Posted by psgels on 8 October 2013 with categories: Anime Reviews

Normally I try to avoid spoilers with these reviews, but screw it, it’s Pokemon. Pokemon The Origin is a bomb of nostalgia. If you haven’t played Pokemon Red, Blue or Green, then you will not enjoy this one slight bit. This really is made as pure undilluted fanservice for the fans of the first games. Pokemon was the first anime that I watched on Dutch television that made me aware of the existance of anime. Pokemon Yellow was the game that had me hooked, more than any other game when I was younger. So yeah, I am a fan, Pokemon holds an irreplaceable part in my childhood. And biased.

Here’s the interesting bit about this OVA: it’s got so many things that the television-series did really badly. And yet at the same time, it’s got some huge flaws that the TV-series was better at.

Let me start with the positives: finally, after more than a decade of pokemon, we’ve got it: a Pokemon anime without Ash. Team Rocket is present, but Jesse, James and Meowth are completely gone. in fact, the only regular characters who do return are Giovanni, Professor Oak, and Brock and Misty as Gym Leaders. This is what I’ve been waiting for: the pokemon universe is open to so many different stories and interpretations, so it sucks that it always has to be the same thing. I gave up on it years ago for a reason.

Next up: the length. At four episodes of just 20 minutes, finally Pokemon has come in bite-size chunks. The TV-series was absolutely notorious for wasting time, for running for way too long and including so many pointless stories that dilluted the experience. In these four episodes the creators picked the best parts of the game and brought that to animation.

All of the characters, in terms of acting at least improved from what we’ve seen of them: Giovanni actually has a personality, Brock stopped being the womanizer and now is just a gym leader, and all of the pokemon stopped trying to look and sound cute. They behave much more like animals. Heck, there was one brief appearance of Pikachu, and somehow the creators managed to give it mouse noises. That is one thing that I did not expect them to get past the marketing machine.

Now, the bad stuff: you obviously can’t stuff one entire game in four episodes. The solution of the creators is to have Red recap the things that happened off-screen. Great for fans of the game, but anyone not familiar will just scratch their head, wondering what the hell is going on. The only single reason I tolerate this is because it’s pokemon: any other show attempting this would have not worked at all. Adaptations need to stand alone, not give the message of “you need to check out the game/manga/whatever if you want the complete story”.

What also stood out was that this OVA became quite a good example of the difference in adaptations between today and fifteen years ago: adaptations today follow much closer to their original source material. On one hand this creates less obnoxious filler, but on the other hand this also limits the creators when they take over something stupid, or something that doesn’t work. This stands out especially in game adaptations.

There’s something bizarre in the entire game meta being visible in these OVAs, like pokemon have life bars now, they talk about level. People hand out sics with moves on them. Oh, and the battles themselves also become really weird because of this where the main focus is adhering to the game rules, rather than common sense. Take the fight against Brock for example: oh yeah, it may follow the game’s rules and all, but what we saw there was the equivalent of a big tank being drop-kicked by a hamster. Pikachu’s victory against the Onyx actually made sense. You can give the original series a lot of flack, but at least they looked at the different powers and used their heads, whereas in The Origins you have a Charizard whose tail keeps burning even when he’s underwater.

The characters also really suffered, and the creators I think made the explicit decision not to flesh them out or give them much depth. They get all their depth from the nostalgia with the games. This worked particularly strange with Giovanni, who behaves really weird throughout the parts he’s featured in. Heck, he loses to a kid and just abolishes his entire organization, even though losing to a kid just a few minutes earlier did nothing to him. But yeah, this entive OVA fails to make any ounce of sense. The original series has more logic in it than what we saw here.

But here’s the thing: When I first learned of this OVA, I imagined that it would be this big budgetted OVA, or at least something really solid. This was everything but solid, and the animation budget in particular wasn’t that impressive. This leads me to believe that this was a simple experiment: a test to see whether it’s worth it to also cater to the older fans of Pokemon. A pilot, if you will. And that idea, I really support.

