Posted by psgels on 13 December 2013 with categories: Anime Reviews

Noucome! You do not want to know how long I have been waiting for a series like this. More than half a decade, at the very least. Finally a series comes along and puts the incredibly overused harem genre in its place. And it actually does it well. Thank you!

So to elaborate: the harem genre is one of the worst genres in anime, and it has been so for about a decade now. The worst part is the sheer amount of series that have been made of it. They give anime a bad name and the vast majority of them just completely sucks. Over the years of course, enough attempts at parodies have appeared.

The problem with these parodies was that they weren’t really parodies. They’re just harem shows with their tongue in their cheek. When you have this mentality though, you only make things worse: you’re not funny, and the tongue in the cheek is just an excuse to put in even less effort into your writing because any flaws can be overlooked this way. A lot of parodies make this mistake and just adhere to the things they’re trying to make fun of, and with the harem genre this resulted into one giant mess. The only successful series so far probably was Ben-To, but that was just a really well executed series first and foremost.

Noucome though, goes all the way. This series finally aims to highlight the stupidity in the harem genre, and it finally aims to really make everything about it look ridiculous to show what so many series nowadays are getting away with. It finally takes the usual tropes like the quiet girl, the ditzy girl, the energetic girl, the student council, and with some great jokes and its premise shows how bad these things are. The protagonist is wonderful in fully acknowledging what a horrible person he is while this show keeps finding ways for him to enact generic harem scenes, and take them to the ridiculous. For that effort alone, I applaud this series. Because it has a lot of flaws, unfortunately.

Like most series, this series does lack an editor. The writers have great ideas, but other ideas are just plain bad. For example, everything about the main female lead (the one who falls from the sky) just doesn’t work: where all other characters are meant to highlight the flaws of their stereotypes, she’s just the generic dog-like girl with no brains and a huge appetite that we’ve seen millions of times before. She gets old really fast.

Second, it’s unfortunate to see that the writers can’t keep up their wit for the entire run of the series. With only 10 episodes, this is delightfully short (a comedy really does not need to be long!), but even then the second half has a few bad episodes, and especially the last arc is a pool episode that, while still containing some good jokes, is also full of pointless repeated boob-jokes that don’t go anywhere and an incredibly rushed and hacked ending that doesn’t really resolve anything. It’s a really clear example of the creators not knowing whether there is going to be a sequel, and therefore they try to include a bit of both, resulting in a really big mess of a final episode. It’s a shame, because there really is comedic gold in good endings, yet the amount of comedies that actually go for this can be counted on two hands. Another problem this series has is that everyone and his dog conveniently gets anmnesia when the writers need it the most. It’s passable when done once, but the writers just keep relying on it.

Nevertheless, Noucome first looked to be a series with the worst premise you could imagine. It turned out to be the biggest surprise of the year for me, and especially the first half was pretty much the best way in which such a bad-sounding storyline could ever have been animated. Can we now kill the harem genre. Please?
One-Sentence Review: The first harem parody that actually is a parody. Terrible ending though.
Suggestions:
Ben-To
Touka Gettan (Also not really a parody, but another great example of how to spice up the harem genre)
Aquarion Evol

37 Responses

  1. Flawfinder says:

    If this anime was a short, it would have been way better. Gimmicky-series like this should not have full-lengths.

  2. psgels psgels says:

    Yeah. The last good episode was I think episode seven. The problem though is that the episodes after that could have been good, but for some reason this show just stopped being a parody and played straight again.

    • Juno says:

      Episode 9 was my favorite episode simply because it pitted the tropes against each other in a way that was so over-the-top, I couldn’t help but laugh. And that episode ending. The beginning of episode 10 ruined it (actually, all of 10 was pretty mediocre), but it still gave me the kind of feeling in which I realized, “This is a lot more serious-funny than I originally thought it was…” XD
      Biggest surprise of the season for me, too.

  3. Scruffy says:

    I think the best thing about this series was how it took the piss out of the little sister trope. Now THAT is a trope that needs to die in HELL! The ending pool episodes were meh but still overall it was a laugh.

  4. brianwuzhere says:

    I liked the pool episode if only for the Unlimited Blade Works reference, but I’ll agree that it started better than it ended.

  5. Mazz says:

    I fucking love this show, but I do admit the ending was bad. It reminds me of the ending for Baccano!, just badly done. The only episodes that were bad IMO were the last episode and the episode before the pool scene. Everything else was golden if you ask me. Still, 7 or 8 funny episodes out if 10 is a hell of a lot better than any other comedy I have seen.

