Posted by AidanAK47 on 29 December 2016 with categories: Anime Reviews, Currently Watching:, Occultic:Nine

I am certain this may seem like an extreme rating for some but the number scale always has been something I only carried over as part of psgels format. But this rating exemplifies my feelings about this show in its entirety. This show is awful, terrible, rage inducing, illogical, nonsensical garbage. Watching this show was one of my most unpleasant experiences watching anything. When I started this show I at least thought it couldn’t be as bad as Robotics;Notes, for that show was truly something else when it came to bad writing. But I was flabbergasted to see that this show was so much worse. To the point where I may swear off watching any colon series from this point forward.

The plot of this show is a complete mess and looking at it in it’s entirely it not only makes no sense but the only points where the story goes anywhere is at the every beginning and the very end. The middle portion of this story is nothing but a giant waste of time as the characters only work to try to figure out a mystery that would eventually be explained to them and side plots which are introduced but have not plot relevance whatsoever. The main middle part of this story involves a murderer who not only has little or nothing to do with the main mystery but is dropped and never mentioned again once his little arc is through. The characters are all either unlikable or stereotypical and it’s important to note that they do mostly nothing besides motormouth exposition. Design wise they are not very interesting and need I mention the girl with a chest so astronomically huge that it is incredibly distracting? I do not mean that this is attractive, I mean that this girl’s anatomy is so utterly ridiculous that it’s like having a giant elephant in the room that no one seems to address. I will say as well that his character does nothing but try to figure out every motion she can make to move her breasts as much as possible and make me question how her back hasn’t snapped into splinters. She plays a stereotypical dumb blond joke until the last two episodes. Where she is pretty much lobotomized and replaced with a completely different character.

What the mystery becomes in it’s final episode is something you could swear was parody but the show itself is clear that it wants you to take it completely seriously. It tries to tug at your heartstrings when the characters are talking at a speed of bullet trains. Out of the nine characters mentioned in the title, only two are actually relevant. The rest are just throwaway side characters whose absence wouldn’t hurt the show, if anything it would shorten the runtime and make it more focused. It becomes impossible to take even an iota of this story seriously when it pulls out deus ex machina like those angel wings you happen to see in the screenshots up there. Isn’t that utterly ridiculous for a story that want wants to be an intelligent mystery series? Well if you find that hard to swallow I assure you that it’s the tip of the iceberg. This story has twists and turns that just make you wish to yell at the top of your lungs “WHAT?!”

The direction is a nightmare. Want to know how bad? You need not take my word for it, just watch the first thirty seconds of the very first episode. I assure you that by the time you get back to this review you will be very confused. I have no idea what the director of this show was thinking as screenshots have no logical cohesion with what is being represented. A large number of times our protagonists will suddenly start talking rapid fire like a bakemonogatari series before reverting back into normal speech. There is an episode filled with so many dutch angles you will feel physically ill just from watching it. There is a scene where the camera spins 360 degrees in place for three straight minutes. There are camera shots flipped upside down or 90 degrees for no apparent reason. Sometimes spacial awareness is just thrown out the window and you have a giant girl speaking to a small boy in a close up shot when they are supposed to be on opposite sides of the room. I must ask if they director went to film school because it was almost as if he wanted to make this show as painful to watch as possible. For that I truly pity the animators who do a stand out job despite what they have to work with.

There are some who say that at least this tried something different but I say no. Magical Girl Raising Project tried something different and while it didn’t succeed, at least the end result doesn’t make me want to claw my eyes out. You can say that someone tried something different by making a coffee mug out of monkey feces but it’s still shit no one wants. This writer has passed the point of being applauded for experimentation so it’s an insult to give him kudos for fan fiction level writing. So without surprise I am sure, I recommend you avoid this anime at all cost. Pay no heed to those claiming it’s good, they are clearly blind. Save your brain cells, don’t even watch it as a joke because I assure you that this series will go out of it’s way to make sure you can’t get any fun out of it. I declare Occultic;Nine to be the worst anime I have ever seen and if you are wise you would heed my words. Don’t waste your life on this flaming trashcan of a show. I have wasted far too much of my time on it already.

21 Responses

  1. Firechick says:

    Wow. Didn’t think I’d ever see a 0/100 rating in all the years I’ve been coming to this site. I always thought that Shinzo movie would be the king of crap on here. I haven’t seen this, nor do I want to. My personal worst anime that I’ve ever seen was a stupid little PSA OVA called Ijime, and I feel that one is worthy of a 0/100 rating more than anything.

    • AidanAK47 AidanAK47 says:

      As I said in the review, its a pretty personal rating. There are anime objectively worse but to me this is the worst.

    • Anthony Wu says:

      Change in authorship means change in the numbers.

      I’m sure psgels would have rated it above a 0/100, had psgels continued to maintain this blog.

