Posted on 26 March 2008 with categories: Anime Reviews, Wellber no Monogatari ~ Sisters of Wellber


Ah, Wellber no Monogatari. The show that scared away almost all its viewers in the first episode due to the talking tank. Still, this is another gem from Production IG, although it’s way rougher than series as Seirei no Moribito and Chevalier.

The biggest problem with this series is definitely that the first couple of episodes reek of useless filler, and at first sight, they give away nothing of the incredible increase in quality that would happen afterwards. In the end, though, this is one series that knows what its doing, and the first four episodes were just meant to flesh out the story and most especially: the characters.

And what amazing characters they are. Nearly every main and important side-character gets background and development early on as they push the storyline forwards. They’re really the driving force behind this series, and especially once it hits its second half they really start to shine. This is one series that isn’t afraid to kill off a major character, and the creators know exactly what it takes to give the characters depth

The writers may be very talented, but they’re unfortunately also a bit sloppy. Most of the climaxes border on heart-wrenching, but there are a few that border a bit on cheesy. A few plot twists also are just included to keep the story going. Take for example a princess who is on the run and has to travel undercover, and yet she travels along with a huge unique tank. The aftermath of this series is also way too rushed and just wants to do a few things too many.

Still, Wellber no Monogatari is a very enjoyable series that seriously doesn’t deserve the negligence that it’s currently getting. It’ll keep you entertained with its dynamic characters and storyline, and not to mention that it’s got some pretty impressive production-values. Both the music, but especially the visuals are very pleasing to the senses, so if you can excuse a storytelling error once in a while, then you could give this one a chance.

Posted on with categories: Wellber no Monogatari ~ Sisters of Wellber


Ah, that’s what I like to see: an excellent climax. The fight against Greedam is well wrapped up, with all the deaths that happened in the previous episode. Obviously, spoilers will follow after this paragraph. Let me just say before I start that the climax was awesome, though I’m afraid that the ending itself left things to be desired.

But first, Loden’s final moments were awesome. He basically sacrificed his own life to save Tina. After all, he was prepared to die anyway, to make up for the things he did all those years ago. What better way to go than to sacrifice yourself for the one whose life you ruined? The king of Wellber and the king of Greedam also settled their fight in a pretty interesting way, with Rita coming as a surprise saviour who actually makes sense. I was also shocked to find out that Tina nearly drowned on her way out of the ship, though thankfully she turned out to be just unconscious.

Well then, at this point, I was really happy with how things worked out. If the series ended like this, I would have been perfectly fine with it. Unfortunately, the aftermath left a lot to be desired. It’s jumbled mess of ideas that just came way too late in way too little time. Okay, I can understand that Tina would leave Rita. But apparently, the creators wanted to get the two of them back together a little too badly. It’s a shame that such a great series had to end un such a low note.

Posted on 19 March 2008 with categories: Wellber no Monogatari ~ Sisters of Wellber


Was that an awesome episode or not? It’s really great to see that the characters haven’t lost their sparks at all, and now that the story has set in, it’s really time for them to show how they’ve developed. Seriously, if you’re looking for a good fantasy-adventure, then Wellber no Monogatari is the way to go. It may start out mundane, but it just gets better and better.

And this episode is exactly the reason why I love strategies so much in anime. Strategies like these really allow the writers to play with their characters. Rita and her father end up together, going after the king of Wellber, Tina and Loden end up together, trying to sabotage the ship. Rita and her father quickly get captured, because their guards quickly die, and they find it too risky to keep fighting. In there, Rita gets separated from her father, but gets saved by Galahad, while her father tries to find out why the king of Greedam started acting so strange.

I must say that the reason was a pretty good one. It turns out that the king of Wellber and Greedam were twins, but Wellber’s king was found to be just a bit older, so he had to be the crown-prince. He always was treated better and more importantly, and didn’t even seem to realize how much this hurt the king of Greedam. Then, however, the king of Greedam was assigned to take care of Greedam, which turned out to be living hell at the time. It must have been extremely hard to get all things back together for the guy, and all this time, the king of Wellber, who never had to experience such hardships.

In the end, he turned out to be a spoiled brat. Not in the way that he acts arrogant to everyone, in fact, he is rather kind, but he’s almost too kind, and way too naive. He’s never really been through hell, to try and survive, which is why Loden would have made a good king.

And yes, I said “would” for a reason. The guy’s dead now, trying to protect Tina! It really seals her hatred towards him in an excellent way. And I must say that it has been developed really well. Right till the end, taking revenge was still on Tina’s mind, even though she knew that he was sorry about the things he did. Usually, anime is a tad too forgiving with revenges, and they’re quite often just forgotten (apart, obviously, from Jigoku Shoujo).

