Posted by AidanAK47 on 20 February 2018 with categories: Currently Watching:, Fate/Extra Last Encore

Well is it just going to be a thing from now on to have Nero take a bath in between floors? The large amount of Nero fanservice seems a bit of the excessive side and I feel like shaft is to blame for that. As a matter of fact now might be a good time to bring up cons with this series seeing as we have made it past the three episode guideline. So far I still remain somewhat invested in the story but I admit that we may be moving to a formula with how to approach the remaining masters. Seems that Hakuno and Nero will move to the floor, have an encounter with the master and his servent, meet some serventless master on the floor who clues them in with exposition before moving to take down the floor master. Then wash, rinse and repeat. Likely there is some changes to this coming but if this is to be the formula going forward this could get rather stale.

It wouldn’t be such a problem if the action was good but I find that Shinbo’s style doesn’t quite work well with the normally kinetic nature of Fate’s servant battles. It works when the characters are standing round having a chat so when it comes to exposition that this series is shoveling out heavily, Shinbo’s style works. But with it comes to action scenes, the quick cuts and odd determination to not show attacks actually hitting proves to be rather frustrating to watch. It might be rather unreasonable to expect Shaft to bring the level of fights Ufotable has trained fans to expect but even the likes of Prisma Illya and Apocrypha attempted to meet that expectation. For this however the style is clearly getting in the way of making the action work which is a same as the opening does show that Shaft can make some rather excellent fight choreography.

On that note I am disappointed to see that Drake wasn’t added to the opening and instead it remains being just Nero fighting off shadows. The song is growing on me but it does feel like a song that lacks an explosive chorus. Instead building throughout the song to just cut off suddenly. The endings are updated at least to show the master/servant duo of the week and the illustrations are quite excellent. For another previously mentioned con, the Nero fanservice is getting on the excessive side though I am surprised that they didn’t take the opportunity to show off Rin in the bath if that was the agenda. Look, Nero is such a narcissist that she thinks nothing about showing her naked body to people but having her walk out of the bath wearing nothing but a ribbon is just going far too far. In the first place, did I miss the bonding session where Nero became so comfortable with Hakuno in the first place?

Nero seems awfully attached for a servant that only knew her master for a day or two. Though yes this brings me on to my next con, Hakuno desperately needs some goddamn personality. All we got from him is that he has this vague hatred and a need to win the holy grail war. He still is the player character of the game and this is truly a missed opportunity to give him some characterization. At least we could have taken the route done with Persona 4’s protagonist which turned a normal mute player character into a deadpan snarker. Or even Gudako from Fate/Grand Order who has basically been characterised as a massive troll by supplementary content. (God I wish she was the protagonist of Grand Orders anime, could have gotten some amusement out of it then.)

Moving on to another con, we have Rin disappear and a new girl pop up called Rani. I am really quite surprised to see Nasu actually bring Rani into this as while she was a character in the Fate/Extra game, she wasn’t a fan favorite despite being a potential main heroine. Personality I always saw her being destined to join the backalley alliance in Carnival Phantasm featuring the unloved Sacchin, Sion and Riesbyfe.(Though maybe Sacchin wouldn’t be so unloved if she got her damn route in that Tsukihime remake that you should have been done writing about now Nasu!) Ultimately Rani’s purpose her is to shovel exposition which has gotten rather excessive with this series but we at least learn that this anime is set far into the future and that the digital humans within this virtual world may be the last remnants of mankind. Not sure what to make of that as I am still trying to piece together just what is going on too much to actually find the reveal all too shocking. I spent the majority to this post talking flaws but overall this episode was rather straightforward, new servant, new exposition dump and more questions.

A noteworthy aspect though is that this particular master and servant have done a completely 180 in how they were in the game. Before the old man was the one who wanted to fight fair and square which often worked against his servants style who is more accustomed to playing dirty. It’s a pity as i rather liked that dynamic in the games story but lets see just where this is going. As a last note it appears this series has two arcs, the first of which is this one named “Oblitus Copernican Theory” and a second arc named “Illustrious Ptolemaic Theory” which will be broadcast at a later unconfirmed date. It has not been clarified whether the second arc is a second cour of sorts though I am placing my bets on it being another 12 episodes. Some seem to believe that this is doing some sort of Danganronpa 3 Future/past arc broadcast with the future arc being broadcast first with the past arc answering questions. Though considering how unpredictable this series has been as of late, we really cannot guess as to what we are truly going to get.

