Posted by AidanAK47 on 11 May 2018 with categories: Anime Reviews

We have seen an influx of Fate adaptations over the last year and sadly each has proven to be disappointing except for a cooking slice of life short series which is weirdly better than it has any right to be. This movie was the last of the Fate adaptations that I needed to see but sadly remained out of my reach due to screenings being nowhere near where I live. So I waited and now with the Blu-ray release I can finally experience it and by god it’s perfect. This is only the first of three movies covering the Heaven’s Feel route of the original visual novel. As for what that means to the uninformed, the original first visual novel of Fate/Stay night was a choose your own adventure style game where the story could turn out one of three completely different ways. The first path where Saber is the main heroine is called Fate, was adapted by Studio Deen in 2006 but while the only adaption of this route it is considered lackluster. The second route is called Unlimited Bladeworks where Rin is the main heroine and has been adapted by Deen into a movie and again by Ufotable into a TV series. This movie is the very first adaption of the previously unadapted third route called Heaven’s Feel where Sakura is the main heroine and more or less is the grand finale of the original game. When compared to the other two routes Heaven’s Feel is generally considered darker in tone and quite a few consider it the closest thing to a true sequel to Fate/Zero. Take that statement with a grain of salt however as it certainly isn’t intended to be a sequel but rather a conclusion to the original game. As a long time fan of the series I was curious as to how Ufotable would handle the adaptation and if this first movie is an example of what the full trilogy will be I would consider it a prefect adaption. Not only did this first movie cover the important points of the beginning of the route but actually improved the pacing and story with extra scenes.

In the visual novel it was briefly mentioned how Sakura started to come to Shirou’s house to help out but Ufotable actually shows it right from the start which I feel was a great introduction for her. The expanded action scenes and original scenes of things that happened outside of Shirou’s perspective really added much needed context to the story while giving justice to characters whom in the visual novel were sent off less ceremoniously. If there is a character that truly benefited from the animated adaptation it’s most definitely true Assassin. It’s nice to see a master who uses an Assassin class servant as they were intended to be used and despite being an antagonist you could always see how under powered he was when compared the powerhouses that are other servants. The animation really shows Assassins fighting style of avoiding direct confrontation and relying on traps and tricks to catch servants off guard. Even Shinji was given more context which made him more understandable though obviously still not likeable. The small nods to Fate/Zero help continuity better than the original story did as of course Zero was originally made after it. Animation of course was fantastic as this is indeed Ufotable with a movie budget and clearly no expenses were spared in making this thing as gorgeous as humanly possible. The fight scenes are absolute works of art and exhilarating to behold. Soundtrack was also quite excellent and despite my misgivings with Yuki Kajura I found this soundtrack quite effective and only remembered it was Yuki’s work when the choir jumped in at the opening credits. Through admittedly I wasn’t quite paying attention to the soundtrack but that in itself is a sign of grown from Kajura as her soundtracks had a tendency of stealing attention away from a scene whereas here the soundtrack worked more in tandem with the visuals.

Out of the original three routes, Heaven’s Feel is considered the darkest story and for good reason. As dark as Fate/Zero? Not certain if it’s that level but we are dealing with some pretty heavy stuff here. For one it’s clear that this version of the Holy Grail war has far more collateral damage than any other. It was said in the background that accidents where happening and people were dying in the background of other series but here it’s gotten to the level of being a massive concern. The people of Fuyuki know that something is going on and more and more incidents are happening. Shirou’s friends are no exception to this as even they are victims of the war. On top of which we got this mysterious creature floating around draining people into comas and the movie certainly shows how eerie this thing is as well as how dangerous. With Sakura being the main heroine as well we glimpse the abuse she has to endure at her home. This is a pretty heavy story for both the servants and the masters with bleak prospects to come.

The movie of course isn’t without flaw. It assumes you have at least seen the Unlimited Bladeworks adaptation and makes no effort to ease in newcomers as it quickly montages things previously covered. Small references to Fate/Zero have been added by Ufotable too so some knowledge of that can help. Despite efforts to improve the pacing of the story there are points of this movie which feel rather slow and rely on it’s atmosphere and soundtrack to carry it. The CGI while well done can be distractingly noticeable at times such as the scene between Lancer and Assassin on the truck. I would even go so far to say that maybe Ufotable over polished it. Also indeed this is a film for Fate fans so those who couldn’t get invested in previous iterations most likely won’t find anything here to change their mind. Naturally as well this film is only one third of a story so it doesn’t end conclusively and only is one part of a story. But for a Fate fan such as myself I loved it and thought it was the best it could ever be. If the other two movies are as good as this we could very well see the Fate anime to call Fate/Zero’s undisputed position of best Fate Adaption into question.

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  1. Evaluation says:

    I don’t want to start a Fate war, but I really need to know at this point.

