Posted by psgels on 24 March 2013 with categories: Anime Reviews, Psycho Pass



Psycho Pass belongs in the category of series that base themselves on a futuristic world that center around a basic premise. Take for example Kaiba, in which people’s minds can be extracted from their bodies, Real Drive, with its evolution of the Internet or Himitsu, where people can download the memories of dead people. In Psycho Pass, it’s all about creating the perfect society without crime. Everyone is monitored and has their own “Psycho Pass”, and as soon as your mind starts to think criminal thoughts, you’re arrested. With that as a building block, it makes its story.

The story is set to explore this setting. I won’t spoil exactly how, but I will say that over its course, it shows many different opinions about this setting. And it doesn’t just try to answer whether the setting is wrong or right, but it goes more in-depth. Every character has some good or bad points to make, and every one of those points is open to interpretations. It’s a show that aims to make you think, and even the things it just spells out for you have a lot of depth behind them. This goes on for 22 episodes and I have to say that after Guilty Crown, this has really shown how a 2-cours Noitamina series should be done.

Especially at the end of the series everything comes together, and the build-up for the story really pays off. At the beginning of the series though, this series loses some points for focusing on the same things for a bit too long. The big problem is that it focuses too much on one particular aspect of the setting, so that it has to rush to get everything else in in its second half. It manages to do this somehow, but the transition could have gone smoother.

On the technical terms, Production IG delivered some really good choreography and camera angles that really make their impact when they need to. The soundtrack for this series also is really good, and it doesn’t just have one style. It just makes use of whatever track it thinks fits the best to the scene, whether this is classical music or techno. Oh, and that’s another thing that this series loves to do: quote some famous literary works. Call it pretentious. I call it interesting if it contributes to the story. Which to me, it did.

The characters in this series are perhaps not its most memorable parts, but even they have something to write home about. It’s got an excellent villain in the form of Makishima Shougo, who for once actually has some good and interesting motivation to back himself up. Akane also might seem out of place when you first see her, but she really shines in her character-development. The rest of the side-characters also manage to have their impact, even though this series does not have the “Let’s devote all our time to the backstory of this side-character”-episodes. Instead their depth is subtly woven into the story. If you like serious series and believe that anime is too cute nowadays, then this is one series that you shouldn’t pass up.

Note: I’m going to experiment a bit more with this review format, simply because of making the Storytelling, characters, production-values, setting”-list got a bit too annoying to write down every time.
One-sentence Review: Psycho Pass explores its unique sci-fi setting really well with thought-provoking dialogue, characters and a great plot, and mostly keeps true to its promise that there would be no moe included.
Suggestions:
Kaiba
Himitsu The Revelation
RD Sennou Chousashitsu

43 Responses

  1. gurdlo says:

    I’m glad you’re changing the review format since I think it’s not all that far to but setting, characters, story and production value all on the same level. Some have higher priority than others

  2. Tulip says:

    How do you come up with the numbers then? lol

  3. geagea says:

    phantom > blassreiter > f/z > madoka (fuck you Shinbo!) >>>>>> Naruto >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> PP

  4. Cytl says:

    I wasn’t too sure I was going to like the ending but at the end I think it was great. Akane ended up as the more complete character of all the series (miles ahead of Kogami and Shogo). The conclusion of Gino’s parental issues was also very good. At the end not everything is solved; Akane is the only one who knows about Sybil’s truth (just imagine that kind of weight in her shoulders), Gino embraced his kinda tragic destiny, the world is not saved, the real antagonist is still functioning.
    Even if it would be a major risk for the integrity of the series, I honestly would like a second season; of course this is not gonna happen, though.

    • Halfman says:

      Interesting, I found Akane to be one of the least developed characters. From the first episode (when she stuns Kogami) it’s established she has her own view of justice – a combination of the new (Sibyl) way and the old (atone for your crime) way. Sure, she wrestles with this view various times throughout the series (death of her friend, truth about Sibyl) but her view doesn’t actually change… I just found her to be hypocritical and annoying…

      • Cytl says:

        At first she wasn’t even able to define her role in society as she did at the end of the series (Kogami and Shogo on the other hand are pretty much one track minded during the whole series). She went from simply accepting things to question them. Also, I don’t see how she is hypocrite, she ends up as the only inside-opposition against the Sybil system: she doesn’t vehemently goes against it but still she shows that she cares the most about people.

