Posted by AidanAK47 on 19 July 2017 with categories: Game Reviews

In the Visual novel fandom there are certain titles referred to Kamige.(God(ly) games) I previously thought the term referred to the best the medium has to offer but in recent times come to realise that a game can be referred to as a Kamige while not necessarily being the best. So Kamige as I understand it are Visual novels which stand out from the rabble and sadly many of these cannot be experienced by those of us who don’t speak Japanese. Fortunately due to the efforts of localization companies we now have several Kamige on the way. Baldr Sky, Subahibi and more are coming. Thus the first to grace our shores is Dies Irae and believe me that it wasn’t easy. As a backer of the kickstarter I watched this thing go through hell to reach our shores, from horrible mismanagement of the kickstarter to the embarrassing moment where Dies Irae had yet to reach it’s goal when a Nekopara anime kickstarter running at the same time raised one million in funds. It was dark days, truly dark days, but now we have it. A title once called untranslatable and forever out of gasp is in my hands. Now having played it, what do I think of Dies irae?

Dies Irae has four main routes and five side stories and while this version has the option to lock you into a girl’s route before starting a new game, I highly recommend that you don’t make use of it. I used these buttons to lock me into each girl’s route and encountered a glitch where I couldn’t unlock the final side story due to having missed dialogue in choices. So I recommend you use the common route button and get to the girls routes using a walkthrough. On that note as a very important rule of this visual novel is that while you can chose any girls route from the start, you should complete the girl’s routes in the following order: Kasumi, Kei, Marie, Rea. The reason for this is that later routes expect you to know knowledge from previous routes and playing them out of order can leave you confused as to just what is even going on. More importantly is that Rea’s route is clearly the finale of the entire story so playing it first would lose it’s impact. The strict route structure is a bit of pain, in particular as the quality of the story goes from worst to best. However it is interesting to see events of earlier routes subconsciously affect events of later routes. Things which previously didn’t make much sense or felt out of nowhere take on new meaning when you take into account the matter of eternal recurrence. But alas, what is the story of Dies Irae? It’s difficult to go into detail without spoilers but lets say it starts with a matter regarding a serial killer which evolves into a full blown battle which pits our main protagonist Ren against a group of superpowered nazi’s from the remnants of World War II known as the Obsidian Round Table.

The story has 13 chapters where the first 6 or 7 are of the common route which is free to play on steam. From there it deveres into one of four main heroine routes, which with their own outcome and storyline. The story has been called a hybrid of Hellsing combined with Fate/Stay Night and to a degree that is true. The psychopathic Nazi’s are certainly reminiscent of Hellsing as well as the relevance of rule of cool above all else. For make no mistake when i say that Dies’ Irae story is ridiculous and logically falls apart if you aren’t willing to roll with it. For example, in this visual novel hundreds of people die and yet at no points does the government or army interfere with whats going on. The explanation to write this off is that when these Nazi’s kill someone they devour them completely, leaving no trace. However if hundreds of missing persons reports were coming in within a week then people would be asking questions. At one point even an entire school’s student population is wiped out and yet there is not a single word of the aftermath. It’s clear than on this aspect you are just not supposed to think about it too much. Now the Fate/Stay Night resemblance comes in some of the characters, the general story setup and weapons which happen to be famous historical instruments. Indeed there is a cavalcade of references and I am sure quite a number slipped over my head.

The common route is mainly there to set the stage and things don’t really get moving until you get into a heroines route. As stated before, there is a strict recomended order to these routes you should follow so I will give my impressions of each. Kasumi’s route is ultimately the weakest of the four as for the most part you won’t have a clear picture of what exactly is going on and Kasumi’s character just comes across as lacking. I understand that she serves a purpose in symbolising the ordinary life that Ren desperately wishes to reclaim but as a result she is doomed to the role of damsel in distress. She gets the most screentime in the common route and her basic personality could get on peoples nerves if you are not into genki girls. The route just lacks closure as half the villains don’t even show up and the route as a whole thing ends inconclusively. It’s more or less a route to set the groundwork for the other routes. Kei’s route fares better but as a heroine I found her to be a lesser Rin Tohsaka. Her basic quirk is being a tsundere and the only thing that really separates her from that is her connection with the villains. I never found her compelling or likeable as a protagonist and as an antagonist. Her attraction to Ren seems forced at best as it’s the old “They fight so that means they are madly in love” song and dance.