    First, let me articulate my own subjective Fate experiences:

    – No familiarity with Fate games or novels or anything.
    – Seen Deen’s FSN, didnt think much of it.
    – Seen UBW movie, didnt remember much of it.
    – Seen Fate/Prototype, thought an actual good series could have had come out of it.
    – Seen FZ, was much amazed by it
    – Seen many of Fate adaptations and spin-offs and whatever, was annoyed and bored of it.
    – Seen UBW series, was much intrigued by pointlessness and stupidity of it.

    Now I have seen this Heaven’s Feel movie and all I saw was disjointed series of good looking, but vacuous scenes that served no purpose whatsoever.

    I have never felt attached to a single Fate character (excluding F/Z of course) or anything F/SN related – maybe that is my problem. But then, again and again these glorious super true-to-original adaptations come and show me how unimportant and thematically-dry this entire thing is.

    I am fairly sure a single randomly picked F/Z scene of any F/SN character managed to say more about the character’s personality, desires and struggles than all of FSN’s adaptations together. How many times do I have to watch Kotomine Kirei’s useless smirk, that – correct me if Im wrong – is there to only show how oh-so-evil he is. All these reiterations keep reiterating how they have no clue why they exist, while flashing their updated art/animation and novel, cough cough, storytelling approach that will surely, this time, revolutionize Fate universe and change us all into believers.

    So I really must know at this point:
    – Am I missing something integral (from the game perhaps) or is FSN in its entirety one big joke?
    – Why is Kotomine Kirei evil if not to just be evil cause spooky reasons?
    – Why is Shinji so retarded – is that a running joke or am I supposed to take it seriously?
    – Is there a single character that has more than single trait in FSN story?
    – Why is Saber so freakking emo and is it truly supposed to be cringe-worthy?
    – Why is it not socially acceptable to raise these questions?

    • AidanAK47 AidanAK47 says:

      Well to address some of this.

      “– Am I missing something integral (from the game perhaps) or is FSN in its entirety one big joke?”

      Well you say you don’t want to start a Fate war but this pretty much is like walking into a anime convention and asking why all anime is crap. Truly how am I supposed to respond to this? What am I supposed to say to convince you otherwise?

      – Why is Kotomine Kirei evil if not to just be evil cause spooky reasons?

      Well you make notice that Shirou and Kirei exemplify the standard traits of the Superhero and Villain dynamic. Shirou is a normal human who pretty much holds to all the virtues of superman while Kirei is born evil and destined to be evil. But the twist here is that Shirou shows just how utterly broken a human being you have to be to adhear to the virtues of a superhero and while Kirei is practically genetically engineered to be evil, they does not mean that he wants to be. If you examine his actions before the fourth holy grail war you could find that Kirei seemed to be subconsciously trying to find a compromise between his evil nature and being a good person.

      “– Why is Shinji so retarded – is that a running joke or am I supposed to take it seriously?”

      Shinji was brought up under the impression that he was better than other people simply on the fact that he was part of a mage family. Only to find that he is worthless as a mage. So he’s basically a teenager trying to prove his own superiority despite all things pointing to him having no worth

      “– Is there a single character that has more than single trait in FSN story?”

      Actually they are more well rounded than Fate/Zero. Yes, you don’t believe me. But well as great as Fate/Zero is, the story is very straightforward. It is one that leaves no room for interpretation. The things you take from that story are the very things the author intents you to take out of it. The characters are so defined by the plot that if you were to remove them from it, you wouldn’t have any real idea of how they would interact. Case in point, tell me one thing about Kariya which is not related to his tragedy or role in Fate/Zero. Does he have any hobbies? Whats his job even? Meanwhile the characters of FSN can literally be lifted from the plot and thrown into something completely different and it still works. I honestly have difficulty understanding how you consider them to have only one trait unless you are boiling them down to Shirou=Idiot, Rin=tsundere, Illya=loli which is vast oversimplifications.

      “– Why is Saber so freakking emo and is it truly supposed to be cringe-worthy?”

      Emo? Saber is Emo? Guessing you are talking about Saber Alter. Short answer, Grail corruption. You don’t take a dip into all the evils of the world and walk out the other side squeaky clean. In all honestly Alter may be a better character than Vanilla saber. Saber Alter sees her past self (Original Saber) as naive and an idealistic fool. She disagrees with her past self on what a king should be. She believes a king should be feared and hated. You could even consider it a factor of her taking the words of Isekander and twisting the interpretation.

      “– Why is it not socially acceptable to raise these questions?”

      Well it’s not a matter of being socially acceptable but rather the correct attitude to ask those questions. If you are genuinely curious about say, Dark Souls, you don’t walk up to a player of it and ask “Hey why is your game an unfair shitheap with about as much depth as a puddle?” Because it’s rude and well, ignorant because you simply have only a limited scope on the thing in question. True you have watched anime adaptions but there is a lot lost in translation in regards to adaption. Look I am by no means claiming this franchise is perfect, it has many many flaws which I can point out but at this point I would say it’s likely not for you.

