Posted by psgels on 18 June 2013 with categories: Spring 2013 Kaleidoscope

#1: Yahari Blahblah – 09: The main character’s pessimism: I’m really surprised at how well that has been done in this series. It really has depth: he’s not just wise-cracking his way through the series, nor is he wallowing in self-pity. He is who he is, and he is happy that way, even though his life could be so much more fun if he didn’t think the way he did and he wasn’t so cautious in avoiding disappointments. And even that part gets developed in this episode. This is the first light-novel adaptation with a stupidly long title that I actually liked, but even then this has exceeded my expectations.

#2: Majestic Prince – 09: The plot in this series is nothing special. The characters still show off their clichés. The villains are boring, the setting is standard. Yet why do I like this? Why do I find the characters so enjoyable to watch? Why do I find their quirks funny? What’s going on here?

#3: Hunter X Hunter – 83: What I really like about the Chimera Ant Arc is how well it explores the ants themselves, and how they gradually learn from their mistakes. They’re smart… for ants. That unfortunately is also why I don’t yet consider this to be the best arc of the series so far. At this point the ants have nothing on the Spider Troupe yet and the fights still are boring. Will that change or not?

Wtf of the week:

Yondemasuyo, Azazel-San Z – 09 & 10: What on earth did I just watch? What was that? Why, Japan? Why!?!

Worst episode

Valvrave the Liberator 10: Oh boy. I’d like to talk a bit about the series from the “Code Geass”-school, or to be more accurate: the products of Ichiro Okouchi and Hiroyuki Yoshino, because I’m deeply concerned with what these two are doing. Hiroyuki Yoshino may not be involved in Valvrave, but the general trend is definitely visible. The two of them are prolific writers who get assigned to do the series composition of a lot of high-profile original anime, yet their philosophy favors sensationalism over everything else: they write series with shock value in mind, while at the same time having storylines that don’t even bother hiding that they’re ridiculous.

I say that it comes from the Code Geass-school, but I believe that this started with Mai Hime and Mai Otome. Mai Hime was actually a very good series that actually did a very good job at shock twists, but something happened in the transition to Mai Otome, which started to sacrifice good storytelling and likable characters for said shock twists (really, what happened there just did not make any sense!). Ever since that point, our lovely duo proceeded to write original scripts that just threw in shocks for the sake of having shocks, even though they are either really convenient, or just didn’t make any sense at all (and before this point they didn’t do that: these are the guys who wrote Planetes, Overman King Gainer, the adaptation for Angelic Layer) and indeed Mai Hime. A downside is that they use that to also drag down some really good directors in the process: Tetsurou Araki, Goro Taniguchi, Matsuou Kou, even Shoji Kawamori (in a less noticeable way though, probably thanks to Shoji’s ego). They’re all brilliant directors, but none of that brilliance shined through when they had to work with these guys.

So yeah, the rape. Let’s just say that I disagree with how it was used here. Valvrave is supposed to be this fun over the top and crazy series. With this, you just made it way too serious. I understand that they wanted to show that Valvrave can turn people into monsters. But don’t try to combine that with a student council election. That’s very bad use of irony, not to mention that I find that it looks very much down on rape and rape victims. With this episode this series also really started to take itself seriously. Why? Also, I glimpsed at a few of the reactions people had after this episode. And god. It’s times like these where I want to disassociate myself from the anime fandom…

48 Responses

  1. C says:

    Episode 84 of Hunter is were the ant arc really starts to get going with the introduction the series most popular villain.

  2. Qate says:

    They are smart because they are huma-, no, former humans.

  3. WatcherZero says:

    Interesting, my reaction was its done a Geass too. I really started hating Geass from that shock moment before the end of the first series, interestingly produced a totally different response to the twist of Death Note where I just thought they wasted a good charachter and replaced him with a bland one.

  4. jonas says:

    I don´t think that was meant to be a rape. It´s closer to the soap opera trope, of guy gets way too drunk (or rufied), and has sex with the rival girl.

    • Lirael says:

      Actually even if you think Saki wasn’t raped (debatable, but she thought him and gave up, thinking she deserved it for being cursed and to me that’s not her wanting to have sex, so she was raped) HARUTO was raped. He was completely forced into it by the mecha, so it’s hardly soap opera and more rape.

      I’m scared they’re going to make Saki pregnant.

      • jonas says:

        I agree it´s rape. But what I´m saying is that in soap operas (and porn), this type of rape is not always treated as rape by the characters themselves, but as a weird kind of evil sex (and it usually involves the hero and the love rival), just used to create romantic drama.