8 Responses

  1. meow says:

    This is probably Rani’s first mass audience exposure so I expect she’ll get lots of spotlight, perhaps more so than Rin? And I’m not sure if this is the last we’ll see of either as things move forward. They were both major supporting characters in both Extra and CCC, although I really hated how they handled having to choose one or the other in Extra for each route. As for Drake, well, she and Shinji were the sacrificial stepping stones to move Hakuno up a level so we may not see them again til near the end, if at all, much like Fate Extra. I’m pretty sure Drake didn’t make a comeback in CCC either, which I thought was a shame. Pretty glad she got her own chapter in FGO and looking forward to her Extella Links debut. About your dissatisfaction about her lack of resistance last episode, I’m pretty sure she let them win because she hated being stuck on the first level like that. The whole theme of that episode seemed to be about the horror of stagnation and foregoing progress or evolution for fear of death. >.> Even that whiny Shinji didn’t do his usual “No! I don’t want to die!” freak out dance or take the out Drake offered him, preferring death to losing his safe zone.

    About Nero and baths, it’s just Nero’s thing. When they were promoting Fate Extra for the PSP, they had a fanservice minigame for Nero on the website where you had to get her bath hot enough for her to use (it might still be up for people to play) and a few special romance route/plot progression scenes for Nero in all Extra/Extella games were held in baths. I would just ignore it if it’s not your thing. Bath scenes were also a speciality for the monogatari series too so I’d be more surprised if they didn’t take advantage of this.

  2. Bokusen says:

    Well that settles it. I haven’t watched this episode due to being disappointed in the last one, though I figured I’d check out this review just in case, but if the series’ creators have so little confidence in the series they’re making that they feel the need to add lots of fanservice in order to make it sell, then their series isn’t worth my time.

    • meow says:

      To each their own. I completely dropped Inuyashiki after watching a kid brutally murder an innocent family in cold blood for his own amusement. With a strong feeling that this kid was going to be one of the main “protagonists”. And that was just the 2nd episode. I can’t understand what turns people on to such gratuitous brutality. The sheer effort they went to detail such a horrific scene. But I guess that’s the nature of art. Different people express themselves differently and the response of the audience may be equally varied. I have to strongly disagree that those bath scenes were “added” just to make it sell. It’s what they wanted to create and there are people who might consider it, like the successful monogatari series, a work of art, just like Inuyashiki. You’re probably making the right call for yourself. We all have our turn-offs and I doubt Fate Extra has a lot to offer to people who aren’t into the franchise.

      • Bokusen says:

        Which franchise? The video game Fate/Extra & it’s sequel? The greater Fate franchise? If it’s the former then you’re right. I haven’t played it and thus have no opinion on it. If it’s the latter, well I’ve watched every Fate anime series since Fate/Stay Night, and only dropped Prisma Illya out of all of them (due to excessive loli fanservice), though I lasted until the end of the first season of Prisma Illya and regretted it. I should have just dropped it after the one awesome fight scene. Sometimes I’m just too lenient with Fate series.
        I’m reading the Fate/Zero light novels and following the anime of Emiya-san chi no Kyou no Gohan currently, which despite not being a fan of the “docile perfect waifu” side of Saber which shows up in the latter, most of the other characters who have showed up, like Lancer, have been pretty hilarious so I can overlook Saber’s role and still enjoy it.

        If I’m not a fan of Fate then I don’t know who would count as one, to be honest.
        That said, my great affection for Fate series in general does not exempt me from finding fault with them. There are definitely times when Fate series add annoying and unnecessary fanservice in my eyes, such as Rin in UBW, or loli Jack the Ripper in Apocrypha. I understand that that straight gals like me are not the target audience for Fate, as it originally started as an eroge, and if you see Last Encore’s fanservice as art all the more power to you. Try as I might, I’m not able to see it as art, and feel a bit annoyed and degraded when I see female characters being objectified. A guy being handed a hardcore yaoi smut manga would likely feel somewhat uncomfortable reading it & wouldn’t be likely to view it as art. Same sort of thing. Even though I’m not a fan of yaoi, it was interesting to see the guys’ faces at anime club when they peered over and saw what some of my more yaoi loving friends were reading. None of them looked like they viewed yaoi as anything even remotely close to “art”.