And to think that Galahad kicks the bucket in this episode as well! This really signifies that Wellber no Monogatari ~ Sisters of Wellber is about the “sisters” of Wellber, or Rita and Tina. And really, Galahad died like a man, and he never showed a sign of weakness in front of Rita.

Seriously, this is exactly what a final battle should be. All attention should not be directed to just the main characters; every character should play an important role, and it really helps if the side-characters are well-developed as well, like this series has done magnificently. Now all that’s left off is to end this series off nicely. There’s enough material for a decent climax, but the ending itself is always a whole different story.

Posted on 12 March 2008 with categories: Wellber no Monogatari ~ Sisters of Wellber


So, this basically was the “oh god we’re under attack and we will be screwed unless we do something RIGHT now”-episode. At the moment, I’m worrying about nearly every series that I’m watching whether or not it’ll be able to pull off a good ending or not, and Wellber no Monogatari has been the first series to remove these doubts. This episode was really good, and I’m pumped to see the finale!

Oh, and by the way: those who were put off by “the tank” will rejoice with this episode: Voljurac dies! Or he gets blown to unrepairable pieces, in any case. This again shows that this series isn’t afraid to kill off its characters, which really makes me wonder whether Loden will survive this series or not. Voljurac’s death wasn’t really extraordinarily sad, but it did serve as the perfect wake-up call for the other characters.

It’s an interesting royal family, by the way. Instead of hiding and retreating, they aim to infiltrate Greedam’s big battleship. Rita’s father does this to find out what the heck happened to the king of Greedom (hinting that we’ll indeed be seeing enough of the guy’s background in the final two episodes of this series), and Rita and Loden are both doing it to protect their kingdom.

I remember how the first season ended rather interestingly. It may not have been the most believable (two people taking down an entire castle), but it was fun nonetheless. That same kind of fun I detected in this episode, so I’ve got my hopes high for this ending.

Posted on 5 March 2008 with categories: Wellber no Monogatari ~ Sisters of Wellber


Seriously, was there ANY way for this episode not to turn out awesome? This episode finally shows how Tina tries to get revenge on the guy who killed her parents, and it’s nothing short of amazing! The graphics also shined more than ever as well. There was a bit of a problem when characters started whistling (that’s always been tricky to do), but apart from that, I just loved this episode.

It’s indeed like I thought: Rita’s brother did kill back then, but right now he’s still being haunted by those days, and is extremely sorry of what happened. Tina meanwhile has her obvious problems that she’s trying to kill both a prince and the brother of her best friend. What’s interesting is how at the end of the episode, she does shoot him, but her body simply refuses to aim well. It’s a bit of a pity that she was interrupted by Sherry with the message that Sangatras was about to attack, but then again I guess that the creators still need to use Rita’s brother for the upcoming war that will take place in the final three episodes of this series.

One thing that I do hope for in the final episodes is to get some much-needed background for the bad guys. This episode introduced quite a few new people, and not only that, but the king of Greedam also killed off the king of Sangatras. There are three episodes left, so the final episodes are promising to become totally awesome, but I do hope that the creators will be able to get in the development for these people, like they did so well for every other major character.

Posted on 27 February 2008 with categories: Wellber no Monogatari ~ Sisters of Wellber


This episode was mostly unspectacular, and just built up for the finale of this series. Basically, Rita and Tina arrive back at the castle of Wellber and are greeted back by Rita’s family. Galahad formally requests a wedding with Rita, and later he settles an old score with the knight, back from episode one. All in all, the chess-pieces were set right for the final four episodes of this series.

But it does promise to be an awesome finale! In the next episode, we finally get to see the confrontation between Tina and Rita’s brother (because yes: it’s now officially confirmed that he was the one who killed her parents). At this point, I have no idea what she’ll do. Just keep quiet about it in front of Rita? Brainlessly attack the guy? Give subtle hints? Talk things out? It’s all possible.

My guess is then that the final three episodes will deal with the upcoming war between Wellber, Sangatras and Greedam, or to be more precise: preventing it. Here too I wonder what kind of direction the creators will go with. There are still quite a lot of interesting possibilities for the war to turn out in three episodes, but for now they must make sure to build it up well, just like they did with the characters.

Posted on 20 February 2008 with categories: Wellber no Monogatari ~ Sisters of Wellber


An intermezzo. Wellber no Monogatari spends this one with the much-needed background story of Voljurac. It’s probably the least interesting episode of the second season so far, but then again, the second season was just that good, and a bit of background for a side-character can only work in the series’ advantage for the final episodes. He now feels more than just a random tank.