  6. Cytl says:

    I’m surprised to see how some random, exaggerated humor can create the illusion of a “parody” where there is none. Maybe it’s just people fooling themselves into thinking that they are not watching a, very enjoyable, yet generic and otaku-pandering show.

  7. AidanAK47 says:

    I think Cytl has a point. I do think it is a pretty funny show but I would hesitate to call it a parody. For one it’s not really taking potshots at harem cliches. If anything it’s fully embracing them. The only characters mocking traditional stereotypes of the genre were the little sister and the ojousama.The Moe girl didn’t really mock the stereotype and never did the genki, idiot girl or the kuudere.

    I wouldn’t mind a season 2 though if light novels have taught me anything it’s that after volume one…it’s all downhill.

  8. Nyangoro says:

    While I wasn’t a fan of this series at all to begin with, I have to agree with Cyti and Aidan. There was no parody in this series. From episode one, it operated on randomness and kept people interested (and laughing, presumably) with its high energy and non sequitur humor so in your face that it would have made Tracy Jordan double take. I didn’t find that it actually parodies any of the tropes, but rather went so far with them that they became even harder to take seriously than they already are, which led to them feeling like they were poking fun at the tropes.

    But yeah, this is an opinion coming from someone who never like the show to begin with, so take it for what you will.

  9. Juno says:

    Nah. I’m going to meet halfway with psgels and Aidan and the others. I don’t think the series meant to actually parody the tropes, but it still did a heck of a job in many places where it mattered. Taking the trope further than believable can be a bad thing (and I had a hard time trying to figure out why these bad trope exaggerations were still making me laugh so hard), but here, the trope exaggerations never affected the main character, and were only ever acknowledged by the common minion students in the anime–the throwaway fodder meant to almost represent mindless otaku. And as generic as it sounds, it was executed well. And that’s what I think made it a parody. It was almost “trying” to become a harem anime, but rejecting it cleverly enough that we could still consider it a parody by its core.

    • Cytl says:

      I don’t want to be too much of pain in the ass, but I’m not too sure how the series supposedly was “trying to reject” being a harem when pretty much every single plot point and device were all used in getting the main character romantically involved with the girls.

  10. Yourdream says:

    If Psgels hadn’t said so, the parody and satire-related jokes in the anime would have completely went passed me. In all seriousness, while I watched this anime I didn’t notice any of that. To me, it was just another harem anime, but it was really funny. Particularly the first three to five episodes were incredibly hilarious. I was really pleased that the anime kept up its humour so well for so long, especially after watching both Hataraku Maou and Servant x Service, both animes with ridiculously funny opening episodes that fizzle out immediately. However, this anime also started to lose its edge, and by episode seven or somewhere around there I wasn’t laughing much at all.

    Also, since nobody else who agrees with me wants to say it, I will: I like harem animes. It’s obvious there’s a lot of people out there like me who also like them since so many harem animes are made. I started anime watching a harem anime in Maburaho and I’ve watched countless ones since then. Yes, there’s a lot of terrible harem animes, but there’s terrible animes of every genre. Good harems, like Kami Nomi, Seto no Hanayome, or even Love Hina are enjoyable. Harems can be good, and plenty of people even like the bad ones. I hope animators continue making harem animes forever.

    • AidanAK47 says:

      Kami Nomi and seto no Hanayome are not harem animes. They are comedies with harem elements.

      Harem is a genre which to me has untapped potential. With a good writer you could turn a harem into a excellent drama with many twist and turns. However Harem anime in general don’t want to show the dark elements of love and prefer to focus on the fluffy and clean parts of first attraction. The reason to it’s popularity is that such a childish fantasy sells. Just like sex sells and Michel Bay movies sell.

      • Scruffy says:

        Well there is always School Days with it’s ‘Nice Boat’ ending :)

      • Nyangoro says:

        Harem works better (or more easily) in the visual novel medium. The fact that it allows choices and allows you to select each pairing separately makes it easier to flesh out each route and tie in more winding elements into a single narrative. It’s the possibilities that make the harem genre work.

        It’s harder to portray those possibilities in anime where you are typically telling a linear story, so they tend to go with either one main line, or try to throw together as many smaller elements of multiple lines as they can. Then you add in the fact that a lot of harem series are made because it’s the trend (and therefore even more burdened by corporate demands) and you have a difficult time finding really good examples in the medium.

        I think a good avenue to create a harem anime would be to use a non-linear style where each week or two sets it from the stand point of one of the girls, seeing it through her eyes instead of the guy’s. In fact, it might be better never to see it through his eyes directly.