        If the fanservice wasn’t added to make Last Encore sell, then the alternative is to believe that the writers were just a bunch of horny guys who wanted to draw fanservice. That’s fine, but it’s still not my kind of thing. Fate/Zero is still the greatest Fate anime series to me. FSN had Saber turn into a blushing, embarrassed waifu-type character at the end, in instead of the awesome serious warrior character she had been before then, UBW had lots of Rin fanservice, Apocrypha lost its way by the end, but I still liked each of these series enough despite their faults to keep watching until the end. Last Encore has nothing to really hook me. Making this series’ Saber character cute and fanservice-y instead of cool and serious made me lose interest fast. I like Rin, but even she wasn’t enough to save this series for me. If you enjoy the series that’s great, just don’t ask me to see fanservice as art. I’ve studied art and design, and I know that what people view as art or not is very dependent on their culture, experiences, and values. If you can view fanservice as art that’s fine. I am unable to view fanservice as art because of my experiences and I’m fine with that also. Last Encore just isn’t a Fate series I’m able to enjoy because of that, but if you do then that’s good, and I hope you have fun watching it.

        • meow says:

          You make some great points that hit the mark here and I think you’re making the right decision dropping Encore. It’s nothing like Fate Zero. For one thing, for me at least, the core of Fate Stay Night is that it’s a love story. Yes, battles, famous historical figures come back in a fantastic new form, world threatening crisis. But also, hope for a happily ever after. While this current series is all new content, I think it’s safe to assume it will come out somewhat like the monogatari series. And there were romantic visual novel style elements too. So you’re looking at a cyberpunk/psychological mystery battle tournament mixed in possibly with some random comedy hijinks and a bit of pg level fanservice. At the core though, a love story. Rushed, probably a tragic one but a love story nonetheless.

          There will likely be a potential romance or at least intimacy between Hakuno and Red Saber although for me, not to the depth we see in Fate Stay Night. Spoilers for Fate Extra, you can play a female Hakuno too and have an intimate relationship with Red Saber (female), Caster (female) and Nameless Archer (male), regardless of gender. There is some possible flirting with the major supporting characters Rin or Rani too. CCC ramps this up further, which I think is the major reason why it didn’t get an english adaptation. So if elements of that show up here, you can add Gilgamesh to your roster of potential partners, as well as a few iterations of Sakura. And a bunch of famous personages. Episode 2 had cameos of Leodinas, Darius the 3rd and Fergus mac Róich out of Fate Grand Order. I’m expecting more.

          FSN was an eroge originally because at it’s core, it was a romance novel, with routes for Saber, Rin and Sakura. I’d like to think it didn’t get trashy but that’s another to-each-their-own. So yes, the great warrior woman king is going to get mushy because she’s falling in love. The original Fate Prototype is more classic shojo, with a female Master falling in love with a classic Gary Stu Saber. Rin fanservice in UBW too because it wasn’t about who gets the Grail and wins the war or saves the world but about Shirou and Rin falling in love. The Holy Grail War? A minor magic ritual with little impact on the world. And the eroge part is because it had bedroom scenes. But the setting was just that awesome. The massive setting and awesome support characters like Lancer, Ilya, Kirei, Gilgamesh, etc steal the spotlight easily. Ilya was originally meant to have her own route with Shirou by the way. (Hm, I wonder why that didn’t work out? ) Fate Zero, a backstory to set up why everyone is the way they are. And yet, done so well as to create it’s own fanbase in a different genre, although buried in there too is a tragic love story that culminates midway. Awesome as it was, it was a bad ending for the protagonist there that paved the way for the protagonist in the next generation. Some of the popularity of Prisma Ilya is in that it’s a continuation of an alternate happy ending for Fate Zero. I’m not into loli fanservice either but I’m much less interested in seeing Ilya haunted by the twisted ghost of her beautiful mother, get tortuously operated on and bound to an overpowered Servant, leaving her with the fate of dying way too young in too many horrible ways. >.>; Is this a case of learning to appreciate the best by experiencing the worst?