        • Halfman says:

          Perhaps I’m a little bit biased because I really do dislike people like Akane in real life and even more so in fiction.

          I just can’t respect her as a character… I hate characters that are on the fence about everything… they’re annoying brats that want everything their own way.

          • Cytl says:

            All major characters in this series do things their own way. Only Gino and Akane compromise at the very end. In her case, she doesn’t throw a tantrum and instead she openly decides to destroy the system from inside, even if it means suppressing her desires for the moment.
            Even so, I understand there are times a character just doesn’t sit well with our personalities.

  5. Rena says:

    Even though a part of me wished for lots of explosions and plot twists. I think Gen did a good job. It’s like Real Drive so I think in that, the ending was good. It wasn’t too dramatic and went for a sensible ending.

  6. TheUltimateReaper@yahoo.com says:

    The show as good but the ending was fucking boring. I mean like–just plain old boring. Nothing I haven’t seen before. This show was typical from the start, but oh well. A waste of time for the most part. I expected more.

    • jonas says:

      Psycho Pass is ultimately a cop show, and in cop shows victories are always small.

      • TheUltimateReaper says:

        Yeah I guess. This is one case I really wish the story could have taken up a little more originality. We could have had a brilliant ending. Why go softcore? I mean… even if there was an S2 this is just weak… and the exposition was really… lame.

  7. someloser says:

    and it ends, what a twist, gino never needed glasses in the first place.

    also kasai taking to saiga

    also new inspector being the chick from the all girls school

    s2 when?

    • boa_sting says:

      wut I thought I was paying attention. I totally missed that the new Inspector at the end was a character from way back earlier in the series.

  8. Smurfy says:

    I agree with TheUltimateRea…
    “The show as good but the ending was fucking boring…”

    I would have posted in the last episode thread, but this one seems fresher.

    Well as the series as now ended, the best part was the beginning, then all of a sudden it takes a tangent downwards.

    Psycho pass had solid characters all the way through. I will just pick Makishima for the sake of argument, as the series was almost reaching its conclusion, I actually wanted him to succeed ( I don’t know what that says about me) I saw him as a necessary evil, in the so called perfect society.

    Maybe its just me, I don’t get it why stories usually build up such characters like Makishimas who are to an extent formidable/god like all of a sudden, their downfall is hubris. Seriously!!! Haven’t we seen this too many times – the pride before the fall.

    Makima was always one step ahead of every one, even when he put himself in compromising positions he still came out tops. I didn’t like the way the focus on him was suddenly changed. Let me explain I have always liked Villains that take the back role and do their bidding through indirect connections, which was how the series started then suddenly Makishima started to become personally involved.
    The writings were all up on the wall from the endings of previous episodes.. Calling – Kougami after his breakout escape.

    What I didn’t like the most was the penultimate episode ending were he was laughing to himself while walking across the grain fields to the facility. To me, that scene just seemed out of character. Even carrying out the plan HIMSELF.

    Sure Choe Gu-Sung was dead, it is not hard to assume given from the way Maxima had been portrayed he was now unable to round up a replacement or even goons to do his bidding. This was someone who was robbing shoulders with Senguji Toyohisa in the earlier episodes… So What the hell happened ?

    • AidanAK47 AidanAK47 says:

      On the contrary I found Makishima far more interesting once the focus changed.
      “I have always liked Villains that take the back role and do their bidding through indirect connections, which was how the series started then suddenly Makishima started to become personally involved.”
      See that’s the problem. The villain working through indirect connections is the standard. Off the top of my head I could name numerous criminal masterminds who did so. That’s what made Makishima boring. He became more interesting when he started being human. Making mistakes and getting personal.
      Really take a look at what you said. When you look at it I don’t think Makishima even intended to succeed. He almost deliberately sabotaged himself. In the end his goal was achieved. He became someone who can’t be replaced.

      • FreshSushi says:

        I’m surprised everyone found Makishima to be so interesting. I found that his character developement was rather lacking and he was pretty one-dimensional to begin with. He wasn’t as much as a character as a force of nature that forced the rest of the cast to adapt.

        The most interesting developements by far was Akane and Gino. I suspected from the start that Gino was just going to be a grump old boss that yelled at everyone but he turned out to be much more complicated as he began to question the system that he trusted for so long. However he was still unable to make a decision unlike Akane therefore had to put up with the system despite having his doubts (a nice foil to Akane’s developement imo). In the end he fell into the pitfall he had desperately tried to avoid but accepted his destiny and dealt with his parent issue that plagued him the entire series, a rather nice way to end things.