        I think Amagami tried to do something like that, but then failed by forgetting to make any of the characters interesting `3`

      • KaZuHiRo says:

        Steins;Gate is also, technically, a harem. So is Elfen Lied.

  11. Malkuth says:

    In order to enjoy a satire, one must be familiar with its subject. Therefore I understand why the reviewer and many commentators here didn’t get the humor. Nonetheless, technically the staff did great work with a limited budget, and indulging in self-sarcasm allowed even narrow-minded viewers to watch and enjoy it.

    • AidanAK47 says:

      Is it just me or does Malkuth’s post sound really condescending?

      • Malkuth says:

        That purely depends on you. You don’t feel patronized by statements like: “the vast majority of them just completely sucks” because you agree with it, while on the other hand, if you didn’t you would be offended. I don’t mind either way, and try to pay attention to what people say, not how they do so.

        • AidanAK47 says:

          My friend, before lecturing others you should take note of your own demeanor. No matter if you have a point or not, if you say it like a condescending asshole it’s downright rude.

          Either way you give the impression of someone trying to sound more intelligent than he actually is and aren’t really saying anything truly insightful. If anything you seem to just be insulting other people.

  12. Mazz says:

    I don’t know why it matters whether or not it is a parody. If you found it funny, it was good, if you didn’t, it wasn’t good. Period. Personally I found the little sister to be hilarious, the choices to be funny, and I liked a lot of the random, non parody humor the show had to offer. Whether it was a good parody or not is irrelevant if it isn’t funny imo.

    • Cytl says:

      It’s just an stimulating discussion after a watching something (a bunch of “I liked it” and “I din’t like it” would be quite pointless to post). Most of us who don’t think it was a parody even liked the show.

      • Malkuth says:

        Self-sarcasm is a tricky thing. Being able to recognize and be critical of your own shortcomings through humor is objectively a good thing, because it exposes the underlying self-awareness of the creator(s). Whether one likes it or not is subjective and has nothing to do with the item, but the individual judging it.

        • Cytl says:

          In this case, the very same presence of a “self-sarcasm” is quite subjective apparently. I just don’t see it.

        • Nyangoro says:

          I don’t know if I’d be so quick to call it objectively good. Because that implies that self-awareness is objectively good, and I don’t think that is always the case. Sometimes you don’t want something to be aware of how unreal it is, because that breaks the immersive experience. With comedy in particular, I certainly wouldn’t say that every comedy series would benefit from being self-aware.

          • Malkuth says:

            Being self-aware helps the staff to have greater control over their creation. Whether they choose to exploit it for satiric or even sarcastic purposes or hide it for a more immersive experience is their rational decision, rather than an accident (which is the usual case).

            In any case, whether one likes either approach or not depends on individual preferences, rather than technical details mentioned above.

  13. Thorben says:

    What an interesting discussion this anime has started. It is easy to relate to the points made here now that I have watched the series after reading psgels review: There was some great humour in the first seven episodes, but even then it was clear that the series was taking itself and the premises of the harem genre too serious. Many scenes were over the top, but for a parody I would have wished to see a more deconstructionist approach to the characters. Although there were some interesting attempts as with the Imoutou character.

  14. Hogart says:

    I think we’ve probably passed the point of over-analysis and gone into the realm of quibbling. Shaun of the Dead also embraced the zombie genre – did that mean it wasn’t also a parody? Not all mockery is hateful and bitter. Similarly, Noucome isn’t primarily be a parody, but enough of its humor is parodic to justify classifying it as one. Besides, the entire harem genre is practically one giant self-parody at this point so I fail to see the need to quibble over that – because it’s also a relatively good specimen of the genre, and we don’t want to reduce it to simply being labeled a parody?

    • Nyangoro says:

      It doesn’t have to be hateful or bitter, but it does have to mock, discuss, or downplay the object of parody in order for it to be a parody. This series didn’t do that, it just indulged in it to the extreme. I suppose you could consider the extreme nature a source of mockery, but I see it less as that and more as merely the source of the comedy.

      • Hogart says:

        Hmm. I can’t say that I agree, but then I might just be remembering things. Such as a dig at Monogatari, a distinct feeling that they were mocking the hell out of TWoGK with Chocolat, and so on. But in the end, the very premise itself mocks harem anime: the lead has utterly no choice but to be a harem MC, because the gods (writers) won’t let him be anything else.