      That said, the show is pretty clearly garbage. I’m one of the folks who finds it a pity that the experimentation didn’t pay off, but I agree with Aidan – at some point the writer tipped over the scales of trial and error into pure error territory.

      I’d recommend that anime geeks watch episode 1, and then stop. It tells you everything you need to know about whether breakneck pacing works or not for you. If for some reason episode 1’s trainwreck makes you want to watch more, you’ll probably like the series. Just don’t watch more on the premise that maybe it’ll get “better”. It definitely does not. It stays just as confusing, just as filled with tell-don’t-show, and the characters are just as prone to shouting randomly.

  2. meow says:

    Just throwing in my two cents here. The only part about this review I agree with wholeheartedly is the motormouth exposition. This story was on fast forward, trying to squeeze a very long, complex story into a single season, which, as expected, caused some derailing. I’m not ready to call it a full train wreck yet though. I did enjoy it more than Chaos;Head. It helps that I was already expecting some of the twists of this mystery, having already seen the likes of Robotic;Notes and Steins;Gate. Setting up a supernatural horror while in fact intending for a contemporary sci-fi mystery. It’s nothing that breaks a lot of new ground but I could follow the plot somewhat, including the purpose of the dutch shots to raise tension in an otherwise mundane conversation. The creators wanted the audience confused, to keep them guessing. We saw this technique in stuff like Hyouka too. The pacing there was much slower but I admit there I only could figure out what the story was talking about after watching the whole thing to it’s conclusion and then tracing back. I blame my poor Japanese. XD Hyouka’s pacing was, of course, much slower but stuff talked about in one episode would come around to explain itself again somewhat later is seen again here. I did like the occult plot twist later and I found it good that all the pieces left behind in previous episodes would come back to form a full picture in the end, with some deus ex machina to force some pieces in. I wouldn’t put this show on the same level as Hyouka though. And didn’t hit the high bar Steins;Gate set. But it wasn’t bad for me. It’s just a real pity that they had to squeeze way too much into too little time. I suppose a cliffhanger season ending mid-story might not have worked. I don’t think we have any complaints on production values, which I thought were top notch. Did anybody play the visual novel on pc/playstation? Any comparison between the two mediums?

    • AidanAK47 AidanAK47 says:

      This show was based on a light novel with only two volumes out currently so saying they have no time is no excuse. There is a game coming at a later date. But as I said, it doesn’t matter if you give this more time because the mystery is broken, none of it makes any sense. You say you have difficultly following it, well I could follow it. Hence why I see so many more cracks in the veneer. If you actually sit down and think about it, nothing in this story makes any sense.

      • meow says:

        No I didn’t have difficulty following O9. There was only one major surprise for me a third of the way through when they started hearing their names on tv. I was comparing it to Hyouka, which did get me confused. I wasn’t aware the game wasn’t out yet. Could have sworn I saw a VN version out on japan’s playstation store way back when.

        O9 has a bizarre unreal premise to be sure, much like inventing a cellphone that can send sms messages through time but it seems to hold together for me.

        Nonsensically unrealistic, sure but well, not more so than a boy travelling to alternate fantasy dimensions to battle witch cultists, etc. It’s not terribly hard to swallow. The only real issue I have is that it’s on fast forward. The characters are literally speed-talking, trying to get their nuances in while also pushing a rather complicated plot. There’s not enough time for the cake to set so it’s coming out half-baked. They rushed to many plot points out, including stuff like the spiritual time limit to snap back in time with the right stimulation and somehow self-resuscitating 10 minutes after actually drowning. Would have liked a long scene on that alone of a touch and go situation of one or two of those characters struggling to resuscitate, succeeding and dragging the rest to safety. Sigh. If they just had more time to get the pacing right…

        But there was enough good stuff in there to make it an ok show for me. Well, to each his own, i guess.

        • AidanAK47 AidanAK47 says:

          No Meow. No. I am not saying this story makes no sense because it has supernatural elements. Fiction doesn’t have to be realistic, but it does have to be feasible. What I mean by sit down and think about it, is for you to sit down and think about why the characters in this show do what they do. Then you will see how little sense this show actually makes.

          Why did the evil organization kill over 200 people to test some chemical when they could have grabbed some cultists or homeless people and test without causing a media frenzy and the need for a massive cleanup? Why did Ryo-tas wait until the very last minute to reveal herself to Gamotan? How in the hell did that little boy overpower people and turn them into raspberry jam? How did he even drag them to his secret underground lair without anyone noticing? Who the hell even built it and why? Even if you try to explain this stuff it could only come across as either contrived or nonsensical.

          I refuse to give this show any merit. It’s trash.

          Lastly: “Nonsensically unrealistic, sure but well, not more so than a boy travelling to alternate fantasy dimensions to battle witch cultists, etc.”
          Really? You jump right for the obvious comparison to try and make me rethink this? Choosing this is just weak mate. Might as well throw in a comparison to Fate/Stay Night while you are at it.

