytl says:

            All major characters in this series do things their own way. Only Gino and Akane compromise at the very end. In her case, she doesn’t throw a tantrum and instead she openly decides to destroy the system from inside, even if it means suppressing her desires for the moment.
            Even so, I understand there are times a character just doesn’t sit well with our personalities.

  5. Rena says:

    Even though a part of me wished for lots of explosions and plot twists. I think Gen did a good job. It’s like Real Drive so I think in that, the ending was good. It wasn’t too dramatic and went for a sensible ending.

  6. TheUltimateReaper@yahoo.com says:

    The show as good but the ending was fucking boring. I mean like–just plain old boring. Nothing I haven’t seen before. This show was typical from the start, but oh well. A waste of time for the most part. I expected more.

    • jonas says:

      Psycho Pass is ultimately a cop show, and in cop shows victories are always small.

      • TheUltimateReaper says:

        Yeah I guess. This is one case I really wish the story could have taken up a little more originality. We could have had a brilliant ending. Why go softcore? I mean… even if there was an S2 this is just weak… and the exposition was really… lame.

  7. someloser says:

    and it ends, what a twist, gino never needed glasses in the first place.

    also kasai taking to saiga

    also new inspector being the chick from the all girls school

    s2 when?

    • boa_sting says:

      wut I thought I was paying attention. I totally missed that the new Inspector at the end was a character from way back earlier in the series.

  8. Smurfy says:

    I agree with TheUltimateRea…
    “The show as good but the ending was fucking boring…”

    I would have posted in the last episode thread, but this one seems fresher.

    Well as the series as now ended, the best part was the beginning, then all of a sudden it takes a tangent downwards.

    Psycho pass had solid characters all the way through. I will just pick Makishima for the sake of argument, as the series was almost reaching its conclusion, I actually wanted him to succeed ( I don’t know what that says about me) I saw him as a necessary evil, in the so called perfect society.

    Maybe its just me, I don’t get it why stories usually build up such characters like Makishimas who are to an extent formidable/god like all of a sudden, their downfall is hubris. Seriously!!! Haven’t we seen this too many times – the pride before the fall.

    Makima was always one step ahead of every one, even when he put himself in compromising positions he still came out tops. I didn’t like the way the focus on him was suddenly changed. Let me explain I have always liked Villains that take the back role and do their bidding through indirect connections, which was how the series started then suddenly Makishima started to become personally involved.
    The writings were all up on the wall from the endings of previous episodes.. Calling – Kougami after his breakout escape.

    What I didn’t like the most was the penultimate episode ending were he was laughing to himself while walking across the grain fields to the facility. To me, that scene just seemed out of character. Even carrying out the plan HIMSELF.

    Sure Choe Gu-Sung was dead, it is not hard to assume given from the way Maxima had been portrayed he was now unable to round up a replacement or even goons to do his bidding. This was someone who was robbing shoulders with Senguji Toyohisa in the earlier episodes… So What the hell happened ?

    • AidanAK47 AidanAK47 says:

      On the contrary I found Makishima far more interesting once the focus changed.
      “I have always liked Villains that take the back role and do their bidding through indirect connections, which was how the series started then suddenly Makishima started to become personally involved.”
      See that’s the problem. The villain working through indirect connections is the standard. Off the top of my head I could name numerous criminal masterminds who did so. That’s what made Makishima boring. He became more interesting when he started being human. Making mistakes and getting personal.
      Really take a look at what you said. When you look at it I don’t think Makishima even intended to succeed. He almost deliberately sabotaged himself. In the end his goal was achieved. He became someone who can’t be replaced.

      • FreshSushi says:

        I’m surprised everyone found Makishima to be so interesting. I found that his character developement was rather lacking and he was pretty one-dimensional to begin with. He wasn’t as much as a character as a force of nature that forced the rest of the cast to adapt.

        The most interesting developements by far was Akane and Gino. I suspected from the start that Gino was just going to be a grump old boss that yelled at everyone but he turned out to be much more complicated as he began to question the system that he trusted for so long. However he was still unable to make a decision unlike Akane therefore had to put up with the system despite having his doubts (a nice foil to Akane’s developement imo). In the end he fell into the pitfall he had desperately tried to avoid but accepted his destiny and dealt with his parent issue that plagued him the entire series, a rather nice way to end things.

        • jonas says:

          I agree, Shogo defeating the only real police officer in the unit (Masaoka), was a really cheap way to keep the story going.

      • Halfman says:

        It’s weird… I wanted Makishima to “win” and bring destruction to the Sybil System — but at the same time he really did deserve to die.

        Despite the shows best effort to ruin his character (the 2nd half/end), I really liked Makishima. It was easy to picture him as the hero of his own story, like if the story was told from his POV he would be a similar antihero/antivillain to characters like Light, Lelouch or V (from V for Vendetta).