    • Evaluation says:

      You responded just like I wanted/hoped you would. So thx. You also do not have to convince me, showing me your perspective is more than enough. I do think that arguing here is inevitably pointless, but I think doing so for just a bit can prove interesting.

      So Kirei is evil for the sake of it. Great. Can you please point me to a single scene in any FSN adaptation where any of his thought-provoking dilemmas are at least hinted at?

      I’d have to be blind to not see Shinji has an inferiority complex. And that’s my complaint. His faces could go toe to toe with Code Geass’ best memes. Every second he is on screen is a waste of time for me.

      I mean the Saber in this movie, that lives and walks with Shirou, wears hoodie, constantly frowns, doesn’t talk 1st half of the movie and acts like a doll-plaything. What’s that all about?

      Well rounded characters huh. No I think I know what you mean. Its the strength of the VN as a medium. And you make an interesting point about FZ characters and I readily agree. Although I don’t think any one of us believes FZ’s is inherently a bad approach.

      So, let me change my complaint, it is the childish presentation of conflicts and (lack of) driving force of the characters that I find fault with here (I think). Lets count all the various emotions characters in this movie are capable of displaying: anger, surprise, smug.

      They keep doing these smug faces, as if the series lacked self-consciousness. “Ha, what do you think you can do with a stick” is hardly a meaningful line (and it could be if the full weight of his mastery of magecraft was made apparent (like Tousaka’s in FZ) instead of making him overly-evil old dude that talks too much). In fact virtually all of Matou elder’s lines are like this.

      In the end, I think I’ll never be able to judge any Fate (SN) without playing through the game, although I think I’d still feel roughly the same about the adaptations. Perhaps they are simply a cream for those who are already familiar, like Eva Rebuilds. But I think the work still has to maintain a level of intelligence and I have serious doubts about that with this movie.

      • AidanAK47 AidanAK47 says:

        Well alright, I don’t mind having a bit of chat about Fate.

        On Kirei that’s actually rather difficult as funny enough Heavens Feel is the route where he shines in the main game and this dilemma is brought more to light. His general motivation for assisting the Grail is connected with his dissonance as a character and one of the big evidences to this is regarding his wife which is also covered in Heavens Feel. SO in regards to hints in the animated stories I would point to Fate/Zero where Kiritsugu was researching the masters and remarked that Kirei was well on his way to becoming a valedictorian but dropped off that path to become an executor(Heretic hunter) instead. Why? My theory is that subconsciously Kirei took that path because as an Executor he could make people suffer while, at least in the eyes of the church, being morally right. Also on how Gilgamesh pointed out that Kirei views his own happiness as a sin.

        I am certainly not going to deny that Shinji’s a bit too over the top and designed to be hate-able. Again heavens Feel has a role for him considering his connection to Sakura and there is a thing where Shinji wouldn’t be quite the little shit he is if it wasn’t for his grandfather and circumstances. There was once a time when he was friends with Shirou and as this movie remarked, he does like Shirou as much as he hates him. Like it pisses him off that Shirou allows himself to be used by other people and admires him to a degree but at the same time hates that he admires him because it makes him feel inferior. Its subtle but you may notice that when Shinji tells Shirou to clean the archery range, he gets pissed off when Shirou agrees to do so. Almost as if he wanted Shirou to lash out or straight up refuse.

        Oh…I didn’t quite think it was that bad but to her is coming straight after the events of Fate/Zero which she left in pretty desperate straits. I think she has some right to be gloomy.

        Fate/Zero’s approach isn’t bad, far from it. Indeed I would consider it a strength that Gen can pace his stories so well and keep them focused. It’s effective for short stories or stories with a large cast of characters which doesn’t have the runtime to flesh things out. It proves to be a weakness through when he goes for longer works with Psycho Pass being a prime example of how his weakness with characters can prove undoing.

        I have skipped though the movie just now and I am afraid I don’t see what you mean by the characters only being able to display anger, surprise and smug. There’s a lot of subtle motions going on in the animation. Like Taiga talking to Sakura about how Kerry was Shirou’s hero and asking if Sakura had some hero of her own causing her to play with her ribbon and almost seems like a callback to Kariya. Sabers eyes wavering when Shirou mentions about Sakura going back to a normal life and Saber sees the same symptoms in Sakura that she did in Iri. Taiga reminiscing over a picture book. Zouken asking Shirou about Einzbern kindly once he heard that he was an Emiya but dropping it the moment he knew Shirou had no idea what he was talking about. Sakura’s awkwardness with Saber because she knew that she was a servant. You may not see it but there is a lot of emotion here besides outbursts. As for these smug smiles…I see smiles but not quite the smug.