Basically, Voljurac breaks down, and he needs to be fixed. The only person that Voljurac knows who can do this thing is the guy who created him, or to be exact: the daughter of the guy who created him. Renaldo Vinci, thirty years ago, met with Voljurac when he was still a human. It indeed seems that in the end, he transferred Voljurac’s spirit into a tank he made, after the guy had been shot lethally. Basically, Renaldo once worked for the Kingdom of Wellber, but once his health deteriorated, he quit, though his superiors didn’t like this. Voljurac was sent to kill him, but the two of them became friendly too much, and Voljurac betrayed his superiors. As a thanks, he got shot to death.

This episode also answers a question that I’ve been having ever since Rita went undercover: are there more machines like him? In short: yes. Renaldo may be dead now, but his daughter hasn’t been standing still, and she’s created quite a company, producing all sorts of interesting machines. It would have been more interesting to see some of these machines actually on the street, but this is just a minor detail.

This makes me wonder… there’s one important character left who still misses background, apart from the obvious Rita’s brother, of course. Will Sherry also get an episode for herself? It would be quite interesting, but on the other hand, there are only five episodes left, and I don’t think that the creators can just waste another episode. Or will we perhaps get a third season? That would be quite interesting…

Posted on 13 February 2008 with categories: Wellber no Monogatari ~ Sisters of Wellber


Last week was about the second Shinigami Bee, so like expected, this episode returns back to the love-triangle between Rita, Tina and Galahad. And what an episode it is! Romance can either work in a show’s favour, or completely ruin it, but with Wellber no Monogatari, the result has become excellent.

Basically, Rita and Galahad are now officially a couple. Tina has finally decided to confess to Galahad, only to find out that he loves Rita. Rita meanwhile knew how Tina loved Galahad, so she turned down his confession two episodes ago. Because of this, Galahad feels like he’s breaking up both Rita and Tina, so he decides to leave. It’s a theme that this series has used more often. It’s a nice touch, seeing as you’re not entirely sure whether people will make up, or remain gone (in Jin’s case). In the end though, Tina finally realizes that she’s been standing between both Galahad and Rita, and Rita finally confesses to Galahad.

What’s also interesting is that we’re nowhere near the end of this series. Usually, things like these are saved for the final episodes, but right now, there are still six episodes left for this series, and enough time for the creators do further develop Rita’s and Galahad’s relationship. I think that this episode marked the end of the first half of the second season now, though, and I think that we can expect something entirely different for the second half, now that the love-problems in the main cast have been solved. The upcoming war should take a larger focus, just as Rita’s brother’s role.

Posted on 6 February 2008 with categories: Wellber no Monogatari ~ Sisters of Wellber


Haha, I knew it! The resemblance between the two just couldn’t be a coincidence. Major spoiler coming up ahead if you’ve been following the subs. Let me just say that Wellber no Monogatari has become amazing with its second half, and this episode was no exception. This one was fully focused at the plot, as Tina meets the second Shinigami Bee. He isn’t the one who killed Tina’s parents, but he does tell her where she can find the real murderer.

It’s in Wellber, which makes it almost certain that Rita’s brother indeed was once known as the third Shinigami Bee. Now that I mention it, Tina has never seen the guy, has she? I must say that the way that the creators handled this was very good. First they introduce the guy, and after that they keep dropping subtle hints that all point to the fact that Rita’s brother was the murderer. It’s so much better than when they saved the surprise for the last possible moment and went with a sudden revelation (Romeo and Juliet anyone?)

And those disguises! There are basically two rumours about the Shinigami Bee floating around, and Tina and Bergerac go and investigate the first one, while Rita and Galahad go for the second one. The latter two need a disguise for that in order to avoid suspicion, and both of them looked so awesome. Especially the sunglasses and new haircuts did it.

Posted on 30 January 2008 with categories: Wellber no Monogatari ~ Sisters of Wellber


So, this was clearly a building-up episode, but that doesn’t mean that it wasn’t an excellent one. I really can’t believe how well the second season has progressed thus far, and I’m loving every minute of it.

This episode was mainly meant to develop the love-triangle between Galahad, Rita and Tina, when Sherry gets sick and the group is forced to make a pause. It’s clear now that both Rita and Tina love Galahad, though Rita is the only one who finds out that Tina too has feelings for the guy. Because of that, when Galahad confesses to her, despite how he’s still lovesick from Jamill, Rita declines.

Meanwhile, in terms of politics this series has also progressed. The king of Greedom has finally created a peace-treaty between the kings of Wellber and Sangatras, but in the meantime, he has plans, along with the king of Sangatras to screw the king of Wellber over behind his back. Guernia may be dead, but his father is still alive. I’m wondering when we’ll see Rita’s brother again. After all, he’s number one on my list of “guys that could have killed Tina’s parents”, and at the same time, he probably won’t like it when he finds out the plans of Greedam and Sangatras.

