Posted by AidanAK47 on 19 July 2017 with categories: Game Reviews

In the Visual novel fandom there are certain titles referred to Kamige.(God(ly) games) I previously thought the term referred to the best the medium has to offer but in recent times come to realise that a game can be referred to as a Kamige while not necessarily being the best. So Kamige as I understand it are Visual novels which stand out from the rabble and sadly many of these cannot be experienced by those of us who don’t speak Japanese. Fortunately due to the efforts of localization companies we now have several Kamige on the way. Baldr Sky, Subahibi and more are coming. Thus the first to grace our shores is Dies Irae and believe me that it wasn’t easy. As a backer of the kickstarter I watched this thing go through hell to reach our shores, from horrible mismanagement of the kickstarter to the embarrassing moment where Dies Irae had yet to reach it’s goal when a Nekopara anime kickstarter running at the same time raised one million in funds. It was dark days, truly dark days, but now we have it. A title once called untranslatable and forever out of gasp is in my hands. Now having played it, what do I think of Dies irae?

Dies Irae has four main routes and five side stories and while this version has the option to lock you into a girl’s route before starting a new game, I highly recommend that you don’t make use of it. I used these buttons to lock me into each girl’s route and encountered a glitch where I couldn’t unlock the final side story due to having missed dialogue in choices. So I recommend you use the common route button and get to the girls routes using a walkthrough. On that note as a very important rule of this visual novel is that while you can chose any girls route from the start, you should complete the girl’s routes in the following order: Kasumi, Kei, Marie, Rea. The reason for this is that later routes expect you to know knowledge from previous routes and playing them out of order can leave you confused as to just what is even going on. More importantly is that Rea’s route is clearly the finale of the entire story so playing it first would lose it’s impact. The strict route structure is a bit of pain, in particular as the quality of the story goes from worst to best. However it is interesting to see events of earlier routes subconsciously affect events of later routes. Things which previously didn’t make much sense or felt out of nowhere take on new meaning when you take into account the matter of eternal recurrence. But alas, what is the story of Dies Irae? It’s difficult to go into detail without spoilers but lets say it starts with a matter regarding a serial killer which evolves into a full blown battle which pits our main protagonist Ren against a group of superpowered nazi’s from the remnants of World War II known as the Obsidian Round Table.

The story has 13 chapters where the first 6 or 7 are of the common route which is free to play on steam. From there it deveres into one of four main heroine routes, which with their own outcome and storyline. The story has been called a hybrid of Hellsing combined with Fate/Stay Night and to a degree that is true. The psychopathic Nazi’s are certainly reminiscent of Hellsing as well as the relevance of rule of cool above all else. For make no mistake when i say that Dies’ Irae story is ridiculous and logically falls apart if you aren’t willing to roll with it. For example, in this visual novel hundreds of people die and yet at no points does the government or army interfere with whats going on. The explanation to write this off is that when these Nazi’s kill someone they devour them completely, leaving no trace. However if hundreds of missing persons reports were coming in within a week then people would be asking questions. At one point even an entire school’s student population is wiped out and yet there is not a single word of the aftermath. It’s clear than on this aspect you are just not supposed to think about it too much. Now the Fate/Stay Night resemblance comes in some of the characters, the general story setup and weapons which happen to be famous historical instruments. Indeed there is a cavalcade of references and I am sure quite a number slipped over my head.

The common route is mainly there to set the stage and things don’t really get moving until you get into a heroines route. As stated before, there is a strict recomended order to these routes you should follow so I will give my impressions of each. Kasumi’s route is ultimately the weakest of the four as for the most part you won’t have a clear picture of what exactly is going on and Kasumi’s character just comes across as lacking. I understand that she serves a purpose in symbolising the ordinary life that Ren desperately wishes to reclaim but as a result she is doomed to the role of damsel in distress. She gets the most screentime in the common route and her basic personality could get on peoples nerves if you are not into genki girls. The route just lacks closure as half the villains don’t even show up and the route as a whole thing ends inconclusively. It’s more or less a route to set the groundwork for the other routes. Kei’s route fares better but as a heroine I found her to be a lesser Rin Tohsaka. Her basic quirk is being a tsundere and the only thing that really separates her from that is her connection with the villains. I never found her compelling or likeable as a protagonist and as an antagonist. Her attraction to Ren seems forced at best as it’s the old “They fight so that means they are madly in love” song and dance.