Much like Kasumi’s her route also ends inconclusively but works better as it has more exciting fights and a finale with more at stake. Marie’s route is a contender for best route as it has a much more conclusive finale and some truly outstanding moments. Marie as a heroine though again came up short as her personality was non existent up until a certain point where she made a jarring change into another character completely. I am willing to give her a pass though as I have a serious thing for long haired blondes and she’s right in my strike zone. Finally Rea’s route acts as a fitting finale for the entire visual novel as it’s undeniable the most epic ending of the routes. Rea possesses the best personality of the main heroines but doesn’t get much in terms of romantic development which makes her romance the weakest. I would place this route below Maries as it takes a bit too long to get started and while the finale had some truly phenomenal set up, the final conclusion was a bit of a let down. Disappointing as Rea’ route is the only one with two endings and both concluded rather abruptly. Overall Kasumi’s was the weakest, while Kei’s was third best and Marie’s and Rea’s close in terms of enjoyment.

Dies Irae is very much a story supported by its strong character cast as it possesses one of the strongest villain casts I can think of. Each member of the Obsidian Round Table has great characterization from the psychotically bloodthirsty Willhelm, to the playful sadistic Rusalka, to the emotional manipulative Trifa, to the steadfast loyal Eleonore, to the utterly batshit insane Schreiber…each one monstrous in their own right coming with their own personal desires and history. All lead by the lording charismatic Reinhard and the enigmatic Mercurius. It’s is not an exaggeration to say some of the best parts of this Visual Novel are due to the quality of its villains. So it’s such a shame that the protagonist team fall very short in comparison. The main protagonist Ren’s motivation mostly boils down to him wanting to return to a mundane uneventful life and I find he mostly contributes false bravado and typical shounen one liners. However much like Eren Jaeger of Attack on Titan, I find he fails more than he succeeds and even when he succeeds it seems less do to his own efforts and more due to random Deus Ex Machina. Aside from him and the heroines though we have the saving grace of the protagonist team and their names are Shirou and Ellie. These two are the best. Both are thrill seekers who entered this whole affair just for the excitement of it. They have no powers and face off against ridiculously powerful monsters with nothing but balls to the wall recklessness and ingenuity which makes their fights some of the best in the story. Shirou once remarks that he should have been the main protagonist and he’s certainly right as he is Ren’s polar opposite. He seeks to break away from the mundanity of life and seek the new and exciting regardless of how insane it may be. He’s a man who first introduces himself to this story by proposing a fistfight to the death with Ren just for the heck of it. He’s absolutely out of his mind and boy do I love him for it. His foil Ellie is equally mad and when these two get together they can make for some comic gold. As a result despite the main protagonist and heroines being lackluster, it’s made up by the strength of the rest of the cast.

The writer Masada Takashi has a writing prose which could be hit or miss with people. There are points when it really comes together and excels the story but his long winded descriptions can bog down the action scenes as dialogue is separated with paragraphs overly descriptive text. At times as well it can be hard to understand which is most evident during the conversations between Reinhard and Mercurius. But mayfair, perhaps my consciousness is trapped in the ghetto, ravaged by the chase of delights temporal and fleeting through the vast base of mundanity and hardship. For much like Bey and Hrozvitnir, casting aside chaining morality to obtain ubermensh feels a delusion worthy of dissolution. Memento Mori, for I fear the Reaper and seek the eternal. Well..if you just read those last few sentences with a giant question mark over your head then congratulations. You now know what it’s like to read a conversation between Reinhard and Mercurius. Honestly there were times I just had to stop reading just to try and comprehend just what these two were even talking about. In essence the overly dramatic prose can resemble the ramblings of the various chuunibyou characters in anime for as well acclaimed as this visual novel is, it’s is still a chuuni visual novel. Characters tend to debate more than they fight and every superpower unveil is preceded by a nonsense chant in german.