        • jonas says:

          I agree, Shogo defeating the only real police officer in the unit (Masaoka), was a really cheap way to keep the story going.

      • Halfman says:

        It’s weird… I wanted Makishima to “win” and bring destruction to the Sybil System — but at the same time he really did deserve to die.

        Despite the shows best effort to ruin his character (the 2nd half/end), I really liked Makishima. It was easy to picture him as the hero of his own story, like if the story was told from his POV he would be a similar antihero/antivillain to characters like Light, Lelouch or V (from V for Vendetta).

    • TheUltimateReaper says:

      I really expected the Villain to actually succeed and bring down Sybil. Sure he coulda died, but had he gone out with a bang… My goodness! Why did I ever have my hopes up!? ake;jteu3u

      • Puran says:

        Yeah… I have to agree. I don’t want to start another real debate on Psycho-Pass, but I found it had a ton of problems:

        It failed to convey the essence of its setting. It “SAID” that people were living in a society where there is peace and everything is decided for them, but it never showed us that. Show, don’t tell.

        The plot was very straightforward and that’s… fine. But everything was so much by the book that it kind of started giving me the feeling of been-there-done-that very soon. The ending was the biggest offender of this. Sure, it did conclude the main plot, in that sense it’s a succesful ending. But I hate Life Goes On endings in plot-driven series. After all that stuff, nothing really changed, nothing really happened. Nothing was accomplished. I guess it was deliberate, but I didn’t like it.

        The characters… Akane just changed at a point. I don’t count that as development. Makishima had only one side to him. Shogo was a tad developed. And the supporting chars were all one-sided and… unnesecary? I was expecting that lesbian musician girl to have some impact on the plot, but she didn’t. Was she even needed to be there?

        In conclusion, Psycho-Pass is… fine. It’s never terrible, but I also don’t think it ever hit any big highs. It’s fine, but I didn’t like it.

  9. Halfman says:

    My biggest gripe with Psycho-Pass was it failed to create a conceivable dystopia. The whole Judge Dredd meets Minority Report meets Ghost in the Shell thing was incredibly undeveloped… what should have been its greatest strength, was its greatest weakness… okay, maybe second greatest weakness after character development :)

    • boa_sting says:

      I kind of liked how it wasn’t even really much of a dystopia and then furthermore how it wasn’t wiped out or even really changed in the end. I have more respect for the show because of the ending that didn’t really end things.

      Sure, the premise wasn’t too original, and there were plenty of other weaknesses in the setting and how the system was explained. And I’m still not sure how Akane suddenly flipped the switch between clueless and super-detective mode.

      Seeing as some of the arcs in the beginning took a bit of time, there were a couple episodes in the middle where not too much happened with the main narrative (also that one for Yayoi), and how the character development for some of the characters wasn’t that hot anyway, I’m kind of wondering if this could have been better if condensed into a single cour, 11-13 episodes. I don’t mean to just hack stuff out and rush other things, but to just focus on the important idea and themes, redo the scenario and structure.

      • Halfman says:

        Perhaps you’re not too familiar with the dystopian genre, because Psycho-Pass is textbook dystopia — and a rather interesting one at that. It just fails to make proper use of its setting…

        • AidanAK47 AidanAK47 says:

          I don’t know about that. Most dystopian I have seen is completely totalitarian. Psycho Pass on the other offers degrees of freedom and expression. Unlike 1984 which took every freedom a person had.
          I also didn’t really have trouble imagining how a system like psycho passes works. So I found the dystopian at least feasible.

          • Halfman says:

            Well, totalitarianism is just one characteristic of a dystopian society, and while 1984 does indeed take things to the extreme, Psycho-Pass is clearly totalitarian in nature as well.

            1984 had Big Brother, Psycho-Pass has the Sibyl System. Both worlds rely extensively on surveillance to control its citizens even to the point where even certain thoughts can carry a death sentence (thoughtcrimes). Do I really need to go on?