Much like Kasumi’s her route also ends inconclusively but works better as it has more exciting fights and a finale with more at stake. Marie’s route is a contender for best route as it has a much more conclusive finale and some truly outstanding moments. Marie as a heroine though again came up short as her personality was non existent up until a certain point where she made a jarring change into another character completely. I am willing to give her a pass though as I have a serious thing for long haired blondes and she’s right in my strike zone. Finally Rea’s route acts as a fitting finale for the entire visual novel as it’s undeniable the most epic ending of the routes. Rea possesses the best personality of the main heroines but doesn’t get much in terms of romantic development which makes her romance the weakest. I would place this route below Maries as it takes a bit too long to get started and while the finale had some truly phenomenal set up, the final conclusion was a bit of a let down. Disappointing as Rea’ route is the only one with two endings and both concluded rather abruptly. Overall Kasumi’s was the weakest, while Kei’s was third best and Marie’s and Rea’s close in terms of enjoyment.

Dies Irae is very much a story supported by its strong character cast as it possesses one of the strongest villain casts I can think of. Each member of the Obsidian Round Table has great characterization from the psychotically bloodthirsty Willhelm, to the playful sadistic Rusalka, to the emotional manipulative Trifa, to the steadfast loyal Eleonore, to the utterly batshit insane Schreiber…each one monstrous in their own right coming with their own personal desires and history. All lead by the lording charismatic Reinhard and the enigmatic Mercurius. It’s is not an exaggeration to say some of the best parts of this Visual Novel are due to the quality of its villains. So it’s such a shame that the protagonist team fall very short in comparison. The main protagonist Ren’s motivation mostly boils down to him wanting to return to a mundane uneventful life and I find he mostly contributes false bravado and typical shounen one liners. However much like Eren Jaeger of Attack on Titan, I find he fails more than he succeeds and even when he succeeds it seems less do to his own efforts and more due to random Deus Ex Machina. Aside from him and the heroines though we have the saving grace of the protagonist team and their names are Shirou and Ellie. These two are the best. Both are thrill seekers who entered this whole affair just for the excitement of it. They have no powers and face off against ridiculously powerful monsters with nothing but balls to the wall recklessness and ingenuity which makes their fights some of the best in the story. Shirou once remarks that he should have been the main protagonist and he’s certainly right as he is Ren’s polar opposite. He seeks to break away from the mundanity of life and seek the new and exciting regardless of how insane it may be. He’s a man who first introduces himself to this story by proposing a fistfight to the death with Ren just for the heck of it. He’s absolutely out of his mind and boy do I love him for it. His foil Ellie is equally mad and when these two get together they can make for some comic gold. As a result despite the main protagonist and heroines being lackluster, it’s made up by the strength of the rest of the cast.

The writer Masada Takashi has a writing prose which could be hit or miss with people. There are points when it really comes together and excels the story but his long winded descriptions can bog down the action scenes as dialogue is separated with paragraphs overly descriptive text. At times as well it can be hard to understand which is most evident during the conversations between Reinhard and Mercurius. But mayfair, perhaps my consciousness is trapped in the ghetto, ravaged by the chase of delights temporal and fleeting through the vast base of mundanity and hardship. For much like Bey and Hrozvitnir, casting aside chaining morality to obtain ubermensh feels a delusion worthy of dissolution. Memento Mori, for I fear the Reaper and seek the eternal. Well..if you just read those last few sentences with a giant question mark over your head then congratulations. You now know what it’s like to read a conversation between Reinhard and Mercurius. Honestly there were times I just had to stop reading just to try and comprehend just what these two were even talking about. In essence the overly dramatic prose can resemble the ramblings of the various chuunibyou characters in anime for as well acclaimed as this visual novel is, it’s is still a chuuni visual novel. Characters tend to debate more than they fight and every superpower unveil is preceded by a nonsense chant in german.

Many of the lines in this you could get a chuunibyou character to speak and it wouldn’t sound all that different from their usual made up nonsense. The artwork is quite excellent despite it being a product from ten years ago and it certainly gives the impression that the artist was aiming to make characters look as cool as possible. Sadly this is offset by the interface as while the general options are fine, the big problem is the text box with the terrible purple and red gradient. I have no idea whose bright idea it was to make it that colour but there’s no window colour options so you are stuck with it. Might not be too bad if it just stuck to the bottom of the screen but when the perspective shifts to other characters than Ren then the box covers the entire screen and obscures the artwork. Therefore I wholeheartedly recommend that you turn down the window transparency on this thing. Music overall was fine though I admit to it not really being to me tastes. One or two songs stood out for me but otherwise I would deem the soundtrack passable. However I do think that other would disagree with me on that greatly and I can see why.