Pokemon deserves to have some stories in it that target a different demographic than the usual kids. There are plenty of adult players who would like to see a more mature storyline animated, I would definitely see a market for that. For future experiments, I would really suggest: try sometihng standalone. Don’t depend on the games. Make sense. Take yourself seriously. Have a main character who isn’t a kid. I know that the last point is really stretching it, but hey you made Pikachu talk like a mouse, so apparently you do have freedom.
One-Sentence Review: A nostalgia bomb and not much more; do not watch if you haven’t played Pokemon Red, Blue or Green.
Suggestions:
– Pokemon, The Indigo League Season

17 Responses

  1. Juno says:

    Your review sounds like everything I said on the ShoutBox to Emma. XD
    I don’t think I could agree anymore or any less (well, my problem wasn’t just that Sakaki/Giovanni lost to Red and disbanded the group without a second thought, but that he started to call the battle great when he was kicking Red’s butt. Takeshi/Brock did the same thing… lol). It was made for nostalgia and to entice older fans who have stuck with the series until now, and to that extent, they succeeded wholeheartedly.
    So now I’m curious. What did you think of the Mega Stone and Mega Lizardon X/Mega Charizard X reveal? Like, had you seen it beforehand or… was this your first time? And what do you think of it being in The Origin?

    • psgels psgels says:

      Sorry, I have trouble keeping up with the shoutbox nowadays, due to the huge amount of stuff that’s being said there. XD

      I had heard of the mega evolutions beforehand, and I saw some comments floating around on the internet that they would feature in the Origin somehow, and yeah, it pretty much popped up where you’d expect it.

      Whether it belongs in the Origin: it entirely depends on what happened to those stones after Charizard’s evolution: if they just disappeared and Red just became a hermit afterwards, then it fits in the whole canon of the story: after all Ash saw a Ho-oh on his first day, which wasn’t supposed to exist, and if we just assume that at that time, those evolution stones were incredibly rare and mysterious, then it does fit somehow. But they were better off keeping them off, but I guess that it’s a neccessary evil as a commercial for the upcoming games.

      I do get behind the concept of Mega evolutions by the way. They’re something new for the pokemon games, which have been treading the safe path way too much.The question now is whether it will work: are the different mega evolutions creative enough?

      • Juno says:

        From what we know, Mega Stones are just items your Pokemon hold at the beginning of the battle to transform into their Mega evolution. At the end of the battle, they revert back to their normal form. As evident in The Origin, the wristband the protagonist wears in X/Y holds a Key Stone, which, when the Pokemon holding the Mega Stone and the trainer’s bond is strong, allows the Pokemon to evolve. The stone doesn’t go away or anything, so it can be used at will.

        Canon-wise, this obviously strayed a bit from the games, but only for the extra content that wasn’t a part of the storyline. We don’t know when X and Y take place in the Pokemon game timeline, but I don’t think that was a concern for the animators here. In the end, Pokemon is a product-based franchise, so this is only one interpretation of the world and game events, which intentionally coincide with X and Y.

        The “twist” with the Mega Charizard X only really works, I suppose, if you had been following the recent Pokemon news. Up to then, most of the revealed Mega Evolutions had one version, with Mewtwo as the only exception. Mega Mewtwo X had been revealed not too long ago, renaming the previous Mega Mewtwo to “Mega Mewtwo Y.” Those who were watching it live and expecting Charizard to Mega Evolve into Mega Charizard were shocked to find out… it wasn’t the Mega Charizard we knew. Thus, “Mega Charizard Y” and “Mega Charizard X.” Even more shocking, it turned black, which is the color a “shiny” Charizard is supposed to be (“shiny” Pokemon are really REALLY rare in the games. Your chance of finding one is about 1/8000-something. They don’t even have special stats or anything, but some Pokemon look really cool, including Charizard). Thus, most peoples’ reactions were “It turned Shiny!?” before they thought, “Wait… This doesn’t even look like Mega Charizard!”

        ‘Tis a shame that the whole point of that reveal ended up being lost on you… but at least, now you know why they added it in. =P

        • Juno says:

          Oh, but me and Emma did discuss one thing that would probably crush all of what everyone here wants out of a Pokemon anime… maybe. Pokemon anime are nothing but advertisements for the games and cards and the franchise as a whole. They don’t make money off of it (and frankly, they wouldn’t, even if they made something for older fans). That said, this and the Black/White 2 and Mystery Dungeon trailers were passion projects. They did it because they wanted to and do have the passion for this kind of stuff. They just can’t waste too much of a budget on them, so they’re limited. If we want more of it, we have to put our money where our mouth is. Otherwise, it’ll be determined pointless budget-spending and they’ll use that money somewhere else next time…

  2. gedata says:

    “Take yourself seriously. Have a main character who isn’t a kid. I know that the last point is really stretching it, but hey you made Pikachu talk like a mouse, so apparently you do have freedom”

    Isn’t this the closest Pokemon’s ever go to that?
    http://www.gamefaqs.com/gamecube/914973-pokemon-colosseumOf course it’s still just a game…

    • Joe says:

      Wes is the most badass pokemon MC ever. It’s a shame they don’t have more Pokemon spinoffs that have a darker tone.