        We´ve seen Saki in the future and she seems well-adjusted.

        • Lirael says:

          Ah, I see. Yeah, I can imagine Haruto feeling extreme guilt for what he did (even though it wasn’t really him) but Saki being fine so long as he pays more attention to her. Worse, I have read some potential spoiler that -if true- meant really what happens, dammit.

          That was 200 years later. Enough time to go through child rearing and extensive therapy . Not that she’ll need any, knowing how anime works, ugh

    • Scruffy says:

      It’s this type of shit response that really pisses me off. I have a friend who was date raped and it screwed her up completly. She never reported it and had to work with the asshole afterwards.

      Let’s be clear .. not resisting DOES NOT mean you are giving consent. Liking someone, or even being married to someone DOES NOT mean you have automatically given consent.

      • Scruffy says:

        There is a really good one shot manga that deals with date rape and also the phenomenon of ‘second rape’. IMHO it should be compulsory reading.

        http://mangafox.me/manga/kakene_nashi_no_love_torihiki/v01/c005/1.html

        • Ebisu says:

          That was an interesting read, thanks for the link.
          Though in the case of Valvrave, I also considered Haruto a victim because he was being forced to assault someone against his will. It was a sad act were both were victims. I cannot say too if Saki gave her consent or not, as she was actually being forced to it.

      • jonas says:

        I said that in the context of the show (sex as dramatic tension, without exploring the real damage of the rape). Not in real life.

        Have you ever heard that Robin (from Batman) was raped by a heroine called Tarantula?

        Devin Grayson explains the relationship between Robin and Tarantula like this:

        “She has a crush on him and she loves the idea of being a partner or even sidekick to him. The problem is, she doesn’t know him well enough to realize how shell-shocked he is right now, and she’s sort of misinterpreting his current emotional haze for actual approval of and general compliance with her will.

        She knows he’s still in love with Barbara and that he’s a bad bet for her romantically over the long haul, but she’s determined to keep him around as long as she can. And in that wish, at least, I think we can sympathize with her”.

        Then the interviewer tells her that male rape is a very unusual subject for comics, and she says:

        “For the record, I’ve never used the word “rape,” I just said it was nonconsensual (I know, aren’t writers frustrating? *smiles*), but I think Nightwing is suited to cover any topic rooted in human behavior.

        I think sometimes it’s more rewarding to put them in emotional or social peril of one kind or another, situations which challenge them as people as well as as superheroes”.

        The writer didn´t meant for that scene to be interpreted as rape. In her mind it was just a way to build up a romantic triangle.

        Sorry about your friend.

      • ServantOfPriss says:

        Anime fans these days tend to say shit like that. Don’t bother nor mind them.

  5. Lumiere says:

    Hunter X Hunter: “The fights still are boring”. No review for episode 82; not a single word. Episode 82 had boring fights?? lol

  6. Rararame says:

    Valvrave still has better writing than EVOL. And Araki is not a good director at all.

    • Deadlights says:

      I’m calling you at for that. Aquarion Evol is far, FAR more well-written show than Valvrave

      • Rararame says:

        Storyline: They just seem to forget what happened in earlier episodes. Best example: “Oh, Zessica, you’re alive!”

        The main heroine gets a disproportionate amount of attention and importance that not even Amata, the fucking MC, gets. She’s central to a story she doesn’t contribute absolutely nothing to. By making everything about her and not developing her character in a positive way it drags an unnecessarily stupid and long love triangle that makes every fucking episode psychically painful to watch.

        Side characters gets more development than main ones. Some of the main character (special mention to Zessica) doesn’t even have a backstory to round their character.

        They have no clue of what they’re doing, characters suddenly act to the plot demands regardless of the way they were established in the beginning. Special mention: Pod!Kagura.

        The villain is stupidly overpowered. He can do anything he wants, he has no obstacles. If he was so pissed off he could have killed everyone in a single blow if he wanted to.

        Drama and portrayal of relationship is stupid as fuck. Obviously if the girl you like wets her panties for a hunk you must scream her name a thousand times and crawl on the floor so she’ll notice you! Also, never do anything to earn someone’s trust and affection, everyone will love you regardless of how stupid your actions are, that always works! And if you have green hair you’re fucked.

        The right way to fight destiny is going along with it. By Amata Sora.