        I don’t expect the Game to change your mind, even more so if you are not a fan of Visual Novels as it is a pretty niche genre and I think you would be better playing something new than something you know 2/3 of the story of. Not everything can transfer in an adaption nor should it as I don’t think these adaptions would benefit with Shirou’s continuous inner monologue. But it is important to note that Fate/Stay Night was never intended to be anime. In fact it was never intended to be broken up like this either which does make it like we are getting only pieces of a story. Fate, UBW and Heavens Feel are all part of a complete package, never intended to be separated or viewed as separate entities. And here we have a Third of a story which in turn is the Third of a full visual novel.

        • Evaluation says:

          Sorry for my late reply.

          I have rewatched Fate Zero recently and could see the things you mentioned. I love Kirei in FZ. But still, having none of FSN out there (FSN, UBW movie, UBW series, HF movie 1) to touch on this matter and merely presenting Kirei as an antagonistic force makes me uncomfortable and disinterested.

          “it’s subtle but you may notice that when Shinji tells Shirou to clean the archery range, he gets pissed off when Shirou agrees to do so.”
          That is not subtle at all. The movie throws it in my face; ‘look at me how subtle I am’. Subtly in your face is an oxymoron. Its similar to when the show pretends to criticize fanservice, to cover the fact that it just gave you fanservice. Anyway, the portrayal and behavior of this character is so extreme I can not take it seriously.

          Again, I somewhat disagree about the subtlety of the presentation of character’s responses. What you call subtle is simply (intended) lack of accompanying music. Making the obvious silent doesn’t make it any less subtle, why doesn’t studios like KyoAni and Ufotable get this is beyond me – they just overuse the ‘silence’ technique for the ‘wow’ effect.

          “Ha-ha-ha-ha. I don’t recall saying single word about whether I myself had lost.” – is just one of the many cringe-worthy lines the movie offers.

          I have quick-compiled some screenshots here: https://imgur.com/a/mWd0pZT. The images speak for themselves. Most of the movie Saber – no – virtually every character constantly frowns. It’s as pervasive as it is silly. And the smug faces are plain as day. I can see the movie is trying to slow down and come off as meaningful and evocative frequently, but how am I supposed to take it seriously when characters all play a pissing contest with each other and have the same ‘oh so serious’ or ‘oh your-tears-are-so-yummy’ face?

          I think this goes beyond problems of adapting across the medium or having an affinity to a VN medium.