          • meow says:

            Wow. You’re really pissed at this show. XD Okay. Okay. I’ve said my piece. But to answer some of your questions…

            Why did the evil organization kill over 200 people to test some chemical when they could have grabbed some cultists or homeless people and test without causing a media frenzy and the need for a massive cleanup?

            This scene got the audience to sit up and take notice. Very high dramatic effect. Like a bomb going off down the street. Something serious is happening. This isn’t a school occult club looking for the 7 Mysteries in Town anymore. It worked for me. And who guessed it would be a set up for the next whammy. How many of you guys guessed that there was something strange about how the reporter’s colleagues completely ignored her? Or the detective, for that matter? And btw, they did experiment on their own. At least two characters were children of key personnel. They were under observation for years to the point where one of them had a code name because of his abnormal properties. The moon bar was a special observation platform just for him along with techs at hq that could instantly tell every time Gamotan got a shot from Ryo-tas’s Tesla pistol. The rest were probably randomly selected residents within the same control area. Notice how conveniently they could all be disposed of at the same spot, instead of 200 mysterious deaths all over the country. Remember, one of the objectives of the experiment includes mind control over living people. I’d say they had that down pat cos they managed to get 200 people to unconsciously commit suicide.

            Why did Ryo-tas wait until the very last minute to reveal herself to Gamotan?

            Dramatic effect? Needed Gamotan to gather enough pieces on his own so they could get their objectives to align enough? Ryo-tas had to rely on the mysterious radio voice to coerce Gamotan into doing some waaaay out things, including extracting the tooth out of a murder victim’s body. Would Ryo-tas laying all the cards out from the beginning have worked? “Gamotan, please go get this really important gadget out of this newly murdered guy’s mouth to save the world. Pretty please? You can touch my boobs.” Remember how frustrated she was when Gamotan refused to go out to look for Miyu.

            How in the hell did that little boy overpower people and turn them into raspberry jam? How did he even drag them to his secret underground lair without anyone noticing? Who the hell even built it and why?

            Cookie cutter serial killer side plot? There’s any number of ways for this to work. Helps that the victims are all young girls who see no harm in walking down dark lonely alleys alone in Japan, maybe? Do you watch Criminal Minds? There’s like a new serial killer every week. Honestly, I didn’t really want to know the gory details. I think this whole side plot was to flesh out the whole cursed box legend to get under the audience’s skin. That there were multiple previous boxes was probably just added shock value. The guy was collecting cursed boxes like cardfight vanguard cards. Gee…nice picture they’re painting there.

            Not sure about the secret room under the monument. Is that terribly important? Maybe they just wanted to invent a fascinating fiction about there being a secret facility under a famous real-life monument for dramatic effect? A lot of the story seems to be based on real urban or folktale legends. That whole cursed box tale sounds authentic somehow cos it’s presented like it’s common knowledge.

            Happy New Year 2017. Looking forward to a lot more Fate. Btw, ***SPOILER***: That furry in FGO showed up in a different form in Tsukihime. You will probably hate it even more after you find out who/what it is. Even harder to swallow than o9 maybe.

  3. Vonter says:

    You mean to tell me this show it’s worse than Cross Ange!? :O

    I wonder if at some point the internet will have a reverse score system distinguishing from the enjoyably bad, to the irritating, to the boring and to the worse of all, the offensively bad.

  4. Jedman says:

    I bet psgels would have liked this.

    Just because you don’t understand something doesn’t mean that the show is bad or that other people won’t enjoy it.

    Ive been pleasantly surprised I actually quite like this show.

    Just goes to show how a lot of Anime reviews are overly subjective and people shouldn’t judge things without trying them themselves.

    • AidanAK47 AidanAK47 says:

      Sigh…yep, and Psgels never liked bad shows before.
      Just because I don’t like a show or a show being poorly written doesn’t mean I didn’t understand it. And no matter how bad an anime is there is bound to be someone who enjoys it.

      “Just goes to show how a lot of Anime reviews are overly subjective and people shouldn’t judge things without trying them themselves.”

      That’s common sense though it’s unreasonable to try everything just on the off chance of it being your thing. So it’s better to not base your judgements solely on one opinion. Generally if a lot of people don’t like something then there’s a good reason for it.

  5. jedman says:

    Fair enough, but 0 out of 100 though?

    Even if you don’t like this Anime you can’t deny the Art and music are both pretty decent.

    I just feel like most Anime fans are overly critical and negative to the point where if I went by most peoples opinions, the majority of Anime is considered bad and I wouldn’t watch anything.

    A lot of people just jump on the hate train without giving shows a chance, if an Anime is flawed in even the smallest of ways people start hating on it despite the fact it may be mostly good.

    It’s like most Anime fans are highly negative people who complain and hate on everything they can.