Thus I find my feelings mixed when I completed it. For every great thing Dies Irae accomplishes, it comes with something bad to counter it. It has a magnificent cast of villains but the heroes characterization is lacking. The action set pieces are epic confrontations but more often than not end in deus ex machina or anticlimax. The writer’s prose can be enlightening and poetic but also incomprehensible and intrusive at times. It doesn’t go out of it’s way to treat the reader like an idiot but lack of explanation can leave the reader confused to what is going on even in the late stages. Each route builds upon the other in a interesting way but the visual novel is massively long with the opening routes being the weakest. There are things I truly love about Dies Irae but just the same there are things I really hate about it. Thus when completing it I found myself in two minds over whether it truly was a great game or a disappointing one. In conclusion I have found that it was a worthwhile and unique story to experience though at times tiresome to get through. The game is currently on Steam and you can play the common route for free to see if the story catches you. Then you can buy the rest of the game through the DLC. For those with the time to read it I say it is worth your time though like myself you may find yourself not quite satisfied with the result.

5 Responses

  1. Vonter says:

    Does the name have any significance? Isn’t it a classical music piece? Also I didn’t catch, perhaps skip it, but is there an overarching theme? I think both Fate (Zero) and Hellsing it was about looking peace through control and in turn the escalation reached a point were even the people looking for control turn into even worse monsters than the ones they were hunting.

    Also the title remind me of Pandora’s Tower that used that classical tune as it’s main theme.

    • AidanAK47 AidanAK47 says:

      Well the villains refer to their day of reckoning as “Dies Irae” and that pretty much seems the gist of it.
      For an overarching theme the main one has to do with eternal recurrence where all human choice is an illusion and humans are mere slaves to fate. So I guess it’s about the desire for people to wish to break out of mudancity and embrace chaos in order to feel alive.

  2. meow says:

    Interesting. Not sure if it’s my genre though. I much prefer the Baldr Sky series cos of the whole sci-fi setting and the mech action rpg gameplay. How was the localization? If it’s strictly a visual novel and all-ages, I wonder if it’ll pop up on Itunes or Android store. Might check it out there.

    My idea of a Kamige would be Sumaga. One of Nitroplus’ best works. But strictly AO.

    • AidanAK47 AidanAK47 says:

      I remember seeing a rare typo on occasion but not nearly frequent enough to damn it. Based on my impression I would say the localization was pretty good.

      Have you actually played Sumaga in Japanese? On a English translation side last I heard was that JAST was to release it and haven’t done anything on it since.

      • meow says:

        Played it in japanese a long time ago. I didn’t get all of it but I got enough for the story to really get under my skin. It was an experience. A different type of subversion of the magical girl genre. Polished, a lot of little bells and whistles and an amazing cast in a mind-blowing story. It’s just an unbelievable blend of comedy, tragedy, romance, action, just plain wackiness right next to dead seriousness. Epic. Although, in all fairness, this was a long time ago, before stuff like Madoka Magica. But that kind of shock factor. If your japanese is good enough and you’re okay with adult content, Sumaga is a classic. I’m sorry to say that Nitroplus, or any other VN company has yet to match what this story was able to do for me. And not for lack of trying. If you can think of any, let me know.

        Another one I liked, although it didn’t grab me as much as Sumaga did, was Gekkou no Carnivale. Incredible atmosphere, including an amazing musical score and some very memorable characters. A top male seiyuu lent his voice to the main protagonist. About the story, think italian mafia, werewolves and alchemy-powered clockwork dolls.

