Posted by psgels on 13 December 2013 with categories: Anime Reviews

Noucome! You do not want to know how long I have been waiting for a series like this. More than half a decade, at the very least. Finally a series comes along and puts the incredibly overused harem genre in its place. And it actually does it well. Thank you!

So to elaborate: the harem genre is one of the worst genres in anime, and it has been so for about a decade now. The worst part is the sheer amount of series that have been made of it. They give anime a bad name and the vast majority of them just completely sucks. Over the years of course, enough attempts at parodies have appeared.

The problem with these parodies was that they weren’t really parodies. They’re just harem shows with their tongue in their cheek. When you have this mentality though, you only make things worse: you’re not funny, and the tongue in the cheek is just an excuse to put in even less effort into your writing because any flaws can be overlooked this way. A lot of parodies make this mistake and just adhere to the things they’re trying to make fun of, and with the harem genre this resulted into one giant mess. The only successful series so far probably was Ben-To, but that was just a really well executed series first and foremost.

Noucome though, goes all the way. This series finally aims to highlight the stupidity in the harem genre, and it finally aims to really make everything about it look ridiculous to show what so many series nowadays are getting away with. It finally takes the usual tropes like the quiet girl, the ditzy girl, the energetic girl, the student council, and with some great jokes and its premise shows how bad these things are. The protagonist is wonderful in fully acknowledging what a horrible person he is while this show keeps finding ways for him to enact generic harem scenes, and take them to the ridiculous. For that effort alone, I applaud this series. Because it has a lot of flaws, unfortunately.

Like most series, this series does lack an editor. The writers have great ideas, but other ideas are just plain bad. For example, everything about the main female lead (the one who falls from the sky) just doesn’t work: where all other characters are meant to highlight the flaws of their stereotypes, she’s just the generic dog-like girl with no brains and a huge appetite that we’ve seen millions of times before. She gets old really fast.

Second, it’s unfortunate to see that the writers can’t keep up their wit for the entire run of the series. With only 10 episodes, this is delightfully short (a comedy really does not need to be long!), but even then the second half has a few bad episodes, and especially the last arc is a pool episode that, while still containing some good jokes, is also full of pointless repeated boob-jokes that don’t go anywhere and an incredibly rushed and hacked ending that doesn’t really resolve anything. It’s a really clear example of the creators not knowing whether there is going to be a sequel, and therefore they try to include a bit of both, resulting in a really big mess of a final episode. It’s a shame, because there really is comedic gold in good endings, yet the amount of comedies that actually go for this can be counted on two hands. Another problem this series has is that everyone and his dog conveniently gets anmnesia when the writers need it the most. It’s passable when done once, but the writers just keep relying on it.

Nevertheless, Noucome first looked to be a series with the worst premise you could imagine. It turned out to be the biggest surprise of the year for me, and especially the first half was pretty much the best way in which such a bad-sounding storyline could ever have been animated. Can we now kill the harem genre. Please?
One-Sentence Review: The first harem parody that actually is a parody. Terrible ending though.
Suggestions:
Ben-To
Touka Gettan (Also not really a parody, but another great example of how to spice up the harem genre)
Aquarion Evol

37 Responses

  1. Flawfinder says:

    If this anime was a short, it would have been way better. Gimmicky-series like this should not have full-lengths.

  2. psgels psgels says:

    Yeah. The last good episode was I think episode seven. The problem though is that the episodes after that could have been good, but for some reason this show just stopped being a parody and played straight again.

    • Juno says:

      Episode 9 was my favorite episode simply because it pitted the tropes against each other in a way that was so over-the-top, I couldn’t help but laugh. And that episode ending. The beginning of episode 10 ruined it (actually, all of 10 was pretty mediocre), but it still gave me the kind of feeling in which I realized, “This is a lot more serious-funny than I originally thought it was…” XD
      Biggest surprise of the season for me, too.

  3. Scruffy says:

    I think the best thing about this series was how it took the piss out of the little sister trope. Now THAT is a trope that needs to die in HELL! The ending pool episodes were meh but still overall it was a laugh.