    • AidanAK47 AidanAK47 says:

      To quote the review: “I am certain this may seem like an extreme rating for some but the number scale always has been something I only carried over as part of psgels format. But this rating exemplifies my feelings about this show in its entirety.”

      I get that objectively it’s not the worst anime in existence but on a personal level I have never hated a show so viciously like this one. I did not enjoy this, not one bit.

      Opinions on the internet are often one of two extremes. It’s either the nectar of the gods or the abomination of creative thought. There isn’t really a middle ground because the middle-ground is hard to truly hard to form an opinion on. Hence why you wouldn’t see many defend a show that’s flawed but has some good points.

      Best not to take it too seriously. Those that spout hate like that are often playing it up in order to be funny or just to vent out frustration. It’s not just anime fans that do that, frankly it’s fans of anything.

  6. Jedman says:

    I don’t understand how you can watch 12 episodes of something you don’t like lol, I would give up a few episodes in.

  7. Jedman says:

    I kinda enjoyed this but felt a bit frustrated by the fast forward pacing towards the end. The story really could have done with a lot more space to breathe. So it is disappointing how rushed this was, still not the worst Anime ive ever seen just very rushed.

  8. Jedman says:

    I agree with what you said about how it tries to tug at your heartstrings when the characters were talking at 100 miles an hour, I don’t think I felt anything for the characters due to the fast forward pacing.

  9. movies4life says:

    Well, I disagree with you guys.
    I try lots of time to watch the first 3 episodes because I fall in sleep and the characters who met in a bar were boring and stupid and make no sense (Student detective?)e
    But after the third episode, they find out that they all died, dead and lost souls where nobody can see them.
    Later they find out that the time goes differently for them.
    I spoil the story because your rating let people, not them self-decide.
    I GET ENTERTAINED, and that’s what important.

    • AidanAK47 AidanAK47 says:

      You spoil the story for people to get people to check it out for themselves? You just ruined two of the biggest twists the series has to offer, what reason do they have to check it out now? To find out the explanations behind those twists? Cause believe me the logic behind them makes no sense and is just really goddamn stupid.

  10. movies4life says:

    …..But entertaining…

  11. Jedman says:

    Spoilers are not cool.