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Kaiser-Eoghan
Lenlo! Only one more episode of steins gate 0 and we're free!
Amagi
Man, Beastars is pretty damn good so far, I only wanted to check out the first chapter and now I am at ch. 30. I like how it adresses a bunch of different social issues by using an anthro-animal setting and how real it suddently gets at certain plot points.
SuperMario
@Niello: I watched Aguu first episode. While it has some really neat ideas (including the ritual that is creepy and awesome at the same time), it's the lackluster visual and the stiff character acting that kill my desire to check any more episode of it
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Mario: I do think starlight can be too abrupt though at times and could focus longer on certain things, then again it is only 12 episodes.
Niello
I wish I can edit those grammar mistakes...well whatever.
Niello
From that point on, the show is more of a family drama with problem sparked from supernatural shounen shenanigans, and this is where the show really shines. It turns into one of those story where it constantly change your perspective of the characters as you know more about them.
Niello
The interesting bit is how the first couple episodes give you the impression that it would be a more episodic story with enemy of the week. However, after the initial set up and they went to Hong Kong, it has been focus on one single arc.
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Niello: I suppose there will always be a show I missed or didn't notice on the seasonalcharts.
Niello
That's coming from someone who hate the premise. I went in thinking it would be absolute shit. It's still not great, but I'm impress that it has something that still make it worth watching.
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Niello: I don't think I know what that is.
Niello
Aguu really surprised me this season. It has tons of flaws, but of all things I didn't expect to see great character developments and dynamics. It's definitely appreciable for how the characters were handled feel different from most anime. The twists are well done as well. It didn't go in the direction I initially expected it to at all. Over all, I think it's actually worth watching.
Kaiser-Eoghan
Come to think of it her name, Hikari, i think it means light.
Kaiser-Eoghan
*like it
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Mario: I liked it when a show surprises me like this.
Kaiser-Eoghan
Although Mahiru probably had the most backstory to her. Glad you agreed on how they handled the rivalry between Tendou and Claudine (aka Croissant-chan)
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Mario: I noticed that and I think it could have been followed up on .
Kaiser-Eoghan
I really do love that shot though, it really shows and symbolizes and goes with "how she's lost everything". Actually I liked how the symbolism in this show was clearer at times than expected.
SuperMario
My best girl is Banana. Try to protect all the girls by rewinding the time, Madoka-style? Count me in
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Mario: Hikari is best girl, flat is justice never forget *hides*
Kaiser-Eoghan
I hope we see more of that shot from episode 11, the one on the bottom right.
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Mario: Thanks for covering the show. Probably wouldn't have seen it otherwise.
SuperMario
@Kaiser: i've never heard of the prequel manga. It's still about Karen and Hikari, I suppose?
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Mario: Theres a prequel manga for shoujo kageki, I haven't read it though.
Kaiser-Eoghan
Odd hearing French spoken in an anime series too, I wonder how accurate it is.
Kaiser-Eoghan
Looking forward to the ending this week.
Kaiser-Eoghan
Thought the animation could have been a bit better! The English dub is okayish to me.
Kaiser-Eoghan
Surprised how endeared I ended up getting into this show.
Even though I liked the central relationship I wish it had more screentime, but I liked what I got and the expanded focus on the other girls was something I enjoyed aswell so I don’t mind so much.
I do want a bit more followup on that “betrayal” moment though, but Mario as you say, this show does hit its emotional moments.
Kaiser-Eoghan
different enough as not to become stale, the ones that come to mind best for me was the doubles duel and particularly that really goofy one in episode 6.
Eventually even though the show can be a bit vague/meandering, the character interactions had more point than I thought and they grew on me.
Kaiser-Eoghan
On a second go through and now that I’ve caught up with it, the standout for me are definitely all the weird stuff with the stage battles and Giraffe guy, regarding the duels, even though the format of this show is repetitive, the duels themselves feel that they are
Kaiser-Eoghan
I initially put off watching shoujo kageki starlight, mostly down to feeling it was one of those “wait and see” shows, based on the first two episodes. I also at first thought the character interactions were meandering and asinine.
Kaiser-Eoghan
*in an old
Kaiser-Eoghan
And as another random fact, a young Swedish actor from film called death in Venice was the basis for the design of an old shounen-ai manga.
Kaiser-Eoghan
Now anon, that reminds me, Ash was apparently based off River Phoenix.
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Anon: You cheeky fiend =P