        The dog thing is brought up solely for the justification of the villain’s existence, aside from that it it doesn’t serve any purpose. It makes S1 full of plot holes and nonsensical shit, and makes Apollonius AKA Fudo look like a total asshole.

        If your parents are a piece of shit and abandon you, it’s always your fault. Now get up and clean their mess.

    • Lirael says:

      Evol had a sillier premise, but it was more consistent at its tone and better at delivering it too. So far, VVV goes from serious to ludicrous parts with bad pacing.

      However, I think that VVV characters are more ineteresting and (overall) less annoying than Evol ones.

      • Deadlights says:

        Well, I honestly believe that Evol has better characterized and developed characters. I also love how well delivered the character chemistry is in Evol.

        Also, Evol does have a “stupider” plot, but it actually tries (and succeeds) in telling a genuine story and I can actually take it seriously.

        Valvrave on the other hand…

        I admit it, I did enjoy Valvrave at first when it was just being ridiculous, over the top fun, now it’s tacking on pointless shock and drama. *Cough*Lame!!!*cough*

  7. Flawfinder says:

    Yeah, the reactions are pretty bad and neither the supporters nor defenders are helping. Didn’t help that I just couldn’t summon up any emotion for the scene either. Kind of curious on where the show will go from here, but not enough to continue.

    @Deadlights Hell yeah EVOL is better!

    • Deadlights says:

      Yeah! Union buddies!!!

      *UP HIGH!!!*

      Oh and you think Aku no Hana’s the best show of this season!

      *DOWN L-!!!*

      Oh wait.. you hate Yahari… yeah…

      *Walks away while shaking head disappointingly*

      • Flawfinder says:

        I don’t recall saying I hated it. Not caring about something isn’t the same thing as hating it.

        And Andy W Hol and Shrade are far more charismatic characters than anything Valvrave could throw out.

  8. Obvious Dude says:

    Yahari is gonna get keep getting better :P

  9. zerm says:

    @psgels

    The Chimera Ant arc is at it’s slow stage. The plot changes drastically after the exposition ends.

  10. sonicsenryaku says:

    Rape is bad; I think everyone agrees with that, but why do most people get bent out of shape when rape is used in a story-telling medium? It’s reactions like this that make it hard for story-tellers to try to tell a real story dealing with dark matters that happen in our world everyday..it really is a shame. I personally think the right thing to do is wait to see how valvare handles what happened in its most recent episode(whether you think it was rape or not) before shooting the gun that the ending scene was done in bad taste or that it has no place in the show; i mean i think it was obvious that this show would get serious eventually even if it doesnt follow logic.

  11. Ender says:

    psgels. The Ant arc is the best arc of HxH, even better than the spider arc. In the next episode or two its going to start kicking into gear. It really is the best though, the author pretty much turns shounen tropes on their heads.

  12. Tomtom says:

    The chimera ant arc is probably my all-time favourite manga storyline. Towards the end of the story it just reaches balls-to-the-walls tears-to-my-eyes levels of epic.

    While I’m suprised you basically put the recent episodes away as boring, I would say the plot and the fights will definetly get more intense in the future. It’s also perhaps worth spoilering that the ant arc is by far the longest HxH storyline. About as long as all the previous arcs combined.

  13. Tomtom says:

    I also have to agree with Psgels that there are way too many ‘code-geass copy cats’ these days. Gode geass was imo a good, even an excellent, show but its concept (what you call ‘shock factor’) is not so easy to effectively duplicate. While the characters, art and chaos in Code Geass struck just the right chord with me, I hated basically all of its spiritual successors.
    Have not seen MAi-Hime btw. Basically because the art looks like a show where I would expect a beach episode 3 episodes in. If you say it’s good, I may give it a try someday though.

  14. gedata says:

    I can see why psgels would call the recent battles in HxH boring, they we’re waged with some uninteresting grunt ants rather than the ones that are actual characters.

  15. Ender says:

    “And god. It’s times like these where I want to disassociate myself from the anime fandom…”

    I feel this way at least once a day while browsing some anime forum posts and anime blog comments.

  16. Dr. Pest says:

    But Hentai-kun was awesome! No really, I honestly liked the last three Azazel episodes.
    I totally agree with everything you’ve written regarding Yahari and Valvrave though. Especially the latter one; I feel the same way as you and Ender here.

  17. Rihan says:

    Can’t be rape if she wanted it Nomsayin’?

    >I find that it looks very much down on rape and rape victims

    Lmao, U on dat feminist time?