Many of the lines in this you could get a chuunibyou character to speak and it wouldn’t sound all that different from their usual made up nonsense. The artwork is quite excellent despite it being a product from ten years ago and it certainly gives the impression that the artist was aiming to make characters look as cool as possible. Sadly this is offset by the interface as while the general options are fine, the big problem is the text box with the terrible purple and red gradient. I have no idea whose bright idea it was to make it that colour but there’s no window colour options so you are stuck with it. Might not be too bad if it just stuck to the bottom of the screen but when the perspective shifts to other characters than Ren then the box covers the entire screen and obscures the artwork. Therefore I wholeheartedly recommend that you turn down the window transparency on this thing. Music overall was fine though I admit to it not really being to me tastes. One or two songs stood out for me but otherwise I would deem the soundtrack passable. However I do think that other would disagree with me on that greatly and I can see why.

Thus I find my feelings mixed when I completed it. For every great thing Dies Irae accomplishes, it comes with something bad to counter it. It has a magnificent cast of villains but the heroes characterization is lacking. The action set pieces are epic confrontations but more often than not end in deus ex machina or anticlimax. The writer’s prose can be enlightening and poetic but also incomprehensible and intrusive at times. It doesn’t go out of it’s way to treat the reader like an idiot but lack of explanation can leave the reader confused to what is going on even in the late stages. Each route builds upon the other in a interesting way but the visual novel is massively long with the opening routes being the weakest. There are things I truly love about Dies Irae but just the same there are things I really hate about it. Thus when completing it I found myself in two minds over whether it truly was a great game or a disappointing one. In conclusion I have found that it was a worthwhile and unique story to experience though at times tiresome to get through. The game is currently on Steam and you can play the common route for free to see if the story catches you. Then you can buy the rest of the game through the DLC. For those with the time to read it I say it is worth your time though like myself you may find yourself not quite satisfied with the result.

5 Responses

  1. Vonter says:

    Does the name have any significance? Isn’t it a classical music piece? Also I didn’t catch, perhaps skip it, but is there an overarching theme? I think both Fate (Zero) and Hellsing it was about looking peace through control and in turn the escalation reached a point were even the people looking for control turn into even worse monsters than the ones they were hunting.

    Also the title remind me of Pandora’s Tower that used that classical tune as it’s main theme.

    • AidanAK47 AidanAK47 says:

      Well the villains refer to their day of reckoning as “Dies Irae” and that pretty much seems the gist of it.
      For an overarching theme the main one has to do with eternal recurrence where all human choice is an illusion and humans are mere slaves to fate. So I guess it’s about the desire for people to wish to break out of mudancity and embrace chaos in order to feel alive.

  2. meow says:

    Interesting. Not sure if it’s my genre though. I much prefer the Baldr Sky series cos of the whole sci-fi setting and the mech action rpg gameplay. How was the localization? If it’s strictly a visual novel and all-ages, I wonder if it’ll pop up on Itunes or Android store. Might check it out there.

    My idea of a Kamige would be Sumaga. One of Nitroplus’ best works. But strictly AO.

    • AidanAK47 AidanAK47 says:

      I remember seeing a rare typo on occasion but not nearly frequent enough to damn it. Based on my impression I would say the localization was pretty good.

      Have you actually played Sumaga in Japanese? On a English translation side last I heard was that JAST was to release it and haven’t done anything on it since.

      • meow says:

        Played it in japanese a long time ago. I didn’t get all of it but I got enough for the story to really get under my skin. It was an experience. A different type of subversion of the magical girl genre. Polished, a lot of little bells and whistles and an amazing cast in a mind-blowing story. It’s just an unbelievable blend of comedy, tragedy, romance, action, just plain wackiness right next to dead seriousness. Epic. Although, in all fairness, this was a long time ago, before stuff like Madoka Magica. But that kind of shock factor. If your japanese is good enough and you’re okay with adult content, Sumaga is a classic. I’m sorry to say that Nitroplus, or any other VN company has yet to match what this story was able to do for me. And not for lack of trying. If you can think of any, let me know.

        Another one I liked, although it didn’t grab me as much as Sumaga did, was Gekkou no Carnivale. Incredible atmosphere, including an amazing musical score and some very memorable characters. A top male seiyuu lent his voice to the main protagonist. About the story, think italian mafia, werewolves and alchemy-powered clockwork dolls.