Anonymous2824999
If they ever make a live action Banana Fish, they should cast Kevin Spacey as Dino.
Kaiser-Eoghan
I didn't know double decker was supposed to be related to tiger and bunny.
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Mario: I'll be starting shoujo kageki in a few hours.
SuperMario
Needless to say, while this season has been a bit underwhelming, I have like 3 favorite shows that might end up on my Top 10 of the year list.
Kaiser-Eoghan
Donkey VietKONG.
Kaiser-Eoghan
SUPER-MAOrio =P
SuperMario
Regarding RErideD and Double Decker, I'm in no rush checking them out now. Will do that after this season wraps up
SuperMario
Regarding politic, my dad was a Communist so he was pretty tight-lipped when it comes to the topic. Most of the things I learned from how the system works is by listening to him and his colleagues talk over while drinking
SuperMario
Regarding Ash, yeah it strikes me the same as Ash is is way too perfect in everything (the new talent we found out the last few episodes: superhacker). When he said to Eiji that he never wanted that "gift" in the first place, I honestly don't know which one he was referring to
Kaiser-Eoghan
I may aswell finish it given that that its the last episode.
AidanAK47
So Planet With ends and the madman actually did it. Besides needing a bit more of a epilogue, that was a great finale.
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Animosh: I try to understand, make sense of the other sides views within reason.
Kaiser-Eoghan
I really want a successful fantasy go on an adventure style show though, I feel like I'm genuinely in the mood for one, I've actually considered watching some old ovas of that nature.
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Animosh: The most common thing my father and I talk about is Brexit really and how once upon a time we actually went after tyrants.
Kaiser-Eoghan
And even though I have the God thing, never became a burn the witches kind of person. I do want to put the far right/fascist people in gulags though lol
Kaiser-Eoghan
The Kaiser thing, now that I think about it is actually really odd, I speak minimal German, am no monarchist and am a leftist. Yet even though I hate the bougoiuse , I love aristocratic costumes lol
Kaiser-Eoghan
Then again, it may not be overly odd, there were Maoist priests.
Amagi
@Kaiser-Eoghan: This is pretty common here too. Organized religion isn't popular but most people believe there is a God and, depending on the person and cultural background, that parts of the holy books are true (or not, if they're real agnostics), usually in a metaphorical sense though.
Kaiser-Eoghan
*upbringing
Kaiser-Eoghan
That mixed upbringoing of having a communist father and religious relatives is an interesting thing.....for all of the exploitation I watch, I ctually feel nunsploitation is going too far lol I also sometimes check with my dad before watching certain things to make sure it isn't "too anti-left/anti socialist".
Amagi
@Animosh: No problem. I think it depends a bit on how people were brought up decades ago. It's probably different nowadays, no idea. The arguing was kinda fun though, especially for the teen me (I bet I annoyed the shit out of my father).
Kaiser-Eoghan
Yet having no regard for organized religion.
Kaiser-Eoghan
I however am a mutt though, believer in some kind of a God to an extent....while also having communist sympathies.
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Animosh@Amagi: As it stands neither my mother or brother are communists, actually my mother while very left wing would criticize my father when going "too communist". My parents and my brother are the only members of my family who could be considered leftist/non-religious.
Amagi
@Animosh: Planet With definetely needs some sort of epilogue OVA. You can somewhat guess the dragon's story but it's not the same as seeing it and there are still a few of semi-loose strings like the people who are still dreaming.
Animosh
@Amagi: my apologies for my presumptuousness. ;) My mother occasionally also participated in political discussions, but yeah, for some reason it's often men who have strong political opinions and are not willing to admit defeat in discussions.
Amagi
Also I don't spoil anything but the last minutes of the first episode just feel stupid. I think/hope there will be an explanation later for how something has worked so perfectly that shouldn't have worked at all. In general it seems to be a show that tries hard but can't deliver for some reason. I won't completely judge it yet though.
Animosh
Planet With also wrapped up things nicely. Unfortunately the dragon remains a bit underdeveloped, which makes it difficult for me to care about his fate, and I would have liked to see at least the main ship officially confirmed, but other than that it was an excellent finale that satisfactorily ties up all loose ends. This is how you do a one-cour.
Amagi
Regarding RErideD I have conflicted feelings. As said, the premise sounds pretty good but the budget is damn dab, especially for the beginning of a show. There is a scene in which the MC is so badly animated you can't even recognize what's going on at first.
Amagi
@Animosh: funny enough I am female, but yeah somehow these discussions only exist with fathers while the mothers are just trowing the towel and say "fuck it", I mean it usually doesn't change anybody's mind so it's more of a hobby I guess.
Animosh