        • KaZuHiRo says:

          How about that Shaft reference? I find it extremely hilarious that I burst out laughing (not many series can do that). And that Maria-sama reference was golden too.

          • Malkuth says:

            First of all there is no more a harem genre in the sense it existed back in the ’90s. Most modern media targeting young adults feature a variety of supporting cast of the opposite sex for commercial purposes. It’s a side-effect that they share tropes with old school harem media, not an objective. You can think of these tropes as the evolution from the opposite sex equivalents from shounen and shoujo. Being gentle one can say it makes storytelling and character development more natural, while the haters can point fingers to untalented and lazy writers.

            Second, NouKome takes jabs at galge and their players first and foremost, not harem anime (both in their restricted and generalized definitions). IMHO it succeeds where KamiNomi and Seitokai no Ichizon failed, by having a protagonist frustrated by the the choices the games provides, while the other two dissociated the viewer from the protagonist. In NouKome the viewer is the player, while in the other we have a third-person perspective. Of course, this works much better in the original novel form, because in the anime first person narrative is very hard to work out with the majority of viewers.

        • Hogart says:

          @Malkuth. But it’s clearly jabbing at more than just galge, too. I’ll grant that calling harem anime a “genre” is silly, but that’s the word that’s been chosen by the gods of online groupthink, just like “fanservice” has become limited to just being about nudity/pantsu.

          I’m just impressed that Noukome is generating actual discussion, even if it seems like the least productive discussion I’ve had in months :)

          • Malkuth says:

            No, NouKome storytelling devices, character concepts and development are deconstructing galge. That was the inspiration and main concept around which it expands the content, branching to related themed satire.

            Now harem, fanservice, and other misconception are just superficial groupings that american distributors used in order to promote quantity over quality. In turn this estranged a lot of fans that didn’t grow up with false dichotomies.

            In any case, it is hard now to discuss anime like NouKome seriously, because most viewers stop thinking after the first pantyshot of the second girl that speaks. On the other hand, critics, bloggers, and viewers overanalyze anime that don’t, whether they worth it or not.

  15. Remember when Bokusatsu Tenshi Dokuro-chan was a “brilliant self-aware deconstruction” of horrible anime like a million years ago? Do you think that if people just deconstruct harem anime hard enough, they’ll be forced to stop making it?

