Posted by psgels on 13 June 2013 with categories: Gargantia on the Verdurous Planet

Aah, the build-up. The thing is, this episode on its own was really good. Here you can really see that Urobuchi Gen wrote this, in the cold way he analyzes his settings, and he really has a character who is as objective as possible, setting aside any personal bias you might have. That part on its own ws really well written.

Gen loves to use this cold, realistic and objective character on one side, and a naive (but not stereotypically naive) character on the other. The fact that this character is not stereotypically naive is important: this prevents cheese. Ledo went from this cold-hearted guy to someone with a lot of empathy. The thing is that I have trouble buying that he changed so radically. He was very well able to think rationally: the fact remains that the Hideazu have threatened the existence of humankind. I can understand that he would feel conflicted about killing humans, but he didn’t even try to consider both options. That was a missed opportunity I feel.

I believe that Gargantia would have been best if it was about a season and a half long. As weird as it sounds, the creators should have had more episodes like number 6 and 7, dedicated to explain exactly why the characters in this series changed, the way they did. Right now the character-development is great, but a bit out of left field. Pinion for example: he was this normal guy until last episode suddenly revealed that he has this big trauma with his lost brother, and now suddenly he’s leading his own ship that takes over pirate ships and… stuff. Note though: these are nitpicks. Overall I like this series a lot.
Rating: 5/8 (Great)

17 Responses

  1. kero says:

    seven was good, but six was yeurgh.

    I agree that they should have explored some more of the underlying motivations of the characters and a more gradual development of the characters, or at least sewn in elements a bit earlier to bring that into fruition. Pinion’s about suddenly escalation into power crazy money grubber was a bit too much.

    The best I’ve seen something like that done was probably Gungrave.

    The story writing for Gargantia feels adhoc.

    Even the girl, and the other two girls, the one with the porn name Melty, and the other that I can’t remember, how do they figure aside from being fanbait?

    I think if I was to write it, I would have gone down the route of showing how ‘humanity’or galactic alliance whatnot was very shitty and up to lots of nasty deeds, and that hideazu complemented earth nature better, and so he’d question was it right to continue fighting for what was immoral.

    I’d make the girl salvager lady more competent, and add a hint of darkness to Pinion earlier, get rid of the girls, and replace them with hotboys (at least that’s fanbait I can enjoy ;p)

    I’d also make the young sick boy smarter, and work it somehow that they’re on the boats that run out to forage, perhaps have some connection between him and Pinion (love of engineering etc, reminder of sibling relationships with dead brother, could work)

    I’d probably have to kill young boy, or pinion or both for emotional impact at some point.

    mm, that’s all I’ve got so far. + More kick ass robot battles of course.
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    looking forward to seeing what happens now there’s a second big robot

  2. Mazz says:

    I have to disagree with you about Ledo. I was discussing this episode A LOT on the crunchyroll forums and I have to say I find his reactions justified. If you put his reaction like this I think it makes more sense. Ledo has just found out that there are both good and bad humans in the world. Gargantia is good, pirates arent. The way the GA is run makes me feel as if there probably arent many bad people, and if there are, they would die pretty fast. Now he is figuring out that like humans (who they originate from), there are both good and bad hideauze. The space ones are presumable bad (assuming they threaten humanity like chamber says. Although I’d take any dialogue from chamber with a grain of salt) and there are good hideauze (earth/sea hideauze). He feels guilty for killing all those innocent hideauze, and the fact that he was lied to was just icing on the cake. I feel it’s less about their humanity and more about the fact he just slaughtered some babies. Otherwise I agree with you.

    Oh and thank you for not saying “how are they gonna end this series in 3 episodes.” Many people were complaining about that which I find dumb since 3 episodes is like 20% of the show.

    • psgels psgels says:

      Really, they’re saying that about this series, of all things? I actually think that it can get a pretty good ending if it plays its cards right.

  3. TheUltimateReaper says:

    This episode was good. I’m not vastly impressed, but its starting to look like Gargantia is solid.

  4. iz4n4gi says:

    Actually the trauma of his long lost brother was revealed in a previous episode when Bebel played the flute while his brother was shipped off in a pod.