It's a bit late, but Hanebado is finally giving me what I wanted from the show: tense, well-animated badminton matches. The match does feel a bit rushed, the overexplaining can be annoying and there's still plenty of melodrama, but it's a lot more enjoyable than what we got in the previous weeks at least.
Anonymous2822860
will be seeing what kind of flaws Ash has. Also, I think this way of characterizing him also fits into the narrative. This strength that Ash has is what pushes his gang members away and see him not as a normal human, but a "king."
Anonymous2822860
That was some interesting insight on Ash as a "perfect" person. While I do think that Banana Fish shows that Ash is an extremely capable person time and time again, he cannot win this "war" alone. There's too many enemies and too many things that need to be done. Also, I think as we get further on into the second cour, we
Anonymous2822162
Also, it's neat watching the first few episodes again after what goes down throughout the first half of the series; you get to see all of the characters together before everything blows up in their face.
Anonymous2822162
When I say perfect characterization, I should say I mean the way he's characterized as this perfect supremely capable person. The other characters do help reveal other aspects of Ash though: Eiji is his age and allows him to be a normal teenager; Max is like a surrogate father and lets him act like a son; Arthur and Dino are kind of evil inverses of that.
Anonymous2822162
When I say perfect charac
Anonymous2822162
Anyways, not to hate on Ash because he's still a fantastic main lead and anchors the whole show. It's just that because he loses sometimes I push some of the problems of his perfect characterization to the side, but when you actually think about it, he seems more like a character than a real person.
Anonymous2822162
Also the fact that Ash has been through a super tragic backstory doesn't help a lot: it seems like the writers are trying to make him a character who has been through all the tragedy in the world and has overcome it and became the most skilled person in the world. I will say though that any onscreen tragedy is 100% believable, it just some of the flashbacks that are a bit too much.
Anonymous2822162
I guess that slightly cheapens Ash's character on retrospection: of course he is still the charismatic lead, but he feels a bit too perfect at everything. Dino must have taught him quite a bit, but Ash is skilled in, like, everything. It just seems a bit too much.
Anonymous2822162
Like the whole Yut-Lung Shorter Eiji situation was beyond Ash (in fact he still knew something was off but couldn't pinpoint what); that wasn't really a mistake Ash made, it was just that he couldn't have known the secret connections Yut-Lung had.
Anonymous2822162
Something I noticed about Ash is that he is, as some of you pointed out, a Gary Stu but it doesn't immediately jump at you. The thing is that Ash still loses quite a bit, so he doesn't seem invincible, yet at the same I think the majority of his losses were beyond his control. It doesn't feel like he makes mistakes, rather that other people outmaneuver him due to factors beyond him.
Animosh
@Kaiser & Amagi: I also had lots of political discussions with my father. Didn't know that was such a common occurrence. Boys will be boys I guess? And he's actually a former Marxist too, having grown up in the 60's-70's and all. Now he's just a boring socialist though. ;)
Animosh
RErideD seemed really promising in theory: an original time travel anime written (at least in part) by Abe, with the director of Steins;Gate in charge? Count me in. But unfortunately the reviews so far seem to be uniformly negative. So I'll probably avoid it for now.
Kaiser-Eoghan
Four episodes of RErideD: Tokigoe no Derrida got uploaded at the same time earlier.
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Lenlo: Yes, although probably just for the Saturday, usually the best day to do so because thats when the sellers are there, usually everythings gone by Sunday. Friday is generally anime pub quiz.
Lenlo
Its just a saturday, so busy. And Kaiser, nice. Gonna go to the con at all?
Lenlo
As a writer for it, I dont believe so?
Anonymous2818178
is this site dead?
Kaiser-Eoghan
There is an animecon here in two weeks. That eyepatchwolf youtuber will be there.
Kaiser-Eoghan
I still have old single issues of fushigi yugi, inuyasha, Ah my Goddess, narutaru laid around.
Kaiser-Eoghan
They used to realease them like single American comic book issues in the west.
Kaiser-Eoghan
I'm not talking bound volumes but actual 20-30 pages chapters and these would be expensive.
Kaiser-Eoghan
Who remembers RENTING anime dvds and RENTING videogames? Does anyone else remember buying each individual manga chapter as they came out when the official English translations rolled around?
Kaiser-Eoghan
Anyone willing to post their desktop? https://ibb.co/buc4Zz
Kaiser-Eoghan
Or things like Mischief makers .
Kaiser-Eoghan
I know vonter mentioned Mystical ninja 64. But I remember after I'd moved on from the snes to the N64 when I was younger, growing up with that obscure castlevania game on it, or stuff like those 3D bomberman games no-one cared about. Or obscure stuff like body harvest, jet force gemini, blast corps , turok, quest 64 and shadowman.
Kaiser-Eoghan
I love coming across those online lists of literally WHOtier, WHOcares , games literally only YOU liked and heard of/played. Makes me feel less alone.