    • TheUltimateReaper says:

      I really expected the Villain to actually succeed and bring down Sybil. Sure he coulda died, but had he gone out with a bang… My goodness! Why did I ever have my hopes up!? ake;jteu3u

      • Puran says:

        Yeah… I have to agree. I don’t want to start another real debate on Psycho-Pass, but I found it had a ton of problems:

        It failed to convey the essence of its setting. It “SAID” that people were living in a society where there is peace and everything is decided for them, but it never showed us that. Show, don’t tell.

        The plot was very straightforward and that’s… fine. But everything was so much by the book that it kind of started giving me the feeling of been-there-done-that very soon. The ending was the biggest offender of this. Sure, it did conclude the main plot, in that sense it’s a succesful ending. But I hate Life Goes On endings in plot-driven series. After all that stuff, nothing really changed, nothing really happened. Nothing was accomplished. I guess it was deliberate, but I didn’t like it.

        The characters… Akane just changed at a point. I don’t count that as development. Makishima had only one side to him. Shogo was a tad developed. And the supporting chars were all one-sided and… unnesecary? I was expecting that lesbian musician girl to have some impact on the plot, but she didn’t. Was she even needed to be there?

        In conclusion, Psycho-Pass is… fine. It’s never terrible, but I also don’t think it ever hit any big highs. It’s fine, but I didn’t like it.

  9. Halfman says:

    My biggest gripe with Psycho-Pass was it failed to create a conceivable dystopia. The whole Judge Dredd meets Minority Report meets Ghost in the Shell thing was incredibly undeveloped… what should have been its greatest strength, was its greatest weakness… okay, maybe second greatest weakness after character development :)

    • boa_sting says:

      I kind of liked how it wasn’t even really much of a dystopia and then furthermore how it wasn’t wiped out or even really changed in the end. I have more respect for the show because of the ending that didn’t really end things.

      Sure, the premise wasn’t too original, and there were plenty of other weaknesses in the setting and how the system was explained. And I’m still not sure how Akane suddenly flipped the switch between clueless and super-detective mode.

      Seeing as some of the arcs in the beginning took a bit of time, there were a couple episodes in the middle where not too much happened with the main narrative (also that one for Yayoi), and how the character development for some of the characters wasn’t that hot anyway, I’m kind of wondering if this could have been better if condensed into a single cour, 11-13 episodes. I don’t mean to just hack stuff out and rush other things, but to just focus on the important idea and themes, redo the scenario and structure.

      • Halfman says:

        Perhaps you’re not too familiar with the dystopian genre, because Psycho-Pass is textbook dystopia — and a rather interesting one at that. It just fails to make proper use of its setting…

        • AidanAK47 AidanAK47 says:

          I don’t know about that. Most dystopian I have seen is completely totalitarian. Psycho Pass on the other offers degrees of freedom and expression. Unlike 1984 which took every freedom a person had.
          I also didn’t really have trouble imagining how a system like psycho passes works. So I found the dystopian at least feasible.

          • Halfman says:

            Well, totalitarianism is just one characteristic of a dystopian society, and while 1984 does indeed take things to the extreme, Psycho-Pass is clearly totalitarian in nature as well.

            1984 had Big Brother, Psycho-Pass has the Sibyl System. Both worlds rely extensively on surveillance to control its citizens even to the point where even certain thoughts can carry a death sentence (thoughtcrimes). Do I really need to go on?

            If you can’t clearly see that Psycho-Pass is a totalitarian dystopia, then you must be a North Korean who has been indoctrinated since birth to think 2+2=5

            :)

          • AidanAK47 AidanAK47 says:

            However there is still freedom of expression on the internet as people can even express controversial idea’s without consequence. Also hideouts for people to play whatever music they want instead of Sibil approved music. People are recommended jobs but have the freedom to choose should they have high enough marks. (As Akane did. She wasn’t forced to become an enforcer, she chose to be one.) I don’t think there was examples of thought-crime here. Sure there were points were a dangerous crime coefficient can get you apprehended but that was related to crime, not rebelling or speaking out against the system. And while when you enter that prison the chances of you getting out are slim to none, there seem to be examples of people who can recover their psycho pass. As the woman in the first episode did. The surveillance looks to be not prefect either as many got away with making psycho shrines in there rooms without the system noticing. Meaning they are not watched all the time. It has blind spots too.

          • boa_sting says:

            Hm, dystopia is probably the right word I guess. Maybe I was really talking about the slider on the totaliarian scale.

            As kind of pointed out above, it’s no 1984, Brave New World, Animal Farm, Fahrenheit 451, etc.

            They limit certain forms of expression and lock up latent criminals. Maybe most importantly, this isolates people from each other, especially those that Sibyl can’t judge and those whose Psycho Pass are too, but the majority of the general populace?

            The depiction of CID and the students at the school (and some of the others too) were dark at times but not bleak.

          • Halfman says:

            AidanAK47, the world of Pyscho-Pass has the ILLUSION of freedom. IIRC the internet is cut off from the rest of the world along with the country itself, the arts are considered “dangerous” and require Sibyl’s blessing… how isn’t that oppressive?