  3. Emma-hime says:

    In addition to agreeing with this review and Juno, along with the general consensus on this special I should add that forgot to add my reaction/thoughts on the megastone thing. I’ve not had time for games in the past couple of years so I’ve missed out on some later pokemon games after gold and silver and have pidgeon knowledge of the later ones. I’d know about the mega thing but I was seeing it properly for the first time here so particularly because it was from a future instalment and made its way into an adaptation of the older games it threw me for a loop.

  4. Emma-hime says:

    I would like to say one thing about the victory against Brock in the main anime though, that to me while logical and I agree with made sense also reeked of a lucky win. Whereas in the game fighting Brock with a charmander early on would never be that convenient.

  5. Firechick says:

    Hey Psgels. If you’re interested, read the manga Pokemon Special (or Pokemon Adventures). It has great, developed characters, and Pokemon that act like intelligent animals, and there’s always new adventures every arc. Check it out! It’s everything the anime and games should be!

  6. starry says:

    Interesting, I didn’t expect you to be reviewing this.

    I don’t think we’ll get a more “mature” story of Pokemon though, it’s fricking Pokemon and at the bottom line it’s suppose to appeal to children. It’s nice that they made this at least that can appeal towards all ages.

    I’d really like to see this fleshed out into a 12/13 episode series though, would be nice. I’d personally love to see a Pokemon Colleseum adaptation (which is somewhat more mature) but one can dream.

  7. petitorenji says:

    The plot here is so much more realistic than that of the series: the pokemon getting hurt, the relationship between characters, the technology, and the lack of repetitive BS from Team Rocket. It allowed me to go into that “suspension of disbelief” zone easier as well. The boom-boom-boom of the plot speed didn’t bother me because I knew it was a compression of probably 50+ original episodes, which means no filler, and for those who have stayed away from the series may just have enjoyed it for the ride. But the Mega-Charizard at the end was such an unexpected let-down. Ending with this deus-ex-machina hyper-mode reminded me of the many tropes that many children’s series seem cling on to. But this may be a promise to more Origins OVA episodes, running parallel with the original series. I would love a 24-ep series for the “grown-up kids.” I also didn’t understand why Red was able to summon so many pokemon against a constrained amount from the gym leaders.

  8. Ebisu says:

    Just to add one thing. About Charizard’s tail that keeps burning under water. In the original series it was clearly laid down that a Charmander whose tail stops burning dies, so the tail burning is normal. It should keep burning even under water or the poor pokemon would die.

    This is shown too when Charmander fights with Squirtle and it nearly dies because of the bite (by the way a ruthless scene, spectacular but not aimed at kids). When Red sees that his tail starts to lose flame, he knows he must retreat.

  9. Resh Lustre says:

    All i can say is that, what they made was awesome. Ive been expecting this for a long time. And i was in shock when i saw the videos in youtube! Ill let my future sons or daughter play pokemon and let em watch this. its fuckin awesome!!!! God bless the man who made it. haha it made my day, really. took all the stress away and put a gigantic smile on my effic face!!!!

  10. Resh Lustre says:

    Ill wait for your reply on my facebook account if you got something to say :) heres my account, resh lustre or heres my email add. raolustre@yahoo.com

  11. Shabbir says:

    I really liked it! I grew up with Pokemon and I stopped watching it at black and white because it was just annoying, but I gave X and Y and origins a chance and I really like them because they’re to me more realistic. Think about it the fact that trainers get hurt during battle is very realistic if you think about it. Also I likes how it’s life threatening at some moments and how not everything will be sorted out by a half a minute battle. The best part to me was the battles, it wasn’t just dumb attacks at each Pokemon it was a full on fight between two beasts or monsters whatever you wnat to call them. So yeah I don’t know why you’re being so harsh.

