Posted by AidanAK47 on 20 February 2018 with categories: Currently Watching:, Fate/Extra Last Encore

Well is it just going to be a thing from now on to have Nero take a bath in between floors? The large amount of Nero fanservice seems a bit of the excessive side and I feel like shaft is to blame for that. As a matter of fact now might be a good time to bring up cons with this series seeing as we have made it past the three episode guideline. So far I still remain somewhat invested in the story but I admit that we may be moving to a formula with how to approach the remaining masters. Seems that Hakuno and Nero will move to the floor, have an encounter with the master and his servent, meet some serventless master on the floor who clues them in with exposition before moving to take down the floor master. Then wash, rinse and repeat. Likely there is some changes to this coming but if this is to be the formula going forward this could get rather stale.

It wouldn’t be such a problem if the action was good but I find that Shinbo’s style doesn’t quite work well with the normally kinetic nature of Fate’s servant battles. It works when the characters are standing round having a chat so when it comes to exposition that this series is shoveling out heavily, Shinbo’s style works. But with it comes to action scenes, the quick cuts and odd determination to not show attacks actually hitting proves to be rather frustrating to watch. It might be rather unreasonable to expect Shaft to bring the level of fights Ufotable has trained fans to expect but even the likes of Prisma Illya and Apocrypha attempted to meet that expectation. For this however the style is clearly getting in the way of making the action work which is a same as the opening does show that Shaft can make some rather excellent fight choreography.

On that note I am disappointed to see that Drake wasn’t added to the opening and instead it remains being just Nero fighting off shadows. The song is growing on me but it does feel like a song that lacks an explosive chorus. Instead building throughout the song to just cut off suddenly. The endings are updated at least to show the master/servant duo of the week and the illustrations are quite excellent. For another previously mentioned con, the Nero fanservice is getting on the excessive side though I am surprised that they didn’t take the opportunity to show off Rin in the bath if that was the agenda. Look, Nero is such a narcissist that she thinks nothing about showing her naked body to people but having her walk out of the bath wearing nothing but a ribbon is just going far too far. In the first place, did I miss the bonding session where Nero became so comfortable with Hakuno in the first place?

Nero seems awfully attached for a servant that only knew her master for a day or two. Though yes this brings me on to my next con, Hakuno desperately needs some goddamn personality. All we got from him is that he has this vague hatred and a need to win the holy grail war. He still is the player character of the game and this is truly a missed opportunity to give him some characterization. At least we could have taken the route done with Persona 4’s protagonist which turned a normal mute player character into a deadpan snarker. Or even Gudako from Fate/Grand Order who has basically been characterised as a massive troll by supplementary content. (God I wish she was the protagonist of Grand Orders anime, could have gotten some amusement out of it then.)

Moving on to another con, we have Rin disappear and a new girl pop up called Rani. I am really quite surprised to see Nasu actually bring Rani into this as while she was a character in the Fate/Extra game, she wasn’t a fan favorite despite being a potential main heroine. Personality I always saw her being destined to join the backalley alliance in Carnival Phantasm featuring the unloved Sacchin, Sion and Riesbyfe.(Though maybe Sacchin wouldn’t be so unloved if she got her damn route in that Tsukihime remake that you should have been done writing about now Nasu!) Ultimately Rani’s purpose her is to shovel exposition which has gotten rather excessive with this series but we at least learn that this anime is set far into the future and that the digital humans within this virtual world may be the last remnants of mankind. Not sure what to make of that as I am still trying to piece together just what is going on too much to actually find the reveal all too shocking. I spent the majority to this post talking flaws but overall this episode was rather straightforward, new servant, new exposition dump and more questions.

A noteworthy aspect though is that this particular master and servant have done a completely 180 in how they were in the game. Before the old man was the one who wanted to fight fair and square which often worked against his servants style who is more accustomed to playing dirty. It’s a pity as i rather liked that dynamic in the games story but lets see just where this is going. As a last note it appears this series has two arcs, the first of which is this one named “Oblitus Copernican Theory” and a second arc named “Illustrious Ptolemaic Theory” which will be broadcast at a later unconfirmed date. It has not been clarified whether the second arc is a second cour of sorts though I am placing my bets on it being another 12 episodes. Some seem to believe that this is doing some sort of Danganronpa 3 Future/past arc broadcast with the future arc being broadcast first with the past arc answering questions. Though considering how unpredictable this series has been as of late, we really cannot guess as to what we are truly going to get.

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  1. meow says:

    This is probably Rani’s first mass audience exposure so I expect she’ll get lots of spotlight, perhaps more so than Rin? And I’m not sure if this is the last we’ll see of either as things move forward. They were both major supporting characters in both Extra and CCC, although I really hated how they handled having to choose one or the other in Extra for each route. As for Drake, well, she and Shinji were the sacrificial stepping stones to move Hakuno up a level so we may not see them again til near the end, if at all, much like Fate Extra. I’m pretty sure Drake didn’t make a comeback in CCC either, which I thought was a shame. Pretty glad she got her own chapter in FGO and looking forward to her Extella Links debut. About your dissatisfaction about her lack of resistance last episode, I’m pretty sure she let them win because she hated being stuck on the first level like that. The whole theme of that episode seemed to be about the horror of stagnation and foregoing progress or evolution for fear of death. >.> Even that whiny Shinji didn’t do his usual “No! I don’t want to die!” freak out dance or take the out Drake offered him, preferring death to losing his safe zone.