  4. brianwuzhere says:

    I liked the pool episode if only for the Unlimited Blade Works reference, but I’ll agree that it started better than it ended.

  5. Mazz says:

    I fucking love this show, but I do admit the ending was bad. It reminds me of the ending for Baccano!, just badly done. The only episodes that were bad IMO were the last episode and the episode before the pool scene. Everything else was golden if you ask me. Still, 7 or 8 funny episodes out if 10 is a hell of a lot better than any other comedy I have seen.

  6. Cytl says:

    I’m surprised to see how some random, exaggerated humor can create the illusion of a “parody” where there is none. Maybe it’s just people fooling themselves into thinking that they are not watching a, very enjoyable, yet generic and otaku-pandering show.

  7. AidanAK47 says:

    I think Cytl has a point. I do think it is a pretty funny show but I would hesitate to call it a parody. For one it’s not really taking potshots at harem cliches. If anything it’s fully embracing them. The only characters mocking traditional stereotypes of the genre were the little sister and the ojousama.The Moe girl didn’t really mock the stereotype and never did the genki, idiot girl or the kuudere.

    I wouldn’t mind a season 2 though if light novels have taught me anything it’s that after volume one…it’s all downhill.

  8. Nyangoro says:

    While I wasn’t a fan of this series at all to begin with, I have to agree with Cyti and Aidan. There was no parody in this series. From episode one, it operated on randomness and kept people interested (and laughing, presumably) with its high energy and non sequitur humor so in your face that it would have made Tracy Jordan double take. I didn’t find that it actually parodies any of the tropes, but rather went so far with them that they became even harder to take seriously than they already are, which led to them feeling like they were poking fun at the tropes.

    But yeah, this is an opinion coming from someone who never like the show to begin with, so take it for what you will.

  9. Juno says:

    Nah. I’m going to meet halfway with psgels and Aidan and the others. I don’t think the series meant to actually parody the tropes, but it still did a heck of a job in many places where it mattered. Taking the trope further than believable can be a bad thing (and I had a hard time trying to figure out why these bad trope exaggerations were still making me laugh so hard), but here, the trope exaggerations never affected the main character, and were only ever acknowledged by the common minion students in the anime–the throwaway fodder meant to almost represent mindless otaku. And as generic as it sounds, it was executed well. And that’s what I think made it a parody. It was almost “trying” to become a harem anime, but rejecting it cleverly enough that we could still consider it a parody by its core.

    • Cytl says:

      I don’t want to be too much of pain in the ass, but I’m not too sure how the series supposedly was “trying to reject” being a harem when pretty much every single plot point and device were all used in getting the main character romantically involved with the girls.

  10. Yourdream says:

    If Psgels hadn’t said so, the parody and satire-related jokes in the anime would have completely went passed me. In all seriousness, while I watched this anime I didn’t notice any of that. To me, it was just another harem anime, but it was really funny. Particularly the first three to five episodes were incredibly hilarious. I was really pleased that the anime kept up its humour so well for so long, especially after watching both Hataraku Maou and Servant x Service, both animes with ridiculously funny opening episodes that fizzle out immediately. However, this anime also started to lose its edge, and by episode seven or somewhere around there I wasn’t laughing much at all.

    Also, since nobody else who agrees with me wants to say it, I will: I like harem animes. It’s obvious there’s a lot of people out there like me who also like them since so many harem animes are made. I started anime watching a harem anime in Maburaho and I’ve watched countless ones since then. Yes, there’s a lot of terrible harem animes, but there’s terrible animes of every genre. Good harems, like Kami Nomi, Seto no Hanayome, or even Love Hina are enjoyable. Harems can be good, and plenty of people even like the bad ones. I hope animators continue making harem animes forever.

    • AidanAK47 says:

      Kami Nomi and seto no Hanayome are not harem animes. They are comedies with harem elements.

      Harem is a genre which to me has untapped potential. With a good writer you could turn a harem into a excellent drama with many twist and turns. However Harem anime in general don’t want to show the dark elements of love and prefer to focus on the fluffy and clean parts of first attraction. The reason to it’s popularity is that such a childish fantasy sells. Just like sex sells and Michel Bay movies sell.