            You also seem to think that a dystopia needs to be perfect, you are mistaken. Dystopias are ALWAYS flawed, because if they weren’t they would be utopias.

            Makishima exposes many of these flaws throughout the series, and many more are exposed as the audience learns more about the world of Psycho-Pass.

          • AidanAK47 AidanAK47 says:

            Halfman, silly fool. Current society also has that same illusion of freedom.

    • SpicedMagnolia says:

      This is an instance where the line between utopia and dystopia becomes fuzzy.

      Sybil allowed a society of carefree, stress-free life, but at the same time robbed the populace of the little conflicts that typically encompass a “real” life.

      It wasn’t supposed to be perceived as a dystopia; furthermore, I think it was actually supposed to be perceived as a utopia. Only after seeing through Makishima’s eyes do we finally realize how dystopian a life it really is.

      • Chase says:

        This is the difference between 1984-like dystopias and psycho pass. The society in psycho pass isn’t intended to be a dystopia, and the majority of the residents of the society might not think it is a dystopia, but by design it limits freedoms, locks up latent criminals for the “greater good” and is controlled by Sybil with the illusion of democracy.

  10. StaleBread says:

    All in all a nice tied up end.
    Akane, Kogami, and Makishima all got a warped version of what they wanted, and partially what they deserved.

    Stability, Justice, Freedom
    Slavery, Exile, Death

    Also seeing Sibyl using Akane as template to create its own perfect Brave New World. Hence the brains keeping her around. Everyone will be stable, productive, and obedient all the time, despite sadness, pain, and moral misgivings.

    Funny how out of the whole show, the two characters who invoked the most feelings out of me are Masaoka and Choe. Maybe because they didn’t grow up in the Sibyl system, which made all the younger characters, to me, more remote.

  11. Aniuxa says:

    Well, I think since ep 17 nothing good comes. It was like an amazing series with a bad 5 eps ending. Even the graphs felt kind of bad. Or was it only me who felt it?. Makishima was a incredible character that ended bad. I remind me to what happen with death not L. Do you think is going to be a second season?

  12. Aniuxa says:

    *Death Note. Sorry my english is not my native language

  13. RR says:

    The anime is hardly original. It has its strong points but sadly it is just a rehash of the excellent short story “The Minority Report” by Philip K. Dick. Honestly, very few anime are good these days. This one is OK, not bad but nothing fantastic either.

    • Halfman says:

      I agree with you, for the most part, but you seem to think originality actually exists… when it doesn’t.

      “There is nothing new under the sun” – one of the very few things the Bible says that I agree with. Perhaps ironic considering the Bible is arguably the greatest example of stealing from others…

  14. RR says:

    May I also add that it borrows plot points from the movie “Equilibrium” specially the banning of the arts part. Now I think its a collage of borrowed ideas from different futuristic sci-fi movies, noels and short stories including other manga and anime

    • Halfman says:

      While what you say is indeed true, please don’t use a derivative work such as Equilibrium to make your point. That’s like saying Apple invented the tablet computer (iPad)…

  15. well says:

    the show had potential. it just went down south in my opinion. it could have been so much better. things were not described in a clear fashion. i got what they were trying to do but i dont feel like they succeeded.

  16. Cam says:

    I’ve just pre-ordered the complete first season premuim box set with a discount. http://amzn.to/LrDE81 I can’t wait for it to arrive. Amazon needs to ship this out fast :P

  17. Jedman says:

    Yeah I think this show peaked around half way to two thirds of the way through, when I was thinking to myself, this could turn out to be one of the best Anime’s iv’e ever seen. but then it kind of tailed off toward the end. Still rate it very highly though. Would give it a 9 out of 10.