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Animosh
It consistently looks good, and unlike so many other adaptations, the staff is taking their time instead of rushing through the source material. In the latest episode they even added stuff to flesh out a certain character, and most source readers seem to consider it an improvement!
Animosh
@Amagi: I'm actually pretty impressed with the slime anime. Sure, the story is nothing special, but I didn't expect it to be. As an adaptation, though, it has far exceeded my expectations: I expected a cheap ad for the LN/manga, but the staff is clearly putting a lot of love into this.
panda
Weirdly enough, I liked the character additions to Bleach even though I know that besides the initial two arcs and the Hueco Mundo arc they weren't as interesting.
>weren't as interesting
Okay it was a disaster but still.
panda
I kind of feel the same way about series adding shit tons of characters to the series. Especially when we know that they're not even going to show up as much later in the series. I had this problem with Fairy tail and a lot of other shounen manga.
Amagi
The only exceptions are series that had a bigger cast to begin with and exactly know what to do with them and give every single character specific, human traits. Kaze ga Tsuyoku or Bokura no are examples for that.
Amagi
Sad but not surprising that the Slime isekai is turning into another generic shitfest after a rather strong start. It should have been about Slime and the Dragon alone and those other isekaied humans later as well as world building I honestly can't care about the additions to the team at all. But it only proofs to me that series will always get worse the more characters are joining the team.
Kaiser-Eoghan
It does prompt me to read the manga.
Kaiser-Eoghan
Furryguy story got too many episodes. I surprisingly enjoyed the time travel one.
Kaiser-Eoghan
Hmmm, Phoneix, the 2004 series is the definition of a mixed bag, the first story gets gritty and bleak in a way that I liked but its the scifi stories I connect with best, the first one for its premise/set up and the second because the last part kind of hit me and seeing Rock, another Tezuka character cameoing in it was kinda cool.
Kaiser-Eoghan
Pluto will be something that'll definately hold up for me and i can see myself actually appreciating it more when I watch the eventual adaptation.
Kaiser-Eoghan
I guess I'm reading Adolf then after watching the phoenix anime.
Kaiser-Eoghan
I'm thinking more along the lines of wanting a full kare kano adaptation.
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Anon: And I'm not sure if my tastes would be the same now.
Anonymous3115199
Hope it gets a decent episode count that does it justice. Can't imagine it being another rushed 1 episode per volume adaptation.
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Anon: But I'm not sure if I'll catch the remake.I've already read the manga twice years ago and seen the original anime twice aswell.
Anonymous3115199
Fruits Basket. Now that's a name I've not heard in a long time. And it's a getting a remake next year that covers the whole manga.
Kaiser-Eoghan
I am old enough to remember watching 2 episodes of mysterious cities of Gold and one of battle of the planets aswell as the 90s gigantor.
Kaiser-Eoghan
I happy to see studios finally going back to adapt stuff that deserves adapting.
Kaiser-Eoghan
I have also read angel no oka. Still haven't read Adolf or dororo.
Amagi
I can't wait for the Pluto anime (that was announced like a year ago?).
Kaiser-Eoghan
I won't spoil it, but MW had one cheeky ending that I loved.
Amagi
Well it pretty much is a ripoff of Kimba, I once thought people were joking until acrually googled it. Simba was even meant to be called Kimba at first IIRC.
Kaiser-Eoghan
A manga adaptation of mein kampf exists.
Kaiser-Eoghan
I used to joking argue with people when I was younger online about Disney ripping off Kimba.
Kaiser-Eoghan
I've seen all the black Jack stuff, metropolis, I also read Book of human insects, Ayako, apollos song, MW, princess knight and some of ode to kirihito .
Amagi
I wish someone would animate Adolf one day. Or a proper adaption of Buddha.
Kaiser-Eoghan
I bring this up because somebody mentioned Phoenix when talking about Spirit circle.
Kaiser-Eoghan
I must confess to my eternal shame I have never seen Osamu Tezuka's phoenix apart from that one episode with the guy hallucinating that the robot girl was human.
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Lenlo: Ah, to be more specific I meant in general.
Lenlo
Im with ya. If your talking about my comment on Ash's breakdown, im not saying I would have prefered to see it. I just think it did its job of disturbing the viewer well.
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Lenlo: I would rather the characters speak explicitly of certain things in banana fish, sometimes seeing everything isn't neccesary.
Kaiser-Eoghan
Perhaps we should race Yagate and Irozuku, see who's faster.
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Niello: I've had it on hold for about 3 episodes , I'm waiting to see if it does anything before continuing, pretty show tho'.