      • Scruffy says:

        Well there is always School Days with it’s ‘Nice Boat’ ending :)

      • Nyangoro says:

        Harem works better (or more easily) in the visual novel medium. The fact that it allows choices and allows you to select each pairing separately makes it easier to flesh out each route and tie in more winding elements into a single narrative. It’s the possibilities that make the harem genre work.

        It’s harder to portray those possibilities in anime where you are typically telling a linear story, so they tend to go with either one main line, or try to throw together as many smaller elements of multiple lines as they can. Then you add in the fact that a lot of harem series are made because it’s the trend (and therefore even more burdened by corporate demands) and you have a difficult time finding really good examples in the medium.

        I think a good avenue to create a harem anime would be to use a non-linear style where each week or two sets it from the stand point of one of the girls, seeing it through her eyes instead of the guy’s. In fact, it might be better never to see it through his eyes directly.

        I think Amagami tried to do something like that, but then failed by forgetting to make any of the characters interesting `3`

      • KaZuHiRo says:

        Steins;Gate is also, technically, a harem. So is Elfen Lied.

  11. Malkuth says:

    In order to enjoy a satire, one must be familiar with its subject. Therefore I understand why the reviewer and many commentators here didn’t get the humor. Nonetheless, technically the staff did great work with a limited budget, and indulging in self-sarcasm allowed even narrow-minded viewers to watch and enjoy it.

    • AidanAK47 says:

      Is it just me or does Malkuth’s post sound really condescending?

      • Malkuth says:

        That purely depends on you. You don’t feel patronized by statements like: “the vast majority of them just completely sucks” because you agree with it, while on the other hand, if you didn’t you would be offended. I don’t mind either way, and try to pay attention to what people say, not how they do so.

        • AidanAK47 says:

          My friend, before lecturing others you should take note of your own demeanor. No matter if you have a point or not, if you say it like a condescending asshole it’s downright rude.

          Either way you give the impression of someone trying to sound more intelligent than he actually is and aren’t really saying anything truly insightful. If anything you seem to just be insulting other people.

  12. Mazz says:

    I don’t know why it matters whether or not it is a parody. If you found it funny, it was good, if you didn’t, it wasn’t good. Period. Personally I found the little sister to be hilarious, the choices to be funny, and I liked a lot of the random, non parody humor the show had to offer. Whether it was a good parody or not is irrelevant if it isn’t funny imo.

    • Cytl says:

      It’s just an stimulating discussion after a watching something (a bunch of “I liked it” and “I din’t like it” would be quite pointless to post). Most of us who don’t think it was a parody even liked the show.

      • Malkuth says:

        Self-sarcasm is a tricky thing. Being able to recognize and be critical of your own shortcomings through humor is objectively a good thing, because it exposes the underlying self-awareness of the creator(s). Whether one likes it or not is subjective and has nothing to do with the item, but the individual judging it.

        • Cytl says:

          In this case, the very same presence of a “self-sarcasm” is quite subjective apparently. I just don’t see it.

        • Nyangoro says:

          I don’t know if I’d be so quick to call it objectively good. Because that implies that self-awareness is objectively good, and I don’t think that is always the case. Sometimes you don’t want something to be aware of how unreal it is, because that breaks the immersive experience. With comedy in particular, I certainly wouldn’t say that every comedy series would benefit from being self-aware.

          • Malkuth says:

            Being self-aware helps the staff to have greater control over their creation. Whether they choose to exploit it for satiric or even sarcastic purposes or hide it for a more immersive experience is their rational decision, rather than an accident (which is the usual case).

            In any case, whether one likes either approach or not depends on individual preferences, rather than technical details mentioned above.

  13. Thorben says:

    What an interesting discussion this anime has started. It is easy to relate to the points made here now that I have watched the series after reading psgels review: There was some great humour in the first seven episodes, but even then it was clear that the series was taking itself and the premises of the harem genre too serious. Many scenes were over the top, but for a parody I would have wished to see a more deconstructionist approach to the characters. Although there were some interesting attempts as with the Imoutou character.