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Lenlo
I cant help but feel theres some cultural aspect I am missing to the Rakugo rant scene. Makes me sad.
Lenlo
Rakugo, continues to be great and gets another time skip. Im always surprised by how engrossing it is just listening to these people talk.
Lenlo
Makes me sad, just like Berserk. Got an entire shelf dedicated to it but its just so slow. stupid boat.
Lenlo
Vagabond was phenomenal, but its been on hiatus for years now hasnt it
Kaiser Eoghan
....well without spoiling towards the middle of that rakugo episode and all throughout during that middle part, my opinion on Yotaro's character went far up.
Kaiser Eoghan
Struggling to remember the name of that josei samurai manga from the 90s (or earlier 2000s), had a gender bending theme.
Kaiser Eoghan
I've already read kenshin and vagabond, I loved shigurui death frenzy and sword of the stranger but found samurai champloo uneven. Theres a kagemusha manga but I haven't read it and I've yet to see/read blade of the immortal.
Kaiser Eoghan
At a glance I'll go against the grain and say I think demi-chan is funnier than konosuba, going on one episode of each.
I've been watching a fare share of samurai films in the last two years and lately so I'm open to wathing more anime/reading manga dealing with samurai.
SuperMario
Hand Shakers, how I love to watch it jumping off the cliff. This show contains lines like "I don't understand... even if I did understand... but I don't understand." It isn't a dialogue that we encounter too often I'm sure.
AidanAK47
@Mario, Sounds good to me. With me covering Little Witch Academia, Saga of Tanya the evil and Rakugo this season is well covered.
SuperMario
so I've decided to blog 3-gatsu, Scum's Wish and ACCA this season. A bit worry about the latter as I still don't have much to talk about that. Let's try it and see what happens; I say
SuperMario
Okay, I'm not hot on Onihei this week, as if the main theme about these two episodes were "people can be corrupted" then I'm not buying it. ACCA, on the other hand, was still very solid of building up the world and its big events to come.
AidanAK47
I have played all the big roguelikes and found they have the same problem. I argee on procedural generation. Even if the map is different every time you are essentailly going through the same rooms and doing the same things.
Masky
Though to be honest, I don't like procedural(or designed room and then game connects them randomly) games much. I much enjoy hand designed dungeons since I rarely play games through more than once anyway so roguelike's appeal of "Every time you play it through its different!" doesn't appeal to me much and hand designed dungeons are much more memorable
Masky
Can't really comment further on that since I don't know which roguelikes you have played, and neither I have played gungeon so I don't know if its badly designed to the point you can't do anything if rng says so. Though I guess there is nothing wrong about liking luck based games, if roguelike in question is truly unbeatable if rng says so, well, its really badly designed one if you ask me.
AidanAK47
Take my last run. Made it up to the fourth floor. Got plenty of guns but none were really useful. Even then ran out of ammo for all of them and the game was cheap about giving out ammo. Plenty of money but shops with nothing worth buying. Over 5 heart containers but no goddamn health. Died on the boss because I rolled out of a bullet into another bullet. Pretty much unavoidable.
AidanAK47
@Masky, that's the theory but in pretty much every roguelike I played its not the case. If the RNG decides you are going to have a bad time then you are going to have a bad time. Skill can only bring you so far. I have played this game for 7 hours and I know I could have finished it in 2. Only thing stopping me is a dice roll.
Masky
Like, the thing with roguelikes is that they can get easier/harder depending on luck, but well done one should be completable even without any upgrades at all if you are skilled enough.
Masky
Thats not the really case with roguelikes though, unless game design is bad and includes insta kill traps and such that are unavoidable if you are unlucky
AidanAK47
I hate roguelikes. Been playing enter the Gungeon and I just lost all patience with it. Getting real tired of my victory being decided by a RNG. It never feels satisfying to finish a roguelike because I know my victory was determined by pure luck.
AidanAK47
So we got to rely on fansubs for it when it's airing.
AidanAK47
@Mario, Nope. I think because netflix only puts up full seasons they are only planning to put it up when it's finished airing. Or when it's dubbed.
SuperMario
But how does the Netflix thing work? So of I have a Netflix account I can watch the show weekly?
SuperMario
@Aidan: that's a dumb way to do things really because unless you watch the show weekly, everyone gonna forget that it even exist. Just look at Re-Life last year
Lenlo
thought*. Words are hard.