    About Nero and baths, it’s just Nero’s thing. When they were promoting Fate Extra for the PSP, they had a fanservice minigame for Nero on the website where you had to get her bath hot enough for her to use (it might still be up for people to play) and a few special romance route/plot progression scenes for Nero in all Extra/Extella games were held in baths. I would just ignore it if it’s not your thing. Bath scenes were also a speciality for the monogatari series too so I’d be more surprised if they didn’t take advantage of this.

  2. Bokusen says:

    Well that settles it. I haven’t watched this episode due to being disappointed in the last one, though I figured I’d check out this review just in case, but if the series’ creators have so little confidence in the series they’re making that they feel the need to add lots of fanservice in order to make it sell, then their series isn’t worth my time.

    • meow says:

      To each their own. I completely dropped Inuyashiki after watching a kid brutally murder an innocent family in cold blood for his own amusement. With a strong feeling that this kid was going to be one of the main “protagonists”. And that was just the 2nd episode. I can’t understand what turns people on to such gratuitous brutality. The sheer effort they went to detail such a horrific scene. But I guess that’s the nature of art. Different people express themselves differently and the response of the audience may be equally varied. I have to strongly disagree that those bath scenes were “added” just to make it sell. It’s what they wanted to create and there are people who might consider it, like the successful monogatari series, a work of art, just like Inuyashiki. You’re probably making the right call for yourself. We all have our turn-offs and I doubt Fate Extra has a lot to offer to people who aren’t into the franchise.

      • Bokusen says:

        Which franchise? The video game Fate/Extra & it’s sequel? The greater Fate franchise? If it’s the former then you’re right. I haven’t played it and thus have no opinion on it. If it’s the latter, well I’ve watched every Fate anime series since Fate/Stay Night, and only dropped Prisma Illya out of all of them (due to excessive loli fanservice), though I lasted until the end of the first season of Prisma Illya and regretted it. I should have just dropped it after the one awesome fight scene. Sometimes I’m just too lenient with Fate series.
        I’m reading the Fate/Zero light novels and following the anime of Emiya-san chi no Kyou no Gohan currently, which despite not being a fan of the “docile perfect waifu” side of Saber which shows up in the latter, most of the other characters who have showed up, like Lancer, have been pretty hilarious so I can overlook Saber’s role and still enjoy it.

        If I’m not a fan of Fate then I don’t know who would count as one, to be honest.
        That said, my great affection for Fate series in general does not exempt me from finding fault with them. There are definitely times when Fate series add annoying and unnecessary fanservice in my eyes, such as Rin in UBW, or loli Jack the Ripper in Apocrypha. I understand that that straight gals like me are not the target audience for Fate, as it originally started as an eroge, and if you see Last Encore’s fanservice as art all the more power to you. Try as I might, I’m not able to see it as art, and feel a bit annoyed and degraded when I see female characters being objectified. A guy being handed a hardcore yaoi smut manga would likely feel somewhat uncomfortable reading it & wouldn’t be likely to view it as art. Same sort of thing. Even though I’m not a fan of yaoi, it was interesting to see the guys’ faces at anime club when they peered over and saw what some of my more yaoi loving friends were reading. None of them looked like they viewed yaoi as anything even remotely close to “art”.

        If the fanservice wasn’t added to make Last Encore sell, then the alternative is to believe that the writers were just a bunch of horny guys who wanted to draw fanservice. That’s fine, but it’s still not my kind of thing. Fate/Zero is still the greatest Fate anime series to me. FSN had Saber turn into a blushing, embarrassed waifu-type character at the end, in instead of the awesome serious warrior character she had been before then, UBW had lots of Rin fanservice, Apocrypha lost its way by the end, but I still liked each of these series enough despite their faults to keep watching until the end. Last Encore has nothing to really hook me. Making this series’ Saber character cute and fanservice-y instead of cool and serious made me lose interest fast. I like Rin, but even she wasn’t enough to save this series for me. If you enjoy the series that’s great, just don’t ask me to see fanservice as art. I’ve studied art and design, and I know that what people view as art or not is very dependent on their culture, experiences, and values. If you can view fanservice as art that’s fine. I am unable to view fanservice as art because of my experiences and I’m fine with that also. Last Encore just isn’t a Fate series I’m able to enjoy because of that, but if you do then that’s good, and I hope you have fun watching it.

        • meow says:

          You make some great points that hit the mark here and I think you’re making the right decision dropping Encore. It’s nothing like Fate Zero. For one thing, for me at least, the core of Fate Stay Night is that it’s a love story. Yes, battles, famous historical figures come back in a fantastic new form, world threatening crisis. But also, hope for a happily ever after. While this current series is all new content, I think it’s safe to assume it will come out somewhat like the monogatari series. And there were romantic visual novel style elements too. So you’re looking at a cyberpunk/psychological mystery battle tournament mixed in possibly with some random comedy hijinks and a bit of pg level fanservice. At the core though, a love story. Rushed, probably a tragic one but a love story nonetheless.