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Vonter
I don't know why, but I thought you were talking about Tomorrowland. That Disney movie that bombed and everyone seemed very lukewarm about. I suppose because I don't know exactly what was the problem with it, didn't see much discussion about it.
Animosh
@SuperMario: I think I've seen World of Tomorrow, but not 100% sure. There's apparently a second part out though, and I definitely haven't seen that!
Animosh
And Umfeld (https://vimeo.com/umfeld) is also worth mentioning. It kind of consists of shorts, it's technically animated (at least in part: it mixes real footage and CGI I think?), and it's definitely weird. It's a very polarizing work though. I love it, but it wouldn't surprise me if most people here hate it.
Animosh
Some other things that came to mind: Tim Burton's "Vincent" (it's stop-motion, but whatever), Loom (https://vimeo.com/24069938) and E-Baby (https://vimeo.com/25435555). And the stop-motion shorts by Lee Hardcastle are pretty fun, if you're in the mood for some needlessly disgusting horror.
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Mario: I enjoyed embrace of the serpent which has the same director as Birds of passage so I'll keep an eye out for it.
SuperMario
@Kaiser: I'm going to see Roma and Birds of Passage this weekend. Really excited for both
Kaiser-Eoghan
As for the she-ra thing well, as I've gotten older I probably have avoided kids stuff more.
Kaiser-Eoghan
I don't want to see tokenism being seen as acceptance when it isn't, it feels that people are putting forth the idea that something is only being/can be accepted because its being portrayed in a tokenistic way.
Kaiser-Eoghan
Its fine, obviously to have strong female characters, Ripley in Alien, Sarah Conner in Terminator, awesome....Rey in star wars....no.
Kaiser-Eoghan
I think too often shows and films, American ones today, are tokenistic or clicheed with inserting issues, merely just throwing them in or tacking them on for the sake of ticking boxes rather than any earnesty or doing anything.
Anonymous3086853
@SuperMario - I do. Yet at the same time it was a bit outside of my comfort zone, watching something like this considering that (let's be honest) msot shows are men oriented. Even the ones with great female characters. This one despite having tomboyish girls is mainly about these girls with male characters having supporting roles. I suppose that's were the uneasiness lies in my case.
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Mario: Just got done watching both earlier, his dark humour jives well with me and I liked the concept.
SuperMario
@Kaiser @Animosh: if you haven't seen World of Tomorrow plsssss check it out. I can't recommend it highly enough
SuperMario
@Vonter: Maybe it's a good things that shows for general audiences like this have queer context. Don't you think?
Anonymous3086853
Also because I'm a bit immature, this show is kinda gay. There's a lot of ship baiting moments, one same sex couple in the last episode and rainbows, pastel colors, emasculated male characters and some female crossdressing.
Anonymous3086853
The weakest aspect is that several secondary characters get lost in the shuffle. Kinda like Big Hero 6 in which the team had personalities but just didn't had the time to develop in any meaningful way. Still both the main cast and villains were good and like I say the protagonist and antagonist had strong arcs for a first season.
Anonymous3086853
So I now finished watching She Ra, and it got even better as it was building towards the season's end. Thes strongest aspect is the rivalry between Adora and Catra, the chemistry is very strong, kinda like Optimus and Megatron or Xavier and Magneto. In which both parts seem equally capable and to have mind games with the other.
Kaiser-Eoghan
Oh hey cool, rain town is done by the Penguin hhighway anime movie guy.
Kaiser-Eoghan
It looks like I haven't seen Don Hertzfedlts World of tomorrow films.
Kaiser-Eoghan
Also Prince Achmed and How Wang-Fo Was Saved.
Kaiser-Eoghan
Ah. yes, thanks animosh, I had a look at Rain town there, I like the style it was done in, it achieves the emotions its trying to convey well without needing dialogue, piano score actually helps rather than hinders.
Kaiser-Eoghan
Glassy ocean, that was another short I watched lately.
Kaiser-Eoghan
Oh inka isha is country doctor.
Kaiser-Eoghan
I know Mario has seen this style on animation, but anyone else see any oil on glass animation?
Kaiser-Eoghan
I actually prefer robot carnival to genius party but liked both.
Kaiser-Eoghan
Zepo, The Pride of Strathmoor were recent animated shorts I watched.
Kaiser-Eoghan
Recently I watched two shorts, death and the mother and pleasures of war.
Kaiser-Eoghan
I'd say any eastern european short films would be worth anyones time.
Kaiser-Eoghan
I'm not familiar with rain town or Inaka Isha .
Amagi
Kaiser: Have you seen Inaka Isha from Kafka?
Animosh
In the meanwhile, though, I'd also be very interested in recommendations! The shorts I mentioned are among my favorite animated works, so if you know anything similar, please let me know. :)
Animosh
For western animation I really like the Don Hertzfeldt shorts. And there was this short called "Rain Town" that was really impressively animated. I'm sure there were others, but my long-term memory is pretty lousy. If something else comes to mind I'll let you know.
Animosh
I'm pretty sure you're already going to be familiar with all of my favorites, but here you go: Morimoto's shorts are all fantastic (Dimension Bomb, Beyond, Noiseman Sound Insect, etc), and two others that come to mind are Cat Soup and Kigeki (or Comedy) by Nakazawa. There are also some great collections out there (like the Genius Party ones), but again, you've probably seen those already.
Kaiser-Eoghan
If anyone has any suggestions for weird short animations, I'm looking for excuses to watch some more and I'm in the mood for them.
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Masky: Mario's youtube link had cgi models of rem and ram in the video.
Masky