  18. Wicked says:

    It’s likely the only light-novel adaptation with a stupidly long title that you actually like. To bad to get to the meat of the series, that burn through most of the series, it’s likely couple years before there’s ever a 2nd season, if there is a 2nd season at all

  19. TheUltimateReaper says:

    Yeah Love Come probably surprised me with it’s level of quality and dialogue, there is a lot to appreciate.

    HxH is, just, damn good, is all I can say.

    As for Valvrave, people really are getting bent out of shape. Don’t know why anyone ever thought of it as “fun” it was pretty clear to me what kind of series it was after the initial second or third episode, that being said I’ve found it entertaining, and could care less about these “darker” matters. And as for “fandom” response, psgels you should know better.

    • jonas says:

      It seems people just forgot about the girl that got killed by a stray bullet last episode. That´s Tomino level of dark.

      • TheUltimateReaper says:

        Indeed. Seems like poeple got offended and stopped caring about anything else, but you know I think it’s their own fault. “good fun” was never Valvrave IMO. I always thought of it as “entertaining”

  20. Souther says:

    I’d argue Code Geass was actually much better written than Valvrave, for reasons that go way beyond shock value…but then again I remember this is a post by Psgels, whose review of Code Geass was so incredibly simplistic, heavy-handed and inaccurate that I feel he never even watched the show or at least never paid any amount of attention to it. He’ll never admit that series did anything good and that makes me look down on his qualities as a reviewer.

    But let’s go back to Valvrave. Yes, it’s a very cheap plot device to use rape like that. However, I don’t think it insults rape victims at all.

    For one thing, this specific situation isn’t something that can be replicated in real life. Can you turn somebody into a vampire whose mind is controlled by another entity? If so, then please tell me how. But no, that sort of thing is only possible in fiction. So those who compare this to a real case of rape are being foolish.

    For another, it’s still an act of rape and treated as a bad thing. The person being raped understood that it was the result of a curse, but that doesn’t mean she gave consent. Just stopped resisting it.

    Perhaps the most important point though is that you’re missing the key factor here: the only reason the show is introducing darker material isn’t because it wants to be serious. It’s because you need to raise the stakes in order to change everything for the next season. If you don’t, then nothing will happen and the story will go nowhere. What they did here was crass and tasteless but, again, it was foreshadowed. The use of drama doesn’t mean the series wants you to become absolutely serious about it. If anything, the cruel irony of the student council election shows that the whole thing is a bit farcical all the same.

  21. Neetchama says:

    Psgels, you have to do a post for HxH episode 85.

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rem? who's that?
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The only thing I saw that I truly abhorred though was the new shinkai film.
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Thats a problem with adaptations, put a voice on certain characters and it can become irritating.
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@Aidan: Largely stayed away from that series as I assumed it was for young children.
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@Aidan: Additionally the relationships in that manga got too convoluted, the comedy stands out worse in the anime too. Still though I DO dig the idea behind the show of two kids who are in a fake relationship.
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@Kaiser, you think that's hard to watch try watching Netflix's A series of unfortunate events. Because boy do I want to brutally murder the banker and his family. That may sound severe to you but trust me, you will feel likewise.
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@Aidan: You were right about it being harder to watch scums wish than read it. I want to hit the twin tails girl with a hatchet.
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Hand Shakers, how I love to watch it jumping off the cliff. This show contains lines like "I don't understand... even if I did understand... but I don't understand." It isn't a dialogue that we encounter too often I'm sure.
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@Mario, Sounds good to me. With me covering Little Witch Academia, Saga of Tanya the evil and Rakugo this season is well covered.
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Though to be honest, I don't like procedural(or designed room and then game connects them randomly) games much. I much enjoy hand designed dungeons since I rarely play games through more than once anyway so roguelike's appeal of "Every time you play it through its different!" doesn't appeal to me much and hand designed dungeons are much more memorable
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Can't really comment further on that since I don't know which roguelikes you have played, and neither I have played gungeon so I don't know if its badly designed to the point you can't do anything if rng says so. Though I guess there is nothing wrong about liking luck based games, if roguelike in question is truly unbeatable if rng says so, well, its really badly designed one if you ask me.
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Take my last run. Made it up to the fourth floor. Got plenty of guns but none were really useful. Even then ran out of ammo for all of them and the game was cheap about giving out ammo. Plenty of money but shops with nothing worth buying. Over 5 heart containers but no goddamn health. Died on the boss because I rolled out of a bullet into another bullet. Pretty much unavoidable.
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@Masky, that's the theory but in pretty much every roguelike I played its not the case. If the RNG decides you are going to have a bad time then you are going to have a bad time. Skill can only bring you so far. I have played this game for 7 hours and I know I could have finished it in 2. Only thing stopping me is a dice roll.
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Like, the thing with roguelikes is that they can get easier/harder depending on luck, but well done one should be completable even without any upgrades at all if you are skilled enough.
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Thats not the really case with roguelikes though, unless game design is bad and includes insta kill traps and such that are unavoidable if you are unlucky
AidanAK47
I hate roguelikes. Been playing enter the Gungeon and I just lost all patience with it. Getting real tired of my victory being decided by a RNG. It never feels satisfying to finish a roguelike because I know my victory was determined by pure luck.
AidanAK47
So we got to rely on fansubs for it when it's airing.
AidanAK47
@Mario, Nope. I think because netflix only puts up full seasons they are only planning to put it up when it's finished airing. Or when it's dubbed.
SuperMario
But how does the Netflix thing work? So of I have a Netflix account I can watch the show weekly?
SuperMario
@Aidan: that's a dumb way to do things really because unless you watch the show weekly, everyone gonna forget that it even exist. Just look at Re-Life last year
Lenlo
thought*. Words are hard.