          There will likely be a potential romance or at least intimacy between Hakuno and Red Saber although for me, not to the depth we see in Fate Stay Night. Spoilers for Fate Extra, you can play a female Hakuno too and have an intimate relationship with Red Saber (female), Caster (female) and Nameless Archer (male), regardless of gender. There is some possible flirting with the major supporting characters Rin or Rani too. CCC ramps this up further, which I think is the major reason why it didn’t get an english adaptation. So if elements of that show up here, you can add Gilgamesh to your roster of potential partners, as well as a few iterations of Sakura. And a bunch of famous personages. Episode 2 had cameos of Leodinas, Darius the 3rd and Fergus mac Róich out of Fate Grand Order. I’m expecting more.

          FSN was an eroge originally because at it’s core, it was a romance novel, with routes for Saber, Rin and Sakura. I’d like to think it didn’t get trashy but that’s another to-each-their-own. So yes, the great warrior woman king is going to get mushy because she’s falling in love. The original Fate Prototype is more classic shojo, with a female Master falling in love with a classic Gary Stu Saber. Rin fanservice in UBW too because it wasn’t about who gets the Grail and wins the war or saves the world but about Shirou and Rin falling in love. The Holy Grail War? A minor magic ritual with little impact on the world. And the eroge part is because it had bedroom scenes. But the setting was just that awesome. The massive setting and awesome support characters like Lancer, Ilya, Kirei, Gilgamesh, etc steal the spotlight easily. Ilya was originally meant to have her own route with Shirou by the way. (Hm, I wonder why that didn’t work out? ) Fate Zero, a backstory to set up why everyone is the way they are. And yet, done so well as to create it’s own fanbase in a different genre, although buried in there too is a tragic love story that culminates midway. Awesome as it was, it was a bad ending for the protagonist there that paved the way for the protagonist in the next generation. Some of the popularity of Prisma Ilya is in that it’s a continuation of an alternate happy ending for Fate Zero. I’m not into loli fanservice either but I’m much less interested in seeing Ilya haunted by the twisted ghost of her beautiful mother, get tortuously operated on and bound to an overpowered Servant, leaving her with the fate of dying way too young in too many horrible ways. >.>; Is this a case of learning to appreciate the best by experiencing the worst?

          I really doubt you’ll lose much missing Encore but I personally love the characters and would love to see what they plan to twist this story into, given what I already know of Extra, CCC and Extella. You could wait for a full review later to get an idea about whether it’s worth your time but given what you said about your tastes, I don’t think you’ll miss much. As for another Fate Zero, the best I can suggest is to wait for the next Heaven’s Feel movie. I hope that doesn’t disappoint, although, again, at it’s core should be the romance between Shirou and Sakura. You already know how it went in the novels. How is Ufotable’s adaptation?

          • Bokusen says:

            Yeah, I think I may have very different reasons for watching Fate than some or maybe most people. I don’t care about the love story part and would be happier if they left it out. The whole “strong female character falls in love and becomes a docile doormat” trope is one of my most majorly disliked tropes and often enough to make me drop a series for life. If the games are all about romancing servants I’m glad I haven’t played them, as they don’t seem to be my sort of thing. If the series must have romance, I’d prefer something more like (although I know it wasn’t a romance) Mordred & Shishigou because they’re basically equals who seem to enjoy each other’s company, without one of them having to stoop to being a doormat. I’d really rather no romance though. It just feels so unnecessary and wrong, especially with servants, since they can be controlled with command spells against their will.
            For me, Fate is an epic battle story which brings to mind a Shakespearean tragedy. Almost everyone dies by the end, but you don’t know how, and watching the characters struggles and triumphs usually has me enraptured.

            Oh, and I should mention that I haven’t seen the monogatari series, aside from when someone at anime club randomly decided to put on “the toothbrush scene” and I got very weirded out. A lot of the others seemed to find it funny though, so perhaps that scene just wasn’t my cup of tea. I did watch the Zaregoto OVA, by the same author, and…well, the mystery was interesting, but the main female character acted like she was 5, which annoyed me enough that I can’t really say it was a “good” series in my view, despite the intriguing mystery. More of a “frustrating” watch. If Last Encore ends up like Zaregoto then it definitely won’t be my kind of show. I might keep up with reviews on it though.