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SuperMario
Here's another experimental animated short for you, Kaiser, Tango (1981) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lo8O8lYDzIU
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@Animosh: yeah the second part was released in VOD earlier this year and I watched it. Prefer the 1st one much better
Vonter
I don't know why, but I thought you were talking about Tomorrowland. That Disney movie that bombed and everyone seemed very lukewarm about. I suppose because I don't know exactly what was the problem with it, didn't see much discussion about it.
Animosh
@SuperMario: I think I've seen World of Tomorrow, but not 100% sure. There's apparently a second part out though, and I definitely haven't seen that!
Animosh
And Umfeld (https://vimeo.com/umfeld) is also worth mentioning. It kind of consists of shorts, it's technically animated (at least in part: it mixes real footage and CGI I think?), and it's definitely weird. It's a very polarizing work though. I love it, but it wouldn't surprise me if most people here hate it.
Animosh
Some other things that came to mind: Tim Burton's "Vincent" (it's stop-motion, but whatever), Loom (https://vimeo.com/24069938) and E-Baby (https://vimeo.com/25435555). And the stop-motion shorts by Lee Hardcastle are pretty fun, if you're in the mood for some needlessly disgusting horror.
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@Mario: I enjoyed embrace of the serpent which has the same director as Birds of passage so I'll keep an eye out for it.
SuperMario
@Kaiser: I'm going to see Roma and Birds of Passage this weekend. Really excited for both
Kaiser-Eoghan
As for the she-ra thing well, as I've gotten older I probably have avoided kids stuff more.
Kaiser-Eoghan
I don't want to see tokenism being seen as acceptance when it isn't, it feels that people are putting forth the idea that something is only being/can be accepted because its being portrayed in a tokenistic way.
Kaiser-Eoghan
Its fine, obviously to have strong female characters, Ripley in Alien, Sarah Conner in Terminator, awesome....Rey in star wars....no.
Kaiser-Eoghan
I think too often shows and films, American ones today, are tokenistic or clicheed with inserting issues, merely just throwing them in or tacking them on for the sake of ticking boxes rather than any earnesty or doing anything.
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@SuperMario - I do. Yet at the same time it was a bit outside of my comfort zone, watching something like this considering that (let's be honest) msot shows are men oriented. Even the ones with great female characters. This one despite having tomboyish girls is mainly about these girls with male characters having supporting roles. I suppose that's were the uneasiness lies in my case.
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SuperMario
@Kaiser @Animosh: if you haven't seen World of Tomorrow plsssss check it out. I can't recommend it highly enough
SuperMario
@Vonter: Maybe it's a good things that shows for general audiences like this have queer context. Don't you think?
Anonymous3086853
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The weakest aspect is that several secondary characters get lost in the shuffle. Kinda like Big Hero 6 in which the team had personalities but just didn't had the time to develop in any meaningful way. Still both the main cast and villains were good and like I say the protagonist and antagonist had strong arcs for a first season.
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So I now finished watching She Ra, and it got even better as it was building towards the season's end. Thes strongest aspect is the rivalry between Adora and Catra, the chemistry is very strong, kinda like Optimus and Megatron or Xavier and Magneto. In which both parts seem equally capable and to have mind games with the other.
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Oh hey cool, rain town is done by the Penguin hhighway anime movie guy.
Kaiser-Eoghan
It looks like I haven't seen Don Hertzfedlts World of tomorrow films.
Kaiser-Eoghan
Also Prince Achmed and How Wang-Fo Was Saved.
Kaiser-Eoghan
Ah. yes, thanks animosh, I had a look at Rain town there, I like the style it was done in, it achieves the emotions its trying to convey well without needing dialogue, piano score actually helps rather than hinders.
Kaiser-Eoghan
Glassy ocean, that was another short I watched lately.
Kaiser-Eoghan
Oh inka isha is country doctor.
Kaiser-Eoghan
I know Mario has seen this style on animation, but anyone else see any oil on glass animation?
Kaiser-Eoghan
I actually prefer robot carnival to genius party but liked both.
Kaiser-Eoghan
Zepo, The Pride of Strathmoor were recent animated shorts I watched.
Kaiser-Eoghan
Recently I watched two shorts, death and the mother and pleasures of war.
Kaiser-Eoghan
I'd say any eastern european short films would be worth anyones time.
Kaiser-Eoghan
I'm not familiar with rain town or Inaka Isha .
Amagi
Kaiser: Have you seen Inaka Isha from Kafka?
Animosh
In the meanwhile, though, I'd also be very interested in recommendations! The shorts I mentioned are among my favorite animated works, so if you know anything similar, please let me know. :)
Animosh
For western animation I really like the Don Hertzfeldt shorts. And there was this short called "Rain Town" that was really impressively animated. I'm sure there were others, but my long-term memory is pretty lousy. If something else comes to mind I'll let you know.
Animosh
I'm pretty sure you're already going to be familiar with all of my favorites, but here you go: Morimoto's shorts are all fantastic (Dimension Bomb, Beyond, Noiseman Sound Insect, etc), and two others that come to mind are Cat Soup and Kigeki (or Comedy) by Nakazawa. There are also some great collections out there (like the Genius Party ones), but again, you've probably seen those already.
Kaiser-Eoghan
If anyone has any suggestions for weird short animations, I'm looking for excuses to watch some more and I'm in the mood for them.
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@Masky: Mario's youtube link had cgi models of rem and ram in the video.