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Anonymous3197172
Granted, like Zombieland Saga, I didn't hate it. But unlike Zombieland where it became what it purported to parody, this was exactly what I was expecting it to be. Safe and really dull.
Anonymous3197172
And to top it off, they included SSR codes for Granblue with the BDs of the series as a form of cross-promotion. That managed to maximize sales for the series. Not even Zombieland Saga was this obviously safe.
Anonymous3197172
Let's see, it's a sports anime complete with the stereotypes you'd expect, a CGDCT show, a moe anthropomorphism series where the horses are girls, and an idol series with most of the trademarks of that genre (yuri undertones, banal songs, creepy fanservice, etc.) and it's a mobile game adaptation to boot.
Anonymous3197172
Of all the shows I watched this year, Uma Musume was probably the safest, most conservative show that I've ever seen this year which took the least risks, and threw in everything they could in the hopes of maximizing blu-ray sales. It's saving grace is P.A. Works' animation, but that's to be expected with even their worst shows.
SuperMario
I haven’t watched the latest one yet but isn’t it a bit too... quick?
SuperMario
What the hell? Only one episode and BF already wiped out 3 bad men?
Kaiser-Eoghan
Unrelated, but I wish more ecchi/hentai genuinely tried to mix in emotions and sensuality even into the more fetishist stuff. I like everything to be y'know sad and stuff.
Kaiser-Eoghan
Seeing that bastard get it in banana fish is so satisfying.
Kaiser-Eoghan
I still wish this show had 24 episodes.
Kaiser-Eoghan
I don't think there's enough time for Shoko's arc though and this episode was rushed.
Kaiser-Eoghan
*in bunny-senpai
Kaiser-Eoghan
Oh my God I wanna save the sister bunny-sepai =<
Anonymous3196773
All 3 of BF devil trio are out :) Now we have to deal with Foxx as final boss though? Not sure about that
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Vonter: I enjoyed what I read of gunsmith cats but I've only read parts of it, not the whole thing, I also saw its prototype riding bean which was schlocky fun.
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Vonter: I'm honestly not sure. But I'll say this, wasn't there some campaign to get a new gunsmith cats anime out?
Animosh
I wonder where they're going with Yut Lung though. I expected Ash to kill him in a mad fury over what happened to Eiji, but his conversation with Blanca (about finding love instead of being ruled by anger and hatred) suggests that some kind of redemption may lie in store for him.
Vonter
@Kaiser-Eoghan How is it compared to Gunsmith Cats?
Animosh
I knew Banana Fish wouldn't go through with Eiji's death. But hey, at least it looks like Golzine is finally dead! Although I really wish someone with more of a history with him had done the deed. Or you know, someone with some actual personality. Foxx is such a lame blend of villain tropes I wish he would die already. If he really ends up as the final boss of the series I'd be pretty disappointed
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Vonter: Its possibly because its so old. As for myself I've only seen the first series and read a few volumes of the manga, what I followed was largely episodic.
Vonter
@Kaiser-Eoghan - It isn't as heavily marketed, I wasn't aware there were that many. It's this a niche series?
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Vonter: There are several films live action and animated and three anime series based on it.
Vonter
The new City Hunter movie looks great. It seems to have buddy cop vibe. Were there only OVAs or did this manga ever got a TV series? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CRFrmaZa1OY
Animosh
Oh right, that makes sense. Heh.
Lenlo
Ha, you merged his names.
Kaiser-Eoghan
Ah, that is the curse of watching an episode a week, forgetting things like that, can't believe I couldn't remember that.
Animosh
Eh, Kurahara. Where did I even get that name from.
Animosh
@Lenlo: he's a reporter. He's one of the people interviewing Fujioka in episode 7 (or more precisely, he's watching him being interviewed). He also seems to notice Kakeharu then.
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Lenlo: Or maybe a washed up former runner from years ago?
Lenlo
Im sad Kaze Fui has a 3 week break, but cant wait for January now. As for the guy at the end, I want to say he is probably a reporter of some kind? Kurahara was a good runner in highschool and seemingly quit, yet is now running for a no-name team. Thats a scoop
Kaiser-Eoghan
It was pretty tense actually.
Kaiser-Eoghan
I didn't cry during that scene in made in abyss, you know the one where riko freaks out, the arm scene. But it was somewhat stressful.
Kaiser-Eoghan
I haven't come across ojisama to neko. Perhaps I'll read a few chapters of it.
Amagi