            Yeah, that’s a good point about Prisma Ilya. Better to make a “good end” for her instead of the end she gets, although I could have done without the author inserting their loli fetish into the mix…

            I’m looking forward to the Heaven’s Feel movies, since at least Ufotable’s doing them, so I should have some awesome fight scenes to look at no matter what the story is like, and I’ve been curious about Black Saber since she appeared in Prisma Ilya. Apparently she shows up in Heaven’s Feel, right? Can’t wait.^-^

            Yeah, if you like Fate/Extra & are getting something out of the anime version I’m glad. I’m guessing that this series might be more for fans of the game anyway. I’m more of an anime-only Fate fan, though lately I’ve started branching out to the LN spinoffs. (Besides Fate/Zero, I also have the first volumes of Fate/Strange Fake, Apocrypha, and Lord El-Melloi II Case Files sitting on my Kindle)
            So far it looks like the anime of Fate/Zero was really faithful to the LN, though I’m still fairly early in, and I’ve heard the two diverge completely by the end.
            I tried to play FGO when it first came out in Japan, but Mash just seemed like such an annoying generic moe character to me. Then came the part where she became my character’s servant and I couldn’t put up with it any longer & rage-quit the game in frustration. Maybe it gets better later though.

            Have you played the original FSN VN? I’ve been thinking about watching a Let’s Play of the Fate route, to learn more about the lore of the Fate world. I’d probably quit before the Saber ending that annoyed me, but I can’t help but wonder if the first FSN anime left out a lot of details about the world, which I would have liked to hear as someone who loves detailed world-building.^-^

          • AidanAK47 AidanAK47 says:

            Fate route does have a number of building blocks for the Fate universe, like how magic works and such. But if you have problems with romance and someone becoming a doormat then Fate is the most problematic route. The first Fate anime had people believing Shirou was a sexist after all. While their is an internal monologue that does at least allow you to understand his mindset, there are some rather…questionable lines in there. Personally I see it as an artifact of it’s prototype phase where the genders were reverse for Shirou and Saber so this particular angle the story was going for was much more wholesome.

  3. Bokusen says:

    @Aidan
    Thanks! The reply link didn’t show up, so this will be out of order but oh well.

    Guess I’ll try watching the Fate route then, at least most of it, since I figure the romance part which isn’t my thing wouldn’t have much world-building content anyway. Shirou being sexist doesn’t bother me too much, as long as it’s just the patronizing kind of sexism he shows in the anime. I deal with that kind of thing every day. It’s the controlling or abusive kind of sexism that bothers me (AKA, why I ultimately stopped reading the rape-fetishy Berserk manga), but as long as it doesn’t go into that territory I don’t mind much.