    The Moral conflict about the Hideauze is not actually about whether or not they are good or bad. Wars blur the line and when they go on for centuries one often forgets why the blood feud even started. The actual Moral conflict is about why the Alliance forces justify the war in the first place; the Hideauze are said to be inferior species / abberation when actually they are the bio-technical advancement of the human species. Chamber’s justification itself is also null–the Hideauze on earth get along with the humans just fine, as long as they stay out of each other’s way. The Verderous planet itself is the utopian term in which human survival is not reduced to mere technological progress and constant war, and where evolution is possible without a sort of crude social darwinism. The contradiction is the ideologies that separate the common humanity that belongs to both the GA and the Hideauze.

    • Nyangoro says:

      Pretty much. It’s a conflict of realities. The GA and the Hideauze is very clearly a continuation of the war begun by the “ancient” human civilization. The two sides in that scenario simply don’t know how to live together, because their mindsets are so radically different that the feel coexistence is impossible. They felt that this fundamental difference would become a hindrance to both sides (which it was, based on the footage).

      Meanwhile, on Earth, the two sides grew up in their own realms. One occupying “land,” and the other occupying water. This allowed them to live separate from each other, making way for cohabitation. So long as they left well enough alone, they didn’t need to disturb the other.

      This series has always been about conflicting worldviews, and it just comes to a head here.

      I do understand the character development issue though. Granted, I do think that their motivation is easily inferred, but the fact remains that it still has to be inferred. Whether or not the amount needed to be inferred is too much depends on the individual, but I can easily see where that’s coming from. Personally, I think Pinion’s actions are based around the idea of legacy. He and his brother were set up to unearth amazing treasure. Revenge was only part of it. This was his and his brother’s great finding, and he wanted that knowledge to last. Hence, his seemingly power-hungry appearance here.

  5. Arno says:

    Wow, what a disappointment.

    First, the sudden transformation of cheerful Pinion into overlord of the seas was unsettling.

    It was also accompanied by the moralizing disapproval of Gargantia about the fact that he mastered the pirates. Again. They really love their pirates.

    Second, the robot proved Ledo wrong, in a very simple way that Ledo should have inferred himself :

    – Hideauze are not humans but another species

    – Hideauze are unavoidable enemies

    With that and the way his dismay was directed, completely over the top, Ledo’s character regressed into a wimpy 5 year old kid. Chambers was basically telling him “shut up and listen, kid”.

    And then they brought back the fetus-looking crying baby hideauze again. Although it is biologically very unlikely, and although admitting they are not human.

    And the show was full of a feeling of moral disapproval, although they were showing that humankind immediately benefited from killing the hideauze. Scavenging the bottom of the sea is not an immoral luxury for them, its the survival of their civilization.

    It’s ok to have a show that says “don’t kill and seek peaceful coexistence”. But then you should not show those who are killed as irreconcilable enemies of humankind, and their killing immediately bringing a huge benefit for civilization.

    • Mazz says:

      So far all we know that they found are a bunch of weapons of mass destruction. Sure helpful to the survival of the human race.

      I wouldn’t say the Hideauze are enemies of humankind. At least, not ALL hideauze are enemies of humankind. The ones in space? Sure. But the ones on Earth are innocent. Ledo’s problem is that he just killed a bunch of innocent creatures. Chamber makes it out as if all Hideauze are bad, which isn’t the case. They didn’t NEED to kill the Hideauze to survive, and we can’t say the WMD’s will benefit anyone yet. And I’ll bet there was a reason the Hideauze took over that base. They aren’t stupid, after all, humans are their ancestors. That last part is speculation for now, so we’ll have to wait and see. You bring up some good points that need answering.

    • jzar says:

      yeah, Ledo reminded me of another whinny kid….Shinji Ikari, who I didn’t like then.

  6. Sywen says:

    a lot seem to miss some crucial facts

    Ledo did not know the Hideauze were intelligent beings. the GA knows this but they hide it from their soldiers.

    He just found out they are intelligent, and he has just been slaughtering innocent babies and females. i think his reactions are quite understandable. killing innocent babies and females is very different then killing soldiers like he did in space or killing criminals, like the pirates. It is explicitly said that Ledo ( and i assume every soldier of the GA) never even saw any nest, let alone females or babies.

  7. Arno says:

    “Innocent babies” is the most disappointing of it all, because 1) it is biologically impossible that they would look like humans as fetuses and then turn into squids, and 2) it’s really a cheap emotional trick.