  14. Hogart says:

    I think we’ve probably passed the point of over-analysis and gone into the realm of quibbling. Shaun of the Dead also embraced the zombie genre – did that mean it wasn’t also a parody? Not all mockery is hateful and bitter. Similarly, Noucome isn’t primarily be a parody, but enough of its humor is parodic to justify classifying it as one. Besides, the entire harem genre is practically one giant self-parody at this point so I fail to see the need to quibble over that – because it’s also a relatively good specimen of the genre, and we don’t want to reduce it to simply being labeled a parody?

    • Nyangoro says:

      It doesn’t have to be hateful or bitter, but it does have to mock, discuss, or downplay the object of parody in order for it to be a parody. This series didn’t do that, it just indulged in it to the extreme. I suppose you could consider the extreme nature a source of mockery, but I see it less as that and more as merely the source of the comedy.

      • Hogart says:

        Hmm. I can’t say that I agree, but then I might just be remembering things. Such as a dig at Monogatari, a distinct feeling that they were mocking the hell out of TWoGK with Chocolat, and so on. But in the end, the very premise itself mocks harem anime: the lead has utterly no choice but to be a harem MC, because the gods (writers) won’t let him be anything else.

        • KaZuHiRo says:

          How about that Shaft reference? I find it extremely hilarious that I burst out laughing (not many series can do that). And that Maria-sama reference was golden too.

          • Malkuth says:

            First of all there is no more a harem genre in the sense it existed back in the ’90s. Most modern media targeting young adults feature a variety of supporting cast of the opposite sex for commercial purposes. It’s a side-effect that they share tropes with old school harem media, not an objective. You can think of these tropes as the evolution from the opposite sex equivalents from shounen and shoujo. Being gentle one can say it makes storytelling and character development more natural, while the haters can point fingers to untalented and lazy writers.

            Second, NouKome takes jabs at galge and their players first and foremost, not harem anime (both in their restricted and generalized definitions). IMHO it succeeds where KamiNomi and Seitokai no Ichizon failed, by having a protagonist frustrated by the the choices the games provides, while the other two dissociated the viewer from the protagonist. In NouKome the viewer is the player, while in the other we have a third-person perspective. Of course, this works much better in the original novel form, because in the anime first person narrative is very hard to work out with the majority of viewers.

        • Hogart says:

          @Malkuth. But it’s clearly jabbing at more than just galge, too. I’ll grant that calling harem anime a “genre” is silly, but that’s the word that’s been chosen by the gods of online groupthink, just like “fanservice” has become limited to just being about nudity/pantsu.

          I’m just impressed that Noukome is generating actual discussion, even if it seems like the least productive discussion I’ve had in months :)

          • Malkuth says:

            No, NouKome storytelling devices, character concepts and development are deconstructing galge. That was the inspiration and main concept around which it expands the content, branching to related themed satire.

            Now harem, fanservice, and other misconception are just superficial groupings that american distributors used in order to promote quantity over quality. In turn this estranged a lot of fans that didn’t grow up with false dichotomies.

            In any case, it is hard now to discuss anime like NouKome seriously, because most viewers stop thinking after the first pantyshot of the second girl that speaks. On the other hand, critics, bloggers, and viewers overanalyze anime that don’t, whether they worth it or not.

  15. Remember when Bokusatsu Tenshi Dokuro-chan was a “brilliant self-aware deconstruction” of horrible anime like a million years ago? Do you think that if people just deconstruct harem anime hard enough, they’ll be forced to stop making it?