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AidanAK47
@Kaiser, it does stop if you make an account.
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Lenlo
Have to say, Flip Flappers ep 5 was pretty good. I love atmospheric settings like that.
Lenlo
Looks like an Epee. The large bell guard, the fact that they are focusing on thrusting attacks instead of slashing (mostly). Fencing is alot of fun. Be prepared for some bruises though, as some people put their full body weight behind their thrusts.
SuperMario
I have one last dumb question, Can you tell what types of blade of Juri in Utena? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fGsVSSUv_i0
SuperMario
@Lenlo: the more you described the more I found fencing interesting. I might take a look around my town to see if we have Fencing here (the curse of living in a small town).
Lenlo
Blades are slightly different, yes, but mostly just in their guard and how much they bend. Sabers bend easily, Epee's not so much. Surprisingly Epee is the slowest, because people tend to be more careful. Saber is actually the most aggressive of the blades, atleast at my skill level
AidanAK47
That's all they had to do. Just stay inside and let it pass. But for some weird reason they just keep panicking over nothing.
As far as time/alternate world stuff goes this was ridiculously underwhelming. Just finished another movie called triangle and now that's how you do Time travel mindfuckery.
AidanAK47
@Mario, I am not fond of movies where people make stupid decisions for no good reason. For example:
"We should just stay inside"
"No, staying inside isn't realistic"
WHY IN THE HOLY HELL ISN'T IT REALISTIC.
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Showed that movie to a bunch of friends last year and I remembered one of the girl just shut off the movie after 15'
SuperMario
@Aidan: too bad. I found Cohenrent really funny and entertaining. Some of their twists are stupid but I was actually invested in much of their characters. Maybe because I always love movies about a bunch of characters in an isolated setting
SuperMario
@Lenlo: sounds like Epee is the most "all-out-attack" and aggressive one. Their blades are different as well I assume?
AidanAK47
Just watched a movie called coherence and man, what a bunch a pseudo-intellectual garbage that was.
Lenlo
For Right of Way, its basically Person A attacks, Person B parries, Person A hits, Person B hits, Person B gets the point because they took right of way with the parry. Saber and Foil both have that, but Epee does not. Epee is simply "Whoever hits the opponent first, doesnt matter where, whole body is target area"
Lenlo
Theres Saber, Foil and Epee. The main difference is this thing called right of way, but there are other smaller ones like how Saber can hit with the edge and Epee is allowed to hit the entire body, instead of just the chest like Foil
SuperMario
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@Lenlo: that sounds great. From what I know from fencing there are 3 different types of blade right? So what are the differences between them? (Fencing 101 here)
Kaiser Eoghan
Although a fantasy sports thing could also generate interest, such as combining sports together to create something totally new.
Lenlo
@SuperMario, Fencing was great. Favorite sport ever and it helped me stay in shape in College. I find Epee to be the best blade, mostly cause I fenced it, but its a very intense 3 minutes. Unlike sports like Soccer and such which is alot of sustained running, Fencing is 3 minutes of Dont-Stop-Moving then wait till next match. Gets really fun once you figure out your own style.
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That Olympic anime sounds great.
Kaiser Eoghan
And it would be a good excuse to have characters of multiple backgrounds included too.
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SuperMario
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Kaiser Eoghan
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SuperMario
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SuperMario
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Kaiser Eoghan
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SuperMario
Hey, fencing is actually really cool. How did you like it Lenlo?
SuperMario
You have your point there Topgavin, as I clearly remember many instances where players' legs, backs or even necks got snapped during rugby's tackles. But in regards to Rugby I never really care about it. That and car racing
Lenlo
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Lenlo
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Topgavin
@Mario Rugby is more extreme *because* it has no protective gear. No hiding behind helmets and cushioned shoulder pads when ya get bowled over.
SuperMario
@Lenlo: I'm no expert but isn't American football a variation of Rugby? And I believe american football is more extreme, considering they have to wear helmets, protection gears and all that
Lenlo
I dont think theres alot of manga about it because its simply not that popular outside the US. As far as it being a battlefield, eeeeh? Not really? You want a battlefield watch Rugby.
SuperMario
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Anonymous504493
What other sport is cool and popular that remains original to write about by now? There isn't a lot of manga about it compared to anything else.
Anonymous504493
American football looks like a battlefield with a visible battleline and everything. Id like it if there wasnt so many darn commercials.
Lenlo
I mean, its a sport. Far cry from best, but its definitely a sport.
SuperMario
@Vonter: or maybe because american football IS the best sports ever?
Kaiser Eoghan
@Vonter: Most likely due to the middle section of the original anime being the most popular bit.
Vonter
Can someone explain me how Cobra, is apparently getting an anime around some sort of space american football? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=54kNWPr43zE
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SuperMario