    As for females, it is a bit anachronistic in 2013 to talk of females as militarily innocent. In this series the adult human females are not shown as innocent, and the female hideauze are not human anyway. Objectively, the destruction of baby and female hideauze will help human babies and females.

    They tried to further develop a feeling of doom and gloom by making them find canons as their first scavenging results, but they also showed that those canons were used immediately to defeat pirates. It is not mass destruction weapons, it is target weapons, and it solved their number one problem.

    Also, even on earth the hideauze were always a latent threat, and were aggressively preventing humans to access critical resources. And they were NOT humans. The little squirrel with the girl is genetically closer to humans then the hideauze are.

    • jonas says:

      Lets imagine they are like gorillas (animals that kind of look like humans). Would you not feel bad about killing a shit ton of them just because they are in the way?

      Even if Ledo is a soldier, he is not a psychopath, of course he is going to feel bad about killing non-combatant creatures.

      Ledo is experiencing what Metal Gear calls “Combat High”:

      “Due to large quantities of adrenaline released during combat, the body enters a state of intoxication. In this state, the combatant’s sense of guilt fades.

      When the combatant recovers from a combat high, he may suddenly be stricken by feelings of remorse”.

      • Taara535 says:

        jonas has it right here. It shouldn’t even matter if they are humans are not. The fact is, as the video shows, they are intelligent. One cannot justify the slaughtering of intelligent animals (or formerly humans). It would be like someone rooting for the destruction of baby dolphins (and furthermore we have distinct evidence that in this universe the Earth Hideauze – fairly harmless – are much more intelligent than dolphins).

  8. Arno says:

    To be more precise, fetuses showing limbs different in nature from their future adult shape would be possible if it was a metamorphosis species. Like frogs or butterflies. But neither humans nor squids are metamorphosis species.

    It is even stranger when you consider that there are two metamorphosis here, since we have seen three stages of development of hideauze :

    – fetus crying like a born baby

    – mute angel-looking child

    – sea monster for Hanna Barbera pirates cartoon

    The two first states seem to exist only to show it is so wrong to kill them.

    Chambers also says that that species has developed an exoskeleton, and to illustrate that mollusks with shells are shown. But he hideauze are never shown with a shell, or if that is an exoskeleton, it is so flexible that it must have reduced the human bones to jelly.

    It is not explained either how multiple eyes can grow on the limbs of a squid instead of the head, without being destroyed all the time. Except maybe to show hints of human intelligence in something that cannot look human.

    But yeah, even without thinking about all that, when you see for the second time the face of the guy inside the butt/mouth of the squid, you can begin to wonder if this show is serious.

    • kero says:

      agree. making the hideazu foetus look human was a cheap trick to garner a emotive response that was needed to provide impetus for the plotline of Ledo feeling conflicted.

      I would have been more full of admiration if they could have arrived at Ledo feeling emotional if they had done it without what were essentially crying human babies being squished to death. I found it a turn off.

  9. jonas says:

    This episode is basically Twilight of the Idols. Pinion´s attitude has become more arrogant, because Ledo proved that there are no gods, that the whale squids were just animals, something that he had suspected before, due to the death of his brother (he has gone from a “Good/bad” based morality, to a “strong/weak” based one, like Chamber).

  10. ServantOfPriss says:

    A little too late, sadly. This should’ve happened four or three episodes ago. Nothing impressive, if you ask me.