Eventually found the actual first ep though and enjoyed it.
Lenlo
Was funny. I tried to find the first Ep for Little Witch, found original short made afew years ago, watched it and though "This is very similar to the original... Whats new".
AidanAK47
Little witch is one of the best shows this season and yet I can't get subtitles because Netflix doesn't release shows weekly. Motherf*cker.
Lenlo
Ore Monogatari I enjoyed. It was a nice romance that actually explored what happens after the confession. Also the 2 leads are just precious.
Lenlo
Alright but unmemorable seems like a good summation.
SuperMario
@Lenlo: one good thing about Seiren is if you don't like this romance, the whole thing gonna reset after episode 4 so there's a chance that you might end up like it. Agreed that the comedy wasn't very good. Alright but unmemorable
SuperMario
@Topgavin: I watched like first 3 episodes and stopped because I didn't have much time there, but I enjoyed what I saw. A well-written and endearing show in my book
Topgavin
Has anyone here watched Ore Monogatari before? Because in the 4 years I've watched anime, I've never heard of it (I guess it did come out 2 years ago) and yet it's turning out to be one of my favorite shows. Always great going into a show expecting nothing and getting pleasantly surprised.
AidanAK47
Only one more impression to go. Should have it up tomorrow.
Lenlo
Im really not feeling Seiren. Its "comedy" isnt for me and I just dont find it very enjoyable to watch so far. Im curious if it gets any better but 2 episodes in it just isnt that good.
HelghastKillzone
That ending scene is an entire side-story compressed into that. Don't expect anymore of it from here on out as the it sticks to ruthless military/fantasy pretty well.
LookingForKeys
@Topgavin I think it was good, making it the second episode. That way the first set up the world the story will be in, and showed how much of a monster the "little girl" really is right at the end, and then made ep.2 the explanation. Nothing against Tanya trying to rip "God" a new one.
That after-credits scene, though...
SuperMario
Hmm, as much as I like Seiren's omnibus format, it doesn't turn out really hot this second episode. Demi-chan, on the other hand, still maintains its endearing tone. Might blogging Demi-chan instead
Topgavin
Yeah, that second episode was much better than the first. Dunno why they didn't start with that to be honest, waste of an opportunity for a good hook episode. The voice for the main girl still sounds weird to me though; I get it's supposed to sound weird because it symbolizes 'her' being out of place and her personality and body being a mismatch, but it'll certainly take some getting used to.
AidanAK47
Youjo Senki, now we are talking. Like Helghast said, Did the god scene way better than the LN and manga. Made it less comedic and more intimidating.
Lenlo
Oh man that Rakugo intro. Not sure what to think, but first time seeing it I liked it
Kaiser Eoghan
I sort of like good will hunting because I kind of saw a bit of myself in Damon's character when I watched it ages ago.
Kaiser Eoghan
@Mario: Remaking psycho and ruining the shower scene, for shame van sant, for shame.
Kaiser Eoghan
Its easy to ripoff some obscure thing though and get away with it. The dogtooth director essentially stole an old Mexican film to make that.
SuperMario
@Kaiser: yeah, that following some guys from behind like they were on a RPG games, which I think actually fit with the tones of Elephant. I have such mixed feeling with Gus van Sant too. Don't really think he's a great director.
Kaiser Eoghan
@Mario: Although Istvan Szabo is probably a little more well known for that Mephisto film that updates the Faust story. Zoltan Fabri's the fifth seal is a very thought provoking war movie.
Kaiser Eoghan
@Mario: I remember seeing a film documentary that featured Gus van sant in one section, they showed clips of tarrs films, Sant ripped of the cinematography and stole the style from some British short film to make Elephant.
SuperMario
@Kaiser: agree on the other Hungarian filmmakers, I don't know much about them either.
Kaiser Eoghan
@Mario: Scorsese's Silence was a big comeback. I really really emotionally connect with spiritual crisis stories.
SuperMario
@kaiser: yep, definitely check wreckmeister down. Althought I admit that watching his 2-hour plus films will feel like 5-hour anyways
Kaiser Eoghan
@Mario: I'm more tolerant of darker teenage/coming of age films/stories. Les Demons was a big surprise.
Kaiser Eoghan
@Mario: Though its kind of frustrating, I do think Tarr probably takes attention away from other hungarian filmakers because no-body knows who the hell the others are.
Kaiser Eoghan
@Mario: Man, wreckmeister was so visually arresting I started getting dreams from it.
Kaiser Eoghan
@Mario: I would consider Tarr to be kind of a poor mans Janco, Angelopolus and Tarkvosky rolled into one. I don't entirely "get" wreckmeister and man from London but they are great atmospheric mood piece experiences.
SuperMario
@Kaiser: I had been wanting to watch Belar Tarr's Turin Horse and Werckmeister Harmonies for so long now. Well, Fat Girl is shocking haha, but I'm normally drawn into those kind of films anyway.
SuperMario
@Kaiser: Margaret took like 5,6 years to release because he couldn't cut it down in the way he wanted. The final cut if I remembered correctly was edited by Martin Scorsese
Kaiser Eoghan
@Mario: Only a HDcam for moonlight now.
Kaiser Eoghan
I looks like my lineup is witch academia, rakugo and youjo senki, well the most latter one until I get bored.
Kaiser Eoghan
@Mario: I sense a directors cut for manchester, it feels like it need another 30 minutes.
SuperMario
@Kaiser: right up my valley. Watch Kenneth Lonergan's previous works Magaret and You Can Count on Me. Magaret is very messy but have a raw dialogue and interactions as well
SuperMario