Now that you watched Salo, would you recommend the film to other people? I personally think it's a masterpiece but it's one of the title that I think people would break up with me if I show them this movie
SuperMario
@Kaiser: even him as a director, both Braveheart and Apocalypto don't do much to me, will see if Hacksaw Ridge going to change my mind (but I'm not to fond with war movies in general). La Notte is in my sooon-to-watch list for years, haha
Kaiser Eoghan
@Mario: Mel Gibson as a director, not as an actor =)
Kaiser Eoghan
@Mario: Thats why I prefer the neo-realist/quasi-neo-realism stuff as it deals with the worse off in society. But Antonioni was the master of being able to do films about angsty well-off people, L'aventura, the passenger and La notte for example
Kaiser Eoghan
@Mario: Its not so much that I dislike post 50s fellini moreso I feel that his throw everything at the screen and hope what sticks method can be hit or miss.
SuperMario
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SuperMario
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SuperMario
Michael Haneke put Salo in his top 10 films. Quite understandable when you think about it. Still for me one of the movie that affected me deeply.
SuperMario
I really admire Elle for its ability to maintain its sharpness because under other inexperienced directors it could easily becomes a mess. Mel Gibson, really? He's one of the few actors that I absolutely dislike
SuperMario
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Kaiser Eoghan
Debating whether to bother catching up on I am a hero or watching the film adaptation. I haven't read it since they got rid of that one female character.
Kaiser Eoghan
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Kaiser Eoghan
Now I have that sound euphonium compilation film downloaded, I should get to that sometime.
Kaiser Eoghan
@Mario: I also finally watched Salo, I ended up meeting it pretty much halfway. Some parts still retain the ability to effect a modern viewer, having seen his other works though its crazy just how different Salo is to them.
Kaiser Eoghan
@Mario: Seeing I, daniel Blake tomorrow and rogue one in a few weeks.
Kaiser Eoghan
@Mario: I hope Mel Gibson and Isabelle huppert win at the next oscars.
Kaiser Eoghan
@Mario: I liked the red turtle for its visual style of storytelling and animation even if I didn't get as emotionally attached to it as others did. I also watched Aquarius nd was pretty much blown away by Sonia Braga's performance. Elle is now one of my favourite Verhoeven films and its a miracle he managed to maintain such a great balance successfully throughout the film.
SuperMario
I don't care for the sequel of Code Geass at all. Why Spice & Wolf still hasn't got season 3 though is what really bugged me. From what I know their manga and LNs are selling very well
Anonymous494677
I wonder why that is...
Kaiser Eoghan
Ah, they were always milking code geass though what with those bajillion-million-billion manga spinoffs.
Kaiser Eoghan
Still say I was more fond of the character chemistry in spice and wolf as opposed to everything else.
Kaiser Eoghan
I'll likely pass on the code geass sequel, the memory I have of it has already led to its appeal dimishing for me, I don't want to ruin things further watching an un-neccesary followup. Still avoiding utawerumono's second season for same reasons.
AidanAK47
After all there are things which need sequels and things which don't. And Code Geass never needed a sequel after R2's ending. Giving something a sequel can just ruin the conculsion of the orignal series. Case in point. Eureka Seven Ao. Remember that? Cause you shouldn't. Because it was terrible.
AidanAK47
Honestly I would have preferred Spice and Wolf Season 3.
AidanAK47
So...is anyone gonna mention that Code Geass is getting a sequel?
....Because Code Geass is getting a sequel.
AidanAK47
@Anon, I am watching it as well. But I am a bit behind because I am watching the funimation broadcast dub. It's a very good guilty pleasure. I don't find it quite as funny anymore but it's still pure dumb fun.
SuperMario
@Anon487524: I'm still following it and it still remains a fun show to watch. I love the way they do the fan-servicey completely straight.
Topgavin
@anon I'll admit to watching it. While it is very simple and follows the sport anime formula religiously, it's still a blast to watch every week. This is also helped because you have no expectations for it before watching other than "oh god what's gonna happen this week".
Anonymous487524
Granted, nothing special, just one of those anime whose only worth is being fun to watch without being deep, but Keijo really is fun to watch, easily the best guilty pleasure anime in a long while to me.
Anonymous487524
I started watching it expecting an crappy fanservice anime with nothing of worth, but it ended up being actually pretty fun and awesome to watch.
Anonymous487524
Anyone here seeing Keijo?
SuperMario
What's up with 3-gatsu no Lion? Delayed for a week huh?
Kaiser Eoghan
Checked out Hedeki anno's godzilla re-boot earlier out of curiousity, its a bit plodding/dull at times but sometimes its high camp value played straight is kind of funny, having godzilla evolve during the film was a cool touch and I enjoyed every scene with him and making a Godzilla film today is still very relevant. Not a patch on the old ones though.
Anonymous482380
I think that movie was just so terrible that people made it into a meme. Stuff like "The Entire Bee Movie Except Evey Time They Say 'Bee' The Movie Speeds Up"
Kaiser Eoghan
I'm sorry lmao I had to, it seemed so appropriate a moment: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-1GadTfGFvU
AidanAK47
Fun Fact: The whole Bees shouldn't be able to fly thing is a myth.
Badesh
I think that was just a dry realization...
AidanAK47
@Topgavin, It's a meme to post the entire script of the bee movie in random places?
....I don't get the joke.
Topgavin
For anyone wondering, I think anon just copy/pasted the entire script for the Bee movie. Memes are goin strong
Anonymous479946
According to all known laws
of aviation,