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Teen Titans hasn't aged very well, but one thing I still do like about it is how contained and local the setting and cast were for the first half of that show. When godly superpowers are involved, that appeals to me. Much of the same reason why I like Logan and Raimi's Spiderman so much.
Kaiser-Eoghan
Very rarely watched teen titans when I was younger, I was vaguely interested in slade, stopped watching around when Terra appeared. I actively avoided comics where Damien appeared, never liked that Talia x Batman pairing much, I can only imagine how much worse it is to listen to Damien than read him.
K-Off
@Aidan, I like some aspects of those movies, but I'm not a big fan of the new continuity and art style in general...and yeah it doesn't help that Damian is irredeemably unlikable.
AidanAK47
@K-Off, There is also the DC animated Teen Titans movies like Teen Titans vs Justice Leage and Teen titans the Judus contract. Though it's not the same as the the TV series and Damian is such a dick.
K-Off
@Anon I don't think Teen Titans needs another season. The last season wasn't that good, but the movie ended the series on a high note and Young Justice pretty much rebooted everything, at least in terms of replacing people's want for a more mature DC cartoon about the Titans.
K-Off
Yeah it's become more of a hassel (for myself and my friends) to set aside time to go to a theater.
SuperMario
I guess in the end it all comes down to how easily it reaches the viewers. Give us a hard time and we don't give a damn to check the new movie/show out
SuperMario
... otherwise have to wait for a year, even more before it reaches Australia. But many companies will raise in the wake of Netflix and that will be where problems arise
SuperMario
This trend isn't happening within the anime industry, but it's happening in the movie world as well. In the past 2 years, Netflix starts to exclusively distribute many films, meaning that they won't have theatrical release, but straight to Video on Demand which caused quite a stir in the industry. Personally, I actually don't have much problem with it as now I will get a chance to see a film that
SuperMario
Dive!! , a series that will air next season on noitaminA slot will stream exclusively on Amazon Prime Video. Not that I'm eagerly looking forward to Dive, but that news again makes me frustrated. No one will watch it and then all the hypes it might have will die down eventually.
Anonymous1105394
Considering I didn't even expect a season 5 it's more than I could've evr wanted. Now if only if only Teen Titans could get the same chance.
Lenlo
Oh yeah, it turned out well. Didnt mean to say it didnt.
AidanAK47
@Lenlo, Considering that the ratio of great to alright episodes is 8 to 2 I say that it turned out pretty well.
Lenlo
I have to say, the Samurai Jack season started stronger than it ended imo
AidanAK47
So this is how Samurai Jack ends. 16 years in the making. Honestly considering how much needed to get wrapped up I knew the ending would be a bit flawed. Really think Gen should have givin it one more episode to flesh out the ending and then it wouldn't feel so rushed. Overall despite it's flaws, it's a decent ending. Not prefect by any means but it will do the job.
Kaiser-Eoghan
Lol theres a surprise, seriously, Black Lagoons manga is updating again.
KTravlos
worst recap ever for me? Gangsta. That was a stupid recap episode. Really like a Public Announcement. Useless, stupid, and ruining atmosphere. Utter stupidity. There I got it our of me :p
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Masky: Unfortunately too far behind in the sequel manga to catch up, I did take a look at THAT in the latest chapter though.
Masky
Huh, for some reason thought Tokyo Ghoul was under shonen when its seinen. Welp now that makes more sense, I was thinking story about cannibalism would be kinda absurd for shonen.
Spike
They serve no purpose except to fill airtime when production gets fucked up. They have 2 bad choices - run a recap or run an unfinished episode. Recap is generally the less dogshit choice. I've seen a few anime that ran the episodes with unfinished animations and still frames.... the backlash was about 100x what a recap is.
SuperMario
I'm about to say that to you as well Kaiser, maybe watch the recap and then continue on. The only thing I kind of take from the recap episode is the editting: how they chop off the fat of 6 episodes to still give you important developments. But as a way to catch up/ to reintroduce the series, it's freaking useless
Anonymous1104087
I don't think anyone should start from the recap episode. Unless there was a long hiatus, a recap in between episodes is unnecessary for new viewers and old
Lenlo
I mean, aside from whatever happens with Mugaro.
Lenlo
Next episode seems early, out of 24 episodes, for Nina to learn the Prince is Chris, yet that seems to be what the confrontation is leading towards, and then she freaks out and he learns shes the dragon. Becomes the conflict for the rest of the season?
Lenlo
Seems I was right, Azazel didnt predict that Nina might not be so easily riled up as she once was. To bad so sad Azazel, she has someone she loves now.
Kaiser-Eoghan