I'm confused when was Rem even mentioned
Kaiser-Eoghan
I only ever watched he-man and stuff related to it in passing when I was younger, Conan was more my thing back then.
Kaiser-Eoghan
For so long I'd always referred to she-ra as she-man.
AidanAK47
@Mario, What is this heresy!
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....Rems always cute.
Anonymous3084910
Hilda is fine, though is very laidback kinda like a young reader's novel. It has its moments but its fantasy with slice-of-life coming of age.
Anonymous3084910
@SuperMario Yeah I know, She Ra is the twin sister of He Man. But strangely it seems Dreamworks may not have the right to those characters. It was a marketing idea trying to bring more girls to that universe but like most girls show from the time it had a very flat depiction of what little girls want to see.
SuperMario
Sorry Aidan, I know it's blasphemy but I have to post here. Enjoy the OP song with the twins https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v9MUjISNm0U&index=4&list=PLU56jBSlcHw8-ol9Hi4lJ0GR0tU6EOf2a
SuperMario
I'll probably check out Hilda. Heard a lot of hypes about that show
SuperMario
@Vonter: I've heard of She-Ra, she's the female counterpart (well, sister) of He-Man (the most powerful man in the universe and the secret identity of Prince Adam). Sounds silly but I'm not even kidding
Vonter
All in all, despite not being a big thing, I think is an enjoyable recommendation. My only nitpick is that it maybe too light hearted for some kinda like above My Little Pony but below something Voltron. Also despite being less childish than the original is still kinda of girly with lots of pastel colors although it balances it a bit having girls being more tomboyish in different degrees.
Vonter
Like with Voltron it amuses me seeing anime tropes being played through western lens. Since I'm a bit hesitant to say that could this count as a harem series despite not being male gaze moments? Also having the most sensible hotspring episode I've seen.
Vonter
In this one this She Ra has pathos. A bit like Korra there's doubt in her role and also a complicated relationship with her rival. I do like the role reversal in the knight's tale this clearly is, in that most roles that would be played by men are played by women in this story. Matriarchy, displacement of both femminine beauty but also empowerment.
Vonter
So I've watched some of the new She Ra from Netflix. So far I'm in, it's not deep but it's quite charismatic. I do like there's more pathos in regards to these characters which pretty much were confined to their archetype to an extreme like the original Power Rangers.
Kaiser-Eoghan
It manages to make watching something like running engaging, when I'd otherwise probably not watch the sport. Also, last week the show ended up popping into my head when I was sitting around doing pretty much nothing and made me think "Ok fuck it, not sitting around doing nothing, going to go out for a run around the block"
Lenlo
I also agree, characters losing in sports is important. They can't start at the top, it makes the series lose meaning
Lenlo
I quite enjoyed Kaze Fui this week. I think your correct that the one who got the reality check was Kurahara, who thought he was the only one able to actually make it. I also thing that he has a competitive streak a mile wide, and might be a little afraid of failure. Doesnt think the team can make it, so why bother
Kaiser-Eoghan
Think I wasn't i the mood for honda-san this week even though I laughed.
Kaiser-Eoghan
Y'know I like it when sports series actually show the characters you know...actually lose.
Anonymous3083989
Huh, interesting in this episode of Kaze ga that it's Kakeru who got a reality check during the track meet since he was beaten by two other runners. I think we're due for an episode soon where he has to confront his past demons instead of fleeing from them.
Anonymous3083626
@Kaiser-Eoghan - Aging in fiction, I think has more to do with the story than the characters. I mean the jokes about Ash Ketchum, Detective Conan, Archie. The Flinstones tried to make different stories by aging Pebbles and Bam Bam. Or Batman having two Robins graduating into their own heroes. But in the end dynamics change, hence why most cartoons don't age the characters.
Kaiser-Eoghan
Which is why when aging does occur in anime/manga, such as in vinland saga or nanoha for example, its appreciated.
Kaiser-Eoghan
And of course, animated characters often don't age much.
Kaiser-Eoghan
I can remember enjoying the simpsons movie back when I watched it, but thinking about it it really was just an extended episode. Really the show peaked with the who shot Mr Burns episode. Catching bits of recent episodes and seeing them use modern stuff while they never age seems weird too.
Amagi
I do think series are allowed to move forward though, I am kinda interested in the Pkmn movie for example. But certain shows should just end, Simpsons for example was a parody of the 90s, it just can't work in a more modern setting IMO.
Amagi
I stopped with the Simpsons when Maude was killed/died, it was just a step in the wrong direction they should have never done and it killed the series for me. I disliked it before already though, I think I noticed the series getting worse since season..9? Or 10, not sure anymore.
Amagi
Anime for Dorohedoro announced.
Kaiser-Eoghan
Therefore ruining the fanservice fun for everybody.
Kaiser-Eoghan
My favourite beach episodes are ones where it rains and they end up not being able to go.
Kaiser-Eoghan
After that it was just the film for me.
Kaiser-Eoghan
Actually, regarding the simpsons, the episode I stopped on was sometime in the early 2000s, Homer was stuck on some island resort or something.
Kaiser-Eoghan
I suppose it was just as much a case of falling out of watching/playing too and then there being so many episodes/games catchup was impossible. I probably should read the manga someday.
Anonymous3081957