Niello
It already passed the half way point but nothing happens in irozuku...nothing.
Amagi
Yeah I jsut read it in the thread. I love grandpa.
Kaiser-Eoghan
Seems like a big moment in Chi no Wadachi.
Kaiser-Eoghan
Someone is uploading translated pages of the new beastars chapter on 4chan.
Kaiser-Eoghan
I am behind on some shows, I'm not uptodate with Irozuku or Yagate.
Kaiser-Eoghan
More specifically, I would like a whole side story about old dude and lizard dude before they met Goblin slayer. Also later part of this episode was stressful, such as Priestess bit. I also like that this show isn't afraid to have its MC get their ass kicked.
Kaiser-Eoghan
There was an anime called ristorante paradiso where all the dudes were old.
Amagi
That reminds me that there actually exists an otome'ish pub VN in which every guy is older than 40. Well I have to admit it's at least setting itself apart from the dozens of male j-rock/pop bishounen harem guys VNs out there. Same with that Pigeon otome VN (yes it's actual pigeons).
Kaiser-Eoghan
Goodness, we could have a reverse harem anime called Amagi-san and the 7 battling ojisans =P
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Amagi: I wish the geezer in Goblin slayer would have more to do.
Kaiser-Eoghan
Interesting how I hate certain genres, but when they're put through an exploitation lens I end up liking the genre, probably because it shits all over said genres while cutting out the boring parts.
Amagi
Yeah, same here. I also like it when stories are more mixed regarding age, general look, gender and such which is especially a problem in anime where you usually get 10 characters of the same gender, age and body type. Bonus if it's an idol show and they even have samefaces.
Kaiser-Eoghan
Of course these adult characters can exist outside of a fantasy and also be more relatable to me now, which is also a good thing, in a more serious story.
Kaiser-Eoghan
Alot of this has to do with getting older and being aware of that fact, knowing theres a 30/40 something able to do stuff I can't.
Kaiser-Eoghan
I would welcome an age of pensioner-ploitation films.
Amagi
I always enjoyed movies with old guys for example. Not only that, but I usually like it. For various reasons like the stories they have to tell, the nearing death (for very old ones) or a midlife crisis but welp, these movies were common 40 years ago, now it's teens and young adults since these are the demographies that are most likely willing to pay for the cinema or to buy merch.
Amagi
Yeah same here. Modern hollywood movies are way more mainstream than old ones and try to be the lowest common denominator with the most common tropes and stereotypical characters so unless you have more or less the most common taste and way of thinking for whatever reason you won't enjoy it and only get even more bored with every new movie that just feels like the 1000 movies before that.
Kaiser-Eoghan
Wheras I'd delight in anything left field or out of the box, because I love being constantly buzzed or surprised or seeing something do something uncompromising or weird.
Kaiser-Eoghan
*sense of
Kaiser-Eoghan
But I understand that people feel belittled when they watch something they can't make traditional sense or or morally work out .
Kaiser-Eoghan
But I've accepted that the stuff I really really like is going to be alien to a majority. I'd watch a lurid ova or b movie over any popular shounen or most post 80s hollywood films.
Kaiser-Eoghan
There would have been a time where I'd thought I was doing it wrong or that people would just think me some kind of hipster or contrarian for not liking popular/mainstream stuff/what everyone in the same room/site likes.
Amagi
Same with movies. I guess in the end it's always about being able to relate. If there is a strange character only certain people can relate to they'll enjoy it while everyone else falls asleep and vice versa with more typical characters. Hell I have seen a ton of non-stop action movies that literally put me to sleep because there was nothing for me to root for nor any great twists to expect.
Amagi
It's strange but whenever people hate a series for being too boring it turns out to be a series I like which is weird because I consider 80% of all existing series boring, including many series most people actually consider exciting and/or enjoyable as hell.
Kaiser-Eoghan
I remember there was a devil may cry anime, the guy subbing it didn't do a very good job but it was an okay extended advert for the game.
Lenlo
The man has also said that if someone would get him the rights to Berserk, he would do that to.
Animosh
Well, you still deserve credit for suggesting the series, because otherwise I wouldn't have even known it existed. :) But yeah, I like that people here are so open-minded. Anime is great and all, but there's plenty to discover outside of it (though to be fair, I'm lagging behind with many of them: following anime seasonally is great for discussion, but it can eat up a lot of time).
SuperMario