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SuperMario
@Kaiser: he passed away? damn. He was the Father of Zombie genre. So like him or hate him, he was influential to say the least. RIP.
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Kaiser_Eoghan
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Maybe the conversation and lives of others could sort of count as espionage stories to an extent.
Kaiser_Eoghan
If you're interested in spy fiction, Spy who came in from the cold, most wanted man, Smiley's people, deadly affair and tinker tailor soldier spy are your best bet.
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@Travlos (regarding yoir earlier comment): yeah, it hit me as well that most of regular readers have been here even longer than myself. So thanks for sticking around mates
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Then again, James Bond does count as a spy. I meant not a realistic one.
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Bahamut is going interesting places.
BTW. Speaking of spies from Princess Principal. I watch TURN. That is a good spy show.
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Anonymous1270604
amazing!
Vonter
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Lenlo
Final Fantasy has had some gun swords. Cant think of any with guns in melee though. There are some with gun-kata like cowboy bebop though
Vonter
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18if ep2 was a bit wacky... main character seems to be off his rocker.
AidanAK47
Alright. Time to finally play catch up with those series I need to blog.
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But at the same time acknowledging love for creativity is more important in the end than making a profit.
Kaiser-Eoghan
I think I was using death of artist/deceased artist as a term to suggest peoples careers in the area are too often killed before they get a chance.
Kaiser-Eoghan
Moreso also to save the guy the embarrassment of misinterpreting it so awkwardly.
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Puran: Nothing too extreme , moreso that the piece itself feels inappropriate/tainted to have up/leave around/submit. Ended up taking it down out of taste.
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Did that change how you feel about your writing? I had a somewhat similar experience, where something I was writing was similar to a real situation some I knew was going through. After I found out I stopped writing it. Not sure why.
Kaiser-Eoghan
I wasn't all that close to either of them much but yeah, weird coincidence.
Kaiser-Eoghan
He thought I already knew the guy was dead.
Kaiser-Eoghan
*earlier
Kaiser-Eoghan
Its all okay now...but fuck that was was awkward.
Kaiser-Eoghan
....Oh jesus christ...oh christ this is a creepy creepy coincidence...I showed an acquaintance a bit of writing I did early, it mentions death of an artist, thing is I was writing something based on a conversation with my editor friend, turns out said acquaintance's artist friend died (who he knows that I've spoken to in the past) and he thought the piece I showed him was about the dead guy.
Kaiser-Eoghan
I believe I began visiting this site in 2008.
As for humanity has declined, I found it bizzare and darkly funny for a while but felt it ran dry in its second half and I kind of fell out of following it.
KTravlos
You know it hit me. I think I have been following this blog for a decade now, perhaps more. Cool that it is still around.
Lenlo
I do agree it had alot more western influence than eastern though
Lenlo
Eh nothing wrong with that I think. Astro boy was very much the same after all
AidanAK47
@Lenlo, I personally saw it as more of a Saturday morning cartoon than an anime.
Lenlo
@Masky, Heroman was a decent giant robot show. It looked and sounded good, though the acting was off in places. Alot of people panned it thinking it was the West invading the east when really it was trying to bridge that gap
SuperWooper
@Kaiser: Hey, Humanity Has Declined was great.
KTravlos
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KTravlos
Masky it was not an issue of writing about politics. It is an issue of writing just about your preferred politics. A good political work need to be politicized if you understand what I mean.
Kaiser-Eoghan
...what the hell tsuki ga kirei was directed by Seiji Kishi? He was actually capable of making a good anime?
Masky
Anyhoo, lol. Haven't mentioned Jitsu wa watashi wa in long time, but I really find it hilarious that its only actually evil character's competence is just "they aren't a idiot" xD As in, they don't even seem that diabolically intelligent, they just don't get wrapped into hijinxs.
Masky
@KTravlos: Well, depends on your views. Some people think artists should have their work speak about politics and world instead of just good stories. I'm kinda neutral about that since while stories about nature of world can be great, most of them don't really teach anyone anything new or change anyone
Masky
Huh, another anime work with Stan Lee being involved? I wonder how well Heroman did
KTravlos
Yup. A mangaka that could had been another Urasaw imho is Kawaguchi Kaiji. I really like his art, and it evokes some of the elements that I love in Urasawa. He also has interesting stories. But I fear he has let his political and ideological prejudices get the better of him. Which is a pity. Definitely a missed chance.
Masky
Did Urasawa do that billy bat manga?