Eventually found the actual first ep though and enjoyed it.
Lenlo
Was funny. I tried to find the first Ep for Little Witch, found original short made afew years ago, watched it and though "This is very similar to the original... Whats new".
AidanAK47
Little witch is one of the best shows this season and yet I can't get subtitles because Netflix doesn't release shows weekly. Motherf*cker.
Lenlo
Ore Monogatari I enjoyed. It was a nice romance that actually explored what happens after the confession. Also the 2 leads are just precious.
Lenlo
Alright but unmemorable seems like a good summation.
SuperMario
@Lenlo: one good thing about Seiren is if you don't like this romance, the whole thing gonna reset after episode 4 so there's a chance that you might end up like it. Agreed that the comedy wasn't very good. Alright but unmemorable
SuperMario
@Topgavin: I watched like first 3 episodes and stopped because I didn't have much time there, but I enjoyed what I saw. A well-written and endearing show in my book
Topgavin
Has anyone here watched Ore Monogatari before? Because in the 4 years I've watched anime, I've never heard of it (I guess it did come out 2 years ago) and yet it's turning out to be one of my favorite shows. Always great going into a show expecting nothing and getting pleasantly surprised.
AidanAK47
Only one more impression to go. Should have it up tomorrow.
Lenlo
Im really not feeling Seiren. Its "comedy" isnt for me and I just dont find it very enjoyable to watch so far. Im curious if it gets any better but 2 episodes in it just isnt that good.
HelghastKillzone
That ending scene is an entire side-story compressed into that. Don't expect anymore of it from here on out as the it sticks to ruthless military/fantasy pretty well.
LookingForKeys
@Topgavin I think it was good, making it the second episode. That way the first set up the world the story will be in, and showed how much of a monster the "little girl" really is right at the end, and then made ep.2 the explanation. Nothing against Tanya trying to rip "God" a new one.
That after-credits scene, though...
SuperMario
Hmm, as much as I like Seiren's omnibus format, it doesn't turn out really hot this second episode. Demi-chan, on the other hand, still maintains its endearing tone. Might blogging Demi-chan instead
Topgavin
Yeah, that second episode was much better than the first. Dunno why they didn't start with that to be honest, waste of an opportunity for a good hook episode. The voice for the main girl still sounds weird to me though; I get it's supposed to sound weird because it symbolizes 'her' being out of place and her personality and body being a mismatch, but it'll certainly take some getting used to.
AidanAK47
Youjo Senki, now we are talking. Like Helghast said, Did the god scene way better than the LN and manga. Made it less comedic and more intimidating.
Lenlo
Oh man that Rakugo intro. Not sure what to think, but first time seeing it I liked it
Kaiser Eoghan
I sort of like good will hunting because I kind of saw a bit of myself in Damon's character when I watched it ages ago.
Kaiser Eoghan
@Mario: Remaking psycho and ruining the shower scene, for shame van sant, for shame.
Kaiser Eoghan
Its easy to ripoff some obscure thing though and get away with it. The dogtooth director essentially stole an old Mexican film to make that.
SuperMario
@Kaiser: yeah, that following some guys from behind like they were on a RPG games, which I think actually fit with the tones of Elephant. I have such mixed feeling with Gus van Sant too. Don't really think he's a great director.
Kaiser Eoghan
@Mario: Although Istvan Szabo is probably a little more well known for that Mephisto film that updates the Faust story. Zoltan Fabri's the fifth seal is a very thought provoking war movie.
Kaiser Eoghan
@Mario: I remember seeing a film documentary that featured Gus van sant in one section, they showed clips of tarrs films, Sant ripped of the cinematography and stole the style from some British short film to make Elephant.
SuperMario
@Kaiser: agree on the other Hungarian filmmakers, I don't know much about them either.
Kaiser Eoghan
@Mario: Scorsese's Silence was a big comeback. I really really emotionally connect with spiritual crisis stories.
SuperMario
@kaiser: yep, definitely check wreckmeister down. Althought I admit that watching his 2-hour plus films will feel like 5-hour anyways
Kaiser Eoghan
@Mario: I'm more tolerant of darker teenage/coming of age films/stories. Les Demons was a big surprise.
Kaiser Eoghan