Hope they will do a first season of it by turning it into a 5 minute anime now. I mean it has an old man who tries to be the best father for his pet and it has a CAT, what else does a series need to be successful in the age of the internet?
Amagi
I didn't know Ojisama to Neko was a hit. The series is so cute that every harmless piece of seriousness makes you feel like crying, it's pretty good but didn't expect it to be popular. Seems like it sells around 350k copies.
Amagi
There are so many movies or anime that kill tons of characters and throw in even more tons of cry scene and I am still unable to feel anything.
Amagi
MIA showed that it is always about how you depict a death scene and not so much about what's actually happening. I usually want to be sad whenever I am supposed to feel sad but it doesn't work. I had to cry during the MiA scene though even though it was "just" about some kind of pet, because that character lost her humanity long ago and suffered, so death was actually a good thing here. But still.
Anonymous3189472
I guess we'll have to wait three weeks for the second cour to find out.
Anonymous3189472
I really wonder who that guy at the end was though. He seems to have some beef with Kakeru judging by that look.
Anonymous3189472
Man, seems like the next episode of Kaze ga won't air until January 8. I was really getting invested in their continued training, even through rough weather this episode.
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Mario: Although definitely different and admire it for that, the stage like aesthetic of dogville didn't work for me. He did do comedies though such as boss of it all, the idiots and some of Kingdom .
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Mario: I always thought he could have fleshed out the first half of melancholia more, but it really gets going in the second when she really starts re-lapsing, I loved that part.
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Mario: You gave dancer in the dark 4 stars though.
SuperMario
My favorites are Breaking the Waves (although I do need to rewatch it), and Melancholia (mostly because there's a hint of hope at the end). Dancer in the Dark is so stupid I freaking hate it. Dogville, AntiChrist are depressing and Shia Labeouf and the ending kill Nympho for me
SuperMario
@Kaiser: can't wait to see the House that Jack Built, although no release date here yet. Lars Von Trier is like depressing drugs. His stuffs are goddamn depressing
SuperMario
@Kaiser: she was like "omg MARIO, you're serious crying while watching a TV show?" well, she invaded my privacy and still had the guts to say that huh?
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Mario: Matt Dillon is great in it.
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Mario: Also, I saw the new Von Trier film, the horror one House that Jack built, its an acid black farce comedy that never takes away from the darker elements of it or the violence, even if it isn't as violent as people are saying. I loved it, even if it went off on tangents sometimes. My favourites by him are this, boss of it all, dancer in the dark and especially antichrist.
Kaiser-Eoghan
*their
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Mario: What was there reaction out of curiousity?
SuperMario
*Catch me right at the act
Kaiser-Eoghan
And visually it is immersive.
Kaiser-Eoghan
Made in abyss does depend currently on what its second season will deliver and it does start out in a way that you kind of need to make it passed the first few episodes to really get into it. But it flows better than the manga and THAT scene in the middle and Nanachi's backstory elevate the series to a higher level.
Kaiser-Eoghan
BabyMario as in like super Mario world 2 =O
Kaiser-Eoghan
=O BabyMario
SuperMario
True (shameful) story: when I watched the finale of Made in Abyss, my housemate opened the door to ask me sth and she saw me sobbing like a baby
Lenlo
Made in Abyss was really damn good
Sash
I just recently watched Made in Abyss.... and i cried real hard. I was worried that this story was going down the loli route at first... but how this show frightened me... and how it pulled at my heartstrings at the end.
Amagi
Also being immortal would meant that I finally had enough time to finish all the games and series I am interested in.
Amagi
@Kaiser: the hate against immortality is overrated, I would totally be okay with observing history for centuries.
SuperMario
@Kaiser: yeah, it’s supposed to be the final one that closes the whole franchise
Kaiser-Eoghan
Theres going to be another euphonium movie next year.
Kaiser-Eoghan
I say sit back and just let it wash over you if you get on board with its slow rhythm.
Kaiser-Eoghan
The soundtrack is pretty understated aswell.
Kaiser-Eoghan
Also quite naturalistic in how it uses/animates movements/body language.
Kaiser-Eoghan
I do wish that it went further than baiting the audience though.
Kaiser-Eoghan
*is in
Kaiser-Eoghan