there is no way a bee
should be able to fly.


Its wings are too small to get
its fat little body off the ground.


The bee, of course, flies anyway


because bees don't care
what humans think is impossible.


Yellow, black. Yellow, black.
Yellow, black. Yellow, black.


Ooh, black and yellow!
Let's shake it up a little.


Barry! Breakfast i
Kaiser Eoghan
Actually I think it was up to about episode ten or so I saw.
Kaiser Eoghan
From what I can recall I watched legend of the galactic heroes somewhere past the part with the Caligula guy.
AidanAK47
That is one thing I wonder about the remake. How are they going to make the space battles interesting? Cause for me theres only so many times you can watch tin boxes shoot lasers and explode.
AidanAK47
I didn't like LOGH until the third episode. That's when it started to catch my attention. It also helps that I have a interest in history as the plot of LOGH practically reads like genuine history.
AidanAK47
In my case the overhype didn't kill it for me as I generally try to avoid that. When I walked into LOGH I was under the impression that it would ahve merit but not be for me. After all I heard it was mostly politics and the politics of Gundam bore me to tears. Funny enough the opposite happened. The space battles bored me but the politics got me really interested.
AidanAK47
@Leahcimali, The problem is that the people who say that something is the best thing they ever seen don't actually mean it. Often it's just hyperbole. When talking we other people fans tend to blow certain things out of proportion unintentionally. Overrated is likely the wrong word but you get what I mean.
leahcimali
@AidankAK47 oh and are you going to write a review about it or because psngel already wrote a review of it you are not gonna write it ?
leahcimali
the problem is trying to rank art . Even comparing a comedy show and a story focus show is clearly impossible. @AidanAK47 do you think the overhype of some hardcore logh fan killed you enjoyment of the show ? Because sometimes when you expect nothing of something you can enjoy it more than when waiting for something incredible.
leahcimali
i hear the same thing from fan of lord of the ring, star wars and game of thrones, star trek ... etc. The hardcore fan of those says that they are the greatest things in history ... but saying there are overated is discrediting the quality of those. Nothing is perfect and again maintening equal quality in a longuer running show is impossible. But having a longer story create a more rich background
LookingForKeys
@Mario Kimi no Na ha is pretty damn good. Watched it while in Japan a couple weeks back. The story has well done surprises, and on the graphics side you can *really* see Production IG worked on it.
leahcimali
I don't think saying logh is overated is a good way to say it. All media with great aclaimed critics or even highly popular show suffer from the fan reaction. If fan claim that it is the best things that they have ever saw and you don't agree, it feels overated. But this is only pure subjectivity. Saying he is greastest thing in history is a way for fan to exprim there love
AidanAK47
However it has been placed on a unreasonable pedestal that nothing could live up to. Eva is sort of in the same boat. So yes it is overrated but that does not mean it isn't great.
AidanAK47
@Leahcimali, if anything is claimed to be the greatest thing in the history of mankind it is overrated. The basic idea that there is a single anime out there which is fundamental and universally better than all other anime regardless of genre or intent is inherently a flawed concept. I do certainly see why LOGH is so highly acclaimed and I believe it is well worth watching.
AidanAK47
@Anon, I didn't look into the details of the new LOGH remake. I was planning on doing that when I am doing an anime season preview for it whenever it's going to air next year. For a long anime it does rate highly but even then I am not certain it really needed all 110 of those episodes.
leahcimali
about your comment are you thinking the LOGH anime is overated ? i ask Because you said that there is plenty of anime you consided better .
Anonymous476875
about the remake won't it be a straight adaptation from the manga remake by the artist that made shiki ?
Anonymous476875
AidanAK47 personally i really loved legend of the galactic heroes and it is one of the anime that make one of the biggest impact on me. I found it the best "long" anime that i ever seen (more than 24 ep). But comparing it to anime with shorter format is a bit hard. you can make something that have perfect pacing in 1h30 but it is impossible with a 110 ep anime.
AidanAK47
Either way I am pretty certain that all other isn't crap to me now seeing as I have seen the so called pinnacle. In fact There are plenty of anime I consider better that LOGH.
AidanAK47
There are aspects of its story which wouldn't really work by today's standards.
AidanAK47
And I did it. I watched legend of the galactic heroes. I have slain the white whale of anime. It certainly was interesting to say the least but I think the remake coming is going to have trouble. I am in between giving it a 8 or a 9 but it's clear that LOGH is very much a product of its time.
Kaiser Eoghan
I didn't really care for this weeks flipflappers, the fanservice and also it was even more trigger than I could take.
Kaiser Eoghan
@Gavin@Mario: I'll get round to your name someday but I think this might be my last chance with shinkai.
Kaiser Eoghan
@Aidan: That disgaea review made me nostalgic because I remember my friends and I playing it back when it first came out. We found it difficult but were amused by it/liked the characters.