            If you can’t clearly see that Psycho-Pass is a totalitarian dystopia, then you must be a North Korean who has been indoctrinated since birth to think 2+2=5

            :)

          • AidanAK47 AidanAK47 says:

            However there is still freedom of expression on the internet as people can even express controversial idea’s without consequence. Also hideouts for people to play whatever music they want instead of Sibil approved music. People are recommended jobs but have the freedom to choose should they have high enough marks. (As Akane did. She wasn’t forced to become an enforcer, she chose to be one.) I don’t think there was examples of thought-crime here. Sure there were points were a dangerous crime coefficient can get you apprehended but that was related to crime, not rebelling or speaking out against the system. And while when you enter that prison the chances of you getting out are slim to none, there seem to be examples of people who can recover their psycho pass. As the woman in the first episode did. The surveillance looks to be not prefect either as many got away with making psycho shrines in there rooms without the system noticing. Meaning they are not watched all the time. It has blind spots too.

          • boa_sting says:

            Hm, dystopia is probably the right word I guess. Maybe I was really talking about the slider on the totaliarian scale.

            As kind of pointed out above, it’s no 1984, Brave New World, Animal Farm, Fahrenheit 451, etc.

            They limit certain forms of expression and lock up latent criminals. Maybe most importantly, this isolates people from each other, especially those that Sibyl can’t judge and those whose Psycho Pass are too, but the majority of the general populace?

            The depiction of CID and the students at the school (and some of the others too) were dark at times but not bleak.

          • Halfman says:

            AidanAK47, the world of Pyscho-Pass has the ILLUSION of freedom. IIRC the internet is cut off from the rest of the world along with the country itself, the arts are considered “dangerous” and require Sibyl’s blessing… how isn’t that oppressive?

            You also seem to think that a dystopia needs to be perfect, you are mistaken. Dystopias are ALWAYS flawed, because if they weren’t they would be utopias.

            Makishima exposes many of these flaws throughout the series, and many more are exposed as the audience learns more about the world of Psycho-Pass.

          • AidanAK47 AidanAK47 says:

            Halfman, silly fool. Current society also has that same illusion of freedom.

    • SpicedMagnolia says:

      This is an instance where the line between utopia and dystopia becomes fuzzy.

      Sybil allowed a society of carefree, stress-free life, but at the same time robbed the populace of the little conflicts that typically encompass a “real” life.

      It wasn’t supposed to be perceived as a dystopia; furthermore, I think it was actually supposed to be perceived as a utopia. Only after seeing through Makishima’s eyes do we finally realize how dystopian a life it really is.

      • Chase says:

        This is the difference between 1984-like dystopias and psycho pass. The society in psycho pass isn’t intended to be a dystopia, and the majority of the residents of the society might not think it is a dystopia, but by design it limits freedoms, locks up latent criminals for the “greater good” and is controlled by Sybil with the illusion of democracy.

  10. StaleBread says:

    All in all a nice tied up end.
    Akane, Kogami, and Makishima all got a warped version of what they wanted, and partially what they deserved.

    Stability, Justice, Freedom
    Slavery, Exile, Death

    Also seeing Sibyl using Akane as template to create its own perfect Brave New World. Hence the brains keeping her around. Everyone will be stable, productive, and obedient all the time, despite sadness, pain, and moral misgivings.

    Funny how out of the whole show, the two characters who invoked the most feelings out of me are Masaoka and Choe. Maybe because they didn’t grow up in the Sibyl system, which made all the younger characters, to me, more remote.

  11. Aniuxa says:

    Well, I think since ep 17 nothing good comes. It was like an amazing series with a bad 5 eps ending. Even the graphs felt kind of bad. Or was it only me who felt it?. Makishima was a incredible character that ended bad. I remind me to what happen with death not L. Do you think is going to be a second season?

  12. Aniuxa says:

    *Death Note. Sorry my english is not my native language

  13. RR says:

    The anime is hardly original. It has its strong points but sadly it is just a rehash of the excellent short story “The Minority Report” by Philip K. Dick. Honestly, very few anime are good these days. This one is OK, not bad but nothing fantastic either.

    • Halfman says:

      I agree with you, for the most part, but you seem to think originality actually exists… when it doesn’t.

      “There is nothing new under the sun” – one of the very few things the Bible says that I agree with. Perhaps ironic considering the Bible is arguably the greatest example of stealing from others…

  14. RR says:

    May I also add that it borrows plot points from the movie “Equilibrium” specially the banning of the arts part. Now I think its a collage of borrowed ideas from different futuristic sci-fi movies, noels and short stories including other manga and anime

    • Halfman says:

      While what you say is indeed true, please don’t use a derivative work such as Equilibrium to make your point. That’s like saying Apple invented the tablet computer (iPad)…

  15. well says:

    the show had potential. it just went down south in my opinion. it could have been so much better. things were not described in a clear fashion. i got what they were trying to do but i dont feel like they succeeded.