@Kaiser-Eoghan -Kinda like Sponge Bob, Power Rangers or The Simpsons, I can't blame those who move forward, It's imposible for a show to go that long without losing steam. I did check the Sun and Moon first season and while I think the personality and energy is better it doesn't exactly push the concept forward. Still somehow Pokemon is still a phenomenon.
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Vonter: Very strange hearing a Pikachu talk with Ryan Reynolds voice. But my days of pokemon are behind me.
KyokoHyuga
?????
KyokoHyuga
who likes pokemon here
SuperMario
@Amagi: I think the person who made the sub for Maquia did a pretty neat job. Not perfect but the translation flows well
Vonter
We've seen realistic Pokémon fanart, but how does a movie looks when it attempts it. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q8CKgQFo5U8
Amagi
How are the subs for Maquia? I only heard anons complain about it.
Kaiser-Eoghan
*dealing with
Kaiser-Eoghan
Though you should really torrent it.
Kaiser-Eoghan
There is 1080p stream on kiss anime, if you hate deal with the ads on that site the 4up stream on anilinkz has the best quality of the available links
Lenlo
Where did you see Maquia online? I still need to watch it. PM it to me on discord maybe? Pretty please? <3
SuperMario
One fact that not many people know is that Penguin Highway is penned by Tomihiko Morimi. It indeed has many Morimi's signature inputs
SuperMario
This year, I'm doing well with catching up anime films (kudos for Australian's Madman who always license these titles very quickly). So far, I've watched Mirai, Maquia, Penguin Highway, Let Me Eat Your Pancreas and My Hero Academia the Movie
SuperMario
So I watched two anime movies this last week, Penguin Highway in theatre and Maquia online. Both of them are pretty solid in general, especially Penguin that has magical realism elements and some great chemistry. Whereas Mari Okada's writting still rubs me in the wrong way sometimes
Lenlo
D: He did, back in August actually apparently
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Lenlo: I heard Dino's voice actor died.
Kaiser-Eoghan
If we all took Goblin slayers attitude to trolls, then we would more easily ignore the trolls =P
Kaiser-Eoghan
Big twist in the golden kamuy manga.
Animosh
@SuperMario: remember that in the voice drama Rikka mentioned talking to Yuuta in their classroom during the ball game. Pretty sure it's about that.
SuperMario
@Animosh: i just watched the episode and noticed the lyrics as well. "The Promise" seems vague at the moment. Could be between Yuuta and whoever fits but I agree the "save someone from boredom" is about Akane
Animosh
You learn something every day. ;) Honestly though, I actually skipped the opening, so I hadn't even noticed that it had been translated until others pointed it out. And most of the time the lyrics are just cheesy one-liners, so I usually don't pay much attention to them either. But once in a while there's some nice hints hidden in there...
Kaiser-Eoghan
Y'know I never really ever paid attention to the lyrics in anime openings, I'd never thought to.
Animosh
The Gridman OP has been translated for the first time, and there's some pretty interesting reveals in there: it mentions a "promise" made in a classroom (so now we know how Yuuta and Rikka bonded in the past - glad it wasn't a simple confession), and talks of "rescuing" someone (presumably Akane) from boredom. So I guess she'll join the good guys eventually?
Lenlo
1200 words. I need to stop writing so much.
Kaiser-Eoghan
I haven't seen last weeks episode of Irozuku or this weeks =< I'm waiting now for a bit to see if the series paysoff.
Animosh
Goddamn those magic segments in Irozuku were stunning! It's a shame its humdrum drama can't live up to its visual beauty, but I'll take it.
Kaiser-Eoghan
I think Ash's design is based a bit on River phoneix.
Kaiser-Eoghan
Sorry Eiji but your Ash is in another castle.
Kaiser-Eoghan
@CoolerAnon: I was about to say that. Kidnapping gets used alot in shojo.
Anonymous3072040
Yeah Ash is basically Princess Peach
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Anon: I share your concerns, I don't know what studio is doing it. Some people want it to be mappa, some don't want it to be polygon pictures to adapt it. Its and long and violent manga, with some very funny at times dark humour, it could end up rushed and/or censored.
Anonymous3072021
As much as I love Dorohedoro I'm unsure if I should be happy or worried at it getting an adaptation, it isn't exactly the kind of story I imagine being easy to adapt well.
Lenlo
Yeah, I am touching on that in my writeup as we speak. The compressed story is causing Ash to be captured every other week.
Animosh
I agree Banana Fish was great this week though! My only gripe is that I'm getting sick and tired of seeing Ash get kidnapped again and again. He just escaped a couple of episodes ago! And he's just a lot more fun to watch when he's out there doing stuff.
Animosh
In a way the fights actually feel more realistic to me than those in Banana Fish. Sure, they're fantastical, bizarre even, but its battle system has a clear internal logic, and generally no power is infallible (each has its limitations). In Banana Fish the fights are rather poorly thought out by comparison. Their purpose is more to make Ash look cool than to give him realistic hurdles to overcome.
Animosh
@Kaiser: what sets Jojo apart from other battle shounen for me is how ridiculously creative its fights can get. Part 2 already shows some signs of this, but the introduction of the Stand system in Part 3 pushes it to another level, and in Part 4 the fights are consistently awesome. There are no simple beam struggles here: every fight is a battle of wits, between people with wildly different powers
Niel
Vinland Saga anime, and Now Dorohedoro just got announced. i'm really liking this trend.
Lenlo
Lots to writeup on Banana Fish this week.
Lenlo
Just finished it, I really like Blanca.
Lenlo
Because Jackie Chan and his stunt crew are some of the best in the world. There is a reason he has to insure his guys from his own pocket. No agency will take them
Kaiser-Eoghan
I have no idea how the hell Jackie Chan is still alive.
Kaiser-Eoghan