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I'm confused when was Rem even mentioned
Kaiser-Eoghan
I only ever watched he-man and stuff related to it in passing when I was younger, Conan was more my thing back then.
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For so long I'd always referred to she-ra as she-man.
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@Mario, What is this heresy!
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....Rems always cute.
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Hilda is fine, though is very laidback kinda like a young reader's novel. It has its moments but its fantasy with slice-of-life coming of age.
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@SuperMario Yeah I know, She Ra is the twin sister of He Man. But strangely it seems Dreamworks may not have the right to those characters. It was a marketing idea trying to bring more girls to that universe but like most girls show from the time it had a very flat depiction of what little girls want to see.
SuperMario
Sorry Aidan, I know it's blasphemy but I have to post here. Enjoy the OP song with the twins https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v9MUjISNm0U&index=4&list=PLU56jBSlcHw8-ol9Hi4lJ0GR0tU6EOf2a
SuperMario
I'll probably check out Hilda. Heard a lot of hypes about that show
SuperMario
@Vonter: I've heard of She-Ra, she's the female counterpart (well, sister) of He-Man (the most powerful man in the universe and the secret identity of Prince Adam). Sounds silly but I'm not even kidding
Vonter
All in all, despite not being a big thing, I think is an enjoyable recommendation. My only nitpick is that it maybe too light hearted for some kinda like above My Little Pony but below something Voltron. Also despite being less childish than the original is still kinda of girly with lots of pastel colors although it balances it a bit having girls being more tomboyish in different degrees.
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Like with Voltron it amuses me seeing anime tropes being played through western lens. Since I'm a bit hesitant to say that could this count as a harem series despite not being male gaze moments? Also having the most sensible hotspring episode I've seen.
Vonter
In this one this She Ra has pathos. A bit like Korra there's doubt in her role and also a complicated relationship with her rival. I do like the role reversal in the knight's tale this clearly is, in that most roles that would be played by men are played by women in this story. Matriarchy, displacement of both femminine beauty but also empowerment.
Vonter
So I've watched some of the new She Ra from Netflix. So far I'm in, it's not deep but it's quite charismatic. I do like there's more pathos in regards to these characters which pretty much were confined to their archetype to an extreme like the original Power Rangers.
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It manages to make watching something like running engaging, when I'd otherwise probably not watch the sport. Also, last week the show ended up popping into my head when I was sitting around doing pretty much nothing and made me think "Ok fuck it, not sitting around doing nothing, going to go out for a run around the block"
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I also agree, characters losing in sports is important. They can't start at the top, it makes the series lose meaning
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I quite enjoyed Kaze Fui this week. I think your correct that the one who got the reality check was Kurahara, who thought he was the only one able to actually make it. I also thing that he has a competitive streak a mile wide, and might be a little afraid of failure. Doesnt think the team can make it, so why bother
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Think I wasn't i the mood for honda-san this week even though I laughed.
Kaiser-Eoghan
Y'know I like it when sports series actually show the characters you know...actually lose.
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Huh, interesting in this episode of Kaze ga that it's Kakeru who got a reality check during the track meet since he was beaten by two other runners. I think we're due for an episode soon where he has to confront his past demons instead of fleeing from them.
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@Kaiser-Eoghan - Aging in fiction, I think has more to do with the story than the characters. I mean the jokes about Ash Ketchum, Detective Conan, Archie. The Flinstones tried to make different stories by aging Pebbles and Bam Bam. Or Batman having two Robins graduating into their own heroes. But in the end dynamics change, hence why most cartoons don't age the characters.
Kaiser-Eoghan
Which is why when aging does occur in anime/manga, such as in vinland saga or nanoha for example, its appreciated.
Kaiser-Eoghan
And of course, animated characters often don't age much.
Kaiser-Eoghan
I can remember enjoying the simpsons movie back when I watched it, but thinking about it it really was just an extended episode. Really the show peaked with the who shot Mr Burns episode. Catching bits of recent episodes and seeing them use modern stuff while they never age seems weird too.
Amagi
I do think series are allowed to move forward though, I am kinda interested in the Pkmn movie for example. But certain shows should just end, Simpsons for example was a parody of the 90s, it just can't work in a more modern setting IMO.
Amagi
I stopped with the Simpsons when Maude was killed/died, it was just a step in the wrong direction they should have never done and it killed the series for me. I disliked it before already though, I think I noticed the series getting worse since season..9? Or 10, not sure anymore.
Amagi
Anime for Dorohedoro announced.
Kaiser-Eoghan
Therefore ruining the fanservice fun for everybody.
Kaiser-Eoghan
My favourite beach episodes are ones where it rains and they end up not being able to go.
Kaiser-Eoghan
After that it was just the film for me.
Kaiser-Eoghan
Actually, regarding the simpsons, the episode I stopped on was sometime in the early 2000s, Homer was stuck on some island resort or something.
Kaiser-Eoghan