  16. Cam says:

    I’ve just pre-ordered the complete first season premuim box set with a discount. http://amzn.to/LrDE81 I can’t wait for it to arrive. Amazon needs to ship this out fast :P

  17. Jedman says:

    Yeah I think this show peaked around half way to two thirds of the way through, when I was thinking to myself, this could turn out to be one of the best Anime’s iv’e ever seen. but then it kind of tailed off toward the end. Still rate it very highly though. Would give it a 9 out of 10.

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@Travlos: I don't mind if you do a guess review on Virgin Soul, but let's me check with other admins first.

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Virgin Soul is going for a nice explosive ending. If no one writes a review, I would be willing to write one.
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There's another anime, called Tytania based on his novels but I haven't seen that series.
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As in condensable in the way nothing much is lost? I assume there are fillers in the original?
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Or maybe I'll try to read the manga. The last time I checked it online, the site doesn't have its first few chapters
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So that's the end of Tsurezure Children.
....I'm gonna need a second season. Now.
....NOW GODDAMNIT! NOW!
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So that explains why Meteora had so much air time in Re:Creators. It's her story....

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@Mario: The criticisms I'll give wind river, is a slight inconsistent performance from Renner and that very awkwardly inserted flashback scene.
SuperMario
@Kaiser: on Wind River, I agree it's a well-executed case of the week drama, although there are some plot pregressions that I don't get (how did they find out about the man's corspe again?). About Demonlover, man, the film gives me a chill down my spine. Heartless. And a bit misogynist.
SuperMario
@Kaiser: as much as I loved Wong (yeah I too prefer him over Malick), sometimes I do think Western cinema give him too much praise that sadly overshadow other Asian directors.
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Mario: Wong is important to me as a hong-kong filmaker, he offers something entirely different from the whole Woo/Lam Hong komg movies.
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Mario: On a more positive note Maggie Cheung did mention that she felt her early work with Wong was when she first truly became a proper actress.
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Mario: ....I had no idea he had such a sad background.
Kaiser-Eoghan
*investigation drama
SuperMario
@Kaiser: that film also marked/ signified a rather sad period of Hongkong showbiz. Leslie Cheung badically lived the live of the protagonist and commited suicide in 1997. His girlfriend on screen, during the filming, was kidnaped, raped and taken topless picture. The damnest thing is that everyone knowed the culprit but did nothing, and in the press it was just deemed as "kipnapped and assaulted"
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Mario: Wind river was a big surprise for me, just goes to show that with the right execution an ordinary police drama movie can be elevated higher.
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Mario: Thats the interesting thing, tracking a directors career.
Kaiser-Eoghan
Just binge watched the new dominion tank police ovas , admittedly these are kind of reptitive and extremely silly but its hard to hate on something so shamelessly fun that made me feel like a child again.
SuperMario
@Kaiser: you said it there. DoBW is rather raw and unpolished but that's one of the reason why I am drawn to it more compare to his other works.
AidanAK47
In all honesty, it would be nice to finally see a continuation after fusion as all games after that have just been adding chapters in-between.
Vonter
Finally I wonder, if Metroid Prime 4 will definitely branch out of the main Metroid's continuity. It's curious how an interquel subseries is still going to add things in between the first and the second entries in the main franchise.
Vonter
AidanAK47 - I think is nice we can see both takes. Especially since neither one despite a few qualms are still very solid entries for this franchise. I just hope Metroid moves forward, as IMO this is the only game that really needed a facelift do to the heavy limitations of the gameboy. And I hope the secret gallery at the end is teasing how the producer plans to move the plot forward.
AidanAK47
I thought it might be like that but it's good to know they are at least on a close level. I didn't really want Samus Returns to replace AM2R as the "Definitive" version of Metroid 2. Mostly because a lot of love was put into AM2R andit came at a point when it felt Nintendo didn't give a crap about Metroid.
Vonter
Like Zero Mission there's something added to Samus Returns but I'll just leave it at that.
Vonter