Action works best for me when I really feel that theres danger involved. Thats why when some actors do their own stunts, you can fear for the actors life, and also the character.
Kaiser-Eoghan
And thats why I'm a big fan of all that Chinese martial arts stuff from the 60s and 70s, that really expertly crafted chereography.
Lenlo
As for action, I like good choreography more than any super powers. Its why Cowboy Bebop, Seirei no Moribito, Sword of the Stranger and some Naruto fights are fantastic.
Lenlo
Im about to watch this weeks episode, so this chat makes me hopeful. I agree Ash and Eiji are the backbone of the series, and yeah me and Kaiser both agreed that the Gang war aspect was pretty weak, though I thought the finish with Arthur wasnt half bad
Kaiser-Eoghan
And I think Banana fish has a great grit to it for this reason.
Kaiser-Eoghan
I'm even more thankful to Banana fish too for that it keeps the action within the bounds of out of fantasy.
Kaiser-Eoghan
I've always been kind of a guns and swords and kungfu gut.
Kaiser-Eoghan
Black lagoons great example of anime action I can get behind.
Kaiser-Eoghan
I always found weapon combat and fist/kicking combat more raw and real,tangible than beamspam.
Anonymous3070972
But yeah if you're not a fan supernatural power fantasy action shounens, then maybe not your cup of tea, and that's totally cool
Anonymous3070972
Oh also if I'm recommending a fight from part 4, I'd say check out Highway Star
Anonymous3070972
Kira is a pretty cool villain though; he's always underpowered compared to the main heroes, but manages to somehow get out of the situation with luck or smarts; if nothing else, I'd recommend watching some Youtube clips
Anonymous3070972
*Turn off. lol.
Kaiser-Eoghan
Its more than, even when I was younger supernatural power fantasy action shounen never appealed to me.
Anonymous3070972
Admittedly JoJo always has bad with exposition though, and always will be just due to the style, so that can definitely be a turn on for some people
Anonymous3070972
If you like slice of life with hijinks and a murder mystery combined with cool battles, you'll like part 4
Anonymous3070972
Yeah I can see why you might not like part 1 & 2, they were made in the 80s; I'd recommend part 4 and part 5 (ongoing rn) tbh, I feel like those are better for a modern viewing experience
Anonymous3070972
I used to think that BF's greatest strength was the plot; know I realize it's really about Ash & Eiji's connection first and foremost: as good as the plot can be, Ash & Eiji's relationship is absolutely the backbone.
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Anon: Also that scene where Ash is thinking to himself, looking over Eiji.
Kaiser-Eoghan
Nah, I pretty much gave up on jojo midway through part 2.
Anonymous3070771
Also, anybody notice Blanca's VA is Kira (from Diamond is Unbreakable)? What a wonderful duwang!
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Niello: The producer guy Miyano is voicing, much like the show is irritating because the show has this "look at me look at me" feel to it, it just comes off as desperate to me and this is just going by the one episode I watched and hated.
Anonymous3070771
What's that damn piano song that plays when Ash and Eiji are talking about Japan. It's too good. For some reason, it's really magical
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Anon: I was the one who said that.
@Niello: You don't need to see steins; gate zero, myself and lenlo discussed it to death as it was airing, its all over the place. I like the original too but after a while of the first half being fun, I just wanted it to start.
Anonymous3070771
Phew, great episode of BF; whoever said the gang war stuff was the weakest point was right. this stuff is getting fantastic again.
Niello
Also I agree, Zombieland first episode was amazing, second episode is still rather great, and then the other episodes have just been meh.
Niello
In Zombieland it doesn't help that the character he's voicing with that tone is an asshole, which isn't a good combination because it's making him more annoying by the episode.
Niello
Steins;Gate is pretty good, but I don't think I like it nearly as much as most people do (I gave it a 7/10). I also haven't bothered with Steins;Gate 0. And although I didn't mind Myano in Steins;Gate, I didn't particularly like his voice there either.
Kaiser-Eoghan
I love the sombreness of Blanca's character. Poor Ash, so broken in this episode.
AidanAK47
Yeah after episode 2 it's been a downgrade. Zombieland is still alright to watch but it really has become what it parodied.
Vonter
Zombieland sadly has winded down. I mean it was expected but still I was hoping some more creative attempts to use in the typical genre. It'll have been better if they had waken up more slowly in order to flesh the archetypes a bit more. It still has charismatic moments though.
Lenlo
Really Niello? See, I like it because it's the voice we never got in Steins;Gate 0. Its Okabe's Kyouma voice, and I have a nostalgic love for it
Masky
Wasn't gyary isekai another one that existed?
Niello
I hate Miyano voice in Zombieland Saga and find him annoying tbh.
Kaiser-Eoghan
I am getting sick of self aware humour though. I see this show as something that was fun to make (such as Miyano seems to be feeling based on performances) but not fun for me to watch and that kind of extends to the manager who while I agree would be the best part of the show, I stopped finding funny after the joke was done.
Lenlo
For me, the main selling point of Zombieland Saga was always Miyano. I love this mans crazy voice.

And in regards to Isekai, discounting this most recent one, SAO actually is pretty good this season so far. Kirito is still bland, but its taking things a lot slower and actually building the world. Its taking its time with 52 episodes
Kaiser-Eoghan
By the sound of it, if some who liked the first episodes don't care for the ones beyond those two episode, then I'm glad I stopped watching.
Kaiser-Eoghan
I did flick through episode 2 but the rap battle thing was particularly awful.
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