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Kaiser-Eoghan
I may aswell finish it given that that its the last episode.
AidanAK47
So Planet With ends and the madman actually did it. Besides needing a bit more of a epilogue, that was a great finale.
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Animosh: I try to understand, make sense of the other sides views within reason.
Kaiser-Eoghan
I really want a successful fantasy go on an adventure style show though, I feel like I'm genuinely in the mood for one, I've actually considered watching some old ovas of that nature.
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Animosh: The most common thing my father and I talk about is Brexit really and how once upon a time we actually went after tyrants.
Kaiser-Eoghan
And even though I have the God thing, never became a burn the witches kind of person. I do want to put the far right/fascist people in gulags though lol
Kaiser-Eoghan
The Kaiser thing, now that I think about it is actually really odd, I speak minimal German, am no monarchist and am a leftist. Yet even though I hate the bougoiuse , I love aristocratic costumes lol
Kaiser-Eoghan
Then again, it may not be overly odd, there were Maoist priests.
Amagi
@Kaiser-Eoghan: This is pretty common here too. Organized religion isn't popular but most people believe there is a God and, depending on the person and cultural background, that parts of the holy books are true (or not, if they're real agnostics), usually in a metaphorical sense though.
Kaiser-Eoghan
*upbringing
Kaiser-Eoghan
That mixed upbringoing of having a communist father and religious relatives is an interesting thing.....for all of the exploitation I watch, I ctually feel nunsploitation is going too far lol I also sometimes check with my dad before watching certain things to make sure it isn't "too anti-left/anti socialist".
Amagi
@Animosh: No problem. I think it depends a bit on how people were brought up decades ago. It's probably different nowadays, no idea. The arguing was kinda fun though, especially for the teen me (I bet I annoyed the shit out of my father).
Kaiser-Eoghan
Yet having no regard for organized religion.
Kaiser-Eoghan
I however am a mutt though, believer in some kind of a God to an extent....while also having communist sympathies.
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Animosh@Amagi: As it stands neither my mother or brother are communists, actually my mother while very left wing would criticize my father when going "too communist". My parents and my brother are the only members of my family who could be considered leftist/non-religious.
Amagi
@Animosh: Planet With definetely needs some sort of epilogue OVA. You can somewhat guess the dragon's story but it's not the same as seeing it and there are still a few of semi-loose strings like the people who are still dreaming.
Animosh
@Amagi: my apologies for my presumptuousness. ;) My mother occasionally also participated in political discussions, but yeah, for some reason it's often men who have strong political opinions and are not willing to admit defeat in discussions.
Amagi
Also I don't spoil anything but the last minutes of the first episode just feel stupid. I think/hope there will be an explanation later for how something has worked so perfectly that shouldn't have worked at all. In general it seems to be a show that tries hard but can't deliver for some reason. I won't completely judge it yet though.
Animosh
Planet With also wrapped up things nicely. Unfortunately the dragon remains a bit underdeveloped, which makes it difficult for me to care about his fate, and I would have liked to see at least the main ship officially confirmed, but other than that it was an excellent finale that satisfactorily ties up all loose ends. This is how you do a one-cour.
Amagi
Regarding RErideD I have conflicted feelings. As said, the premise sounds pretty good but the budget is damn dab, especially for the beginning of a show. There is a scene in which the MC is so badly animated you can't even recognize what's going on at first.
Amagi
@Animosh: funny enough I am female, but yeah somehow these discussions only exist with fathers while the mothers are just trowing the towel and say "fuck it", I mean it usually doesn't change anybody's mind so it's more of a hobby I guess.
Animosh
It's a bit late, but Hanebado is finally giving me what I wanted from the show: tense, well-animated badminton matches. The match does feel a bit rushed, the overexplaining can be annoying and there's still plenty of melodrama, but it's a lot more enjoyable than what we got in the previous weeks at least.
Anonymous2822860
will be seeing what kind of flaws Ash has. Also, I think this way of characterizing him also fits into the narrative. This strength that Ash has is what pushes his gang members away and see him not as a normal human, but a "king."
Anonymous2822860
That was some interesting insight on Ash as a "perfect" person. While I do think that Banana Fish shows that Ash is an extremely capable person time and time again, he cannot win this "war" alone. There's too many enemies and too many things that need to be done. Also, I think as we get further on into the second cour, we
Anonymous2822162
Also, it's neat watching the first few episodes again after what goes down throughout the first half of the series; you get to see all of the characters together before everything blows up in their face.
Anonymous2822162
When I say perfect characterization, I should say I mean the way he's characterized as this perfect supremely capable person. The other characters do help reveal other aspects of Ash though: Eiji is his age and allows him to be a normal teenager; Max is like a surrogate father and lets him act like a son; Arthur and Dino are kind of evil inverses of that.
Anonymous2822162
When I say perfect charac
Anonymous2822162
Anyways, not to hate on Ash because he's still a fantastic main lead and anchors the whole show. It's just that because he loses sometimes I push some of the problems of his perfect characterization to the side, but when you actually think about it, he seems more like a character than a real person.
Anonymous2822162
Also the fact that Ash has been through a super tragic backstory doesn't help a lot: it seems like the writers are trying to make him a character who has been through all the tragedy in the world and has overcome it and became the most skilled person in the world. I will say though that any onscreen tragedy is 100% believable, it just some of the flashbacks that are a bit too much.
Anonymous2822162