I think both have strong points. Samus Returns have better boss battles, gameplay mechanics and more intense action pieces. AM2R IMO has more atmosphere, takes advantage of elements Nintendo don't even try like the Federation subplot, and the ending portion narratively has more heart in AM2R, while in Samus Returns it feels mostly like "the final level".
Vonter
I also did got lost a couple of times in Samus Returns and aside from the big water section in AM2R, the latter is more linear game.
Vonter
I think the controls in Samus Returns bring more to the table though. The 360 aiming makes for better ways to shoot enemies and some of the bosses take advantage of that. If it weren't for the 3DS giving hand cramps because you're holding L and R at several points it'll be completely the most ideal way to play.
Vonter
AidanAK47 - AM2R is very good, I think it has the advantage that because it uses sprites IMO backgrounds and enemies are more vibrant and easier to appreciate. The Federation soldiers are better executed in AM2R and that secret section with the ship is very eery.
AidanAK47
@Vonter, How does it stack up to AM2R? I bought it and am still waiting on it to be delivered but I have the feeling that AM2R would be the better game when comparing.
Vonter
I took me 12 hours to 100% and I've heard the best ending is beating it in less than 4 hours. I think unlike Zero Mission item percentage don't matter, it's mainly to unlock an art gallery.
Vonter
My main criticism is this being a 3DS game. Small enemies can be hard to see or appreciate. And I think the 3DS wasn't made for heavy action packed games like this or Smash Bros. I got the rubber from the circle pad come off in two occasions. Also unless there was something big in the background, several areas felt lacking in detail. Still Samus and the bosses look good.
Vonter
In terms of difficulty, the game has the enemies packing more damage than in other 2D Metroids. Is difficult in the sense than you can't tank damage as in other iterations, you have to be aware of enemy behavior and bosses mainly get easier do to familiarizing with their patterns, since I did die a lot each time I faced a new boss. And got used to kill them faster as I went along.
Vonter
Ok, so I beat Samus Returns. It's quite good. Unlike Fusion that had dialogue at midst the gameplay. Samus Returns only has a prologue of exposition and any cutscenes mainly accentuate the reactions of Samus confronting a new enemy. The level design is dense, despite having isolated areas like in Fusion and the original Samus Returns, each area is very mazelike.
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Mario: =< Awww I kind of like demonlover actually despite all its flaws, it had great sound design and had this cold, clinical, un-nerving mood to it.
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Mario: Days of being wild does feel a bit un-realized/un-polished/rough compared to his other work definitely but its probably the rawest I've seen from him and that has its appeal.
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Mario: Haven't seen farewell my concubine come to think of it. Regarding the scifi element I felt I embraced it more further into the film when it started to intermingle more.
While I am more forgiving toward Malick's recent films than most, that decline in quality means I have to pick Wong.
KTravlos
by the way in RE:Creators we probably will be getting a future series focusing on the hunt for Magane :p Meteora probably playing the role of detective. I also bet her novel will be wordy and heavy in exposition :p
KTravlos
i.e his end game might had been a cross-species revolution against him anyway. We will see
KTravlos
In Bahamut Chris proves to not be totally evil, but he is totally crazy. That said I am seeing one of my hunches getting supported, the hunch was that his cruelty towards daemons was with the purpose of bringing them down enough that they would be willing to work with humans as euals (As they are in Jean's army) and thus via that create a more unified world. I
KTravlos
RE: Creators has come to its end. I know the problems everyone has with it, and while it failed to raise to the level of exceptional show, I loved it. As I said, it had been years since a show kept me so excited episode after episode. They blew it at some point, but ultimately for me this is an en-joyful show, and one I would happily binge watch in the future again.
SuperMario
@Kaiser: question for you though, between these two directors, which one do you prefer: Wong Kar-Wai or Terrance Malick?
SuperMario
@Kaiser: if you enjoyed both 2046 and In the Mood for Love, by all mean check out Days of Being Wild. The trio forms a loose trilogy and Days of Being Wild was the first film that Wong began his unique unconventional style. It's one of my personal favorite of Wong and it's a chance for you to watch the late Leslie Cheung acted (you might watch him already in Farewell My Concubine)
SuperMario
@Kaiser: 2046 is indeed a passionate film, and one of his best looking film. He tried something different in 2046 too, experimented with scifi (one of the best part in the film for me)
SuperMario
@Kaiser: it's stritcly Wong Kar Wai's romance we're talking about, since I don't find the rest of Chinese take on romance that interesting. Romance or melodrama is one of his main theme throughout his career