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will be seeing what kind of flaws Ash has. Also, I think this way of characterizing him also fits into the narrative. This strength that Ash has is what pushes his gang members away and see him not as a normal human, but a "king."
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Anyways, not to hate on Ash because he's still a fantastic main lead and anchors the whole show. It's just that because he loses sometimes I push some of the problems of his perfect characterization to the side, but when you actually think about it, he seems more like a character than a real person.
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@Animemosh: lol I have daily political discussion with my Marxist-Leninist father just like that =)
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@Animosh: I thought the anime did such a good job with Shio's backstory , that I didn't miss what was omitted. The anime is now up to date with the scans. I do agree that Satou's obsession with Shio is non-pedophilic but I think the scene itself is kind of going to give the wrong message.
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@Animosh: one of the many reasons why I would have prefered Banana Fish's original setting.
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I get what they're going for, recreating the ritual and all, but I also thought the Shio-Satou moment was a bit forced. I still think their relationship is platonic though. Satou has never been shown to lust after Shio: she just fills her with warmth and happiness. They're more like messed up siblings than (romantic) lovers.
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End of monologue. Sorry about this. :p
Animosh
Long story short: I think the Banana Fish conspiracies fail to adequately represent the current situation. At the very least, it fits the Cold War world order much better.
Animosh
That includes the US (backing the Kurds and the rebels), but also Turkey and the Arab states (Sunni rebels), Russia and Iran (Assad), and so on and so forth. You can't act like this is the fault of one party. Hell, I'd say Russia and Assad are more responsible for failing to a peaceful resolution when they had the chance.
Animosh
As for Syria, it's a mess, but the US is only one of many parties responsible. And oil isn't particularly important in this conflict. It's a civil war that's been made much worse by the influx of money and weapons from many different parties vying for regional influence.
Animosh
So what does it do? It gives military and financial backing to militias with shared interests (which is much less than Russia does, by the way), orders drone strikes, and perhaps the occasional tactical strike. But overthrowing countries and setting up puppet regimes? I don't see it happening. That's basically declaring war on the other big powers.
Animosh
And even when it does intervene militarily, it rarely goes all out. The US has learned from Iraq and Afghanistan. It doesn't want to be dragged into another endless conflict, or see its efforts end in another brutal civil war that destabilizes the region.
Animosh
So although the US occasionally still intervenes militarily in other countries' affairs, other means of pressure are now more popular. The sanctions against Iran and North Korea are a good example of this.
Animosh
The current landscape is much more complex. America is still powerful, of course, but relatively speaking it is in decline, and that means it can get away with much less. Today's world is closer to a multipolar world, with many sides fighting for influence. And because the ideological conflict is much less pronounced, the US is much less willing to go against its purported values.
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Animosh: Coincidentally I recently watched a series of Chilean documentaries regarding the murder of Salvador Allende and the installation of the Pinochet Junta.
Animosh
And that meant both that America was far more powerful than it is now, and that much more intervention was considered acceptable - including shamelessly backing dictators that oppressed and exploited their people. After all, a defeat meant evil would prevail.
Animosh
Obviously the US still interferes in other countries. Quite a lot, actually. But there's a big difference between its current policy and that during the Cold War. Back then the geopolitical landscape was very different. It was bipolar, with two big Isms (capitalism and communism) fighting it out.
Animosh
@anon: not sure if this is the right place for a political discussion, but whatever. I like politics, so here we go.
Kaiser-Eoghan
*was no exception
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Animosh: If, out of the many moments in happy sugar life that I'd consider unsettling, it would be the one's with the aunt and this weeks episode was an exception. That last part of the episode will be interpreted as shoujo-ai bait by people though.
Kaiser-Eoghan