@Mario: Though its kind of frustrating, I do think Tarr probably takes attention away from other hungarian filmakers because no-body knows who the hell the others are.
Kaiser Eoghan
@Mario: Man, wreckmeister was so visually arresting I started getting dreams from it.
Kaiser Eoghan
@Mario: I would consider Tarr to be kind of a poor mans Janco, Angelopolus and Tarkvosky rolled into one. I don't entirely "get" wreckmeister and man from London but they are great atmospheric mood piece experiences.
SuperMario
@Kaiser: I had been wanting to watch Belar Tarr's Turin Horse and Werckmeister Harmonies for so long now. Well, Fat Girl is shocking haha, but I'm normally drawn into those kind of films anyway.
SuperMario
@Kaiser: Margaret took like 5,6 years to release because he couldn't cut it down in the way he wanted. The final cut if I remembered correctly was edited by Martin Scorsese
Kaiser Eoghan
@Mario: Only a HDcam for moonlight now.
Kaiser Eoghan
I looks like my lineup is witch academia, rakugo and youjo senki, well the most latter one until I get bored.
Kaiser Eoghan
@Mario: I sense a directors cut for manchester, it feels like it need another 30 minutes.
SuperMario
@Kaiser: right up my valley. Watch Kenneth Lonergan's previous works Magaret and You Can Count on Me. Magaret is very messy but have a raw dialogue and interactions as well
SuperMario
Now the first episodes are over, I will keep on covering 3-gatsu, as for the other twos atm I have 3 options: 1) full romance/anti-romance high school Seiren/Scum's Wish. 2) slice-of-life moe monster girls Demi-chan/Maid Dragon and 3) Mature,dark Onihen/Acca (which although I like them I don't have much to talk about).If you guys have any preference on which shows you like covered then let me know
Kaiser Eoghan
@Helghast: At this point I'm watching youjo senki as an entertaining guilty pleasure.
Kaiser Eoghan
@Mario: Too many reboots upcoming, will wait for the dvds instead. I want to explore more of manchester by the sea's director's work. I also want to finally get more into Bela Tarr's stuff.
Kaiser Eoghan
@Mario: I was rather shocked by A Ma souer/fat girls final act. Scenes with the Italian in the bedroom were initially creepy.
SuperMario
@Kaiser: it's a nice review Kaiser, a bit jealous with you that you've seen those 3 films which are touted as the best films of 2016. Also Fat Girl, haha, I love that movie.
Kaiser Eoghan
Poor yotaro =< you have so much stuff going down on you =<
HelghastKillzone
Youjo Senki episode was so good today. That revamped scene with God just fitted so right.
AidanAK47
A official release of that game in the west is apparently coming but it's been a few years and not much news about it.
Kaiser Eoghan
@Aidan: Ah yes that was the one.
AidanAK47
@Kaiser, Had to think for a moment on that one but I think I was talking about this. https://vndb.org/v3144
Kaiser Eoghan
Now I'd hardly consider myself a studio trigger fan, but I watched the first witch academia episode there, it was actually kind of fun, got the same reaction from me as flipflappers did, that magical, special feeling.
Kaiser Eoghan
@Mario: I also, of interest reviewed Kenneth Lonegrans new film: http://letterboxd.com/shao_liu_ringon/film/manchester-by-the-sea/
Kaiser Eoghan
@Mario: Moonlight got some feels out of me though it could of been more, it ends abruptly and with 20 extra minutes they could have spent a bit more time on each section of his life.
Kaiser Eoghan
@Mario: I checked out lala land, ending was very well executed, one of three scenes in the film that were impressive visually. The whole thing looked pretty and Gosling and Stone had some decent chemistry. Although it didn't resonate emotionally as strongly as the musicals of Jacques Demi did.
Kaiser Eoghan
MOM I want aiyoku no eustia and I want it now.
Kaiser Eoghan
I've never heard of himawari or tokyo babel. The hellsing comparison at least interests me in dies irae. What was the name of that visual novel again that was coming out soon, Aidan you described it as "And Kaiser would love it because its supposed to be really fucked up".
Kaiser Eoghan
I vaguely remember the anime for 11 eyes, it was very forgettable, even the voice acting was poor, hated the childhood friends and the pacing was poor, those black knight things were kind of interesting though.
Kaiser Eoghan
@Aidan: You'll have to add me onto the list of those unsatisfied with the ever 17 writer, I read one of those games and felt it was a bunch of interesting bait that never paid off.
AidanAK47
Anyway I plan on doing a review of 11eyes here when I finish it.