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Mario: It was slightly overly long however.
I've also seen chungking express, in the mood for love and fallen angels. I think this Chinese take on romance is really clicking with me.
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Mario: I also thought it was a very passionette film and I love how Kar-wong-wai uses the music in it. I also think its one of his best looking films.
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Mario: I had a look at that Chinese film 2046, very effectively melancholic take on fleeting relationships while also successfully being quite sensual while staying classy and without ever showing too much. Tony Leung and Maggie Cheung are two beautiful people =P
SuperMario
for those who still want to catch up with 18if, episode 11 has a huge recap, while wrapping up the show with a new overarching plot. Hopefully they don't pull another Matrix here
SuperWooper
It's shounen-y for sure. The competitions have been my least favorite parts of the show so far. If you're still watching, you might appreciate it more once the Tenpei Cup is over.
Anonymous1399692
Damn Ballroom looks so good. But I really can't enjoy it despite that I want to. It has too many of these typical shounen moments and plot points I can't stand.
Anonymous1399684
Omae wa mou shindeiru
Lenlo
Mononoke is actually what made me find Ayakashi. Also a good show.
SuperMario
Regarding Ayakashi, I only watched the Mononoke segment
SuperMario
"It was a long, long trip, and we're coming finally to the end of the journey. Thank you, Manoyama and Chupacabra. And thank you, 5 EURO" - Sandal-san.
Lenlo
Ayakashi was great for me Kaiser. I enjoyed my time with it
Vonter212
@AidanAK47 - The hard aspect has been commented in several reviews with bosses being able to easily kill you. (Although in my experience it might be just getting a pattern). In terms of length most 2D games can be beaten under 3 hours. This one seems to clock at at least 6 to 15 if you want to collect everything. Then again, we'll see in subsequent playthroughs.
AidanAK47
`@Vonter. It's out now but I don't remember seeing anyone claim it's the longest hardest entry 2D wise.
Kaiser-Eoghan
Going to watch new dominion tank police next and read violence action and Oddman 11.
Kaiser-Eoghan
It took me years to get round to it, but I finally watched Ayakashi and as expected like most anthologies, again its mixed, the first is a solid ghost story that improves after a weak start, but that third one with the cat spirit was great, really liked how experimental that looked.
Vonter
Soo a new Metroid comes out this week. It is said, it's the longest, hardest entry in regards to the 2D iterations. Still not as great as Super, and depending on your fanaticism it might or not be as good as Zero Mission.
SuperMario
But they didn't pull that scene off too well. It's just... unmemorable. In fact the whole show is very unremarkable. Now only 1 episode left I might as well finish it but I won't give it a full review
SuperMario
Koi to Uso has been disappointing so far. Episode 10 featured the sequence that i was looking forward the most in the manga: the former classmate tells the one sided crush of the main girl from her POV. For a romance that contrived and manipulated like this one, hearing this from the third person's perspective prove to be more powerful
Vonter
@HelghastKillzone - Good luck with that. I almost had my car's engine damaged since it has been raining heavily where I live. Had to ask for help the next day to pull it out of mud. Still not as bad as the other three cars that did get stuck in the water.
HelghastKillzone
Dealing with work and the total loss of my car really sucks at the moment so I'm quite tied up for this week.
KTravlos
I do agree to a point, but to be frank all the episodes of Princess Principal to date have been so solid I have a hard time deciding. Episode 5 though was still the best from a holistic point (action, direction, music etc) was the one introducing Chise
SuperMario
Agree. Dorothy has the biggest heart out of all the spy girls. Also "help" that her episodes are all melodramatic.
Amagi
This episode of PrinPrin showed again that Dorothy is the best character by far. Not just herself but her episodes as well are better written than the rest if you ask me.
KTravlos
It just hit me. The characters in Princess Principal may be very well working for IngSoc :p
AidanAK47
@Kaiser, in the seven chapters it's only really two of them that contain dark shocking content. Chapter three being the biggest one in that regard.
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Aidan: I read a comment where someone said subahibi shocked them more than saya no uta. While I haven't played it yet, I have seen some of a letsplay...it lleft me thinking....how many hours until this actually gets good/truly unhinged .
AidanAK47
After Reading SubaHibi, Made in Abyss's dark turn didn't shock me too much. Maybe I just got desensitised. I will have a review of SubaHibi hopefully up in a week though to clarify my feelings on it after just finishing it, It was interesting but disappointing.