SuperMario
As for Urasawa, I mentioned here before but I read 20th Century Boys few months ago and the manga was a straight out masterpiece. Fillers, yes but they are still in service for the main plot. Although out of his work my favorite's still Monster
AidanAK47
Alright. Only one more. Though the two superhero shows won't air for another week. Seeing as one is reflectiona nd the other is that marvel kids show maybe we shouldn't bother covering them in the impressions.
SuperMario
@Amagi: agree with you on the Friday's anime (well, for me it's technically Saturday) but Kakegurui, Fate and Princess Principal are worth following as well
SuperMario
@Kaiser: if you're still deciding if you should check out the manga or novel then I say novel since it's the novel that was influential, not the manga
Kaiser-Eoghan
So based on that fantasy itch I had thought about Altair, but hesitated because it was labeled as a shounen action show.
Kaiser-Eoghan
There was a time where I was hugely into the shoujo fantasy/historical thing. I've actually been thinking of out of curiousity looking into some old obscure ovas such as Books of Y and Crystania.
Amagi
Man as much as I love the Friday's anime this time, and whenever Altair airs, but the rest of the working-week is weak as hell. At least now I will finally have more time for games, VNs and creative stuff I guess.
Kaiser-Eoghan
It was kind of nice to hear an announcer coming in before Genocidal organ started, mentioning that for a few months their cinema will be playing anime and Japanese films.
Kaiser-Eoghan
Surprised to see an anime reference Kafka and Katyn.
Kaiser-Eoghan
I have not yet checked out empire of corpses.
Kaiser-Eoghan
Now, I'll have to consider the manga or the novel as I heard some of the philosophical stuff got chopped. This was however a more successful and accessible film for me than Harmony.
Kaiser-Eoghan
Manglobe was always a bit mediocre when it came to animation and voice actor direction, but this wasn’t a bad film for them to go out on.
It lives up to its name, it gets quite visceral with the action that’s there, if you don’t like seeing child soldiers getting slaughtered there’s your warning, but I appreciated getting this kind of violence I want to see more of again in anime/manga.
Kaiser-Eoghan
I just got back from my local arthouse cinema, from watching a special screening of that anime film, Genocidal organ, this is the sort of thing where you do wish that it had more time to explore its thematics but they at least offer a good enough flavouring to a solid man on a mission scifi thriller.
Kaiser-Eoghan
Just to state I don't hate Urasawa's work, rather I find it sort of difficult , I could say the same about Asano Inio regarding oyasumi punpun.
KTravlos
Urasawa is supposed to be working on Master Keaton Remastered. But it seems to be on hiatus. A pity because I loved Master Keaton (I adore Monster)-in general I love this person's work.
Amagi
20thCB would be my favorite Urasawa I think but I can't imagine it as an adaption. Kinda want to know what Urasawa will do next. He already announced that he's working on a new series months ago.
Amagi
I am really looking forward to the Pluto anime. I wanted this one the most, there is a serious lack of good sci-fi anime out there.
Kaiser-Eoghan
...billy bat is....scattered and directionaless fro what I read but shows interesting historical scenarios.
Kaiser-Eoghan
Pluto was reasonably short, so this wasn't much of a problem.
Kaiser-Eoghan
And while from the film adaptations I could tell that the original manga for 20th century boys likely had a very good storyline , I couldn't get through the manga.
Kaiser-Eoghan
Despite watching monster a few times I feel I've missed or forgotten things about it, largely because although I understand its importance and did like it, its length and pace always made me watch it on and off with gaps in between.
Kaiser-Eoghan
I was surprised by how attached I got to Grimmer.
Kaiser-Eoghan
Monster is a good example of slow burn tension done right and has one of the most memorable villains out there. Though it isn't without its fillers.
Lenlo
You want a mystery, I heartily recommend Monster.
Kaiser-Eoghan
And I also sometimes write impressions/reviews in my spare time, its hard.
Kaiser-Eoghan
Although the first season probably did have just that bit better atmosphere.
Kaiser-Eoghan
I think I may have been one of the few who enjoyed true detective season 2 as much as the first however.
Kaiser-Eoghan
I'm not sure anymore if I'm entirely happy or not with having less time now , yes I can see the frustration, but at the same time it stops me from filling in dead moments with terrible shows/films when there ends up being literally nothing else to do.
Kaiser-Eoghan
Then again I can only enjoy a select crime/mystery things .
Kaiser-Eoghan
It would take a very good writer to make case of the week episodes work, a mystery wrapped up in one or two episodes can just stop it from unfolding naturally or organically.
Kaiser-Eoghan
As I've probably mentioned a few times, I pretty much go by what I'm told to watch and not watch , mostly to play it safe.
Amagi
@Aidan: Same here. If the supernatural feeling is part of a series it's better if it's rather just hinted at to retain the aura of mystery but that the actual cases are just involving "normal" crimes that get resolved by detective work. Something like True Detective or Name of the Rose.
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