AidanAK47
Can't say I was a fan of Ever17. That was a really good twist but when it came to explaining it their was a lot of contrived development. Generally not a fan of the writer. Looseboy, Ryukishi, Gen and Nasu are more my kinda thing
AidanAK47
@Anon, it is nice that so many VNs are on steam but I wish they wouldn't be stupid with the whole no adult content thing. Not so much for myself but to prevent idiots from writing negitives reviews because the game doesn't have sex. VNs can grip you in a way anime simply can't and while they require pathence and time those can be some pretty powerful stories.
Anonymous678956
@Aidan, I am so happy steam's so VN-friendly now. I think it's a very good type of media. Like anime, it has nice visuals, music and some movement but also the inner monologue and text amount of books. It's the perfect combination. Plus, the routes, which are often puzzle pieces and PoVs you have to go through to understand the whole story. True routes like the one of Ever17 blew my mind.
AidanAK47
Hopefully the two VNs I bought of steam turn out better. Tokyo Babel is supposed to be alright and I heard really good things about Himawari.
AidanAK47
I am about a third of the way through the game and really not much of worth has happened. The concept is interesting but the execution is sorely lacking.
AidanAK47
I went in expecting it to be a mixed bag and it's pretty below my expectations. It's just not really well written and the protagonist is a moron. THere isn't really routes and instead you are pretty much stuck with his childhood friend as the main love interest. Problem with that is her character begins and ends with loving the main.
Anonymous675376
@Aidan, damn. 11Eyes is on my reading list as well. Although I almost expected it to not be as good as I thought it'd be (back then). Guess I would have enjoyed it if I was able to read it while the (shitty) adaption aired, maybe I have seen/read too many series by now. Guess I'll still give it a try some day though.
AidanAK47
@Anon, I haven't heard the OST or watched the intro video. I only know it be reputation and have decided to walk into it as blind as I can. Still slightly worried as I was somewhat looking forward to reading 11Eyes for a couple of years and now that I am reading it it's well...not good.
Anonymous675376
@Aidan, same here. I was waiting years for this, since I saw the intro video for the first time. Also, that OST!
HelghastKillzone
Youjo Senki is already leagues better than Izetta. It's going to be top anime of forever and ever. (maybe not)
AidanAK47
And finally Dies Irae is funded. May actually be able to play and finish the game before the anime airs. If the hype is real behind this baby it could be a new personal favorite Visual Novel of mine. Already looking promising with it being like a cross between Hellsing and Fate/Stay Night. Two things I most certainly like.
Lenlo
@Masky, in regards to style over substance thats where im at with Gurrne Lagann.
Topgavin
Yeah, I'll probably watch the next episode to see whether it can redeem itself. Hopefully it can but considering 1st episodes usually get a lot of budget, there's some severe doubt in there.
AidanAK47
I actually argee with character designs and voices are bad in regards to female characters. Still the next episode might change your mind if we get more into the main characters head.
Anonymous671470
It's boring
Topgavin
Also, it seems I disagree with a lot of people in thinking Youjo Senki will be a massive trainwreck. The character designs are awful, the voice acting is mismatched but most of all the premise just seems so very dumb. If I wanted to watch a badass kill people I'd go watch Hellsing or Drifters, because at least those don't have some op, disproportionate loli as the mc.
AidanAK47
Gets even more complicated when you account for Satire and Parody. You could equally argue all examples listed as being as such.
AidanAK47
Little Witch Academia is a decontruction of Harry Potter....I don't believe that but honestly if I tried I could put some reasoning behind that statement.
Topgavin
In the end, it always comes down to opinion (as with every discussion about anime, for some reason). You could spin any and every series as a "deconstruction", which is why people shy away from using the word. You could argue NGE, Madoka and Re:Zero are all deconstructions yet also argue Gundam, Precure and SAO are depending on what points you weigh more importantly.
Masky