@Animosh: don't mention it. I'm glad you enjoy it. I don't take credits in this case since I myself haven't watched it yet. I love it how this community is willing to try other medium and not exclusively anime
Animosh
Really surprised this isn't more well known. Not that there's been much competition, but it's easily the best (western) cartoon I've seen this year.
Animosh
@SuperMario: thanks again for recommending Lastman! I just finished it, and it was a lot of fun. It doesn't have much depth, but it was incredibly entertaining: it just keeps throwing these bizarrely over the top action set-pieces at you without pausing, it oozes style, and its soundtrack is killer (it reminded me a bit of Hotline Miami). And it can be pretty damn funny too. It even ends strongly.
SuperMario
"I swear if I see some nonsense like her not being able to stay “Professional” due to having a boyfriend then I will have to strangle something" --> is that why you had screenshot of kitties up there?
SuperMario
@Kaiser: little sister has a strong chance to be a protag in the last arc. I'm genuinely surprised that Futaba is the main girl in this arc thou
Kaiser-Eoghan
I want to see the little sister looking scared in bunnygirl agrain.
Kaiser-Eoghan
Yay! Sing and eiji are doing something and Ash's freakout while melodramtic and ridiculous was still bleak, learn a bit more about Blanca which is good. Didn't like the goofy bit with yut-lung.
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Mario: Not intellectually non-intellectual enough for me.
Kaiser-Eoghan
Bunny-girl has redeemed itself. Also my favourite part of this weeks episode was 7 or 8 minutes before the end .
SuperMario
I mean, just reading that title alone I might check out what this movie is about. lol
SuperMario
Well, I come across an unusual film title today. A Japanese film called "When I Get Home, My Wife Always Pretends to be Dead"
Kaiser-Eoghan
The Lafalle arc (as thematically I probably engaged the most here)and the final arc both elevated this series for me, even though I did enjoy the bit with Vann early on.
I’ve heard people don’t like the ending it hit with me.
Really solid.
Kaiser-Eoghan
Dramatically this even kind of clicked for me and the antagonist surprised me as did twintails girl and bestghosts eventual roles, comedy isn’t exactly funny but I did laugh at points.
Kaiser-Eoghan
Apparently I got third time lucky with Mizukami, because I found this a very fresh take on the re-incarnation genre while actually DOING something worthwhile with it, his pacing/story telling style definitely feels a better fit to me in a short manga like this.
Kaiser-Eoghan
After a degree of indifference to planet with and only liking Biscuit hammers last arc, I ended up approaching Spirit circle expecting to not really have any opinion on it.
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Mario: Just my kind of weird.
Anonymous3093267
sword eyes
SuperMario
Here's another experimental animated short for you, Kaiser, Tango (1981) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lo8O8lYDzIU
SuperMario
@Animosh: yeah the second part was released in VOD earlier this year and I watched it. Prefer the 1st one much better
Vonter
I don't know why, but I thought you were talking about Tomorrowland. That Disney movie that bombed and everyone seemed very lukewarm about. I suppose because I don't know exactly what was the problem with it, didn't see much discussion about it.
Animosh
@SuperMario: I think I've seen World of Tomorrow, but not 100% sure. There's apparently a second part out though, and I definitely haven't seen that!
Animosh
And Umfeld (https://vimeo.com/umfeld) is also worth mentioning. It kind of consists of shorts, it's technically animated (at least in part: it mixes real footage and CGI I think?), and it's definitely weird. It's a very polarizing work though. I love it, but it wouldn't surprise me if most people here hate it.
Animosh
Some other things that came to mind: Tim Burton's "Vincent" (it's stop-motion, but whatever), Loom (https://vimeo.com/24069938) and E-Baby (https://vimeo.com/25435555). And the stop-motion shorts by Lee Hardcastle are pretty fun, if you're in the mood for some needlessly disgusting horror.
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Mario: I enjoyed embrace of the serpent which has the same director as Birds of passage so I'll keep an eye out for it.
SuperMario
@Kaiser: I'm going to see Roma and Birds of Passage this weekend. Really excited for both
Kaiser-Eoghan
As for the she-ra thing well, as I've gotten older I probably have avoided kids stuff more.
Kaiser-Eoghan
I don't want to see tokenism being seen as acceptance when it isn't, it feels that people are putting forth the idea that something is only being/can be accepted because its being portrayed in a tokenistic way.
Kaiser-Eoghan
Its fine, obviously to have strong female characters, Ripley in Alien, Sarah Conner in Terminator, awesome....Rey in star wars....no.
Kaiser-Eoghan
I think too often shows and films, American ones today, are tokenistic or clicheed with inserting issues, merely just throwing them in or tacking them on for the sake of ticking boxes rather than any earnesty or doing anything.
Anonymous3086853