Looking forward to Angels of death next week, I think we're getting answers, glad to get answers on bad guy even if he is a simple villain.
Kaiser-Eoghan
Now this is an interesting coincidence as last night I just got done watching a documentary about cyberwarfare against Iran.
Kaiser-Eoghan
Thats alot more detailed than what I was going to say. I was just going to say that it reflects current foreign policy.
Anonymous2808488
however the current stalemate in Syria is a reflection of the intransigence of the monied elite to not let go of ill-gotten gains, constantly provoking conflict with Russia/Assad/Iran
Anonymous2808488
Its a documented fact the US/EU promoted the Arab Spring/ISIS rebellions and it was stopped by patriots with a conscience
Anonymous2808488
replace with the mexican cartels/Hezbollah, and oil money promised to Cheney-connected Genie enerrgy
Anonymous2808488
its a pretty accurate description of the current reality minus a couple silly things like the mafia and mind control drugs
Anonymous2808488
You guys realize this plot is unfolding in Syria just replace drugs with oil money
Lenlo
Its hokey in the now, but in the original context the series was written, the Cold War, I think it could fit really well.
Animosh
@Kaiser: what felt awkward to you? I thought the pumpkin stuff in particular was pretty hilarious. Eiji is an evil guy. :p
Animosh
Yeah, the conspiracy stuff feels a bit wacky in the present. But in the context of the Cold War, it makes perfect sense. The USA supported plenty of bloody coups after all, especially in Latin America. Hell, they even backed the Taliban in their war against Russia.
Kaiser-Eoghan
In the future I want to make a bigger effort to follow MORE of whats being covered on here seasonally.
Kaiser-Eoghan
http://kissmanga.com/Manga/Red
https://manganelo.com/manga/red_naoki_yamamoto Two history manga, wonder if they'll be fully translated.
Kaiser-Eoghan
I imagine most will probably agree with you anon though. I have alien taste/opinions. I also love conspiracy stuff =P
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Anon: Originally, in the manga version of that part, it was attacking communism in south America.
Anonymous2805624
I don't know; I kinda find the whole Middle East stuff a bit hokey; maybe that's just me.
Lenlo
Im about to watch it. Looking forward to it
Kaiser-Eoghan
I know its only one line, but that they still mention skip and shorter, even its just their names, at least the show keeps them in mind.
Kaiser-Eoghan
With episode 12, Banana fish has successfully contemporized its political/cospiracy aspect for me . Eiji is semi-uselful. Humour in this episode for the first time feels awkward, fast pace kind of means that the quieter slower scenes , though I still enjoy them, feel slotted in.
Lenlo
Most of my emotions this week came because of the original and my love of it, not this one
Lenlo
I agree, Steins;Gate 0 had all the potential, and there are some specific episodes that realized it. Like this episode had a lot of touching scenes cause it slowed down to play up Okabe's relationship with Amadeus. But most of the time, it fails to reach that potential. So as a whole it just feels... lacking
Kaiser-Eoghan
Plebs, not combining both into a single dessert.
Anonymous2802297
I'm talking about that sweet saccharine Chocolate Mousse, the Ganache, or the Chocolate Gâteau. Your puny muffin stands no chance. Mwahaha!
Anonymous2802297
Blasphemy. As a proud American, I can't stand for anything less than pure unadulterated diabetes-inducing sugar in chocolatey cake form. Anything less is an insult to my great nation. /s
SuperMario
@anon2801739: that's a nice analogy but I can't say I agree as I prefer chocolate muffin much more than chocolate cake :)))
Anonymous2801739
Steins;gate 0 is all potential but generally it's wasted. Whenever it actually seems promising they manage to jump plot points to boring nonsensical melodrama for a century. It was supposed to be a chocolate cake. Instead what we got was a muffin with tiny chocolate chips buried few and far between. Yeah it's still sweet at some points, but most of the time you're chewing through pointless fluff.
Lenlo
Like I said in my last post on it I think, the pacing is fucked
Animosh
I did like that the lab members finally acted like scientists again, methodically thinking through their options and all, and there were some pretty touching individual moments and nicely tied up ends. But mostly I'm just annoyed by all the unfulfilled potential of this show.
Animosh
I also hated the backtracking in the beginning. Don't make such a big deal of The Return if you're going to throw it out of the window in the next episode.
Animosh
I really don't understand Steins;Gate's pacing. It slows down to a trickle in the largely irrelevant middle part, and now that things are finally getting somewhat interesting again it just speeds through everything without building things up properly? I don't get it. And how on Earth are they going to resolve everything satisfactorily in one episode?