I guess that slightly cheapens Ash's character on retrospection: of course he is still the charismatic lead, but he feels a bit too perfect at everything. Dino must have taught him quite a bit, but Ash is skilled in, like, everything. It just seems a bit too much.
Anonymous2822162
Like the whole Yut-Lung Shorter Eiji situation was beyond Ash (in fact he still knew something was off but couldn't pinpoint what); that wasn't really a mistake Ash made, it was just that he couldn't have known the secret connections Yut-Lung had.
Anonymous2822162
Something I noticed about Ash is that he is, as some of you pointed out, a Gary Stu but it doesn't immediately jump at you. The thing is that Ash still loses quite a bit, so he doesn't seem invincible, yet at the same I think the majority of his losses were beyond his control. It doesn't feel like he makes mistakes, rather that other people outmaneuver him due to factors beyond him.
Animosh
@Kaiser & Amagi: I also had lots of political discussions with my father. Didn't know that was such a common occurrence. Boys will be boys I guess? And he's actually a former Marxist too, having grown up in the 60's-70's and all. Now he's just a boring socialist though. ;)
Animosh
RErideD seemed really promising in theory: an original time travel anime written (at least in part) by Abe, with the director of Steins;Gate in charge? Count me in. But unfortunately the reviews so far seem to be uniformly negative. So I'll probably avoid it for now.
Kaiser-Eoghan
Four episodes of RErideD: Tokigoe no Derrida got uploaded at the same time earlier.
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Lenlo: Yes, although probably just for the Saturday, usually the best day to do so because thats when the sellers are there, usually everythings gone by Sunday. Friday is generally anime pub quiz.
Lenlo
Its just a saturday, so busy. And Kaiser, nice. Gonna go to the con at all?
Lenlo
As a writer for it, I dont believe so?
Anonymous2818178
is this site dead?
Kaiser-Eoghan
There is an animecon here in two weeks. That eyepatchwolf youtuber will be there.
Kaiser-Eoghan
I still have old single issues of fushigi yugi, inuyasha, Ah my Goddess, narutaru laid around.
Kaiser-Eoghan
They used to realease them like single American comic book issues in the west.
Kaiser-Eoghan
I'm not talking bound volumes but actual 20-30 pages chapters and these would be expensive.
Kaiser-Eoghan
Who remembers RENTING anime dvds and RENTING videogames? Does anyone else remember buying each individual manga chapter as they came out when the official English translations rolled around?
Kaiser-Eoghan
Anyone willing to post their desktop? https://ibb.co/buc4Zz
Kaiser-Eoghan
Or things like Mischief makers .
Kaiser-Eoghan
I know vonter mentioned Mystical ninja 64. But I remember after I'd moved on from the snes to the N64 when I was younger, growing up with that obscure castlevania game on it, or stuff like those 3D bomberman games no-one cared about. Or obscure stuff like body harvest, jet force gemini, blast corps , turok, quest 64 and shadowman.
Kaiser-Eoghan
I love coming across those online lists of literally WHOtier, WHOcares , games literally only YOU liked and heard of/played. Makes me feel less alone.
Amagi
I was also always discussing about politics with my father. Whenever we started with this my mother just said "porca putana" and went into another room to watch tv in peace.
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Animemosh: lol I have daily political discussion with my Marxist-Leninist father just like that =)
Kaiser-Eoghan
Oh I should state, even though I'm not as bothered by the modern setting, I actually do prefer the cold war narrative.
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Animosh: The documentries name was Battle of Chile by Patricio Guzman.
Amagi
Especially since I don't think that the typical BF audience is of a kind that would lose interest because a series is taking place in the past. It was just written for the 80s, people can't just change that without changing the story itself to some degree.
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Animosh: I thought the anime did such a good job with Shio's backstory , that I didn't miss what was omitted. The anime is now up to date with the scans. I do agree that Satou's obsession with Shio is non-pedophilic but I think the scene itself is kind of going to give the wrong message.
Amagi
@Animosh: one of the many reasons why I would have prefered Banana Fish's original setting.
Animosh
By the way, apparently the backstory of Shio's mother - which supposedly is really tragic - was largely skipped. Guess I'll have to read the manga.
Animosh
I get what they're going for, recreating the ritual and all, but I also thought the Shio-Satou moment was a bit forced. I still think their relationship is platonic though. Satou has never been shown to lust after Shio: she just fills her with warmth and happiness. They're more like messed up siblings than (romantic) lovers.
Animosh
@Kaiser: sounds interesting! Chile is an excellent example of the kind of Cold War intervention that I really don't see happening today. Although you never know with an impulsive narcissist in the White House.
Animosh
End of monologue. Sorry about this. :p
Animosh
Long story short: I think the Banana Fish conspiracies fail to adequately represent the current situation. At the very least, it fits the Cold War world order much better.
Animosh
That includes the US (backing the Kurds and the rebels), but also Turkey and the Arab states (Sunni rebels), Russia and Iran (Assad), and so on and so forth. You can't act like this is the fault of one party. Hell, I'd say Russia and Assad are more responsible for failing to a peaceful resolution when they had the chance.
Animosh
As for Syria, it's a mess, but the US is only one of many parties responsible. And oil isn't particularly important in this conflict. It's a civil war that's been made much worse by the influx of money and weapons from many different parties vying for regional influence.
Animosh
So what does it do? It gives military and financial backing to militias with shared interests (which is much less than Russia does, by the way), orders drone strikes, and perhaps the occasional tactical strike. But overthrowing countries and setting up puppet regimes? I don't see it happening. That's basically declaring war on the other big powers.
Animosh
And even when it does intervene militarily, it rarely goes all out. The US has learned from Iraq and Afghanistan. It doesn't want to be dragged into another endless conflict, or see its efforts end in another brutal civil war that destabilizes the region.
Animosh
So although the US occasionally still intervenes militarily in other countries' affairs, other means of pressure are now more popular. The sanctions against Iran and North Korea are a good example of this.