Now the first episodes are over, I will keep on covering 3-gatsu, as for the other twos atm I have 3 options: 1) full romance/anti-romance high school Seiren/Scum's Wish. 2) slice-of-life moe monster girls Demi-chan/Maid Dragon and 3) Mature,dark Onihen/Acca (which although I like them I don't have much to talk about).If you guys have any preference on which shows you like covered then let me know
Kaiser Eoghan
@Helghast: At this point I'm watching youjo senki as an entertaining guilty pleasure.
Kaiser Eoghan
@Mario: Too many reboots upcoming, will wait for the dvds instead. I want to explore more of manchester by the sea's director's work. I also want to finally get more into Bela Tarr's stuff.
Kaiser Eoghan
@Mario: I was rather shocked by A Ma souer/fat girls final act. Scenes with the Italian in the bedroom were initially creepy.
SuperMario
@Kaiser: it's a nice review Kaiser, a bit jealous with you that you've seen those 3 films which are touted as the best films of 2016. Also Fat Girl, haha, I love that movie.
Kaiser Eoghan
Poor yotaro =< you have so much stuff going down on you =<
HelghastKillzone
Youjo Senki episode was so good today. That revamped scene with God just fitted so right.
AidanAK47
A official release of that game in the west is apparently coming but it's been a few years and not much news about it.
Kaiser Eoghan
@Aidan: Ah yes that was the one.
AidanAK47
@Kaiser, Had to think for a moment on that one but I think I was talking about this. https://vndb.org/v3144
Kaiser Eoghan
Now I'd hardly consider myself a studio trigger fan, but I watched the first witch academia episode there, it was actually kind of fun, got the same reaction from me as flipflappers did, that magical, special feeling.
Kaiser Eoghan
@Mario: I also, of interest reviewed Kenneth Lonegrans new film: http://letterboxd.com/shao_liu_ringon/film/manchester-by-the-sea/
Kaiser Eoghan
@Mario: Moonlight got some feels out of me though it could of been more, it ends abruptly and with 20 extra minutes they could have spent a bit more time on each section of his life.
Kaiser Eoghan
@Mario: I checked out lala land, ending was very well executed, one of three scenes in the film that were impressive visually. The whole thing looked pretty and Gosling and Stone had some decent chemistry. Although it didn't resonate emotionally as strongly as the musicals of Jacques Demi did.
Kaiser Eoghan
MOM I want aiyoku no eustia and I want it now.
Kaiser Eoghan
I've never heard of himawari or tokyo babel. The hellsing comparison at least interests me in dies irae. What was the name of that visual novel again that was coming out soon, Aidan you described it as "And Kaiser would love it because its supposed to be really fucked up".
Kaiser Eoghan
I vaguely remember the anime for 11 eyes, it was very forgettable, even the voice acting was poor, hated the childhood friends and the pacing was poor, those black knight things were kind of interesting though.
Kaiser Eoghan
@Aidan: You'll have to add me onto the list of those unsatisfied with the ever 17 writer, I read one of those games and felt it was a bunch of interesting bait that never paid off.
AidanAK47
Anyway I plan on doing a review of 11eyes here when I finish it.
AidanAK47
Can't say I was a fan of Ever17. That was a really good twist but when it came to explaining it their was a lot of contrived development. Generally not a fan of the writer. Looseboy, Ryukishi, Gen and Nasu are more my kinda thing
AidanAK47
@Anon, it is nice that so many VNs are on steam but I wish they wouldn't be stupid with the whole no adult content thing. Not so much for myself but to prevent idiots from writing negitives reviews because the game doesn't have sex. VNs can grip you in a way anime simply can't and while they require pathence and time those can be some pretty powerful stories.
Anonymous678956
@Aidan, I am so happy steam's so VN-friendly now. I think it's a very good type of media. Like anime, it has nice visuals, music and some movement but also the inner monologue and text amount of books. It's the perfect combination. Plus, the routes, which are often puzzle pieces and PoVs you have to go through to understand the whole story. True routes like the one of Ever17 blew my mind.
AidanAK47
Hopefully the two VNs I bought of steam turn out better. Tokyo Babel is supposed to be alright and I heard really good things about Himawari.
AidanAK47
I am about a third of the way through the game and really not much of worth has happened. The concept is interesting but the execution is sorely lacking.
AidanAK47
I went in expecting it to be a mixed bag and it's pretty below my expectations. It's just not really well written and the protagonist is a moron. THere isn't really routes and instead you are pretty much stuck with his childhood friend as the main love interest. Problem with that is her character begins and ends with loving the main.
Anonymous675376
@Aidan, damn. 11Eyes is on my reading list as well. Although I almost expected it to not be as good as I thought it'd be (back then). Guess I would have enjoyed it if I was able to read it while the (shitty) adaption aired, maybe I have seen/read too many series by now. Guess I'll still give it a try some day though.
AidanAK47
@Anon, I haven't heard the OST or watched the intro video. I only know it be reputation and have decided to walk into it as blind as I can. Still slightly worried as I was somewhat looking forward to reading 11Eyes for a couple of years and now that I am reading it it's well...not good.
Anonymous675376
@Aidan, same here. I was waiting years for this, since I saw the intro video for the first time. Also, that OST!
HelghastKillzone
Youjo Senki is already leagues better than Izetta. It's going to be top anime of forever and ever. (maybe not)
AidanAK47
And finally Dies Irae is funded. May actually be able to play and finish the game before the anime airs. If the hype is real behind this baby it could be a new personal favorite Visual Novel of mine. Already looking promising with it being like a cross between Hellsing and Fate/Stay Night. Two things I most certainly like.
Lenlo