Amagi
I was also always discussing about politics with my father. Whenever we started with this my mother just said "porca putana" and went into another room to watch tv in peace.
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Animemosh: lol I have daily political discussion with my Marxist-Leninist father just like that =)
Kaiser-Eoghan
Oh I should state, even though I'm not as bothered by the modern setting, I actually do prefer the cold war narrative.
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Animosh: The documentries name was Battle of Chile by Patricio Guzman.
Amagi
Especially since I don't think that the typical BF audience is of a kind that would lose interest because a series is taking place in the past. It was just written for the 80s, people can't just change that without changing the story itself to some degree.
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Animosh: I thought the anime did such a good job with Shio's backstory , that I didn't miss what was omitted. The anime is now up to date with the scans. I do agree that Satou's obsession with Shio is non-pedophilic but I think the scene itself is kind of going to give the wrong message.
Amagi
@Animosh: one of the many reasons why I would have prefered Banana Fish's original setting.
Animosh
By the way, apparently the backstory of Shio's mother - which supposedly is really tragic - was largely skipped. Guess I'll have to read the manga.
Animosh
I get what they're going for, recreating the ritual and all, but I also thought the Shio-Satou moment was a bit forced. I still think their relationship is platonic though. Satou has never been shown to lust after Shio: she just fills her with warmth and happiness. They're more like messed up siblings than (romantic) lovers.
Animosh
@Kaiser: sounds interesting! Chile is an excellent example of the kind of Cold War intervention that I really don't see happening today. Although you never know with an impulsive narcissist in the White House.
Animosh
End of monologue. Sorry about this. :p
Animosh
Long story short: I think the Banana Fish conspiracies fail to adequately represent the current situation. At the very least, it fits the Cold War world order much better.
Animosh
That includes the US (backing the Kurds and the rebels), but also Turkey and the Arab states (Sunni rebels), Russia and Iran (Assad), and so on and so forth. You can't act like this is the fault of one party. Hell, I'd say Russia and Assad are more responsible for failing to a peaceful resolution when they had the chance.
Animosh
As for Syria, it's a mess, but the US is only one of many parties responsible. And oil isn't particularly important in this conflict. It's a civil war that's been made much worse by the influx of money and weapons from many different parties vying for regional influence.
Animosh
So what does it do? It gives military and financial backing to militias with shared interests (which is much less than Russia does, by the way), orders drone strikes, and perhaps the occasional tactical strike. But overthrowing countries and setting up puppet regimes? I don't see it happening. That's basically declaring war on the other big powers.
Animosh
And even when it does intervene militarily, it rarely goes all out. The US has learned from Iraq and Afghanistan. It doesn't want to be dragged into another endless conflict, or see its efforts end in another brutal civil war that destabilizes the region.
Animosh
So although the US occasionally still intervenes militarily in other countries' affairs, other means of pressure are now more popular. The sanctions against Iran and North Korea are a good example of this.
Animosh
The current landscape is much more complex. America is still powerful, of course, but relatively speaking it is in decline, and that means it can get away with much less. Today's world is closer to a multipolar world, with many sides fighting for influence. And because the ideological conflict is much less pronounced, the US is much less willing to go against its purported values.
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Animosh: Coincidentally I recently watched a series of Chilean documentaries regarding the murder of Salvador Allende and the installation of the Pinochet Junta.
Animosh
And that meant both that America was far more powerful than it is now, and that much more intervention was considered acceptable - including shamelessly backing dictators that oppressed and exploited their people. After all, a defeat meant evil would prevail.
Animosh
Obviously the US still interferes in other countries. Quite a lot, actually. But there's a big difference between its current policy and that during the Cold War. Back then the geopolitical landscape was very different. It was bipolar, with two big Isms (capitalism and communism) fighting it out.
Animosh
@anon: not sure if this is the right place for a political discussion, but whatever. I like politics, so here we go.
Kaiser-Eoghan
*was no exception
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Animosh: If, out of the many moments in happy sugar life that I'd consider unsettling, it would be the one's with the aunt and this weeks episode was an exception. That last part of the episode will be interpreted as shoujo-ai bait by people though.
Kaiser-Eoghan
Looking forward to Angels of death next week, I think we're getting answers, glad to get answers on bad guy even if he is a simple villain.