I watched liz and the bluebird, the storybook segements give the film a certain magical feel to it, even if they feel obvious and on the nose, what this film achieves if in its silent, quiet and visual exposition rather than spoken words, its also more sensitive and low key than Euphonium.
Kaiser-Eoghan
Gah, one of the gutting things about being into historical stuff or stuff about things that happened decades ago, is that I'll never be a direct witness to it as it happened. It'll never hit me as someone who lived through it. I having all the fun second hand.
SuperMario
Thanks, Amagi. They look pretty cool
Amagi
Why would I waste my time watching other people shopping or working. Not to mention that the scripted part turns everything worse than it usually is by shoving in terrible cringy moments everywhere to.. don't know. Entertain(?) the audience or something.
Amagi
I mean unless you want info dumps you watch fiction and you watch that because it makes you indirectly experience adventures you can't have in real life. Even when fiction is down to earth it's usually about special situations like the MC becoming a professional runner like in Kaze ga or something.
Amagi
@Kaiser: Me neither, especially because it seems to be the exact opposite of the reason why people consume media, and therefore fiction, in the first place.
Amagi
They probably used these in Irozuko because they look like're part of some J-RPG town.
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Amagi: I never really understood why reality television ever became a thing or how someone could give it any form of attention.
Amagi
Seems like they even have a wikipedia entry https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trullo
Amagi
@SuperMario: It's some specific type of house that only exist in Apulia. https://cdn.getyourguide.com/img/tour_img-437617-146.jpg - the whole historic disctrict looks like that
Amagi
I shouldn't use so many brackets.
SuperMario
Trulli? What does that mean?
SuperMario
We have all kinds of international film festivals here. I watched Roma in the Latin Film Festival. Yeah that aspect I mus say that I feel lucky
Amagi
There are Trulli in one scene of this week's Irozuko (after they entered that painting), how funny. I just visited this city (Alberobello) last month.
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Mario: You are lucky, Roma gets a one day limited release here for one time.
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Aidan: Just imagine going to the west of Ireland and asking them about the internet.
Kaiser-Eoghan
Yes there are people turning up to the one art cinema we actually have. But Ireland is not a good place to be in general if you are a film/anime/gaming fan.
Kaiser-Eoghan
lol this country is incapable of giving a proper wide/long cinema release to anything that might even be considered slight non-mainstream.
SuperMario
*week-long
SuperMario
Well, we have a week-log screening here and I already lament how undeserving these films have. Guess I should be more appreciate now I know that other countries have 1-day screening only
Kaiser-Eoghan
I wonder if anyone started out in the light novel industry as a stepping stone before moving on to real book writing. I also wonder how easy it is to get published.
Anonymous3183156
Progressive is good from what I heard since he went back to his older material from a more mature outlook. Ordinal Scale is decent too coming from the same matured Kawahara.
Kaiser-Eoghan
Sometimes there are re-showings, some cinemas will play Akira for the billionth time for example.
Kaiser-Eoghan
I imagine seeing scenes like that being recorded in the recording booth would look quite strange.
Anonymous3183156
Apparently, he even apologized to the voice actress for being subjected to voice a rape scene, so I guess even he has deep regrets about it. The LN doesn't have any more moments like this so I guess he matured a lot.
Amagi
@Anon: The problem is that he was still a teen when he wrote Alicization, he just edited it a bit later. But I also wish he would have cut this scene, it's always so forced and feels so stupid.
Amagi
Pancreas has no subs yet AFAIK
Anonymous3183156
Ugh, ep10 of Alicinization reminded me why I disliked SAO so much years ago. I assume Kawahara still had some nasty tendencies in him when writing Alicinization despite being past his edgy teenage phase.
Amagi
@Kaiser: It's the same here too. One day screenings and that's it. I also believe that anime are made for everyone it's just that the West (save for France and Italy maybe) doesn't give anime a chance. They are sure people would never care so they rather die or air the same awful scripted reality show for the 5th time rather than try showing anime that could appeal to adults like Monster.
Kaiser-Eoghan
The anon might want to watch that though, a torrent of it recently got uploaded.
Kaiser-Eoghan
Also Let me eat your pancreas wasn't shown here. But it was shown in Australia.
Kaiser-Eoghan