How useful are these recap episodes anyway/actually? Hypothetically lets say I was feeling lazy and decided to watch tsuki ga kirei starting from the recap episode.
Kaiser-Eoghan
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Lenlo
So long as there are consequences for how hes acting, then I am ok with it. I just dont want him to turn into some MC hero when hes acting like this.
AidanAK47
And in Re:Creators Sota is still being a goddamn pussy. Now that the exposition has gone down I am really starting to hate this kid.
SuperMario
It's the presentation that they differ. Ghost Hound focuses more on the atmosphere, so those details I mentioned before work for their benefits; whereas Sagrada Reset focus on plots (and confusing themes) so those stick out like sore thumb.
SuperMario
4 episodes into Ghost Hound so far. This show also reminds me a bit of Sagrada Reset this season- the way they both emotional distant, complex plots; keep viewers away at arm's length, and feature characters that have robotic facial expressions. Yet I enjoyed Ghost Hound so far and couldn't engage in Sagrada Reset at all.
SuperMario
@Spike: I was like... "tsuki ga kirei has a recap episode, so let's move on to Kado"... another recap. Tsuki ga kirei I'm not too worry as it confirmed that it'll have 12 episodes, but I'm not confident on Kado
SuperMario
@lenlo: in a sense you have to suffer it all alone. No worries thou as I intend to binge watch it when this season's over
Spike
Kado team crumbled under the pressure. Recap this week.
Lenlo
@SuperMario, im happy I dont have to compete with anyone to cover Berserk :P Got it all to myself to whine about, though its been ever so slowly improving.
Anonymous1100725
Ranka is ranka in any verse.
Anonymous1100725
Bahmut no spoilers. Ranka Lee. She just doesn't get it so everyone dies. As she stands around wondering.
SuperMario
In fact, Okja will play in the Sydney film festival next month, but seeing that it will stream in Netflix at the end of June I think it's best to wait until then
SuperMario
@Kaiser: great, I'm super hyped to watch Okja. Always enjoy Boon's movies. The critic's reviews from Cannes on Okja should come up soon I believe.
SuperMario
@Kaiser: I watched Lain many times over as well but I'm sure that I didn't pick up everything. That show required multiple-viewing anyways.
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Mario: Good news, netflix will stream Okja at the end of this June.
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Mario: Its not often that I rewatch things, but years ago I've seen Lain at least three times, its also one of those few anime series where I felt to look up deeper analysis into it. It had a tremendous atmosphere and was ahead of its time.
SuperMario
@Kaiser: watching Ghost Hound made me want to revisit Serial Experiment Lain and give my episodic thoughts on that. Not gonna happen soon as I have my hand full right now but I swear I'll get to that one day.
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Mario: I actually am planning to rewatch ghost hound soon, so I'll give you my new thoughts on it then.
Kaiser-Eoghan
I always avoided Altair mostly based on it being a shounen action series. Kakeguruis premise involves gambling games, which I don't find interesting.
KTravlos
Kakegurui is on my list. I thought it would be crap (terrible setting etc), but the manga won me over. Princess Principal will be given a chance, so will Shoukouko no Altair.and perhaps Reflection. We shall see. Also Twilight Axis Gundam, as I love the manga team.
AidanAK47
@Anon, Recap episodes exist because of production troubles. Sometimes shit happens when you make an anime.
You are being a bit overally argressive but I do agree with the statement that Ntr is pathetic power fantasy. It really is.
Anonymous1099236
Ntr is a pathetic power fantasy for pathetic people
Anonymous1099236
Why the hell do recap episodes exist. Do they think we're that autistic
SuperMario
I honestly don't even what NTR is so I had to look it up. Interesting
SuperMario
Just a quick remaider that Tsuki ga Kirei has a recap episode this week. And yep, after watching this week's Sakura Quest I think I'm gonna stick with it
SuperMario
Flipping through the list, I'm also pretty know what I'm interested in, most of them are original anime, which is a plus
SuperMario
@Aidan: I'm still amazed that us never have to fight over covering shows, except for that one time with Flip Flappers. Always thought that crappy tastes are the same
Kaiser-Eoghan
*Those two comments were refering to NTR trap
Kaiser-Eoghan
I would really genuinely like to see some of these smut manga actually functionally use fanservice and romantic sex scenes rather than just cheap titilattion
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Aidan: Poorly done ragey drama with bad comedy bits , I've reached a point with it where I no longer want my time wasted by it.
AidanAK47
@Mario, I admit to having passing interest in Princess Principal but not enough to fight you over it.
And Tsurezure Children is actually really really good. Really fluffy love stories with great comedy.
SuperMario
haha, even me who love slice-of-life won't fall for Tsurezure Children
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