Kaiser Eoghan
@Aidan: Are the manga posts exclusively for series with only a few chapters translated or series that came out in the past year or so? I've been reading gunka no balthazar and enjoying it enough and think it should get recommendation out there.
Topgavin
Just booked tickets to go see it on Sunday with my little sister. Was surprisingly reluctant but I know she'll like it, I've already seen it but pumped either way.
SuperMario
Your name movie has been showed theatrically here in Aus, I'm planning to rewatch it soon in theatre and then do a review on it. Is that alright with other admins?
SuperMario
so I guess the top 6 will advance to the final are: Otabek Altin (Kazakhstan), Giacometti (Switzerland), Yuri, Yurio, JJ and Phichit? Will be very cool final event haha
SuperMario
At the very least Yuri on Ice shows me how entertaining ice skating can be
SuperMario
@K-Off: have a good trip ahead K-Off. Well, it's still better than Japan (earthquake) I guess
K-Off
Well, heading to Korea tomorrow. What a time to go. In the middle of Korea's biggest financial scandal since the 80s.
Lenlo
Is it just me, or does the Yuri on Ice opening get more colorful and detailed every week?
SuperMario
Badesh, if you like to check out their other songs, give "Tunnels of Love" and "Romeo & Juliet" a listen. Though I just discovered Telegraph Road quite recently, those 2 songs are qmong my all time favorite
SuperMario
I prefer their ealier version when the band was still together (aLCHEMY 1983), but that Rome 2005 was magnificent too. Seriously with this band diifferent live versions feel like another experience... And that song is criminally under-heard in radio too, because of its running time. A crying shame
Badesh
uhh, found it in better quality. now, THAT is a fitting present for my dad :)
Badesh
well that commentator, that sounds like he's in a soccer match, will get on my nerves though...
Badesh
if you're talking about the rome 2005 version... hell, that's some sweet music. i'll inhale that for the rest of the evening, thanks for that
SuperMario
Anyone here listen to Dire Straits? I just in the mood for their music lately. Checked out the band playing Telegraph Road live the other day on youtube and I was completely stunned.
SuperMario
@Lenlo: I considered Flip Flappers 3,5,6 to be its best so far so continue on to see if Flip Flappers is your cup of tea or not
SuperMario
For me I have a lot of stuffs to catch up on this time a year, both in terms of anime and in my RL. Time goes fast as hell
Lenlo
Started watching Flip Flappers. Thought I had it figured out, then we got Mad Max going on. I may start liking it more, cause the first 2 eps didnt do much
Lenlo
Its also nearing Thanksgiving in the states and end of semester for University, so those sorts will be busier than usual.
AidanAK47
You are far too young to be reminiscing. You can build a place for a community but you can't force one to come. I for one would think it would be easier to form one if people stopped using the Anon tag. You can change your name with the customize button you know.
Anonymous469664
I remember a time when people other than site admins were regular posters. Those were the days...
AidanAK47
But I suppose watching Westworld isn't exactly a waste of time.
AidanAK47
Downside is that I really don't have a lot of time these days. It's rather annoying. The day goes by and it doesn't really feel like you did anything.
AidanAK47
On the upside, I am nearly finished Legend of the galactic heroes. So when the Remake airs next year I will have a lot to say about it.
AidanAK47
Personally I have been rather busy lately and wanted to finish off a few things. Hence why my posts have been getting later.
AidanAK47
Anyway when there's nothing on the chat box to talk about then of course it dries up.
AidanAK47
You have unfortunate timing.
Anonymous469664
All the chat regulars have left house as well.
Anonymous469664
Four days since a single post.
K-Off
Damn, I don't know if it's the layout/algorithm/mods, but so many subreddits that I used to frequent have gotten watered down as hell. Between the influx of shills and changes to the upvote/downvote system (which doesn't properly convey controversial comments anymore, like 45 upvotes to 47 downvotes. Now it shows only a -2) it's hard to find reasonable debates or find important info
SuperMario
@K-off: and for that book the last time I checked it was $110 for you guys who live US plus free shipping. For us it's $150 not incluing the postage and few weeks delivery.
K-Off
Damn, I didn't realize that it could be that bad elsewhere. The worst experience I had was when I ordered a laser pointer from Switzerland over a forum, and the cunt didn't respond for nearly 4 weeks until I threatened to refund my $250 on PayPal.
AidanAK47
@Mario, Europe. That's the difference.
SuperMario
@Aidan: yeah I got a dispatch notice saying it's shipping now. I ordered it back in September as well so I don't know why the difference between us.
Kaiser Eoghan
I remember the days where I used to be relying on waiting for anime dvds to come out locally , looking back they were really overpriced, 35 euro for 4 or 5 episodes.
Kaiser Eoghan
My opinion on FMA alchemist ended up being all over the place because I must have watched 3 episodes every few months of it, then I stopped watching it for a year, got back into it for a few months, abandoned it for months then marathoned 20 episodes in one night to get it finished.
Kaiser Eoghan
See I've been thinking over FMA lately, if you join up the best episodes of brotherhood and the first adaptation you get the perfect show.
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