Animosh
The current landscape is much more complex. America is still powerful, of course, but relatively speaking it is in decline, and that means it can get away with much less. Today's world is closer to a multipolar world, with many sides fighting for influence. And because the ideological conflict is much less pronounced, the US is much less willing to go against its purported values.
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Animosh: Coincidentally I recently watched a series of Chilean documentaries regarding the murder of Salvador Allende and the installation of the Pinochet Junta.
Animosh
And that meant both that America was far more powerful than it is now, and that much more intervention was considered acceptable - including shamelessly backing dictators that oppressed and exploited their people. After all, a defeat meant evil would prevail.
Animosh
Obviously the US still interferes in other countries. Quite a lot, actually. But there's a big difference between its current policy and that during the Cold War. Back then the geopolitical landscape was very different. It was bipolar, with two big Isms (capitalism and communism) fighting it out.
Animosh
@anon: not sure if this is the right place for a political discussion, but whatever. I like politics, so here we go.
Kaiser-Eoghan
*was no exception
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Animosh: If, out of the many moments in happy sugar life that I'd consider unsettling, it would be the one's with the aunt and this weeks episode was an exception. That last part of the episode will be interpreted as shoujo-ai bait by people though.
Kaiser-Eoghan
Looking forward to Angels of death next week, I think we're getting answers, glad to get answers on bad guy even if he is a simple villain.
Kaiser-Eoghan
Now this is an interesting coincidence as last night I just got done watching a documentary about cyberwarfare against Iran.
Kaiser-Eoghan
Thats alot more detailed than what I was going to say. I was just going to say that it reflects current foreign policy.
Anonymous2808488
however the current stalemate in Syria is a reflection of the intransigence of the monied elite to not let go of ill-gotten gains, constantly provoking conflict with Russia/Assad/Iran
Anonymous2808488
Its a documented fact the US/EU promoted the Arab Spring/ISIS rebellions and it was stopped by patriots with a conscience
Anonymous2808488
replace with the mexican cartels/Hezbollah, and oil money promised to Cheney-connected Genie enerrgy
Anonymous2808488
its a pretty accurate description of the current reality minus a couple silly things like the mafia and mind control drugs
Anonymous2808488
You guys realize this plot is unfolding in Syria just replace drugs with oil money
Lenlo
Its hokey in the now, but in the original context the series was written, the Cold War, I think it could fit really well.
Animosh
@Kaiser: what felt awkward to you? I thought the pumpkin stuff in particular was pretty hilarious. Eiji is an evil guy. :p
Animosh
Yeah, the conspiracy stuff feels a bit wacky in the present. But in the context of the Cold War, it makes perfect sense. The USA supported plenty of bloody coups after all, especially in Latin America. Hell, they even backed the Taliban in their war against Russia.
Kaiser-Eoghan
In the future I want to make a bigger effort to follow MORE of whats being covered on here seasonally.
Kaiser-Eoghan
http://kissmanga.com/Manga/Red
https://manganelo.com/manga/red_naoki_yamamoto Two history manga, wonder if they'll be fully translated.
Kaiser-Eoghan
I imagine most will probably agree with you anon though. I have alien taste/opinions. I also love conspiracy stuff =P
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Anon: Originally, in the manga version of that part, it was attacking communism in south America.
Anonymous2805624
I don't know; I kinda find the whole Middle East stuff a bit hokey; maybe that's just me.
Lenlo
Im about to watch it. Looking forward to it
Kaiser-Eoghan
I know its only one line, but that they still mention skip and shorter, even its just their names, at least the show keeps them in mind.
Kaiser-Eoghan
With episode 12, Banana fish has successfully contemporized its political/cospiracy aspect for me . Eiji is semi-uselful. Humour in this episode for the first time feels awkward, fast pace kind of means that the quieter slower scenes , though I still enjoy them, feel slotted in.
Lenlo
Most of my emotions this week came because of the original and my love of it, not this one
Lenlo
I agree, Steins;Gate 0 had all the potential, and there are some specific episodes that realized it. Like this episode had a lot of touching scenes cause it slowed down to play up Okabe's relationship with Amadeus. But most of the time, it fails to reach that potential. So as a whole it just feels... lacking
Kaiser-Eoghan
Plebs, not combining both into a single dessert.
Anonymous2802297
I'm talking about that sweet saccharine Chocolate Mousse, the Ganache, or the Chocolate Gâteau. Your puny muffin stands no chance. Mwahaha!
Anonymous2802297
Blasphemy. As a proud American, I can't stand for anything less than pure unadulterated diabetes-inducing sugar in chocolatey cake form. Anything less is an insult to my great nation. /s
SuperMario
@anon2801739: that's a nice analogy but I can't say I agree as I prefer chocolate muffin much more than chocolate cake :)))
Anonymous2801739
Steins;gate 0 is all potential but generally it's wasted. Whenever it actually seems promising they manage to jump plot points to boring nonsensical melodrama for a century. It was supposed to be a chocolate cake. Instead what we got was a muffin with tiny chocolate chips buried few and far between. Yeah it's still sweet at some points, but most of the time you're chewing through pointless fluff.
Lenlo
Like I said in my last post on it I think, the pacing is fucked
Animosh
I did like that the lab members finally acted like scientists again, methodically thinking through their options and all, and there were some pretty touching individual moments and nicely tied up ends. But mostly I'm just annoyed by all the unfulfilled potential of this show.
Animosh
I also hated the backtracking in the beginning. Don't make such a big deal of The Return if you're going to throw it out of the window in the next episode.
Animosh
I really don't understand Steins;Gate's pacing. It slows down to a trickle in the largely irrelevant middle part, and now that things are finally getting somewhat interesting again it just speeds through everything without building things up properly? I don't get it. And how on Earth are they going to resolve everything satisfactorily in one episode?