KTravlos
well, well. Both Made in the Abyss and Virgin Soul do not hold back. Grim! RE:Creators is warping up. Comparing with these other shows I can fully appreciate the problems people have with it. But still I am glad I am sticking to the end. Altair's voice actor by the way did great.
AidanAK47
@Helghast, And Kings Field was the Demon Souls before Demon Souls came out.
KTravlos
having binge watched several of this season's shows I would say Princess Principal is the most rounded. Made in Abyss is good. Kakegurui and The Reflection as SuperMario said will depend on your tastes. There is also Shouko no Altair. You will like it if you liked Tanya Saga of Evil, or Legend of Galactic Heroes, or Arslan Senki or manga like Vinland Saga, Gunka no Baltzar, and especially Historie
Anonymous1385641
Jesus...me watching this weeks Made in Abyss https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ogzsWhZcmM
HelghastKillzone
So... Demon Souls was the Dark Souls before Dark Souls came out.
SuperMario
@anon1385426: the safest bets aside from Made in Abyss are Welcome to the Ballroom and Princess Principal. Kakegurui and the Refection are for more acqurired taste
Anonymous1385426
Aside from Made in Abyss, what's the best anime this season?
Lenlo
@KT, the pacing and the framerate early on are my two biggest issues. Later on the story starts to get abit more engaging, and they start doin things I didnt expect, but the pacing is still there. Some akward pauses.
Lenlo
Look, Berserk and Dark Souls are both amazing. But I only have 3 Dark Souls games, and 38 Berserk volumes. Im clearly biased
KTravlos
I sat down and watched the first 4 episodes of The Reflection. It is an interesting attempt, and I can see the people making it having fun doing so. But I did notice a pacing issue. For some reason the episodes felt like they dragged a bit too long.
AidanAK47
Dark Souls is the Berserk of Video Games.
Amagi
Dark Souls really went all Berserk if you ask me
AidanAK47
I am not one for putting down law but can we never ever compare anything to Dark Souls ever again? Cause it's actually become really tiresome how everything is the dark souls of something.
Lenlo
No other sentence has made me want to watch Made in Abyss more
HelghastKillzone
I guess we're finally at the point where Made in Abyss goes all Dark Souls/Bloodborne.
Amagi
Apo's Jack the Ripper had at least a nice idea behind it, it's just the clothes that are a bad choice. But there are just too many lolis for the sake of fanservice in that game. I accept it if there is at least a reason for this but it's usually just random.
Amagi
@Aidan: Same here. I was never a fan of genderbendings and turning historical people into lolis. The first one I can accept with people like Arthuria because it added a lot to her character, but most of them are just plain and generic. I just see no reason why pirates, grown up men or Blavatsky would ever appear as little girls. Especially since popular beliefs should influence their appearance.
SuperMario
On Altair, one commenter did an excellent job of poiting out the appeal of that show; and frankly the show is wearing on me now.
SuperMario
@Travlos: I'm glad you enjoy Princess Principal. I'm quite surprised myself that in the latter half the show slowed its pace down which mean the focus is switched from action to more characters interactions; which I greatly enjoy
KTravlos
Well I binge watched Princess Principal. That is a very good show. I was surprised. Good animation, good music, the art is good, hell I even did not mind the protagonist art. But what I really like is the stories. All the episode were pretty solid and interesting.
AidanAK47
Just won a fight by the skin of my teeth thanks to my Lancer, Cu Chulainn. You the man Cu!
AidanAK47
@Amagi, Been playing Grand Order myself. It's rather fun. There are some good original character in it but I notice with Quantity certain figures designs were pretty terrible. I thought Assassins of black was the worst but some Grand Order servents manage to top it in terrible. Why all the bikini's?
Amagi
Fate/GO has quite some interesting original characters there. Wish we'd see them in some actual manga or anime series with more backstory someday. - I also like that we finally have an overpowered, interesting and competent Hassan with King Hassan for once. His design is metal AF too.
KTravlos
Binge watched Altair. The pacing of the show is a problem, but in general the raw material is good. Altair is sympathetic, and the world is interesting. But I do feel this is the kind of show that would had gained by a Monster or LOGH type treatment. Also, man it is scary how accurate they got some of the traits of Greeks (Phoenicians in the show). I am a Greek, I should know! :p
KTravlos
forgot to mention. I saw the 91 Days special. Three side stories that give some depth to the events in the main anime, but nothing that goes beyond it's end. Still they were in general ok to good.
SuperWooper
It's got Jude Law playing "this kind of huge robot butler called Charles, who is also a rocket ship." What could possibly go wrong?
AidanAK47
Anime with Jaden Smith? Um..I don't know about this.
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