          I really doubt you’ll lose much missing Encore but I personally love the characters and would love to see what they plan to twist this story into, given what I already know of Extra, CCC and Extella. You could wait for a full review later to get an idea about whether it’s worth your time but given what you said about your tastes, I don’t think you’ll miss much. As for another Fate Zero, the best I can suggest is to wait for the next Heaven’s Feel movie. I hope that doesn’t disappoint, although, again, at it’s core should be the romance between Shirou and Sakura. You already know how it went in the novels. How is Ufotable’s adaptation?

          • Bokusen says:

            Yeah, I think I may have very different reasons for watching Fate than some or maybe most people. I don’t care about the love story part and would be happier if they left it out. The whole “strong female character falls in love and becomes a docile doormat” trope is one of my most majorly disliked tropes and often enough to make me drop a series for life. If the games are all about romancing servants I’m glad I haven’t played them, as they don’t seem to be my sort of thing. If the series must have romance, I’d prefer something more like (although I know it wasn’t a romance) Mordred & Shishigou because they’re basically equals who seem to enjoy each other’s company, without one of them having to stoop to being a doormat. I’d really rather no romance though. It just feels so unnecessary and wrong, especially with servants, since they can be controlled with command spells against their will.
            For me, Fate is an epic battle story which brings to mind a Shakespearean tragedy. Almost everyone dies by the end, but you don’t know how, and watching the characters struggles and triumphs usually has me enraptured.

            Oh, and I should mention that I haven’t seen the monogatari series, aside from when someone at anime club randomly decided to put on “the toothbrush scene” and I got very weirded out. A lot of the others seemed to find it funny though, so perhaps that scene just wasn’t my cup of tea. I did watch the Zaregoto OVA, by the same author, and…well, the mystery was interesting, but the main female character acted like she was 5, which annoyed me enough that I can’t really say it was a “good” series in my view, despite the intriguing mystery. More of a “frustrating” watch. If Last Encore ends up like Zaregoto then it definitely won’t be my kind of show. I might keep up with reviews on it though.

            Yeah, that’s a good point about Prisma Ilya. Better to make a “good end” for her instead of the end she gets, although I could have done without the author inserting their loli fetish into the mix…

            I’m looking forward to the Heaven’s Feel movies, since at least Ufotable’s doing them, so I should have some awesome fight scenes to look at no matter what the story is like, and I’ve been curious about Black Saber since she appeared in Prisma Ilya. Apparently she shows up in Heaven’s Feel, right? Can’t wait.^-^

            Yeah, if you like Fate/Extra & are getting something out of the anime version I’m glad. I’m guessing that this series might be more for fans of the game anyway. I’m more of an anime-only Fate fan, though lately I’ve started branching out to the LN spinoffs. (Besides Fate/Zero, I also have the first volumes of Fate/Strange Fake, Apocrypha, and Lord El-Melloi II Case Files sitting on my Kindle)
            So far it looks like the anime of Fate/Zero was really faithful to the LN, though I’m still fairly early in, and I’ve heard the two diverge completely by the end.
            I tried to play FGO when it first came out in Japan, but Mash just seemed like such an annoying generic moe character to me. Then came the part where she became my character’s servant and I couldn’t put up with it any longer & rage-quit the game in frustration. Maybe it gets better later though.

            Have you played the original FSN VN? I’ve been thinking about watching a Let’s Play of the Fate route, to learn more about the lore of the Fate world. I’d probably quit before the Saber ending that annoyed me, but I can’t help but wonder if the first FSN anime left out a lot of details about the world, which I would have liked to hear as someone who loves detailed world-building.^-^

          • AidanAK47 AidanAK47 says:

            Fate route does have a number of building blocks for the Fate universe, like how magic works and such. But if you have problems with romance and someone becoming a doormat then Fate is the most problematic route. The first Fate anime had people believing Shirou was a sexist after all. While their is an internal monologue that does at least allow you to understand his mindset, there are some rather…questionable lines in there. Personally I see it as an artifact of it’s prototype phase where the genders were reverse for Shirou and Saber so this particular angle the story was going for was much more wholesome.