I suppose it was just as much a case of falling out of watching/playing too and then there being so many episodes/games catchup was impossible. I probably should read the manga someday.
Anonymous3081957
@Kaiser-Eoghan -Kinda like Sponge Bob, Power Rangers or The Simpsons, I can't blame those who move forward, It's imposible for a show to go that long without losing steam. I did check the Sun and Moon first season and while I think the personality and energy is better it doesn't exactly push the concept forward. Still somehow Pokemon is still a phenomenon.
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Vonter: Very strange hearing a Pikachu talk with Ryan Reynolds voice. But my days of pokemon are behind me.
KyokoHyuga
?????
KyokoHyuga
who likes pokemon here
SuperMario
@Amagi: I think the person who made the sub for Maquia did a pretty neat job. Not perfect but the translation flows well
Vonter
We've seen realistic Pokémon fanart, but how does a movie looks when it attempts it. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q8CKgQFo5U8
Amagi
How are the subs for Maquia? I only heard anons complain about it.
Kaiser-Eoghan
*dealing with
Kaiser-Eoghan
Though you should really torrent it.
Kaiser-Eoghan
There is 1080p stream on kiss anime, if you hate deal with the ads on that site the 4up stream on anilinkz has the best quality of the available links
Lenlo
Where did you see Maquia online? I still need to watch it. PM it to me on discord maybe? Pretty please? <3
SuperMario
One fact that not many people know is that Penguin Highway is penned by Tomihiko Morimi. It indeed has many Morimi's signature inputs
SuperMario
This year, I'm doing well with catching up anime films (kudos for Australian's Madman who always license these titles very quickly). So far, I've watched Mirai, Maquia, Penguin Highway, Let Me Eat Your Pancreas and My Hero Academia the Movie
SuperMario
So I watched two anime movies this last week, Penguin Highway in theatre and Maquia online. Both of them are pretty solid in general, especially Penguin that has magical realism elements and some great chemistry. Whereas Mari Okada's writting still rubs me in the wrong way sometimes
Lenlo
D: He did, back in August actually apparently
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Lenlo: I heard Dino's voice actor died.
Kaiser-Eoghan
If we all took Goblin slayers attitude to trolls, then we would more easily ignore the trolls =P
Kaiser-Eoghan
Big twist in the golden kamuy manga.
Animosh
@SuperMario: remember that in the voice drama Rikka mentioned talking to Yuuta in their classroom during the ball game. Pretty sure it's about that.
SuperMario
@Animosh: i just watched the episode and noticed the lyrics as well. "The Promise" seems vague at the moment. Could be between Yuuta and whoever fits but I agree the "save someone from boredom" is about Akane
Animosh
You learn something every day. ;) Honestly though, I actually skipped the opening, so I hadn't even noticed that it had been translated until others pointed it out. And most of the time the lyrics are just cheesy one-liners, so I usually don't pay much attention to them either. But once in a while there's some nice hints hidden in there...
Kaiser-Eoghan
Y'know I never really ever paid attention to the lyrics in anime openings, I'd never thought to.
Animosh
The Gridman OP has been translated for the first time, and there's some pretty interesting reveals in there: it mentions a "promise" made in a classroom (so now we know how Yuuta and Rikka bonded in the past - glad it wasn't a simple confession), and talks of "rescuing" someone (presumably Akane) from boredom. So I guess she'll join the good guys eventually?
Lenlo
1200 words. I need to stop writing so much.
Kaiser-Eoghan
I haven't seen last weeks episode of Irozuku or this weeks =< I'm waiting now for a bit to see if the series paysoff.
Animosh
Goddamn those magic segments in Irozuku were stunning! It's a shame its humdrum drama can't live up to its visual beauty, but I'll take it.
Kaiser-Eoghan
I think Ash's design is based a bit on River phoneix.
Kaiser-Eoghan
Sorry Eiji but your Ash is in another castle.
Kaiser-Eoghan
@CoolerAnon: I was about to say that. Kidnapping gets used alot in shojo.
Anonymous3072040
Yeah Ash is basically Princess Peach
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Anon: I share your concerns, I don't know what studio is doing it. Some people want it to be mappa, some don't want it to be polygon pictures to adapt it. Its and long and violent manga, with some very funny at times dark humour, it could end up rushed and/or censored.
Anonymous3072021
As much as I love Dorohedoro I'm unsure if I should be happy or worried at it getting an adaptation, it isn't exactly the kind of story I imagine being easy to adapt well.
Lenlo
Yeah, I am touching on that in my writeup as we speak. The compressed story is causing Ash to be captured every other week.
Animosh
I agree Banana Fish was great this week though! My only gripe is that I'm getting sick and tired of seeing Ash get kidnapped again and again. He just escaped a couple of episodes ago! And he's just a lot more fun to watch when he's out there doing stuff.
Animosh
In a way the fights actually feel more realistic to me than those in Banana Fish. Sure, they're fantastical, bizarre even, but its battle system has a clear internal logic, and generally no power is infallible (each has its limitations). In Banana Fish the fights are rather poorly thought out by comparison. Their purpose is more to make Ash look cool than to give him realistic hurdles to overcome.
Animosh
@Kaiser: what sets Jojo apart from other battle shounen for me is how ridiculously creative its fights can get. Part 2 already shows some signs of this, but the introduction of the Stand system in Part 3 pushes it to another level, and in Part 4 the fights are consistently awesome. There are no simple beam struggles here: every fight is a battle of wits, between people with wildly different powers
Niel
Vinland Saga anime, and Now Dorohedoro just got announced. i'm really liking this trend.
Lenlo
Lots to writeup on Banana Fish this week.
Lenlo
Just finished it, I really like Blanca.
Lenlo