@Masky, in regards to style over substance thats where im at with Gurrne Lagann.
Topgavin
Yeah, I'll probably watch the next episode to see whether it can redeem itself. Hopefully it can but considering 1st episodes usually get a lot of budget, there's some severe doubt in there.
AidanAK47
I actually argee with character designs and voices are bad in regards to female characters. Still the next episode might change your mind if we get more into the main characters head.
Anonymous671470
It's boring
Topgavin
Also, it seems I disagree with a lot of people in thinking Youjo Senki will be a massive trainwreck. The character designs are awful, the voice acting is mismatched but most of all the premise just seems so very dumb. If I wanted to watch a badass kill people I'd go watch Hellsing or Drifters, because at least those don't have some op, disproportionate loli as the mc.
AidanAK47
Gets even more complicated when you account for Satire and Parody. You could equally argue all examples listed as being as such.
AidanAK47
Little Witch Academia is a decontruction of Harry Potter....I don't believe that but honestly if I tried I could put some reasoning behind that statement.
Topgavin
In the end, it always comes down to opinion (as with every discussion about anime, for some reason). You could spin any and every series as a "deconstruction", which is why people shy away from using the word. You could argue NGE, Madoka and Re:Zero are all deconstructions yet also argue Gundam, Precure and SAO are depending on what points you weigh more importantly.
Masky
Like, if deconstruction is supposed to be just "break the elements and then play story how it would realistically go down" well I haven't watched NGE, but as far as I know it does have stuff that isn't typical to mecha genre besides the "It would fuck up kids" thing plus "realistically how it would play out" is pretty subjective thing. I mean, its mainly about how cynical bastard the writer is :P
Masky
Like I said, I don't fully agree with it because I find video's speaker's attitude annoying, but I found it semi convincing. Main thing I don't find convincing about it is that I don't think its hard to turn video's own arguments agaisnt it and say that by its own logic NGE isn't deconstruction either, like Aidan just said earlier
Masky
And I don't really have energy for checking out the "correct" one. If there even is one. Anyway, the hipster video I was talking about was titled "What Actually Is A Deconstruction?" if you want to check it out.
Masky
Hmm, well, it does depend on definition you use. Like if you use "realistic" thing, well, Magical Girl shows don't usually have "You turn into monsters" thing going on and reason why NGE's pilots go crazy is from dangerous situations rather than evas making them do so. But honestly, I don't really have strong opinion on matter since word seems to be one of those with several different meaning
SuperMario
for me Madoka IS a deconstruction of Magical girl, and yeah like what Aidan said
SuperMario
I think part of Utena is a deconstruction of "prince riding horse and save the girl" because that notion is just a foundation for Utena to become a prince herself and save other girl. That's breaking it apart and resemble it again in its own way. Don't have to be dark/ don't have to be real either
AidanAK47
@Masky, That's just debating semantics. Besides that difinition would pretty much mean that Neon Genesis Evangelion isn't a decontruction either. Madoka isn't a decontruction because it's dark. It's more in its aspects of criticising why a girl should throw her ordinary life away for something as dangerous as being a magical girl. It does take plenty of the typical tropes and turn them on its head
SuperMario
@Masky: Genre deconstruction is such a tricky word that I normally try to avoid using because there's really no set characteristic about the term and different people have different opinions about what constitute "deconstruction". For me, I disagree that deconstruction have to be dark and real, hmm can't say it well but I will give you an example:
Masky
But yeah, I guess I could try to find the video if you guys are interested, though like I said, I got hipsterish feel from the video and felt rather annoyed through it even though I did get what the point was and found it sort of convincing besides my annoyance
Masky
(not that liking NGE is hipsterish, its just that I find NGE to be more style than substance sort of series <_< Anyway, guy didn't dislike madoka or anything, he just seemed to dislike people using word deconstruction wrong in his opinion)
Masky
(especially with how much they seemed to praise Neon Genesis Evangelion)
Masky
I mean, I think the guy was being somewhat hipsterish, but its true the being darker take on genre isn't same as deconstructing the genre
Masky
@AidanAK47: Some other guy on youtube did video that had actually pretty good point about how Madoka isn't really deconstruction, if you go by definition of "Break it down to parts and then play them straight to show how horrifying it would be in real life"
Anonymous670441
Gente - Ristorante no Hitobito
Kaiser Eoghan
If anything its the hate I have for certain characters that makes it more effective.
Kaiser Eoghan
The obsessional level of attachment is just uncomfortable to me, I don't want to get THAT attached to a non-real character.
Kaiser Eoghan
Its literally just a case of "Okay lets look at this picture of this character, she looks interesting, no feelings or expression from me, apply this fetish, fap, get release, go home. "
Kaiser Eoghan
Or drooling/dribbling/heavy breathing/grinning over the characters. I abhor alot of the anime girls I find attractive or am indifferent, even when looking at ecchi/hentai drawings I'm straight and clinical with it.
Kaiser Eoghan
I mean to each their own. But I really hate the level of emotion/devotion to moe/finding the characters attractive. Such as celebrating their birthdays, going on about how cute/hot they are, how important it is that they're virgins. Or not being being self-aware of how irritating the characters are.