  3. Bokusen says:

    @Aidan
    Thanks! The reply link didn’t show up, so this will be out of order but oh well.

    Guess I’ll try watching the Fate route then, at least most of it, since I figure the romance part which isn’t my thing wouldn’t have much world-building content anyway. Shirou being sexist doesn’t bother me too much, as long as it’s just the patronizing kind of sexism he shows in the anime. I deal with that kind of thing every day. It’s the controlling or abusive kind of sexism that bothers me (AKA, why I ultimately stopped reading the rape-fetishy Berserk manga), but as long as it doesn’t go into that territory I don’t mind much.

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*is in
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I shouldn't use so many brackets.
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@Aidan: Just imagine going to the west of Ireland and asking them about the internet.
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The anon might want to watch that though, a torrent of it recently got uploaded.
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Also Let me eat your pancreas wasn't shown here. But it was shown in Australia.
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Although there are some films that America gets that we don't, the Heavens feel, the Madoka movies and Nanoha reflection showed in America but not here.
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@SuperMario: That would be great.
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I saw an older woman in my screening of Maquia and talked to her after it and she liked it.
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But I'm genuinely surprised that my country would actually even go that far to even show them.
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@Amagi: I have gone to almost every anime screening since the early 2000s and continue to.
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if so anybody have any good sad anime movies?
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@Mario: I finally got around to Aki Kaurasamaki's films, watched I hired a contract killer, I like dry, sad bastard black humour like that and even when it wasn't being amusing I enjoyed the whole quirky tone throughout it.
Kaiser-Eoghan
I decided to watch season 2 of sound euphonium before getting to liz and the bluebird. I would like to see more of this. I guess I liked Asuka's arc.
Kaiser-Eoghan
I think bloom into you has stood out in how its dealt with Nanami's insecurities and backstory, found myself liking that one side character Sayaka more. There will be an arc where they do some kind of play which compliments/links in well with nanami's character.
Animosh
But yeah, I agree the series has great character writing. In hindsight, it's kind of a shame you picked Irozuku over Bloom into You. It had a great premiere and some stunning scenes, but the characters are so incredibly droll that there's just not much to write about. They're both slow burns, but Bloom into You gives you much more to think about.
Animosh
So I think the crossing the line thing is ambiguous between your interpretation and Yuu's subconscious fear that if she initiates things, displays her affection towards Nanami (and a passionate kiss that Yuu initiates certainly seems to qualify), then that will be the end of things. Actually, it's probably a bit of both.
Animosh
@SuperMario: I think Yuu is also aware that Nanami does not want Yuu to fall in love with her (I mean, it's hard not to after that death stare). And as a result she can never initiate things, because showing affection would undermine the whole reason Nanami fell in love with her. And Yuu obviously does not want this relationship to end.
Anonymous3177625
Did uh that really happen in BF? Probably not, but dang if that really was the case then stuff got real
SuperMario
@Animosh: the thing is Yuu takes the special attraction from Nanami for granted, and her mode is that she “doesn’t hate” it. She doesn’t hate it when she spends time alone with Nanami, she doesn’t hate it when they kiss. So for Yuu, when Nanami askes her to actively do it, it’a the first time Yuu feels like she’s crossing the line. Some really great character writing there
Anonymous3175137
It boils down to a female-targeted version of those moe shows that I don't care about all that much. Just replace the cute girls with hot boys.
Anonymous3175137
Compared to Katsugeki, where it tried to sell the series as something more than just a mobile adaptation and tried to court non-fans, here I got exactly what I expected; something safe and predictable, and catering exclusively to fans. So I got nothing out of it.
Anonymous3175137
Is there some sort of moe equivalent for male characters? Because this show probably counts as one. otoh, my feelings towards it are like most CGDCT anime: indifference.
Anonymous3175137