Because Jackie Chan and his stunt crew are some of the best in the world. There is a reason he has to insure his guys from his own pocket. No agency will take them
Kaiser-Eoghan
I have no idea how the hell Jackie Chan is still alive.
Kaiser-Eoghan
Action works best for me when I really feel that theres danger involved. Thats why when some actors do their own stunts, you can fear for the actors life, and also the character.
Kaiser-Eoghan
And thats why I'm a big fan of all that Chinese martial arts stuff from the 60s and 70s, that really expertly crafted chereography.
Lenlo
As for action, I like good choreography more than any super powers. Its why Cowboy Bebop, Seirei no Moribito, Sword of the Stranger and some Naruto fights are fantastic.
Lenlo
Im about to watch this weeks episode, so this chat makes me hopeful. I agree Ash and Eiji are the backbone of the series, and yeah me and Kaiser both agreed that the Gang war aspect was pretty weak, though I thought the finish with Arthur wasnt half bad
Kaiser-Eoghan
And I think Banana fish has a great grit to it for this reason.
Kaiser-Eoghan
I'm even more thankful to Banana fish too for that it keeps the action within the bounds of out of fantasy.
Kaiser-Eoghan
I've always been kind of a guns and swords and kungfu gut.
Kaiser-Eoghan
Black lagoons great example of anime action I can get behind.
Kaiser-Eoghan
I always found weapon combat and fist/kicking combat more raw and real,tangible than beamspam.
Anonymous3070972
But yeah if you're not a fan supernatural power fantasy action shounens, then maybe not your cup of tea, and that's totally cool
Anonymous3070972
Oh also if I'm recommending a fight from part 4, I'd say check out Highway Star
Anonymous3070972
Kira is a pretty cool villain though; he's always underpowered compared to the main heroes, but manages to somehow get out of the situation with luck or smarts; if nothing else, I'd recommend watching some Youtube clips
Anonymous3070972
*Turn off. lol.
Kaiser-Eoghan
Its more than, even when I was younger supernatural power fantasy action shounen never appealed to me.
Anonymous3070972
Admittedly JoJo always has bad with exposition though, and always will be just due to the style, so that can definitely be a turn on for some people
Anonymous3070972
If you like slice of life with hijinks and a murder mystery combined with cool battles, you'll like part 4
Anonymous3070972
Yeah I can see why you might not like part 1 & 2, they were made in the 80s; I'd recommend part 4 and part 5 (ongoing rn) tbh, I feel like those are better for a modern viewing experience
Anonymous3070972
I used to think that BF's greatest strength was the plot; know I realize it's really about Ash & Eiji's connection first and foremost: as good as the plot can be, Ash & Eiji's relationship is absolutely the backbone.
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Anon: Also that scene where Ash is thinking to himself, looking over Eiji.
Kaiser-Eoghan
Nah, I pretty much gave up on jojo midway through part 2.
Anonymous3070771
Also, anybody notice Blanca's VA is Kira (from Diamond is Unbreakable)? What a wonderful duwang!
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Niello: The producer guy Miyano is voicing, much like the show is irritating because the show has this "look at me look at me" feel to it, it just comes off as desperate to me and this is just going by the one episode I watched and hated.
Anonymous3070771
What's that damn piano song that plays when Ash and Eiji are talking about Japan. It's too good. For some reason, it's really magical
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Anon: I was the one who said that.
@Niello: You don't need to see steins; gate zero, myself and lenlo discussed it to death as it was airing, its all over the place. I like the original too but after a while of the first half being fun, I just wanted it to start.
Anonymous3070771
Phew, great episode of BF; whoever said the gang war stuff was the weakest point was right. this stuff is getting fantastic again.
Niello
Also I agree, Zombieland first episode was amazing, second episode is still rather great, and then the other episodes have just been meh.
Niello
In Zombieland it doesn't help that the character he's voicing with that tone is an asshole, which isn't a good combination because it's making him more annoying by the episode.
Niello
Steins;Gate is pretty good, but I don't think I like it nearly as much as most people do (I gave it a 7/10). I also haven't bothered with Steins;Gate 0. And although I didn't mind Myano in Steins;Gate, I didn't particularly like his voice there either.
Kaiser-Eoghan
I love the sombreness of Blanca's character. Poor Ash, so broken in this episode.
AidanAK47
Yeah after episode 2 it's been a downgrade. Zombieland is still alright to watch but it really has become what it parodied.
Vonter
Zombieland sadly has winded down. I mean it was expected but still I was hoping some more creative attempts to use in the typical genre. It'll have been better if they had waken up more slowly in order to flesh the archetypes a bit more. It still has charismatic moments though.
Lenlo
Really Niello? See, I like it because it's the voice we never got in Steins;Gate 0. Its Okabe's Kyouma voice, and I have a nostalgic love for it
Masky
Wasn't gyary isekai another one that existed?
Niello
I hate Miyano voice in Zombieland Saga and find him annoying tbh.
Kaiser-Eoghan
I am getting sick of self aware humour though. I see this show as something that was fun to make (such as Miyano seems to be feeling based on performances) but not fun for me to watch and that kind of extends to the manager who while I agree would be the best part of the show, I stopped finding funny after the joke was done.
Lenlo
For me, the main selling point of Zombieland Saga was always Miyano. I love this mans crazy voice.

And in regards to Isekai, discounting this most recent one, SAO actually is pretty good this season so far. Kirito is still bland, but its taking things a lot slower and actually building the world. Its taking its time with 52 episodes
Kaiser-Eoghan
By the sound of it, if some who liked the first episodes don't care for the ones beyond those two episode, then I'm glad I stopped watching.
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