KTravlos
Reinhard (old series). Ash is interesting and depicted well, but not close to Reinhard. There is something noble in Reinhard, something beyond charisma.
Anonymous2797046
In a charisma battle between our two favorite Blond Boys (doing what blond boys do), who'd win: Reinhard or Ash?
Kaiser-Eoghan
Kind of felt this is what prelude penultimate episode/calm before the storm episode should be and I liked quite liked the ginko and souya scene, but I'm still eh, I shrug at this.
Vonter
After watching some more Star vs. the forces of evil. I'm getting Jitsu wa Watashi wa vibes. The Sailor Moon-like character episode was cute.
Kaiser-Eoghan
The bullying arc in sangatsu made me want to shootup the school.
Lenlo
I will admit, the family life stuff is less engaging than the crippling depression, but I dont think that would hit as hard with out the relaxing bits in between. Dont want to overload the audience.
Anonymous2791561
3-gatsu no Lion has its ups and downs; its ups are the intense emotional drama or shogi matches, while it's downs are the more relaxed slice of life food porn stuff. When I say up and down, I don't necessarily mean good and bad, just more about the intensity. I personally found that I could enjoy both styles, but sometimes I'd find the slice of life stuff dragging on.
SuperMario
Well, I regard 3-gatsu as one of the best character-writing in this medium in recent years. As for shaft, I'm their fan but even me was worried when I learnt Shaft adapting this. They did a nice job thankfully
Kaiser-Eoghan
Though I was glad that the comedy becomes more reigned in later on.
Kaiser-Eoghan
I got used to the tonally discordant humour eventually, accepting that the show essentially exists in two plains.
Kaiser-Eoghan
In tsukiyomi moon phase Shinbo made some of the shots look like photos, which was cool given the protaganists profession. Their weird style also was a good fit for an oddball show like Zetsubou-sensei.
Lenlo
I just finished the 4th episode, and so far I am torn on Akari. Im still not sure what to make of some of these relationships. I love the permeated depression theme in every episode though.
Kaiser-Eoghan
I wonder if it will get a third season.
Kaiser-Eoghan
I want Akari to be my mom.
Kaiser-Eoghan
Hmmm only 9 out of 13 volumes adapted, which means the anime hasn't adapted the best bit.
Kaiser-Eoghan
Unfortunate that the sangatsu manga doesn't update often.
Kaiser-Eoghan
While I haven't seen it, I heard that vocaloid thing shaft adapted was very poorly suited to their style.
Lenlo
If a drama can actually make me feel something, actual emotions, then its a success. But it takes a pretty good, well made drama to do that.
Lenlo
I am very particular about my Drama'
Lenlo
Im planning on burning through the whole thing in the next few days. Maybe then ill try the manga, since there is probably more
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Lenlo: I didn't think your lie in April or sangatsu would actually be your thing. They're very drama-ey.
Lenlo
Basically im with Kaiser on this one. As for Shaft, I am very show by show with them. I couldnt stand Nisekoi, yet Sangatsu's color palette and way of drawing faces really has me
Lenlo
See, so far it has a very Mushishi/Fune wo Amu/Your Lie in April feel to me. I love these kinds of things animated, because I feel the music and color-choices really help set things in the mood.
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Mario@Lenlo: We can be Kanabros for life all three of us ;)
Kaiser-Eoghan
But in general I do think shafts style lends itself at its best to more comedic work.
Kaiser-Eoghan
I actually felt that shafts style elevated their adaptation of Sangatsu. I find it easier to watch these slow paced shows than reading them. Also Kana Hanazawa.
SuperMario
Shaft's style can be a hit or miss with the audience, however. While I don't mind that, I still would recommend you try the manga instead
SuperMario
Oh, so you still have, like, 40 episodes left
Lenlo
Huh. Finally got around to March Comes in Like a Lion, gotta say. 3 episodes in, its pretty good
Kaiser-Eoghan
Speaking of it though, I wish they'd get that proposed new Vampire hunter D anime off the ground.
Kaiser-Eoghan
Though my memory on this is extremely fuzy.
Kaiser-Eoghan
Y'know, I saw an article there on anime news network referring to the second vampire hunter D film, I know I watched it years and years ago, loved it, but I forget the plot, thinking about it now, how was the dude D was after supposed to survive without blood after buggering off to space alone with the girl?
Anonymous2786239
Amen to that
Anonymous2785164
I read blogs to see opinions on anime, not to read about how blog writer is much better than some youtuber I probably have never heard of :D
Anonymous2785164
Anyway, don't any of you guys let that get up to your head :p I'm also annoyed whenever media producers start mocking each other and setting themselves up as better.
Anonymous2785164
Nothing is more annoying to me than nerd doing the stereotypical nerd voice to mock people
Anonymous2785164
Either way, I kinda dislike majority geek youtubers because I find them all to be hypocrites. Like for example, complaining about commentors correcting them or nitpicking them when all of them are nitpickers themselves :P
Anonymous2785164
That said, he has habit of commenting on things way too early only to later on to be proven wrong by end of the anime :P
Anonymous2785164
That said, I don't remember Mother's Basement being that bad besides that he for most parts really sucks when talking about video games despite apparently having studied game development
Anonymous2785164
@AidanAK47: I don't actually like any of anime youtubers. They all seems to be pervs to me and I'm actually rather prude person :p
Anonymous2785164
Hmm this chat is being buggy again and I can't change username from anonymous right now :P ANnoying~
SuperMario
@Lenlo: Readers will enjoy us more if we can throw some meme references... proof that we're still not out of touch with current trends ^^
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Lenlo: I mean the opposite, the posts here are good because they don't use quips. They aren't fanboyish either.
Lenlo
Are you telling me I need to insert more quips. jokes and one-lines into my posts? Cause I can do that
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Aidan: Drop grand blue if its taking up too much time, I know you are busy.
Kaiser-Eoghan
Thats why I enjoy reading blog articles like on here. I feel the writers on here never sound like awful fanboys or quiplords.
Kaiser-Eoghan
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