Although there are some films that America gets that we don't, the Heavens feel, the Madoka movies and Nanoha reflection showed in America but not here.
Amagi
@SuperMario: That would be great.
Kaiser-Eoghan
Anime films seem to appeal to normies aswell.
Kaiser-Eoghan
I saw an older woman in my screening of Maquia and talked to her after it and she liked it.
Kaiser-Eoghan
Again, I don't know about elsewhere, but what surprised me was the amount of people who are seeing these in the audience who don't actually come off as anime fans and probably aren't.
Kaiser-Eoghan
But I'm genuinely surprised that my country would actually even go that far to even show them.
Kaiser-Eoghan
I don't know about all the other countries that get showings for these anime films, but here its a one day only thing each time one comes out.
SuperMario
Reviewig anime movies/ making posts about them might be something I can do in the future
SuperMario
@amagi: anime movies are somethingn I wanna raise more awareness as well. Normally each year there are 4,5 solid anime films out there, but like you said they’re hardly discussed
Kaiser-Eoghan
I've never heard of UFO no natsu.
Kaiser-Eoghan
I felt bad for the little girl in grave of the fireflies, the boy was already caught up though in "muhfascistempire is goat tier" for me to care about him as much as her.
Kaiser-Eoghan
The Air movie was more focused, better paced and visually directed with more panache than the show.
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Amagi: I have gone to almost every anime screening since the early 2000s and continue to.
Amagi
And many have barely any sort of advertising so I only notice them coincidentally by seeing a thread on /a/ or because I see some screenshot somewhere.
Amagi
Speaking of it there are so many great anime movies every year but nobody ever talks about them because the fans are split between those who see the screenings (that happen randomly depending on the country) and those who watch it a year later on their PC.
Amagi
I also found Hotori sad but it's ages old and I never met anyone who cared about it besides myself. Also, Hanbun no Tsuki and UFO no natsu although these were 6 part ova. Colourful probably too and the Key movies. I actually like all these movies like Air or Clannad but I didn't like the series that much.
Kaiser-Eoghan
I think ultimately its the patience some of these sad films are made with that allows then to eventually land their effect.
SuperWooper
It takes a while to get to that point, though.
SuperWooper
"The Wind Rises" is pretty damn sad.
SuperMario
Well, Grave of Fireflies hands down. or Your Lie in April if you don't mind TV show
Amagi
Then basically everything from Shinkai for example.
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Anon: You may need to let us now what type of drama you're into, are you okay with highly melodramatic stories?
Anonymous3180985
if so anybody have any good sad anime movies?
Anonymous3180985
anybody here?
Amagi
The more we approach xmas time the more it rains in my city. Like every year.
Amagi
Didn't know that guess I try this someday I love this setting.
Kaiser-Eoghan
The most recent thing I've watched dealing with a created/artificial/virtual world was an old German mini series called World on a wire by Rainer Fassbinder.
Amagi
Wonder about the consequences these last scenes in Gridman will have.
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Mario: I finally got around to Aki Kaurasamaki's films, watched I hired a contract killer, I like dry, sad bastard black humour like that and even when it wasn't being amusing I enjoyed the whole quirky tone throughout it.
Kaiser-Eoghan
I decided to watch season 2 of sound euphonium before getting to liz and the bluebird. I would like to see more of this. I guess I liked Asuka's arc.
Kaiser-Eoghan
I think bloom into you has stood out in how its dealt with Nanami's insecurities and backstory, found myself liking that one side character Sayaka more. There will be an arc where they do some kind of play which compliments/links in well with nanami's character.
Animosh
But yeah, I agree the series has great character writing. In hindsight, it's kind of a shame you picked Irozuku over Bloom into You. It had a great premiere and some stunning scenes, but the characters are so incredibly droll that there's just not much to write about. They're both slow burns, but Bloom into You gives you much more to think about.
Animosh
So I think the crossing the line thing is ambiguous between your interpretation and Yuu's subconscious fear that if she initiates things, displays her affection towards Nanami (and a passionate kiss that Yuu initiates certainly seems to qualify), then that will be the end of things. Actually, it's probably a bit of both.
Animosh
@SuperMario: I think Yuu is also aware that Nanami does not want Yuu to fall in love with her (I mean, it's hard not to after that death stare). And as a result she can never initiate things, because showing affection would undermine the whole reason Nanami fell in love with her. And Yuu obviously does not want this relationship to end.