Kaiser-Eoghan
Now this is an interesting coincidence as last night I just got done watching a documentary about cyberwarfare against Iran.
Kaiser-Eoghan
Thats alot more detailed than what I was going to say. I was just going to say that it reflects current foreign policy.
Anonymous2808488
however the current stalemate in Syria is a reflection of the intransigence of the monied elite to not let go of ill-gotten gains, constantly provoking conflict with Russia/Assad/Iran
Anonymous2808488
Its a documented fact the US/EU promoted the Arab Spring/ISIS rebellions and it was stopped by patriots with a conscience
Anonymous2808488
replace with the mexican cartels/Hezbollah, and oil money promised to Cheney-connected Genie enerrgy
Anonymous2808488
its a pretty accurate description of the current reality minus a couple silly things like the mafia and mind control drugs
Anonymous2808488
You guys realize this plot is unfolding in Syria just replace drugs with oil money
Lenlo
Its hokey in the now, but in the original context the series was written, the Cold War, I think it could fit really well.
Animosh
@Kaiser: what felt awkward to you? I thought the pumpkin stuff in particular was pretty hilarious. Eiji is an evil guy. :p
Animosh
Yeah, the conspiracy stuff feels a bit wacky in the present. But in the context of the Cold War, it makes perfect sense. The USA supported plenty of bloody coups after all, especially in Latin America. Hell, they even backed the Taliban in their war against Russia.
Kaiser-Eoghan
In the future I want to make a bigger effort to follow MORE of whats being covered on here seasonally.
Kaiser-Eoghan
http://kissmanga.com/Manga/Red
https://manganelo.com/manga/red_naoki_yamamoto Two history manga, wonder if they'll be fully translated.
Kaiser-Eoghan
I imagine most will probably agree with you anon though. I have alien taste/opinions. I also love conspiracy stuff =P
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Anon: Originally, in the manga version of that part, it was attacking communism in south America.
Anonymous2805624
I don't know; I kinda find the whole Middle East stuff a bit hokey; maybe that's just me.
Lenlo
Im about to watch it. Looking forward to it
Kaiser-Eoghan
I know its only one line, but that they still mention skip and shorter, even its just their names, at least the show keeps them in mind.
Kaiser-Eoghan
With episode 12, Banana fish has successfully contemporized its political/cospiracy aspect for me . Eiji is semi-uselful. Humour in this episode for the first time feels awkward, fast pace kind of means that the quieter slower scenes , though I still enjoy them, feel slotted in.
Lenlo
Most of my emotions this week came because of the original and my love of it, not this one
Lenlo
I agree, Steins;Gate 0 had all the potential, and there are some specific episodes that realized it. Like this episode had a lot of touching scenes cause it slowed down to play up Okabe's relationship with Amadeus. But most of the time, it fails to reach that potential. So as a whole it just feels... lacking
Kaiser-Eoghan
Plebs, not combining both into a single dessert.
Anonymous2802297
I'm talking about that sweet saccharine Chocolate Mousse, the Ganache, or the Chocolate Gâteau. Your puny muffin stands no chance. Mwahaha!
Anonymous2802297
Blasphemy. As a proud American, I can't stand for anything less than pure unadulterated diabetes-inducing sugar in chocolatey cake form. Anything less is an insult to my great nation. /s
SuperMario
@anon2801739: that's a nice analogy but I can't say I agree as I prefer chocolate muffin much more than chocolate cake :)))
Anonymous2801739
Steins;gate 0 is all potential but generally it's wasted. Whenever it actually seems promising they manage to jump plot points to boring nonsensical melodrama for a century. It was supposed to be a chocolate cake. Instead what we got was a muffin with tiny chocolate chips buried few and far between. Yeah it's still sweet at some points, but most of the time you're chewing through pointless fluff.
Lenlo
Like I said in my last post on it I think, the pacing is fucked
Animosh
I did like that the lab members finally acted like scientists again, methodically thinking through their options and all, and there were some pretty touching individual moments and nicely tied up ends. But mostly I'm just annoyed by all the unfulfilled potential of this show.
Animosh
I also hated the backtracking in the beginning. Don't make such a big deal of The Return if you're going to throw it out of the window in the next episode.
Animosh
I really don't understand Steins;Gate's pacing. It slows down to a trickle in the largely irrelevant middle part, and now that things are finally getting somewhat interesting again it just speeds through everything without building things up properly? I don't get it. And how on Earth are they going to resolve everything satisfactorily in one episode?
KTravlos
Reinhard (old series). Ash is interesting and depicted well, but not close to Reinhard. There is something noble in Reinhard, something beyond charisma.
Anonymous2797046
In a charisma battle between our two favorite Blond Boys (doing what blond boys do), who'd win: Reinhard or Ash?
Kaiser-Eoghan
Kind of felt this is what prelude penultimate episode/calm before the storm episode should be and I liked quite liked the ginko and souya scene, but I'm still eh, I shrug at this.
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