@SuperMario - I do. Yet at the same time it was a bit outside of my comfort zone, watching something like this considering that (let's be honest) msot shows are men oriented. Even the ones with great female characters. This one despite having tomboyish girls is mainly about these girls with male characters having supporting roles. I suppose that's were the uneasiness lies in my case.
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Mario: Just got done watching both earlier, his dark humour jives well with me and I liked the concept.
SuperMario
@Kaiser @Animosh: if you haven't seen World of Tomorrow plsssss check it out. I can't recommend it highly enough
SuperMario
@Vonter: Maybe it's a good things that shows for general audiences like this have queer context. Don't you think?
Anonymous3086853
Also because I'm a bit immature, this show is kinda gay. There's a lot of ship baiting moments, one same sex couple in the last episode and rainbows, pastel colors, emasculated male characters and some female crossdressing.
Anonymous3086853
The weakest aspect is that several secondary characters get lost in the shuffle. Kinda like Big Hero 6 in which the team had personalities but just didn't had the time to develop in any meaningful way. Still both the main cast and villains were good and like I say the protagonist and antagonist had strong arcs for a first season.
Anonymous3086853
So I now finished watching She Ra, and it got even better as it was building towards the season's end. Thes strongest aspect is the rivalry between Adora and Catra, the chemistry is very strong, kinda like Optimus and Megatron or Xavier and Magneto. In which both parts seem equally capable and to have mind games with the other.
Kaiser-Eoghan
Oh hey cool, rain town is done by the Penguin hhighway anime movie guy.
Kaiser-Eoghan
It looks like I haven't seen Don Hertzfedlts World of tomorrow films.
Kaiser-Eoghan
Also Prince Achmed and How Wang-Fo Was Saved.
Kaiser-Eoghan
Ah. yes, thanks animosh, I had a look at Rain town there, I like the style it was done in, it achieves the emotions its trying to convey well without needing dialogue, piano score actually helps rather than hinders.
Kaiser-Eoghan
Glassy ocean, that was another short I watched lately.
Kaiser-Eoghan
Oh inka isha is country doctor.
Kaiser-Eoghan
I know Mario has seen this style on animation, but anyone else see any oil on glass animation?
Kaiser-Eoghan
I actually prefer robot carnival to genius party but liked both.
Kaiser-Eoghan
Zepo, The Pride of Strathmoor were recent animated shorts I watched.
Kaiser-Eoghan
Recently I watched two shorts, death and the mother and pleasures of war.
Kaiser-Eoghan
I'd say any eastern european short films would be worth anyones time.
Kaiser-Eoghan
I'm not familiar with rain town or Inaka Isha .
Amagi
Kaiser: Have you seen Inaka Isha from Kafka?
Animosh
In the meanwhile, though, I'd also be very interested in recommendations! The shorts I mentioned are among my favorite animated works, so if you know anything similar, please let me know. :)
Animosh
For western animation I really like the Don Hertzfeldt shorts. And there was this short called "Rain Town" that was really impressively animated. I'm sure there were others, but my long-term memory is pretty lousy. If something else comes to mind I'll let you know.
Animosh
I'm pretty sure you're already going to be familiar with all of my favorites, but here you go: Morimoto's shorts are all fantastic (Dimension Bomb, Beyond, Noiseman Sound Insect, etc), and two others that come to mind are Cat Soup and Kigeki (or Comedy) by Nakazawa. There are also some great collections out there (like the Genius Party ones), but again, you've probably seen those already.
Kaiser-Eoghan
If anyone has any suggestions for weird short animations, I'm looking for excuses to watch some more and I'm in the mood for them.
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Masky: Mario's youtube link had cgi models of rem and ram in the video.
Masky
I'm confused when was Rem even mentioned
Kaiser-Eoghan
I only ever watched he-man and stuff related to it in passing when I was younger, Conan was more my thing back then.
Kaiser-Eoghan
For so long I'd always referred to she-ra as she-man.
AidanAK47
@Mario, What is this heresy!
....
....Rems always cute.
Anonymous3084910
Hilda is fine, though is very laidback kinda like a young reader's novel. It has its moments but its fantasy with slice-of-life coming of age.
Anonymous3084910
@SuperMario Yeah I know, She Ra is the twin sister of He Man. But strangely it seems Dreamworks may not have the right to those characters. It was a marketing idea trying to bring more girls to that universe but like most girls show from the time it had a very flat depiction of what little girls want to see.
SuperMario
Sorry Aidan, I know it's blasphemy but I have to post here. Enjoy the OP song with the twins https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v9MUjISNm0U&index=4&list=PLU56jBSlcHw8-ol9Hi4lJ0GR0tU6EOf2a
SuperMario
I'll probably check out Hilda. Heard a lot of hypes about that show
SuperMario