Anonymous3177625
Did uh that really happen in BF? Probably not, but dang if that really was the case then stuff got real
SuperMario
@Animosh: the thing is Yuu takes the special attraction from Nanami for granted, and her mode is that she “doesn’t hate” it. She doesn’t hate it when she spends time alone with Nanami, she doesn’t hate it when they kiss. So for Yuu, when Nanami askes her to actively do it, it’a the first time Yuu feels like she’s crossing the line. Some really great character writing there
Anonymous3175137
It boils down to a female-targeted version of those moe shows that I don't care about all that much. Just replace the cute girls with hot boys.
Anonymous3175137
Compared to Katsugeki, where it tried to sell the series as something more than just a mobile adaptation and tried to court non-fans, here I got exactly what I expected; something safe and predictable, and catering exclusively to fans. So I got nothing out of it.
Anonymous3175137
Is there some sort of moe equivalent for male characters? Because this show probably counts as one. otoh, my feelings towards it are like most CGDCT anime: indifference.
Anonymous3175137
I think the oddest thing I did regarding anime this year was how I sat through both season of Touken Ranbu Hanamaru (including the one that aired earlier this winter), and didn't claw my eyes out when it's basically an unfortunate mix of a mobile game adaptation and a CBDCT show mixed in with some action segments to show that it's not just a pure estrogen-fest.
Animosh
I should also note that I don't relate to her in every way. I understand her difficulties with falling in love, but for me the problem is more that my view on love is too negative, and as a result I'm hesitant about taking the "leap of faith" that any relationship requires. Love is messy, and may well get you hurt, so it's easier to observe things from a distance, like Maki for example.
Animosh
Oh Yuu is definitely frustrating to watch. Her idealized conception of love prevents her from seeing what is obvious to everyone watching: that she's slowly developing feelings for Touko. And when those feelings evidently turn into love, instead of seeing them for what they are, she's in denial and insists that her feelings aren't special enough to be called "love". It's frustrating.
SuperMario
Then again, I can't really say why Bloom into You works for me now, but kept me in a distance in their first few episodes. It's slow-burn, and when you think back to it, not a lot has been happening. But I feel they haven't made any wrong step yet
SuperMario
Can't say I relate to Yuu thou. She's the kind of character that in real life I would find really frustrated, and I know many of my friends behave that way. That just to further demonstrates how real these characters can be. Even the side characters, Sayaka and the lesbian adult couple work well for me.
SuperMario
@Aminosh: it took awhile for me to fully embrace Bloom into You (I say about episode 5,6) but I agree it's getting very solid now. it reminds me of Scums Wish as well, mainly because how twisted romance can be
Animosh
I'm also worried it won't end in a satisfying way, since the manga is still ongoing. But otherwise I quite like it. It has its problems, but if you go into it with the right expectations (slow pacing, complex and flawed characters that make for an unusual love story, with more focus on the characters' psychological issues than their sexuality) there's a lot to enjoy.
Animosh
My only major complaint is that its characters can feel rather artificial sometimes. Touko in particular is a victim of this. She's such a weird bundle of complexes that she can be hard to relate to. Maybe it'll be better explained later on, but the whole idea of falling in love with another person because you think she'll be incapable of reciprocating it ... it's weird.
Animosh
I particularly like Yuu. I can empathize with her difficulties with falling in love, and I like her arc of slowly "blooming into" liking another person. It feels natural and earned. And like in SSSS.Gridman, the direction is surprisingly strong, and as a result it mostly nails its key moments (the river confrontation, the shed starting shot, etc).
Animosh
I finally caught up with Bloom into You, and it really surpassed my expectations. It kind of reminds me of Scum's Wish, with how flawed its characters are, and how selfish and unreasonable they can be. But like in Scum's Wish, instead of condemning the characters for their flaws, we're given the background to understand them, and they're not used for forced melodrama but sympathetically explored.
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Amagi: Are the Tezuka Buddha movies really that bad? I'll probably try the manga soon.
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