I think the oddest thing I did regarding anime this year was how I sat through both season of Touken Ranbu Hanamaru (including the one that aired earlier this winter), and didn't claw my eyes out when it's basically an unfortunate mix of a mobile game adaptation and a CBDCT show mixed in with some action segments to show that it's not just a pure estrogen-fest.
Animosh
I should also note that I don't relate to her in every way. I understand her difficulties with falling in love, but for me the problem is more that my view on love is too negative, and as a result I'm hesitant about taking the "leap of faith" that any relationship requires. Love is messy, and may well get you hurt, so it's easier to observe things from a distance, like Maki for example.
Animosh
Oh Yuu is definitely frustrating to watch. Her idealized conception of love prevents her from seeing what is obvious to everyone watching: that she's slowly developing feelings for Touko. And when those feelings evidently turn into love, instead of seeing them for what they are, she's in denial and insists that her feelings aren't special enough to be called "love". It's frustrating.
SuperMario
Then again, I can't really say why Bloom into You works for me now, but kept me in a distance in their first few episodes. It's slow-burn, and when you think back to it, not a lot has been happening. But I feel they haven't made any wrong step yet
SuperMario
Can't say I relate to Yuu thou. She's the kind of character that in real life I would find really frustrated, and I know many of my friends behave that way. That just to further demonstrates how real these characters can be. Even the side characters, Sayaka and the lesbian adult couple work well for me.
SuperMario
@Aminosh: it took awhile for me to fully embrace Bloom into You (I say about episode 5,6) but I agree it's getting very solid now. it reminds me of Scums Wish as well, mainly because how twisted romance can be
Animosh
I'm also worried it won't end in a satisfying way, since the manga is still ongoing. But otherwise I quite like it. It has its problems, but if you go into it with the right expectations (slow pacing, complex and flawed characters that make for an unusual love story, with more focus on the characters' psychological issues than their sexuality) there's a lot to enjoy.
Animosh
My only major complaint is that its characters can feel rather artificial sometimes. Touko in particular is a victim of this. She's such a weird bundle of complexes that she can be hard to relate to. Maybe it'll be better explained later on, but the whole idea of falling in love with another person because you think she'll be incapable of reciprocating it ... it's weird.
Animosh
I particularly like Yuu. I can empathize with her difficulties with falling in love, and I like her arc of slowly "blooming into" liking another person. It feels natural and earned. And like in SSSS.Gridman, the direction is surprisingly strong, and as a result it mostly nails its key moments (the river confrontation, the shed starting shot, etc).
Animosh
I finally caught up with Bloom into You, and it really surpassed my expectations. It kind of reminds me of Scum's Wish, with how flawed its characters are, and how selfish and unreasonable they can be. But like in Scum's Wish, instead of condemning the characters for their flaws, we're given the background to understand them, and they're not used for forced melodrama but sympathetically explored.
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Amagi: Are the Tezuka Buddha movies really that bad? I'll probably try the manga soon.
Kaiser-Eoghan
Also, it'd be cool if we could get long ova adaptations again.
Kaiser-Eoghan
I'd be happy to get more anime set outside of Japan. I also wouldn't mind seeing some anime based off western material.
Lenlo
Gotta say, I wasnt expecting that from Banana Fish this week. I hope its not a fake out, because if it isnt this ending could be great. I love sad endings
Kaiser-Eoghan
Bunny-girl made me watch a horrible idol segment. Then I forgave it because the end of the episode was well executed melodrama.
Sash
I just recently watched Made in Abyss.... and i cried real hard. I was worried that this story was going down the loli route at first... but how this show frightened me... and how it pulled at my heartstrings at the end.
Sash
I just recently watched Made in Abyss.... and i cried real hard. I was worried that this story was going down the loli route at first... but how this show frightened me... and how it pulled at my heartstrings at the end.
Animosh
But regardless of how things turn out, it was definitely a powerful moment, and I'm really happy things are finally heating up again. Looks like the demon/leopard/whatever will be unleashed next episode.
Animosh