@Vonter: I've heard of She-Ra, she's the female counterpart (well, sister) of He-Man (the most powerful man in the universe and the secret identity of Prince Adam). Sounds silly but I'm not even kidding
Vonter
All in all, despite not being a big thing, I think is an enjoyable recommendation. My only nitpick is that it maybe too light hearted for some kinda like above My Little Pony but below something Voltron. Also despite being less childish than the original is still kinda of girly with lots of pastel colors although it balances it a bit having girls being more tomboyish in different degrees.
Vonter
Like with Voltron it amuses me seeing anime tropes being played through western lens. Since I'm a bit hesitant to say that could this count as a harem series despite not being male gaze moments? Also having the most sensible hotspring episode I've seen.
Vonter
In this one this She Ra has pathos. A bit like Korra there's doubt in her role and also a complicated relationship with her rival. I do like the role reversal in the knight's tale this clearly is, in that most roles that would be played by men are played by women in this story. Matriarchy, displacement of both femminine beauty but also empowerment.
Vonter
So I've watched some of the new She Ra from Netflix. So far I'm in, it's not deep but it's quite charismatic. I do like there's more pathos in regards to these characters which pretty much were confined to their archetype to an extreme like the original Power Rangers.
Kaiser-Eoghan
It manages to make watching something like running engaging, when I'd otherwise probably not watch the sport. Also, last week the show ended up popping into my head when I was sitting around doing pretty much nothing and made me think "Ok fuck it, not sitting around doing nothing, going to go out for a run around the block"
Lenlo
I also agree, characters losing in sports is important. They can't start at the top, it makes the series lose meaning
Lenlo
I quite enjoyed Kaze Fui this week. I think your correct that the one who got the reality check was Kurahara, who thought he was the only one able to actually make it. I also thing that he has a competitive streak a mile wide, and might be a little afraid of failure. Doesnt think the team can make it, so why bother
Kaiser-Eoghan
Think I wasn't i the mood for honda-san this week even though I laughed.
Kaiser-Eoghan
Y'know I like it when sports series actually show the characters you know...actually lose.
Anonymous3083989
Huh, interesting in this episode of Kaze ga that it's Kakeru who got a reality check during the track meet since he was beaten by two other runners. I think we're due for an episode soon where he has to confront his past demons instead of fleeing from them.
Anonymous3083626
@Kaiser-Eoghan - Aging in fiction, I think has more to do with the story than the characters. I mean the jokes about Ash Ketchum, Detective Conan, Archie. The Flinstones tried to make different stories by aging Pebbles and Bam Bam. Or Batman having two Robins graduating into their own heroes. But in the end dynamics change, hence why most cartoons don't age the characters.
Kaiser-Eoghan
Which is why when aging does occur in anime/manga, such as in vinland saga or nanoha for example, its appreciated.
Kaiser-Eoghan
And of course, animated characters often don't age much.
Kaiser-Eoghan
I can remember enjoying the simpsons movie back when I watched it, but thinking about it it really was just an extended episode. Really the show peaked with the who shot Mr Burns episode. Catching bits of recent episodes and seeing them use modern stuff while they never age seems weird too.
Amagi
I do think series are allowed to move forward though, I am kinda interested in the Pkmn movie for example. But certain shows should just end, Simpsons for example was a parody of the 90s, it just can't work in a more modern setting IMO.
Amagi
I stopped with the Simpsons when Maude was killed/died, it was just a step in the wrong direction they should have never done and it killed the series for me. I disliked it before already though, I think I noticed the series getting worse since season..9? Or 10, not sure anymore.
Amagi
Anime for Dorohedoro announced.
Kaiser-Eoghan
Therefore ruining the fanservice fun for everybody.
Kaiser-Eoghan
My favourite beach episodes are ones where it rains and they end up not being able to go.
Kaiser-Eoghan
After that it was just the film for me.
Kaiser-Eoghan
Actually, regarding the simpsons, the episode I stopped on was sometime in the early 2000s, Homer was stuck on some island resort or something.
Kaiser-Eoghan
I suppose it was just as much a case of falling out of watching/playing too and then there being so many episodes/games catchup was impossible. I probably should read the manga someday.
Anonymous3081957
@Kaiser-Eoghan -Kinda like Sponge Bob, Power Rangers or The Simpsons, I can't blame those who move forward, It's imposible for a show to go that long without losing steam. I did check the Sun and Moon first season and while I think the personality and energy is better it doesn't exactly push the concept forward. Still somehow Pokemon is still a phenomenon.
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