Lenlo
Anime hipster is pretty accurate. His general treatment of the current state of anime is annoying, as is his obsession with moe. Maybe its cause I cant stand moe most of the time, but it bugs me.
Kaiser Eoghan
@Lenlo: Essentially my brothers view on digibro.
Kaiser Eoghan
@Aidan: I don't usually feel the need to correct errors in your reviews as the errors are generally un-important, but I think you meant to say apprentices rather than appearences in the Rakugo review, just bringing that up as it felt like kind of a throw off.
AidanAK47
Which is kinda like saying Madoka wasn't a magical girl deconstruction because Sailor Moon and Nanoha had dark elements too.
AidanAK47
Went and read the reddit comments on it and seems I was right on the money.
AidanAK47
@Lenlo, He's basically a anime hipster. For example, I saw a thumbnail of his which had Saitama on it and below it "Is There Meaning In "Subverting" Shounen Tropes?" and I thought "Okay, he's going to go on about how OPM isn't subversive and then list a bunch of arbitrary examples in an attempt to redefine what is actually subversive"
Lenlo
I have lots of issues with Digibro. Dude has some good points, but other very horrible ones. Some issues he feels strongly about and gets kinda biased on imo.
Anonymous669202
acca looks visually interesting, and I personally really dig this kind of show, but it seems that it's definitely not for everyone
AidanAK47
Time to live up to my word. Four posts incoming.
AidanAK47
Man, Little witch Academia was so good. I disagree with the whole Digibro thing about being able to recognise a great show in it's first episode but watching this makes me think that this really is going to be something special.
AidanAK47
Alright, gonna put in effort today and have 3 or 4 first impressions posts done. That should knock out near half the season.
Kaiser Eoghan
Had a flip through handshakers. Garish is the word I'd use to describe it visually, it takes you out of the show.
Topgavin
ASuperMario From the first minute I can already tell it's by the same people that made K. Those colour filters and the extremely jarring/obvious city CGI is unmistakable.
SuperMario
Hand Shakers, literally makes my hands shaking. It's an abosolute mess. Highly recommended to check it out because it's so terrible it's great to watch
Vonter212
Yeah, and it's also a literal woman in refrigerator plot device, since that the thing that pushes the story forward.
Masky
I'd say that having to hide your sister's body in fridge would count as daaaaaaark and edgy, but when the body is wearing only underwear, and for some reason main character put metal things in fridge to keep body standing(I guess to not knock fridge open from inside?) I think it goes to "exploitation" you are talking about
Vonter212
@Masky - Did someone said doing dark things for drama? That's the bread and butter to get despair. Unless it's for the sake of perversion. Then it's just exploitation.
Kaiser Eoghan
@Masky: His other works dead tube and scumbag go further in the unhinged regard.
Masky
*relies on easy "let's do [x dark thing] for drama!" thing
Masky
Geez, Mayonaka no X Giten is fricking disturbing/disgusting ._. I'm pretty sure that writing relies on e, but I can't help but think mangaka is trying to make corpses sexy.
SuperMario
I found Onihei to be quite good, actually one of the most solid new episode I watched this new season. Guys, check them out
Vonter
I just hope it doesn't fall into the same misstep Kabaneri or Inuyasha or Bleach fall by making a villain so over the top that it crossed the line of not having a satisfying downfall.
Anonymous657941
@Vonter I think they just moved on. I lost interest rather quickly and I guess even the fans did that at some point, like with some other long-running series. There is much more new and more direct "fujo" stuff out there, many of them probably switched. Don't know what happens in the manga but maybe the story got worse or contained things some people didn't like.
Vonter
January will be loli dictator month (for me) :p. World Conquest Zvezda Plot, Youjo Senki: Saga of Tanya the Evil (new), Seraph of the End. For some reason I stumble into three curious series with little power hungry girls. If I can ask, why did Owari Seraph's hype died, I remember back it was mentioned more often. It still has the fujoshi fanart but still, I don't see people bringing it up.
SuperMario
@CATski: well, if you didn't like its first 3 episodes I dont think the rest gonna change your mind. Have you finished Erased then? How did you like it?
SuperMario
But I understand it's difficult to speak in front of camera, get some time to get used to it
SuperMario
@kaiser: I won't commend on poem as I'm terrible at it myself but younneed to work more on presentation Kaiser. Small little things like looking directly at the camera or say "thanks for listening" in the end can connect you to the audience better
Anonymous657071
Ok. I'll give the thing another chance. *clicks torrent* XD. CATski.
Kaiser Eoghan
@Topgavin: You might like centaur no nanami if you like demi-chan.
Kaiser Eoghan
Damn...repeated myself =<
Kaiser Eoghan
There are these things called slam sessions done in bars where people get up and read out stuff in front of a crowd and read stuff out. Actually watching rakugo made me think about practicing for that kind of thing.
Kaiser Eoghan
@Mario: the video I did was of me reading out a short piece of writing I did, a poem. lol I uploaded it to the wrong youtube account too I just realized =P
[link src="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ypBZ2hBDBYs&t=11s
I"] was recording this from my mothers laptops inbuilt cam while reading off my desktop.
SuperMario
@Kaiser: I think it's a good idea for you to try out reviewing movies/stuffs in youtube channel. I'll be very interesting to listen to them
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