Welp, I guess something really did happen this week in Banana Fish. I kind of expect it to be a fake-out though. Chii mentioned there will be an epilogue, and it'd be strange to do so without our main couple intact. We haven't really gotten a confirmation of how Ash and Eiji see their relationship either. So I don't think the ship (or rather, one of its passengers) has sunk just yet.
Kaiser-Eoghan
Well, one of them is essentially the first two episodes of the show as one long episode. So i would say that makes sense.
Anonymous3169068
After all, I don't think they know anything about the series until I show them these. They already know that I bought the novels though.
Anonymous3169068
Meanwhile, I'm planning on showing my family, the two LoGH films, My Conquest is a Sea of Stars and Overture to a New War during our Christmas vacation. Is this a good jumping on point?
Kaiser-Eoghan
Come on torrent, 90% done, then you decide to slow down. This is conspiracy I say.
Amagi
Same here
SuperMario
Thanks, will download it when I get home.
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Mario: Early sub for 720p version of liz and bluebird is on nyaatorrents, they say they are doing a 1080p version tomorrow.
SuperMario
It’s Christmas season soon so I hope I can watch some older gems during that period
SuperMario
I, on the other hand, decide to get off my movie marathon for now to spend time WATCHING MORE ANIME.
Kaiser-Eoghan
I've had that issue on other blogs, getting the moderation awaiting message, I got it here in the past too.
SuperMario
Woah, I will read that story soon when I have free time. Thanks
SuperMario
Lemme fix this, Amagi
Amagi
I have given up on a bunch of anime now I rather enjoy the few I really like to the fullest and use the rest of my free time to play games and read VNs.
Amagi
"Your comment is awaiting moderation" guess I posted too many links, he. Well thinking about it I could have just posted this in the shoutbox, it's no spoiler or anything.
Lenlo
I quite liked it. I like that it wasnt a one off thing either, but it showed them working at it. I enjoy how when Kurahara chooses to do something, he commits 100% to it. Its fitting for his character
Kaiser-Eoghan
A lesser series would have drawn out the drama with Haiji. The scenes with kakeru reading manga with Prince also further support what the anon was saying about him warming up to Prince.
Lenlo
I cant wait to watch it.
Anonymous3164706
And yeah, the cliffhanger from last wasn't a big deal since Haiji fainted from overworking himself and needs to rest.
Anonymous3164706
That part where he chose to slow down in order to cheer on Prince and Ouji was a great scene in particular. He's starting to care about others now.
Anonymous3164706
Man, Prince has come a long way from his slow, awkward running at the start. And it looks like Kakeru is improving in terms of building his relationships with his teammates.
SuperMario
awesome! Under the Silver Lake is out as well in case you want to watch it, Kaiser
Kaiser-Eoghan
Yo AwesomeMario , the bluray for Liz and the bluebird (the sound euphonium spinoff thing) is out, will probably be subtitled someday soon.
Kaiser-Eoghan
Compartively dogs DESPISE me.
Kaiser-Eoghan
Y'know...yeah, old kids stuff was kinda messed up and animal deaths were a big thing, Mufasa, bambi's mother aswell.
Amagi
Cats are weird
Amagi
We have two cats for two certain metro stations in my city. They belong to people living nearby but love the station so damn much you almost always see them sitting on the benches made for humans waiting for the subway/train. Two days ago I returned in the middle of the night and that one cat was still sitting there enjoying life. The other cat belongs to the station in front of my house.
Kaiser-Eoghan
Depressingly we also have that Lion king remake too.
Kaiser-Eoghan
Though I think plague dogs film adaptation stopped just before the full ending of the book?
Kaiser-Eoghan
Lol there are actually people out there who believe that only straight men have aspergers syndrome.
Kaiser-Eoghan
I can't actually leave a cat alone when I see it, actually snuck up on one to pick it up. Couldn't help myself.
Kaiser-Eoghan
Oh, heh, hey didn't know it shared the same author, makes alot of sense though.
Amagi
Yeah Plague Dogs is by the same author that did Watership. It was great. It's interesting to see how quickly series can become edgy and therefore bad on the one hand and how many grim dark movies or series exist that are damn good on the other hand. A wrong turn and your serious drama or thriller can turn into trash.
Amagi
Funny because I was also always a rabbit owner and now have a shitty cat (and yes I am actually autistic though although I guess I write pretty normal nowadays)
Kaiser-Eoghan
Oh Jesus...there was another old one wasn't there, the one about the dogs? Plague dogs, another example of a famliy/kids animation that pulled no punches.
Kaiser-Eoghan
I enjoy alternate history/dystopia stuff, There was It happened here, a British film about a what if situation where Hitler won.
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