KTravlos
Reinhard (old series). Ash is interesting and depicted well, but not close to Reinhard. There is something noble in Reinhard, something beyond charisma.
Anonymous2797046
In a charisma battle between our two favorite Blond Boys (doing what blond boys do), who'd win: Reinhard or Ash?
Kaiser-Eoghan
Kind of felt this is what prelude penultimate episode/calm before the storm episode should be and I liked quite liked the ginko and souya scene, but I'm still eh, I shrug at this.
Vonter
After watching some more Star vs. the forces of evil. I'm getting Jitsu wa Watashi wa vibes. The Sailor Moon-like character episode was cute.
Kaiser-Eoghan
The bullying arc in sangatsu made me want to shootup the school.
Lenlo
I will admit, the family life stuff is less engaging than the crippling depression, but I dont think that would hit as hard with out the relaxing bits in between. Dont want to overload the audience.
Anonymous2791561
3-gatsu no Lion has its ups and downs; its ups are the intense emotional drama or shogi matches, while it's downs are the more relaxed slice of life food porn stuff. When I say up and down, I don't necessarily mean good and bad, just more about the intensity. I personally found that I could enjoy both styles, but sometimes I'd find the slice of life stuff dragging on.
SuperMario
Well, I regard 3-gatsu as one of the best character-writing in this medium in recent years. As for shaft, I'm their fan but even me was worried when I learnt Shaft adapting this. They did a nice job thankfully
Kaiser-Eoghan
Though I was glad that the comedy becomes more reigned in later on.
Kaiser-Eoghan
I got used to the tonally discordant humour eventually, accepting that the show essentially exists in two plains.
Kaiser-Eoghan
In tsukiyomi moon phase Shinbo made some of the shots look like photos, which was cool given the protaganists profession. Their weird style also was a good fit for an oddball show like Zetsubou-sensei.
Lenlo
I just finished the 4th episode, and so far I am torn on Akari. Im still not sure what to make of some of these relationships. I love the permeated depression theme in every episode though.
Kaiser-Eoghan
I wonder if it will get a third season.
Kaiser-Eoghan
I want Akari to be my mom.
Kaiser-Eoghan
Hmmm only 9 out of 13 volumes adapted, which means the anime hasn't adapted the best bit.
Kaiser-Eoghan
Unfortunate that the sangatsu manga doesn't update often.
Kaiser-Eoghan
While I haven't seen it, I heard that vocaloid thing shaft adapted was very poorly suited to their style.
Lenlo
If a drama can actually make me feel something, actual emotions, then its a success. But it takes a pretty good, well made drama to do that.
Lenlo
I am very particular about my Drama'
Lenlo
Im planning on burning through the whole thing in the next few days. Maybe then ill try the manga, since there is probably more
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Lenlo: I didn't think your lie in April or sangatsu would actually be your thing. They're very drama-ey.
Lenlo
Basically im with Kaiser on this one. As for Shaft, I am very show by show with them. I couldnt stand Nisekoi, yet Sangatsu's color palette and way of drawing faces really has me
Lenlo
See, so far it has a very Mushishi/Fune wo Amu/Your Lie in April feel to me. I love these kinds of things animated, because I feel the music and color-choices really help set things in the mood.
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Mario@Lenlo: We can be Kanabros for life all three of us ;)
Kaiser-Eoghan
But in general I do think shafts style lends itself at its best to more comedic work.
Kaiser-Eoghan
I actually felt that shafts style elevated their adaptation of Sangatsu. I find it easier to watch these slow paced shows than reading them. Also Kana Hanazawa.
SuperMario
Shaft's style can be a hit or miss with the audience, however. While I don't mind that, I still would recommend you try the manga instead
SuperMario
Oh, so you still have, like, 40 episodes left
Lenlo
Huh. Finally got around to March Comes in Like a Lion, gotta say. 3 episodes in, its pretty good
Kaiser-Eoghan
Speaking of it though, I wish they'd get that proposed new Vampire hunter D anime off the ground.
Kaiser-Eoghan
Though my memory on this is extremely fuzy.
Kaiser-Eoghan
Y'know, I saw an article there on anime news network referring to the second vampire hunter D film, I know I watched it years and years ago, loved it, but I forget the plot, thinking about it now, how was the dude D was after supposed to survive without blood after buggering off to space alone with the girl?
Anonymous2786239
Amen to that
Anonymous2785164
I read blogs to see opinions on anime, not to read about how blog writer is much better than some youtuber I probably have never heard of :D
Anonymous2785164
Anyway, don't any of you guys let that get up to your head :p I'm also annoyed whenever media producers start mocking each other and setting themselves up as better.
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