Like, if deconstruction is supposed to be just "break the elements and then play story how it would realistically go down" well I haven't watched NGE, but as far as I know it does have stuff that isn't typical to mecha genre besides the "It would fuck up kids" thing plus "realistically how it would play out" is pretty subjective thing. I mean, its mainly about how cynical bastard the writer is :P
Masky
Like I said, I don't fully agree with it because I find video's speaker's attitude annoying, but I found it semi convincing. Main thing I don't find convincing about it is that I don't think its hard to turn video's own arguments agaisnt it and say that by its own logic NGE isn't deconstruction either, like Aidan just said earlier
Masky
And I don't really have energy for checking out the "correct" one. If there even is one. Anyway, the hipster video I was talking about was titled "What Actually Is A Deconstruction?" if you want to check it out.
Masky
Hmm, well, it does depend on definition you use. Like if you use "realistic" thing, well, Magical Girl shows don't usually have "You turn into monsters" thing going on and reason why NGE's pilots go crazy is from dangerous situations rather than evas making them do so. But honestly, I don't really have strong opinion on matter since word seems to be one of those with several different meaning
SuperMario
for me Madoka IS a deconstruction of Magical girl, and yeah like what Aidan said
SuperMario
I think part of Utena is a deconstruction of "prince riding horse and save the girl" because that notion is just a foundation for Utena to become a prince herself and save other girl. That's breaking it apart and resemble it again in its own way. Don't have to be dark/ don't have to be real either
AidanAK47
@Masky, That's just debating semantics. Besides that difinition would pretty much mean that Neon Genesis Evangelion isn't a decontruction either. Madoka isn't a decontruction because it's dark. It's more in its aspects of criticising why a girl should throw her ordinary life away for something as dangerous as being a magical girl. It does take plenty of the typical tropes and turn them on its head
SuperMario
@Masky: Genre deconstruction is such a tricky word that I normally try to avoid using because there's really no set characteristic about the term and different people have different opinions about what constitute "deconstruction". For me, I disagree that deconstruction have to be dark and real, hmm can't say it well but I will give you an example:
Masky
But yeah, I guess I could try to find the video if you guys are interested, though like I said, I got hipsterish feel from the video and felt rather annoyed through it even though I did get what the point was and found it sort of convincing besides my annoyance
Masky
(not that liking NGE is hipsterish, its just that I find NGE to be more style than substance sort of series <_< Anyway, guy didn't dislike madoka or anything, he just seemed to dislike people using word deconstruction wrong in his opinion)
Masky
(especially with how much they seemed to praise Neon Genesis Evangelion)
Masky
I mean, I think the guy was being somewhat hipsterish, but its true the being darker take on genre isn't same as deconstructing the genre
Masky
@AidanAK47: Some other guy on youtube did video that had actually pretty good point about how Madoka isn't really deconstruction, if you go by definition of "Break it down to parts and then play them straight to show how horrifying it would be in real life"
Anonymous670441
Gente - Ristorante no Hitobito
Kaiser Eoghan
If anything its the hate I have for certain characters that makes it more effective.
Kaiser Eoghan
The obsessional level of attachment is just uncomfortable to me, I don't want to get THAT attached to a non-real character.
Kaiser Eoghan
Its literally just a case of "Okay lets look at this picture of this character, she looks interesting, no feelings or expression from me, apply this fetish, fap, get release, go home. "
Kaiser Eoghan
Or drooling/dribbling/heavy breathing/grinning over the characters. I abhor alot of the anime girls I find attractive or am indifferent, even when looking at ecchi/hentai drawings I'm straight and clinical with it.
Kaiser Eoghan
I mean to each their own. But I really hate the level of emotion/devotion to moe/finding the characters attractive. Such as celebrating their birthdays, going on about how cute/hot they are, how important it is that they're virgins. Or not being being self-aware of how irritating the characters are.
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